Now they are throwing people in Jail for being in debt

[Neutron]

http://www.startribune.com/local/95692619.html

In jail for being in debt

Glen Stubbe, Star Tribune


Deborah Poplawski still gets angry about her arrest in Minneapolis last year over an old $250 debt. During her night in jail, she worried about abandoning her 15-year-old dog, Nina, in her apartment.

You committed no crime, but an officer is knocking on your door. More Minnesotans are surprised to find themselves being locked up over debts.
By CHRIS SERRES and GLENN HOWATT , Star Tribune staff writers
Last update: June 9, 2010 - 7:58 AM


As a sheriff's deputy dumped the contents of Joy Uhlmeyer's purse into a sealed bag, she begged to know why she had just been arrested while driving home to Richfield after an Easter visit with her elderly mother.
No one had an answer. Uhlmeyer spent a sleepless night in a frigid Anoka County holding cell, her hands tucked under her armpits for warmth. Then, handcuffed in a squad car, she was taken to downtown Minneapolis for booking. Finally, after 16 hours in limbo, jail officials fingerprinted Uhlmeyer and explained her offense -- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt. "They have no right to do this to me," said the 57-year-old patient care advocate, her voice as soft as a whisper. "Not for a stupid credit card."
It's not a crime to owe money, and debtors' prisons were abolished in the United States in the 19th century. But people are routinely being thrown in jail for failing to pay debts. In Minnesota, which has some of the most creditor-friendly laws in the country, the use of arrest warrants against debtors has jumped 60 percent over the past four years, with 845 cases in 2009, a Star Tribune analysis of state court data has found.

ALEX should be reporting on this

[agentbluescreen]

GREAT!

They can start with the US "Defense" Appropriations Committees.

But seriously she was arrested on a bench warrant for Failure to Appear, which is akin to Contempt of Court = the reason is irrelevant

[Freeski]

Technically, it looks like they got her for failing to appear in court, not for being in debt per se.

Still, what a great idea: get everyone in debt and then round them up!

[agentbluescreen]

Technically, it looks like they got her for failing to appear in court, not for being in debt per se.

Still, what a great idea: get everyone in debt and then round them up!

Yeah don't they wish!  This propaganda-hit headline is conditioning for the kindly-bankster "bread line" FEMA CAMPS though, make no mistake about that.

[Damascus]

post from another forum(not mine):

   
I'm a Constable in MA. I don't know every state's laws, but most are probably similar.

- You default on paying a bill, company files in Small Claims Court, gets a judgment against you. If you fail to pay the judgment or show up in court, a Capias (arrest warrant) can be issued by the judge.

- It is basically a "contempt of court" warrant, as you ignored the judge's order to pay.

- They are served by Constables or Deputy Sheriffs all the time and the arrests are valid. Yes, you can be thrown in jail until you pay up . . . all of that is at the discretion of the judge once you are hauled in.
Unscrupulous collection agencies buy these bad debts for pennies on the dollar, purposely serve the legal notices at prior addresses, then arrest when the person defaults. Add tons of fees to their claim and your recourse is nil/minimal.

There is the "Sailors and Soldiers Act" that protects active duty service personnel from attachments and warrants. So if he was "served" when he was on active duty, he can have the judge toss it. He'll still owe what he owes, but should get a chance to pay up and clear his good name.

Good luck.

P.S. For some of the above reasons (and others), I refuse to serve arrest warrants on Small Claims Court cases. I do make arrests for probate matters (deadbeat dads), however.

[Overcast]

And thus, debtors prison returns.

Only something to be 'expected' as this tyranny grows. If not just yet, this will start to slowly open that door.
But of course, as more corporations control the government, it only stands to reason this will happen.

[Valerius]

I've been a warning about this on other forums for a long time.

[Dig]

Technically, it looks like they got her for failing to appear in court, not for being in debt per se.

Still, what a great idea: get everyone in debt and then round them up!

Why did she have to appear in court in the first place?

What did she do to warrant her being called to court?

[Freeski]

Why did she have to appear in court in the first place?

What did she do to warrant her being called to court?

-- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt.

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If I paint your house and you fail to pay me as per our agreement, then I sue you for payment but you fail to show up for court to defend your position, what's left for a legitimate creditor to do?

I suspect you might have another angle, though?

[Dig]

-- missing a court hearing over an unpaid debt.

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If I paint your house and you fail to pay me as per our agreement, then I sue you for payment but you fail to show up for court to defend your position, what's left for a legitimate creditor to do?

I suspect you might have another angle, though?

lien on the house, you cannot sell it unless the lien is removed. what is the recourse if i give you a deposit and you never paint my house? do you go to jail? no, it is a lien on the company, BBB, etc. people are not supposed to go to jail because of a payment.

also, your analogy is kind of bullshit because this was a credit card debt. in other words, an actual bona fide result of the banksters fraud in America. this was not a legitimate local vendor (although that is always how the analogies get put in). This is a direct result of the planned, staged, and manipulated control of the US population and their offspring into the debt slavery system.

[Geolibertarian]

also, your analogy is kind of bullshit because this was a credit card debt. in other words, an actual bona fide result of the banksters fraud in America. this was not a legitimate local vendor (although that is always how the analogies get put in). This is a direct result of the planned, staged, and manipulated control of the US population and their offspring into the debt slavery system.

Nail head, meet hammer.



We must stop letting Rockefeller-funded schools of "thought" fool the Tea Party movement into blaming the victims of economic terrorism rather than the terrorists themselves!

[Freeski]

lien on the house, you cannot sell it unless the lien is removed. what is the recourse if i give you a deposit and you never paint my house? do you go to jail? no, it is a lien on the company, BBB, etc. people are not supposed to go to jail because of a payment.

also, your analogy is kind of bullshit because this was a credit card debt. in other words, an actual bona fide result of the banksters fraud in America. this was not a legitimate local vendor (although that is always how the analogies get put in). This is a direct result of the planned, staged, and manipulated control of the US population and their offspring into the debt slavery system.

Good point on the lien. I hadn't thought about that.

[rawiron1]

They do have a right to do it to you.  You signed a contract to pay a debt.  You then skipped a court date.  I got to pay my damn bills lady and my ass has to go to court when summoned so your but should have to as well!

Where she effed up was skipping the court date.  She should have gone to court and said hey judge, I am broke and can't pay the bill, I need to work out a payment plan or something.

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

Jason

PS UPDATE: When I was a deputy sheriff I saw people dragged into court all the time for unpaid bills.  And most of them got off easy or off all together but they showed up for the court date!  What the hell do you think is going to happen when you skip a court date or run from the police?!?  Use your brains fluoride heads!  Go into a pro-boxing match and kick the other guy in the balls 6 times and see what happens.  Don't bitch when they toss you out of the ring and give the match to the guy you just kicked.  Rules are part of life.  And when you break the rules gee ya think there might be a price to pay?

[jeremystalked1]

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

Jason

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
   - Anatole France

[jeremystalked1]

Unscrupulous collection agencies buy these bad debts for pennies on the dollar, purposely serve the legal notices at prior addresses, then arrest when the person defaults. Add tons of fees to their claim and your recourse is nil/minimal.

Clearly, it's the debtor's fault for not knowing the collection agencies would do these things.

[Dig]

They do have a right to do it to you.  You signed a contract to pay a debt.  You then skipped a court date.  I got to pay my damn bills lady and my ass has to go to court when summoned so your but should have to as well!

Where she effed up was skipping the court date.  She should have gone to court and said hey judge, I am broke and can't pay the bill, I need to work out a payment plan or something.

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

Jason

PS UPDATE: When I was a deputy sheriff I saw people dragged into court all the time for unpaid bills.  And most of them got off easy or off all together but they showed up for the court date!  What the hell do you think is going to happen when you skip a court date or run from the police?!?  Use your brains fluoride heads!  Go into a pro-boxing match and kick the other guy in the balls 6 times and see what happens.  Don't bitch when they toss you out of the ring and give the match to the guy you just kicked.  Rules are part of life.  And when you break the rules gee ya think there might be a price to pay?

Credit Card debt and the debt by the banking cartel is illegal. It is fraud, on its face it is fraud. If you are such a pillar of blind justice why are you defending the rapist and targeting the victims of this institutionalized rape of wealth.

If what you are saying is true and the law is the law, then why is Lloyd Blankfein a free man?

I still do not understand, why did she have to appear in court for an outstanding debt. What is the justification?

Of course the "kicking the guy in the nuts" analogy is pretty amazing.

How about this analogy...every person born in this country is $200,000 in debt. Why aren't we just born in prison?

[Dig]

"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
   - Anatole France

If anyone has not waken up to the dual justice system in this country, let me give you a hint...

Exterminate 1.5 million human beings...Get $100 Billion in unmarked bills to throw a big party and get your own library.

Get a $250 debt due to mass mind control, insane 24/7 blitzkrieg of peer pressure and tax-funded institutionalized fraud of our entire financial system...GO TO JAIL!

Yeah, be all mighty and cool about debt slavery. Even former Senator Mike Gravel told it like it is:

http://www.progressnowcolorado.org/page/community/post/michaelcollins/CqSp
"After [the National Initiative] had done a conference, raised some money for that, didn't have enough money, I started using credit cards. I had about five, six credit cards. So when I really had a bad year healthwise, there was concern about my wife, because she might be liable for what had occurred, and it was all done for the National Initiative. And she said, 'Well, maybe you should think about bankruptcy.'" Gravel had watched one of his business concerns go bankrupt two decades before. "I had been there. I didn't want to mess with that again. And then I thought about it: 'My God, isn't this interesting? I'm going to get these six credit card companies who have been predators on normal people. I'm going to get them to contribute to the National Initiative.' And I filed bankruptcy just in a heartbeat, and that was it."

"It will really disturb people on Wall Street," he says, "when they see the president of the United States is less well-off economically than Harry Truman. I'm my own man."


Goldman Sachs has stolen over $28 Trillion in less than a year.

NOT ONE OF THEM IS IN JAIL!

Is this a joke?

[Dig]

Clearly, it's the debtor's fault for not knowing the collection agencies would do these things.

I have no idea what country you guys think this is, but there is no jail for credit card debt, this is a total perversion of logic. It is like saying if you jaywalked you should be sent to Gitmo... "It is his fault for not reading the sign".

If you have an unpaid credit card, unsecured debt, there is limited recourse that a creditor has to pursue the debt. Throwing your ass in jail is not one of them.

WTF?

[Dig]

I will agree with you guys when this happens:

[jeremystalked1]

I have no idea what country you guys think this is, but there is no jail for credit card debt, this is a total perversion of logic. It is like saying if you jaywalked you should be sent to Gitmo... "It is his fault for not reading the sign".

If you have an unpaid credit card, unsecured debt, there is limited recourse that a creditor has to pursue the debt. Throwing your ass in jail is not one of them.

WTF?

Dunno if you were directing that remark at me... I was channeling the superhero Sarcastro, just so y'know.

[TheProxy]

You legally can't be jailed for debt. (depending on what its for) it's constitutional. :p

[Valerius]

They do have a right to do it to you.  You signed a contract to pay a debt.  You then skipped a court date.  I got to pay my damn bills lady and my ass has to go to court when summoned so your but should have to as well!

Where she effed up was skipping the court date.  She should have gone to court and said hey judge, I am broke and can't pay the bill, I need to work out a payment plan or something.

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

Jason

PS UPDATE: When I was a deputy sheriff I saw people dragged into court all the time for unpaid bills.  And most of them got off easy or off all together but they showed up for the court date!  What the hell do you think is going to happen when you skip a court date or run from the police?!?  Use your brains fluoride heads!  Go into a pro-boxing match and kick the other guy in the balls 6 times and see what happens.  Don't bitch when they toss you out of the ring and give the match to the guy you just kicked.  Rules are part of life.  And when you break the rules gee ya think there might be a price to pay?

Say, when is Mr. Rove going to get one of these deals for that Congressional subpoena several years old now?

[Damascus]

Like my previous illustration proved. It is up to the judges discretion(selective enforcement) weather you sped time in jail for contempt of court(also discretion) for not showing up to a court date that you did not even know about. This is entirely entrapment, and you do not even have to be present!

[d0rn]

"Respect my authoritah!" - Eric Cartman.

[al0152]

They do have a right to do it to you.  You signed a contract to pay a debt.  You then skipped a court date.  I got to pay my damn bills lady and my ass has to go to court when summoned so your but should have to as well!

Where she effed up was skipping the court date.  She should have gone to court and said hey judge, I am broke and can't pay the bill, I need to work out a payment plan or something.

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

Jason

PS UPDATE: When I was a deputy sheriff I saw people dragged into court all the time for unpaid bills.  And most of them got off easy or off all together but they showed up for the court date!  What the hell do you think is going to happen when you skip a court date or run from the police?!?  Use your brains fluoride heads!  Go into a pro-boxing match and kick the other guy in the balls 6 times and see what happens.  Don't bitch when they toss you out of the ring and give the match to the guy you just kicked.  Rules are part of life.  And when you break the rules gee ya think there might be a price to pay?

I completely agree with you here rawiron.

[Geolibertarian]

They do have a right to do it to you.

They have the legal power, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have the moral right.

You signed a contract to pay a debt

As I've already explained to you, all of the so-called "money" that is owed to private banks never existed in the first place. Consequently, these banks are guilty of not providing lawful consideration for any of the collateral-backed IOUs they accepted from borrowers in exchange for this non-existent "money" -- and are hence guilty of fraud:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg581249#msg581249

But since it's soooo much more emotionally gratifying and soothing to the ego to blame the victims of economic terrorism instead of the terrorists themselves, you and others continue to blatantly ignore this fact.

The rule of law applies to everyone even if you are a yuppie, poor, Black, etc.

That was precisely the excuse that was used to morally justify returning runaway chattel slaves to their rightful "owners." Did that make chattel slavery itself any less wrong? If not, why not?

I think the following quote says it all:

"That which is not just, is not Law; and that which is not Law, ought not to be obeyed." -- Algernon Sydney

[jaycee]

PS UPDATE: When I was a deputy sheriff I saw people dragged into court all the time for unpaid bills.  And most of them got off easy or off all together but they showed up for the court date!  What the hell do you think is going to happen when you skip a court date or run from the police?!?  Use your brains fluoride heads!  Go into a pro-boxing match and kick the other guy in the balls 6 times and see what happens.  Don't bitch when they toss you out of the ring and give the match to the guy you just kicked.  Rules are part of life.  And when you break the rules gee ya think there might be a price to pay?

Then why are police not being arrested every time police do not show up for a court date?  The police are co-defendants with the city, county, or state.  The judge just decides in favor of the plaintiff but I have yet to see a cop get arrested for not showing up to a court date.

[Don Quixote]

They have the legal power, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have the moral right.

As I've already explained to you, all of the so-called "money" that is owed to private banks never existed in the first place. Consequently, these banks are guilty of not providing lawful consideration for any of the collateral-backed IOUs they accepted from borrowers in exchange for this non-existent "money" -- and are hence guilty of fraud:

       http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=98465.msg581249#msg581249

But since it's soooo much more emotionally gratifying and soothing to the ego to blame the victims of economic terrorism instead of the terrorists themselves, you and others continue to blatantly ignore this fact.

That was precisely the excuse that was used to morally justify returning runaway chattel slaves to their rightful "owners." Did that make chattel slavery itself any less wrong? If not, why not?

I think the following quote says it all:

"That which is not just, is not Law; and that which is not Law, ought not to be obeyed." -- Algernon Sydney

Brillant!!!

Question:  Is there a way we can find out state to state basis?  Where does one look?   Which states will throw you in jail?

[independentWV]

Brillant!!!

Question:  Is there a way we can find out state to state basis?  Where does one look?   Which states will throw you in jail?

Collection laws for each state
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs27plus.htm

[Freedom_Or_Death]

Credit Card debt and the debt by the banking cartel is illegal. It is fraud, on its face it is fraud.

I agree, however no one put a gun to her head and told her to get the card, or rack up a bill she was not able to pay for.  I think absolving her of any blame what so ever is wrong, and only goes to promote her type of behavior (spending money she can't afford to pay back)

[H0llyw00d]

"Respect my authoritah!" - Eric Cartman.

Its not debt...its the Great Ginger conspiracy!!!!

[Dig]

I agree, however no one put a gun to her head and told her to get the card, or rack up a bill she was not able to pay for.  I think absolving her of any blame what so ever is wrong, and only goes to promote her type of behavior (spending money she can't afford to pay back)

who is absolving her. like i said, a true justice system does not bestow unjust punishment. it is unsecured debt. the credit card fraud uses the fact that it is unsecured debt to charge usery rates.

instead of tagging a $250 debt on her report as has been done since the dawn of time, they are testing putting people in jail by colluding with local authorities.

This is feudalism, as plain as day. The banks own us, we are born with over $200K in debt. We are pummelled with mind control to take on more debt. We are pressured to not pay the minimum payments and to get into a 60-120 day late payment cycle.

In case you were not aware, banks like JP Morgan, Citi, BoA, and others make a shitload of money by keepiing people in arrears and tagging on late payments and other methods of increasing control. This is a fact. This is the IMF/World Bank strategy.

It is fraud, on its face.

So instead of accepting their already stolen loot of American wealth, now they are testing the unlawful jailing of people who have minor unsecured debt. It is tyranny, it can be smelled a mile away.

[Dig]

this is a $250 unsecured debt with a credit card...

have we gone mad?

99% of congress has over $100,000 in unpaid debt.

It is written off over and over again.

this is a class system, the top get more money while they rob the lower classes and whenever they like throw them in jail, or send them to fight in genocides, or put them into psych evals, or suicide them, or poison their water, or contaminate their food, or manipulate their car, or spy on their kids, or inject their kids with poison, or chemtrail their neighborhood, or fake terror attacks, or deplete their IRA/401K, or terminate their job, or put them through naked body scanners, or slander them, or intimidate their associates, etc. etc. etc.

this is simply one more way that the owners are saying: "WE OWN YOU, WE OWN EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU"

[Freedom_Or_Death]

I never said what happened to her was right.  It just seems as though with your tone, you are making her out to be the victim (which she is to an extent, but not because of something she didn't do)

[Dig]

I never said what happened to her was right.  It just seems as though with your tone, you are making her out to be the victim (which she is to an extent, but not because of something she didn't do)

the whole issue is that she was sent to jail. you cannot send people to jail for debt. illuminati used such insanity of overbearing and tyrannical sentencing of the mid to lower classes to help forment the french revolution (am i the only one who saw Les Miserables? well he stole a loaf of bread, but unjust punishment nonetheless)

[Satyagraha]

this is a $250 unsecured debt with a credit card...

...

this is a class system, the top get more money while they rob the lower classes ...

Yes indeed... and guys like Tom Daschle and Tim Geithner can skip paying income taxes, then get high-level government jobs.
And the 'unwashed masses' get jail time.

[Overcast]

Yes indeed... and guys like Tom Daschle and Tim Geithner can skip paying income taxes, then get high-level government jobs.
And the 'unwashed masses' get jail time.

That's the way it worked back in the Feudal days no doubt.
Funny - how electronic, medical, mechanical, and most every other type of technology progresses forward.

Yet - politics gets to a certain point and moves backwards. Until the tyrants are hanging in the streets - then it progresses again.

[Freedom_Or_Death]

the whole issue is that she was sent to jail. you cannot send people to jail for debt

If I read the article correct (and I believe I have), she wasn't sent to jail for debt.  She was sent to jail for failure to appear.

[Overcast]

If I read the article correct (and I believe I have), she wasn't sent to jail for debt.  She was sent to jail for failure to appear.

Go to court -- or jail

At 9:30 a.m. on a recent weekday morning, about a dozen people stood in line at the Hennepin County Government Center in Minneapolis.

Nearly all of them had received court judgments for not paying a delinquent debt. One by one, they stepped forward to fill out a two-page financial disclosure form that gives creditors the information they need to garnish money from their paychecks or bank accounts.

The above is from the article - and thus the problem:

ANY type of collections issue - should be simply a civil matter - not criminal. Civil matters; as far as I know, are always resolved just between the two parties with a judge to mediate. With a potential financial or other type of 'restitution' ordered to be paid.

But in no way should any of that - at all - be *criminal*. I mean, passing a bad check might be a different matter, of course - as you contractually agreed to pay the amount and it's against the criminal code in most states, if not all, to intentionally pass a bad check as it can be seen as an 'attempt to defraud' someone.

The most dangerous presidence this will set is a blurring of the civil and criminal liabilities. Next thing you know, you'll be serving time for talking bad about a corporation.

They can spin it how they want - it's still, in the end - going to jail for a debt.

And yet another SHINING example of how - unlike most everything else - politics moves BACKWARDS, not forward, and drags the 'law' with it.

[Dig]

If I read the article correct (and I believe I have), she wasn't sent to jail for debt.  She was sent to jail for failure to appear.

why did she have to appear in court?