9 Killed/Hundreds Kidnapped by Israeli commandos who stormed Gaza Flotilla

[Suriel]

Anger continues in Turkish street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR41WNlcFkM

The captured and the dead from the recent raid by Israeli commandos on an aid flotilla have been returned to Turkey, but the anger continues on the streets.

As thousands of Turks protested against Israel on Saturday, fuelling the fury further was the news of the preliminary autopsy reports.

The ever-present Palestinian flag was waved alongside that of Turkey. Also visible was the green flag of Hamas, signalling a new and widespread public embrace of all the Palestinian factions.

Even more surprisingly, the yellow flag of the Lebanese group, Hezbollah, was strongly present.

What began as an expression of support for Palestinians appears to have been transformed into fundamental opposition of Israel, evident in the mages of the Israel flag being burned in the street.

Al Jazeera's Mike Hanna reports from Istanbul.

[Suriel]

Israeli government's media madness
http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2010/06/04/israeli-governments-media-madness
By Ayman Mohyeldin in    Middle East on June 4th, 2010

For weeks the Israeli government has bombarded journalists with statements, press releases and videos - all professing that Gaza is not suffering a humanitarian crisis, there is no shortage of goods entering the Strip and even mocking the suffering of people in Gaza by recommending restaurants to visit in the coastal territory.

It also went so far as to claim those on board the Freedom Flotilla had links to al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. They showed us edited video clips of military footage supporting their version of events as to what happened onboard the Mavi Marmara -  reports that are now widely discredited by eyewitness accounts.

That is the Israeli narrative of events and it is certainly within their rights to espouse it.

But the most recent video distributed on Friday by the Israeli government press office (which belongs to the Israeli prime minister's office and is responsible for accrediting foreign journalists) is distasteful and insulting to those killed and injured on the Freedom Flotilla, and quite frankly disturbing - especially since it was made by the Jerusalem Post's deputy managing editor, Caroline Glick, who also moonlights for the American Center for Security Policy in Washington, DC. (Read more about Caroline Glick and her dual role as a pro-Israeli advocate and "credible journalist" in mainstream American and Israeli media here.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDQ1O7tBEV8

On Friday afternoon, the Israeli Government issued the following email:

    Due to a misunderstanding on our part, earlier today we inadvertently issued a video link that had been sent for our perusal.  It was not intended for general release.  The contents of the video in no way represent the official policy of either the Government Press Office or of the State of Israel.

     

    We apologize for any inconvenience.

     

    Thank you for your patients and understanding.

    Efraim Roseman

[InfoArsenal]

And the 10,000 articles criticizing israel and hundreds of hours of radio. From "What does israel have photos of every single member of congress in  some compromising position or what" to "they have blanketed the gaza area with depleted uranium" on and on and on. saying he avoids criticizing israel is like saying he is not a passionate radio host.

He did until the MSM picked it up, then he dropped it. this is standard for him. Have you heard him interject machete into the conversation this week?

Listen to Friday's show, he exposed how this is a definite path to WWIII and that Bilderberg right now is discussing finalization plans for an Iran airstrike. this is a lot bigger than Israel. The unemployment figures includes 400,000 fake numbers because of the census employment (which will only last 2 months). The euro is dying and europe needs a war. everyone knows about the one world agenda and support is failing. the environmental crap is not working to shift public opinion like they thought it would. their oldie but goodie tried and true "create another world war" is on the front burner and US involvement in WWI, WWII, and Vietnam were all started by embargoes and shipping lanes that got ugly.

you are saying you are not attacking aj by saying "i understand that he is too scared to criticize israel" which is an outright lie on its face but then get all sensitive when i simply point out thiis overtly obvious talking point found on all of our favorite Hal Turner style websites. i would appreciate not being attacked for simply saying this.

You keep insinuating I'm a FBI/White Power person because I'm saying AJ is way toned-down when it comes to Israel?

I know you moderate an infowars site but give me a break. You can't call me a liar just because you don't agree with what I'm saying.

And it has nothing to do with getting 'all sensitive'. You call me a liar when so many people can see what's going on, like we can't tell when AJ is into something and when he isn't. He was way more into Machete and a guy's dog getting shot than an American citizen being executed by the IDF.

Is a dog greater than an American?

You can go on and on with all this, "Oh but this is AJ's secret plan to allow Israel to expose itself". AJ also doesn't drop stuff when it goes mainstream. Seriously, you can't get much more mainstream than the BP oil spill and he's still covering it. We already know they are going to attack Iran, it's like every other week there is an infowars story about it. That's fine if he wants to cover Bilderberg no one told him not to. It's a 4 hours show, 5 days a week. I think in that span he can take 5 minutes to talk about an American getting his brains blown out and give his take on what happened on the ship instead of leaving it up in the air whether they were civilians or Hamas terrorists.

Where are the personal videos AJ's puts out when something is important like he did for Machete and the guy's dog being shot? We are practically on the brink of WW3 here.

I'd like to see a video of AJ giving a personal message on the flotilla and I'm not asking him to bash Israel, but cover the issue like it matters and not just call it a 'PR problem'. I think as a listener I can state this without being accused of NAZI talking points. That's borderline what the ADL does.

[citizenx]

But the "good" activists on board the "Rachel Corrie"  comply with the Israelis and their ship is docked at Ashdod and maybe the Israelis will even let the Gazans have a few of the things they brought once they are checked agains their crazy list of verboten materials.

They showed the world how "good activists" would do this.  Bibi practically praises them.

So, now the only bad guys were the "patsies"/"MK Ultra mind-control victims" on the "Mavi Marmara" and they were shot in the head, and everyone lives happily ever after right?

And everybody lived happily ever after as long as they did what the Israeli gangsters wanted, and all the good little boys and girls know what happens if they don't...

(if it hadn't been for the "Mavi Marmara", I think the Israelis would have executed/assassinated the crew of the "Rachel Corrie" now instead to make their point to the UN/Turkey.)

Infoarsenal, I'm with you.  I don't like the ugly turn this story is taking around here.

[Suriel]

Israeli government office links to video mocking flotilla
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/05/gaza.flotilla.mock.video/index.html?hpt=T2
By the CNN Wire Staff
June 5, 2010 4:39 p.m. EDT

Jerusalem (CNN) -- The Israeli government's press division is apologizing for circulating a link to a video that mocks activists aboard a ship headed to Gaza earlier this week that was blocked by an Israeli raid.

"Due to a misunderstanding on our part, earlier (Friday) we inadvertently issued a video link that had been sent for our perusal," according to a statement from Israel's Government Press Office, which distributed the link to media outlets.

"It was not intended for general release," the statement said. "The contents of the video in no way represent the official policy of either the Government Press Office or of the State of Israel."

The video, titled "We Con the World" -- set to the tune of the 1985 hit, "We are the World"-- was put together by Caroline Glick, a former member of the Israel Defense Forces and columnist for the Jerusalem Post.

In the video, up to a dozen members of the so-called "Flotilla Choir" -- some wearing a variation of traditional Arab dress -- sing satirical verses, such as: "There's no people dying, so the best that we can do is create the biggest bluff of all."

On her blog, Glick, who briefly appears in the video, says, "We produced a clip in English. There we feature the Turkish-Hamas 'love boat' captain, crew and passengers in a musical explanation of how they con the world."

"We think this is an important Israeli contribution to the discussion of recent events and we hope you distribute it far and wide," she adds.

Nine Turkish citizens were killed Monday after violence erupted on one of six ships in a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to the Palestinian Gaza Strip. A number of other people were wounded. Israel said the passengers initiated the attack; the passengers blamed the troops.

That incident drew widespread condemnation and cast a spotlight on the dynamics of the Gaza crisis. On Saturday, Israel intercepted the final boat that was part of the flotilla, though the incident aboard the Irish-owned MV Rachel Corrie ended peacefully about 22 miles off the Gaza coast.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev dismissed the the video link, saying, "The GPO sends out lots of articles. It doesn't mean they like it."

Regev said he first noticed the video on the New York Times website.

"I called my kids in to watch it because I thought it was funny," he said. "It is what Israelis feel. But the government has nothing to do with it. The GPO distributes non-government items, things that we think that show our side of the story."

It was not the first time the Israeli GPO stirred controversy with its public communications on the Gaza flotilla.

Prior to the storming of the Turkish ship, the GPO sent an e-mail to journalists sarcastically recommending that while covering "alleged humanitarian difficulties," journalists should dine at one of Gaza's few restaurants.

"We have been told the beef stroganoff and cream of spinach soup are highly recommended," the e-mail said.

The message included an internet link to an old promotional video for the restaurant. The e-mail drew criticism from the foreign press and pro-Palestinian activists.

In an interview with the Jerusalem Post, GPO director Danny Seaman defended the communication, arguing that foreign media coverage of Gaza was not balanced.

CNN's Kevin Flower contributed to this report.

[Dig]

You keep insinuating I'm a FBI/White Power person because I'm saying AJ is way toned-down when it comes to Israel?

I know you moderate an infowars site but give me a break. You can't call me a liar just because you don't agree with what I'm saying.

And it has nothing to do with getting 'all sensitive'. You call me a liar when so many people can see what's going on, like we can't tell when AJ is into something and when he isn't. He was way more into Machete and a guy's dog getting shot than an American citizen being executed by the IDF.

Is a dog greater than an American?

You can go on and on with all this, "Oh but this is AJ's secret plan to allow Israel to expose itself". AJ also doesn't drop stuff when it goes mainstream. Seriously, you can't get much more mainstream than the BP oil spill and he's still covering it. We already know they are going to attack Iran, it's like every other week there is an infowars story about it. That's fine if he wants to cover Bilderberg no one told him not to. It's a 4 hours show, 5 days a week. I think in that span he can take 5 minutes to talk about an American getting his brains blown out and give his take on what happened on the ship instead of leaving it up in the air whether they were civilians or Hamas terrorists.

Where are the personal videos AJ's puts out when something is important like he did for Machete and the guy's dog being shot? We are practically on the brink of WW3 here.

I'd like to see a video of AJ giving a personal message on the flotilla and I'm not asking him to bash Israel, but cover the issue like it matters and not just call it a 'PR problem'. I think as a listener I can state this without being accused of NAZI talking points. That's borderline what the ADL does.

Dude, listen to M-F shows. Everything you are saying makes no sense if you just listen to all the shows rather than reading talking points or just listening to snipits. Or don't, whatever.

[Dig]

Israel's blockade of Gaza, massacre at sea, and continued confrontations
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=473.0

[Suriel]

Demonstrations in London against Israeli raid on Gaza aid flotilla
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgfwyX8w7w

Protestors have marched across Central London in response to Israel's raid on a deadly aid flotilla bound for the Gaza Strip in the past week. The demonstration was noisy but peaceful, with people calling for the Israeli embassy in London to close. And there was a strong showing too, but it was matched by the city's police force. Al Jazeera's Tim Friend was there (5 June, 2010).

[Suriel]

Sweden to launch weeklong boycott on Israeli ships
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3899301,00.html
Associated Press
Published:    06.05.10, 16:52 / Israel News

Swedish Port Workers Union says won't handle Israeli ships in protest of Monday's raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla

Swedish dockworkers are set to launch a weeklong boycott of Israeli ships and goods to protest Monday's raid on a Gaza-destined aid flotilla, a union spokesman said Saturday

Nine activists died after Israeli troops intercepted the convoy. Nearly 700 activists had joined that operation, most of them aboard the lead boat from Turkey that was the scene of the violence.

Peter Annerback, a spokesman for the Swedish Port Workers Union which has around 1,500 members, said workers are urged to refuse handling of Israeli goods and ships during the June 15-24 boycott.

"If an Israeli ship would come we would just leave it be and not work on it," Annerback said of the measures.

The union supports the organization "Ship to Gaza," which took part in the flotilla headed for Gaza.

In a statement, the union said the reason for the boycott "is the unprecedented criminal attack on the peaceful ship convoy In Gaza. Several peace activists were killed by Israeli commandos and other participants were detained without any reason."

It also urged other unions and organizations to join them through similar initiatives and called for Israel to be brought to justice for the attack and that it respects international law "and that the blockade of Gaza immediately lifted."

Annerback said it was still unclear how much the boycott is expected to affect trade between the Sweden and Israel since the union still needs to identify cargos with Israeli origin.

"Right now it's not that easy to spot where it comes from so we still have a lot of detective work to do in that area," Federal Chairman Bjorn Borg said.

[citizenx]

Israel to give commando who killed six of the nine dead in flotilla a medal?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=12816

Five of nine dead shot in the back:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-autopsy-shows-gaza-activists-were-shot-a-total-of-30-times-1.294255

[Dig]

Israel's blockade of Gaza, massacre at sea, and continued confrontations
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?board=473.0

guys, please start posting new stories in the above link. it is hard for people to read through 25 pages and this allows for a way to browse through the issues.

[chris jones]

Two incidents: The SSLiberty was attacked by IZ and American sons were killed and wounded. Each and every suvivor can attest to this fact, this slaughter was intentional. Some Iz pilots refused to attack a US vessell..
The lebbanon bombing of marine baracks, Mossad had information prior to this bombing, they withheld this infor and allowed this slaughter, attested to in detail by a defecting Mossad agent.

These two facts alone say it all as to Isreals (masters) underlying control..

[able]

and remember with the SSLiberty Israel shot at the life boats. a international war crime.

[Viper]

Hi folks just wanted to say sorry for being rude to folks a number of times in this thread, and also adding stupid statements that i couldn't really back-up, i.e. the deism of Ju being invented in 400 bc,
for the last ten days i been smoking contaminated smoke and it messes with the brain, it's happened before and the same thing happened, it's like you have a migraine but without the pain.
Peace.

[Dok]

Reuters under fire for removing weapons, blood from images of Gaza flotilla

NOT THE FIRST TIME EITHER

News agency rejects charges of biased coverage, says it reverted to use of 'original set' of images once cropping discovered.

The Reuters news agency has been accused of removing images of activists wielding weapons and bloodied and wounded Israeli naval commandos from photographs taken on board a ship headed for Gaza during deadly clashes last week.

An image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with a passenger's knife, the hand of a wounded soldier and a pool of blood cropped out.Reuters



The same image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with the knife, soldier's hand and pool of blood restored.Reuters



An image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with a passenger's knife cropped out.Reuters



The same image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with the knife restored. Reuters



Nine people were killed and dozens others, among them Israel Defense Forces soldiers, were hurt when the clashes erupted as IDF troops tried to board the Mavi Marmara ship in order to prevent it reaching its destination in Gaza.

The ship was one of six vessels that made up the "Freedom Flotilla," a convoy carrying aid that set out from Turkey in an attempt to break Israel's blockade on the Gaza Strip. Five of the boats in the convoy were boarded by IDF troops without incident, while passengers on the sixth fought the troops as they came onboard. All six boats were towed by the Israel Navy to the Israeli port city of Ashdod.

Reuters on Monday rejected accusations of biased coverage, adding that it had reverted to the use of "the original set" of images, once the organization realized that the photographs it had published had been cropped.

A Reuters spokesman told Haaretz: "Reuters is committed to an accurate and impartial reporting. All images that pass over our wire follow a strict editorial evaluation and selection process.

"The images in question were made available in Istanbul in following normal editorial practice were prepared for dissemination which included cropping at the edges. When we realized that the dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images Reuters immediately moved to the original set as well.”

This is not the first time that Reuters has been criticized for images that appear to be biased against Israel. During the Second Lebanon War in 2006, the news agency admitted that one of its pictures of destruction caused by Israel's bombing of Beirut had been altered with a computer graphics program.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/reuters-under-fire-for-removing-weapons-blood-from-images-of-gaza-flotilla-1.294780

[Kilika]

Like I've been saying, it's BOTH sides people! There shouldn't be a pro-this or that. People need to objectively see that both sides of this faux confrontation created by the NWO are guilty of crimes against each other, because this whole "conflict" is one big NWO-created false flag operation on the world in order to stir hatred. The NWO doesn't want you to have love for your neighbor, they want you to hate your neighbor, and want you to tell your neighbor "...get the hell out...", as it was so plainly put of late.

They want you to kill your neighbor because they want you to think your neighbor is an occupier of your lands, when the land belongs to no man. The land and kingdoms didn't even belong to Satan when he tempted Jesus. It was a ruse, a lie, and that lie is STILL being told to man to this day. Man thinks he owns the land and the right to deny his neighbor peace, but he doesn't, yet his own greed and the love of increase, and the lack of contentment drives the lustful flesh of man to fight his neighbor instead of admitting they've been neighbors, and in fact cousins, all along.

[Dig]

Reuters under fire for removing weapons, blood from images of Gaza flotilla

News agency rejects charges of biased coverage, says it reverted to use of 'original set' of images once cropping discovered.

The Reuters news agency has been accused of removing images of activists wielding weapons and bloodied and wounded Israeli naval commandos from photographs taken on board a ship headed for Gaza during deadly clashes last week.

An image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with a passenger's knife, the hand of a wounded soldier and a pool of blood cropped out.Reuters



The same image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with the knife, soldier's hand and pool of blood restored.Reuters



An image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with a passenger's knife cropped out.Reuters



The same image of an IDF soldier being attacked by passengers on the Mavi Marmara ship, with the knife restored. Reuters



Nine people were killed and dozens others, among them Israel Defense Forces soldiers, were hurt when the clashes erupted as IDF troops tried to board the Mavi Marmara ship in order to prevent it reaching its destination in Gaza.

The ship was one of six vessels that made up the "Freedom Flotilla," a convoy carrying aid that set out from Turkey in an attempt to break Israel's blockade on the Gaza Strip. Five of the boats in the convoy were boarded by IDF troops without incident, while passengers on the sixth fought the troops as they came onboard. All six boats were towed by the Israel Navy to the Israeli port city of Ashdod.

Reuters on Monday rejected accusations of biased coverage, adding that it had reverted to the use of "the original set" of images, once the organization realized that the photographs it had published had been cropped.

A Reuters spokesman told Haaretz: "Reuters is committed to an accurate and impartial reporting. All images that pass over our wire follow a strict editorial evaluation and selection process.

"The images in question were made available in Istanbul in following normal editorial practice were prepared for dissemination which included cropping at the edges. When we realized that the dagger was inadvertently cropped from the images Reuters immediately moved to the original set as well.”

This is not the first time that Reuters has been criticized for images that appear to be biased against Israel. During the Second Lebanon War in 2006, the news agency admitted that one of its pictures of destruction caused by Israel's bombing of Beirut had been altered with a computer graphics program.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/reuters-under-fire-for-removing-weapons-blood-from-images-of-gaza-flotilla-1.294780

WTF? All the Kings and Queens want this war!

This is a rich man's war just like the US civil war and almost every other war!

CNN has decided to break relations with AP.

Both AP and Reuters are controlled by Rothschilds.

This may be the first clear outrage to the Rothschild control over information. They have been controlling information since pre-Napoleonic wars!
http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/99XdvZt52bb9.htm

[Dok]

Hamas prevents flotilla aid from entering Gaza

IDF says that Hamas has refused to allow the aid into Gaza through Israeli-controlled land border crossings.


More than a week after the Israeli navy forcibly intercepted a flotilla carrying humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip, the 10,000-ton cargo of the seven ships has yet to reach Palestinians.

Israel and the radical Islamist Hamas movement in control of Gaza blamed each other Tuesday for the aid not reaching its destination.

Major Guy Inbar, the Israeli military official charged with liaising with Palestinian officials told the German Press Agency dpa that Hamas was refusing to allow the aid in through Israeli-controlled border crossings over land.

He said Israel had already sent eight truckloads of goods, including electric wheelchairs, to its Kerem Shalom crossing with the southern Gaza Strip last Tuesday, a day after the raid on the flotilla in international waters off Gaza. Nine Turkish activists were killed when the interception of the Turkish Mavi Marmara turned violent.

Those goods were still waiting at the Kerem Shalom crossing, while the rest of the aid - including more wheelchairs, cement, medicine and medical equipment, toys and blankets - was still stored in warehouses in the southern Israeli port of Ashdod, Inbar said.

He said Israel was trying to coordinate their transfer into Gaza with the international community and with the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Abbas, Hamas' rival.

Inbar denied charges by Hamas officials that the transfer of the electric wheelchairs to the Kerem Shalom crossing was a propaganda move and a "deception" because Israel had allegedly removed their batteries.

"The batteries are in the mini-scooters. That's another lie that you heard from the Hamas spokesman," he said.

Hamas' spokesman in Gaza, Fawzi Barhoum, said Israel, which confiscated the goods, should be blamed for setting its terms for their transfer.

"The problem is with the Israeli occupation, which imposes its conditions and mechanisms as it wants, and not as the international organizations want," he said, apparently referring to the Israeli demand that only cement to be used only for specified, supervised projects be allowed into Gaza.

According to Inbar, Israel was willing to allow cement to enter Gaza if used for specific reconstruction projects supervised by international organizations, to ensure it would not be used by Palestinian militants for building fortifications or weapons smuggling tunnels.

He also noted that "a lot of the medicine" included in the aid cargo had already expired between February and November 2009.

"The Red Cross will have to decide whether they will get into the Gaza Strip," he said.

He said Israel was willing to allow also the cement to enter Gaza if used for specific reconstruction projects supervised by international organizations, to ensure it would not be used by Palestinian militants for building fortifications or weapons smuggling tunnels.

He noted that "a lot of the medicine" on board had expiry dates that had already passed, including February 2009, April 2009, May 2009 and November 2009.

"The Red Cross will have to decide whether they will get into the Gaza Strip," he said.

"The one who is rejecting is Israel, not Hamas," Barhoum told dpa, accusing Israel of trying to "to continue misleading world public opinion."

He called on the world "to interfere to end the siege" of Gaza.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/hamas-prevents-flotilla-aid-from-entering-gaza-1.294938

[Kilika]

Hamas doesn't give one second of care towards the Palistinian people. They are terrorist thugs that's all. Hamas plays games with the people just as much as Israel does. It's all politics and no sincerity, and that is why all those supplys are being held up by Hamas instead of being distributed.


This kind of stuff goes on all the time...(petty bickering)

He said Israel was trying to coordinate their transfer into Gaza with the international community and with the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority of President Mahmoud Abbas, Hamas' rival.

Inbar denied charges by Hamas officials that the transfer of the electric wheelchairs to the Kerem Shalom crossing was a propaganda move and a "deception" because Israel had allegedly removed their batteries.

"The batteries are in the mini-scooters. That's another lie that you heard from the Hamas spokesman," he said.

Hamas' spokesman in Gaza, Fawzi Barhoum, said Israel, which confiscated the goods, should be blamed for setting its terms for their transfer.

It's all an illusion that the world just can't see because of their own bias and hatred.

[spangler]

And now a word from the Zionists:

Hamas doesn't give one second of care towards the Palistinian people.

I guess that's why Hamas provides welfare and social services to the Palestinians and builds schools and hospitals, and it develops social and religious projects etc?

They are terrorist thugs that's all.

Really? How so? And if so, apply your criteria to the IDF....

Hamas plays games with the people just as much as Israel does.

Really? You mean Hamas' blockade of Gaza, its home demolitions in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, its Sonic booms, its settler violence, its draconian foreign travel study and trade restrictions, it's hundreds of hours long checkpoints throughout the West Bank, eqivocations and subterfuge at the peace process, its thousands of Palestinian prisoners held illegally including hundreds of children  etc. etc.?


 

It's all politics and no sincerity

You're referring to Israel and the peace process of course.


Tired old Zionist talking point:

It's all an illusion that the world just can't see because of their own bias and hatred.

Surprised you tried it really. It's the 'everybody hates us' line and it won't wash dude. What everybody hates is your slow motion-genocide against the Palestinians.

[Kilika]

And now a word from the Zionists:

I guess that's why Hamas provides welfare and social services to the Palestinians and builds schools and hospitals, and it develops social and religious projects etc?



Really? How so? And if so, apply your criteria to the IDF....


Really? You mean Hamas' blockade of Gaza, its home demolitions in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, its Sonic booms, its settler violence, its draconian foreign travel study and trade restrictions, it's hundreds of hours long checkpoints throughout the West Bank, eqivocations and subterfuge at the peace process, its thousands of Palestinian prisoners held illegally including hundreds of children  etc. etc.?


 
You're referring to Israel and the peace process of course.


Tired old Zionist talking point:

Surprised you tried it really. It's the 'everybody hates us' line and it won't wash dude. What everybody hates is your slow motion-genocide against the Palestinians.

Listen here Sparkey, I mean Spangler, first you need to learn the definition of "Zionist", then you need to actually read through something other than those rose-colored glasses you got on.

I'm the complete opposite of a Zionist. You calling me a Zionist is the the standard "you are too!" childish response that always comes from people who see Israel as all evil and the Palistinians as some kind of innocents. Your simply an idiot if you think Israel is the only guilty party.

Personally, I think the Zionists are a joke, and I do not support them in any way. A real Christian cannot be a real Zionist, and you'd know that if you actually knew anything at all about Zionism or Christianity.  The return of Israel is prophecy, not the desires of man to run off all the arabs from Israel. And those supposed Christians that claim to be helping Israel return, Zionists as you call them, are completely wrong and out of touch with what scripture actually says. Do you even understand the concept of "works" versus "faith" in the Christian context? Ofc ourse you don't, or you wouldn't have posted your silly reply.

For the record, I believe that Israel needs to repent of their evil on all peoples, not just what they have done to their brethren the Arabs. Both Israel and the Palistinians need to repent. I believe both sides of the false left/right the NWO has conned people into believing needs to repent.

It would do you some good too to repent of that hateful biased heart you got there.

Think about it. Ask yourself if you think that any Palistinians have done evil against Israel or their own people. Hamas? Fatah? Al Aqsa Martyrs Bridage? Jordan, the overseer of the Temple Mount? PLO? Arafat? Abbas? Egypt and their border partnership with Israel? Has none of them done evil in all this? Do you actually think Israel is the only bad guy in this?

Bottom line, your post shows just how much you've been suckered into the NWO-created illusion that is the Middle East. Don't you realize that all governments of the world are evil, and answer to the same people? You really don't get it do you? You've been had and don't even know it.

Let's see if you can answer the question that so far no one has stepped up and offered anything. People of your position make all these accusations against Israel, and see no evil from the Palistinians, so let me ask you this...

...If Israel is the only one being evil, then explain why an Israeli is not allowed in Mecca or on the Temple Mount? And why is it that Arabs(Jordan actually) rule over a jewish religious site, not allowing jews access to their most holy site on this planet, a site that is within their own Israeli borders? Who is "occupying" whom? Can you imagine jews banding together and taking control of the Grand Mosque in Mecca, not allowing Muslims access? How can any sane person justify that?

It's not about occupation. That is the NWO line of crap you've bought into. Go read a real bible and learn the real story of Islam and where "they" came from.

The other question that people like you tend to avoid is this... You do know that Islam didn't show up till the 600'sAD right? And you do know that the historical record proves the people called Israel have been in "Israel" the geogrpaphic region for at least since before 1500BC? Ever heard of the Babylonian exile? Look it up and see when history says that happened.

What people like you tend to avoid is the fact that "Arabs" as a group don't have a claim of a country for Arabs, anywhere and neither does Islam as a group, no more that Jews as a people. If the alledged militant muslims had it their way, they'd have a country called "Middle East", and run everybody else off. THAT is the attitude of Islam, and is the attitude the NWO plays on the people. Arabia is a loosley defined region, not a country. There are many countries in Arabia, and one of them is Israel.

If you don't like what Israel as a country is doing, talk to the UN, and they will in turn claim it is the US and Britians fault, who will deny it all and say it's really Russia's fault, when in reality they are all guilty of evil in the situation. If you want to break up Israel and run off all the jews, then talk to the people who created the current country called Israel. I'll give you a hint where to look; they ain't jews! Don't let last names fool you. Just because a person's name is "jewstein", that doen't mean they are a real jew. More like NWO puppet globalist.

What your seeing is not what it appears to be.

[Dok]

Sources: Obama Administration to Support Anti-Israel Resolution at UN Next Week

THE WEEKLY STANDARD has learned that senior Obama administration officials have been telling foreign governments that the administration intends to support an effort next week at the United Nations to set up an independent commission, under UN auspices, to investigate Israel's behavior in the Gaza flotilla incident. The White House has apparently shrugged off concerns from elsewhere in the U.S. government that a) this is an extraordinary singling out of Israel, since all kinds of much worse incidents happen around the world without spurring UN investigations; b) that the investigation will be one-sided, focusing entirely on Israeli behavior and not on Turkey or on Hamas; and c) that this sets a terrible precedent for outside investigations of incidents involving U.S. troops or intelligence operatives as we conduct our own war on terror.

While UN Ambassador Susan Rice is reported to have played an important role in pushing for U.S. support of a UN investigation, the decision is, one official stressed, of course the president's. The government of Israel has been consulting with the U.S. government on its own Israeli investigative panel, to be led by a retired supreme court justice, that would include respected international participants, including one from the U.S. But the Obama administration is reportedly saying that such a “kosher panel” is not good enough to satisfy the international community, or the Obama White House. 

http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/sources-obama-administration-support-anti-israel-resolution-un-next-week

[citizenx]

Well, I won't believe it until it's done, but I hope it's true.

If it is true, I think the Israelis will divest themselves of the Obama project, though.  I think everyone here knows what that could mean.

If this isn't b.s., it will be interesting.

[iks83]

I doubt it will happen. The US government had many opportunities to sever that rotting limb that is Israel but they never did. You had spy scandals, the USS Liberty, 9/11 and now the flotilla attack. Enough to have the public support to disconnect and be cheered on by the people in the process no matter how the media will spin it. Now they have lost control of the information flow because of the internet so the people now do it on their own, voting out the Israel fi(r)sters but still hate the rest of the government with their let em eat cake mentality.

[Kilika]

Well, I won't believe it until it's done, but I hope it's true.

If it is true, I think the Israelis will divest themselves of the Obama project, though.  I think everyone here knows what that could mean.

If this isn't b.s., it will be interesting.

Hope what is true? That the UN will investigate Israel's actions for possible crimes? Surely you jest. You actually want one of the top ranking globalist evil organizations to investigate one of their own? And how do you suppose that will work out? You really expect the UN to remain objective? Seriously? Have you and iks83 not even been paying attention at all? Do either of you not know who really runs the international dog and pony show? When I said talk to the UN, I was refering to them as a culprit, not a solution!

Wow.

[citizenx]

I did qualify that:

"..if it isn't b.s..."

Personally, Lefty, I can't stand the UN or the "creator's favorite country"  -- whatta loada $hit!

But you're right -- the one bunch of scumabgs aren't goint to do much against the other bunch in all likelihood.

[Kilika]

I did qualify that:

"..if it isn't b.s..."

Personally, Lefty, I can't stand the UN or the "creator's favorite country"  -- whatta loada $hit!

But you're right -- the one bunch of scumabgs aren't goint to do much against the other bunch in all likelihood.

Yes, you did, and that's why I prefaced with a question.

[citizenx]

Yes, if one bunch of the scumbags (UN) fought with another group of the scumbags (the present "State of Israel"), that would be a good thing IMO.

Someone once said, "A house divided cannot stand."  KWIM?

[Kilika]

"And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:" Matthew 12:25 (KJB)

[citizenx]

Yup.

[Joe(WI)]

I think it sums up well,


wonder how long before it gets pulled 

[Dok]

Israel 'to expand' powers of Gaza flotilla inquiry

Israel is ready to expand the powers of an investigation panel into its deadly raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, PM Benjamin Netanyahu has said.

His statement followed Israeli reports that the head of the panel, Yaakov Tirkel, had threatened to resign.

Mr Tirkel has demanded that the panel be recognised as a state commission of inquiry with the power to subpoena witnesses and recommend sanctions.

He also wants two more members added to the five-member panel.

Demands

Israel set up the internal inquiry earlier this month, after an international outcry over the 31 May interception of an aid ship in international waters that left nine Turkish activists dead.

Israel has rejected UN calls for an international probe, but has agreed to include two foreign observers in its own inquiry.

Mr Tirkel said on Monday that the commission would summon Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to testify, along with Israel's defence minister and military chief of staff.

He also sought two assistants for the three members and two foreign observers that make up the panel, whose work officially started on Monday.

Israel television and press reports said Mr Tirkel, a retired Supreme Court judge, had told Justice Minister Yaakov Neeman that he would quit the post if his demands were not met.

Response
 
Sources close to the inquiry have denied the reports, but the prime minister issued a statement on Tuesday saying the cabinet was ready to grant the commission's request to allow it to subpoena witnesses and have them testify under oath.

"There is no reason not to give positive consideration to this request," Mr Netanyahu's statement said, adding that the cabinet would also consider the request for additional members on Sunday.

But it specified that the extended mandate would not allow the panel to investigate any soldiers involved in the flotilla raid, citing security considerations.

The scope of the investigation is limited to determining the legality of Israel's sea blockade of Gaza, its deadly raid in international waters, and the actions of the activists and the aid flotilla's organisers.

Israel says its commandos boarded one of the Turkish-sponsored vessels last month to enforce its blockade on Gaza aimed at preventing weapons from reaching Hamas militants.

It says the soldiers opened fire when activists assaulted them with knives and clubs, claims the activists deny.

Israel has since eased its three-year land blockade of Gaza, while continuing to enforce a naval embargo of the coastal territory where 1.5 million Palestinians live.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10458521.stm

[citizenx]

UN: Israel Has Violated International Law
Posted on 02. Oct, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Gaza Today


Palestine Our Destination Humanitarian Aid Our Load flotilla of ships set out in May to break the four-year long Israeli blockade on Gaza and to open a humanitarian aid corridor for the 1.5 million Gazan people, one million of which live in refugee camps. On the 31 May morning, the Israeli military attacked in the Mediterranean Sea in international waters the flotilla that included more than 600 citizens of 36 countries with different languages and ideologies. Nine humanitarian aid volunteers were killed and 54 were injured in the attack.



International law was violated; Gaza embargo is unlawful!

The United Nations released the result of an investigation it launched in August following the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara boat. The UN Human Rights Council Fact-finding Mission stated that Israel violated international law, including international human rights law. The UN described the Israels attack on the flotilla was disproportionate and unacceptably brutal and called the embargo imposed on Gaza unlawful.

continued at:

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/10/un-israel-has-violated-international-law/

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See link above to read details of the UN report!

[skyfind]

UN: Israel Has Violated International Law
Posted on 02. Oct, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Gaza Today


Palestine Our Destination Humanitarian Aid Our Load flotilla of ships set out in May to break the four-year long Israeli blockade on Gaza and to open a humanitarian aid corridor for the 1.5 million Gazan people, one million of which live in refugee camps. On the 31 May morning, the Israeli military attacked in the Mediterranean Sea in international waters the flotilla that included more than 600 citizens of 36 countries with different languages and ideologies. Nine humanitarian aid volunteers were killed and 54 were injured in the attack.



International law was violated; Gaza embargo is unlawful!

The United Nations released the result of an investigation it launched in August following the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara boat. The UN Human Rights Council Fact-finding Mission stated that Israel violated international law, including international human rights law. The UN described the Israels attack on the flotilla was disproportionate and unacceptably brutal and called the embargo imposed on Gaza unlawful.

continued at:

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/10/un-israel-has-violated-international-law/

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See link above to read details of the UN report!

Is only blah, blah, blah, the UN saying that is like laughting to the victims
They are just doing a report about that truth because is too obvious what is happening to hide it

And we are still waiting for this:

The illegal expansion of the Israeli settlements opposite to the international law

The Israeli acceleration in building and expanding of the Illegal Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank territory reflects the Israeli apathy of the International legitimacy regulations and resolutions, represented by the United Nation Security Council Resolutions:

    * UNSCR No. 446 of 1979 states that ‘all of the Israeli practices and activities concerning the building and expanding of the Israeli settlements in all of the Arab territories occupied in June 1967 are Illegal and void.‘
    * UNSCR No. 452 of 1979 also ‘called upon the nation and the state of Israel to immediately halt the construction of the Israeli settlements in the occupied territory including the city of Jerusalem.‘
    * UNSCR No. 465 of 1980 ‘called upon Israel to stop building in the Israeli settlements in the occupied territories and to dismantle all of the Israeli settlements built in the aforementioned territories since the year 1967, and demanding all of the state parties of the UN not to help Israel in building these Illegal settlements‘.

FULL: http://www.arij.org/publications%287%29/Reports/2008/2008%20israeli%20settlements%20dramatically%20expand%20in%20the%20occupied%20west%20bank%20between%20the%20years%201996%20&%202007.pdf

[citizenx]

Well, I agree on a substantive level this does nothing.

On the other hand, it is further vindication for those of us trying to draw attention to these continuing provocations.

I have also posted this on another thread I have started about the settlements -- another set of similar provocations:

Topic: NYC Zionazis pay off settlers to stage political BS against peace
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=187725.0

Thanks.

[grapecrusher1]

Well, I agree on a substantive level this does nothing.

On the other hand, it is further vindication for those of us trying to draw attention to these continuing provocations.

I concur.

Despite it only be a slight admonishment it is still damning.

[Dok]

UN report on Israeli raid on Gaza-bound flotilla blames Israel and Turkey

A U.N. panel's report blames Israel, Turkey, and organizers of a Gaza-bound flotilla for last year's deadly raid by Israeli commandos and says "strenuous efforts" should be made to prevent a repetition.

The 105-page report released Friday by the United Nations said the events of May 31, 2010 should never have unfolded as they did.

The panel said Israel's naval blockade of Gaza was legal but it called the raid on the flotilla "excessive and unreasonable" and the killing of eight Turkish activists and a Turkish-American "unacceptable."

It also said the flotilla "acted recklessly" and Turkish officials should have done more to warn flotilla participants of "potential risks."

The panel's Israeli and Turkish members rejected criticism of their countries.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/129138843.html