9 Killed/Hundreds Kidnapped by Israeli commandos who stormed Gaza Flotilla

[citizenx]

This kind of thing smacks of what our U.S. government (itself collapsing) likes to refer to as a "failed state".

Desperation?  Nothing left to lose?

I actually wouldn't want to be an Israeli right now.  Not because the United States, Europe, NATO, the UN or any other number of bodies are going to do anything.  Not because Turkey, Lebanon, Syria and Iran might take matters into their own hands, but because everything there might very well be on the verge of being lost.

These are not the actions of a bunch of life's winners.  I think the Israelis don't really believe in themselves or their institutions any more.  There won't be anything left to protect them from the wolves in the end.  Are people really going to follow a corrupt businessman like Bibi into the mouth of hell?
 
Hell no.  

Wise people will begin leaving the sinking ship like rats -- to America or whatever hidey-hole will have their sorry excuses for a master race.

I'm beyond anger, now.  I pity them (really a different kind of contempt).  This goes to show the clock really is running out on the Jewish-Apartheid state, and it couldn't happen a moment to soon.

Israeli Amritsar?  Yes.

The Zionist Raj is over.  It is only a matter of time.

I don't think you-know-who has their back.

[able]

all eyes looking for a good source for a Turkish escort. this could be fulcrum if its true.

i cant find the sorry but i remember reading that turkey was considering sending jets to escort the first flotilla. cant remember if it was wrh.

[InfoArsenal]

lol the Rachel Corrie?

Who ever thought of that is awesome.

Not really a laughing matter, but that's pretty powerful buzz if something happens to that ship.

You know Obama has Made in Israel tattooed on his butt by Rahm so we can't really expect much of a real response.

It's always funny to see a liberal's eyes when they realize their dear Israeli's are slaughtering everyone.

Oh and did you guys here about this:

"21-year old Emily Henochowicz was hit in the face with a tear gas projectile fired directly at her by an Israeli soldier during the demonstration at Qalandiya checkpoint today. Emily Henochowicz is currently in Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem undergoing surgery to remove her left eye, following the demonstration that was held in protest to Israel’s murder of at least 10 civilians aboard the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in international waters this morning."

http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/

[RabidSheep]

Has anyone seen his yet?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3b_1275323514

Seems like a cluster f**k from the beginning.

[RabidSheep]

Video from the ship by the Turkish reporters.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=31c_1275318231

View from Israeli helicopter.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f4e_1275318710

Israeli forces never should have stormed that ship. They were asking for the fight put up by the convoy. Like they knew they would be attacked and did it to provoke a reaction. Despicable. 

[Gordon_Shumway]

Member of USS liberty is missing:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897160,00.html

He was aboard USS Liberty when Israel tried to sink it and he was now aboard the "freedom flotilla".

[RabidSheep]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/31/AR2010053100616.html?hpid=topnews

Gaza militants battle Israelis, 2 reported dead


JERUSALEM -- The Israeli military says Gaza militants have crossed the border into Israel and exchanged fire with troops. Israeli rescue services say two militants were killed.

Tensions are high Tuesday in the aftermath of an Israeli naval raid targeting an aid flotilla to Gaza, which is ruled by Hamas militants and is subject to an Israeli-Egyptian blockade.

Commandos boarding one of the ships Monday encountered resistance and killed nine pro-Palestinian activists in the ensuing clash.

The Israeli military says no troops were hurt in Tuesday's clash on the Gaza border.

Israeli police said roadblocks were thrown up inside Israel after the reported infiltration from Gaza.

Israel Radio reported that schoolchildren in the area were ordered to remain inside.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

JERUSALEM (AP) - Organizers of the Gaza aid flotilla that was the target of a deadly Israeli naval raid say they're sending two more ships to the area within the next few days.

Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement says a cargo boat is already on the way to challenge Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip. She says a second boat carrying about three dozen passengers is expected to join it.

Meanwhile, criticism inside Israel was spreading Tuesday about the botched raid, which killed at least nine activists.

Israeli officials say about 50 of the 671 activists aboard the flotilla have been taken to Israel's international airport for deportation. They say others have refused to identify themselves and will remain in detention.

[Gordon_Shumway]

all eyes looking for a good source for a Turkish escort. this could be fulcrum if its true.

i cant find the sorry but i remember reading that turkey was considering sending jets to escort the first flotilla. cant remember if it was wrh.

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/turkey-threatens-action-israel-on-alert/116743-2.html?from=tn


Two Turkish activists were reported to be among those killed in the flotilla. Ankara warned that further supply vessels will be sent to Gaza, escorted by the Turkish Navy, a development with unpredictable consequences.

[InfoArsenal]

The USS liberty guy was probably one of those Hamas operatives aboard this militant Al Quaeda fleet that Israel keeps talking about...

[Dig]

Member of USS liberty is missing:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897160,00.html

He was aboard USS Liberty when Israel tried to sink it and he was now aboard the "freedom flotilla".

Fing A, this is insane!

[Gordon_Shumway]

This is interesting.

Kurds have attacked Turkeys navy base and they kill 6 turkish soldiers.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jaQi6OY_A1G1bCSOqVoDHeGWJqKQD9G1SSJ80

[InfoArsenal]

Probably the West letting Turkey know they will use terror attacks against them unless they get in line and kiss Israeli-Jew butt.

Actually looking back on this being stepped up for the last few days this might be a reaction to them sending the floatilla in the first place.

[Dig]

Probably the West letting Turkey know they will use terror attacks against them unless they get in line and kiss Israeli-Jew butt.

Actually looking back on this being stepped up for the last few days this might be a reaction to them sending the floatilla in the first place.

Israelis 'using Kurds to build power base' | World news | The Guardian
Jun 21, 2004 ... "Israel has always supported the Kurds in a Machiavellian way - a balance against Saddam," one former Israeli intelligence officer told the ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/21/iraq.syria


BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israelis 'train Kurdish forces'
Sep 20, 2006 ... A report on the BBC TV programme Newsnight showed Israeli experts in northern Iraq, drilling Kurdish militias in shooting techniques. ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5364982.stm


Israel Reportedly Training Kurdish Forces - Defense/Middle East ...
Feb 5, 2010 ... Recent reports indicate that Israeli agents are working in Iraqi Kurdistan to train Kurdish commandos in guerrilla war and ...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/135877

[InfoArsenal]

Israelis 'using Kurds to build power base' | World news | The Guardian
Jun 21, 2004 ... "Israel has always supported the Kurds in a Machiavellian way - a balance against Saddam," one former Israeli intelligence officer told the ...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jun/21/iraq.syria


BBC NEWS | Middle East | Israelis 'train Kurdish forces'
Sep 20, 2006 ... A report on the BBC TV programme Newsnight showed Israeli experts in northern Iraq, drilling Kurdish militias in shooting techniques. ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5364982.stm


Israel Reportedly Training Kurdish Forces - Defense/Middle East ...
Feb 5, 2010 ... Recent reports indicate that Israeli agents are working in Iraqi Kurdistan to train Kurdish commandos in guerrilla war and ...
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/135877

And this isn't even covering the US's links to using the kurds as well just like the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. If you're young and dumb in the world, USA/Israel is there giving you weapons and telling you who to shoot.

[Dig]

It looks like this is the official story:

"We sent in a full Israeli black operations commando unit in ski masks, hoods, and camoflage onto your ship traveling in treaty protected international waters during the dead of night. We did it to your peaceful group of activists while they were sleeping. We then started shooting these non-violent activists with high powered paint guns, again in the dead of night. When they started resisting the torture inflicted upon them by the paint guns (or when they just instinctively resisted being kidnapped by what obviously looked like a mercenary death squad), we summarily began to execute them wiith extreme prejudice."

I call out to all law enforcement officers everywhere to stop viewing Israeli counter-terrorism training as the rosetta stone of terror prevention education.

It is obviously terror provoking education, how much more obvious does it get?

[Dig]

And this isn't even covering the US's links to using the kurds as well just like the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan. If you're young and dumb in the world, USA/Israel is there giving you weapons and telling you who to shoot.

Absolutely, there are hundreds if not thousands of articles exposing how the US/UK use the kurds as a "stabilizer" against Iran/Turkey/Iraq over the last 30 years at least.

[iks83]

Hummm I'm kinda late to this thread... lots to read and when that paid israeli propagandist joined in I skipped right to the end. What I read this morning on a german alternative news site is that 2 members of the german parliament are in that convoy too... nothing heard from them since the attacks and not a single peep about that in the bought off/infiltrated german media.

[InfoArsenal]

It looks like this is the official story:

"We sent in a full Israeli black operations commando unit in ski masks, hoods, and camoflage onto your ship traveling in treaty protected international waters during the dead of night. We did it to your peaceful group of activists while they were sleeping. We then started shooting these non-violent activists with high powered paint guns, again in the dead of night. When they started resisting the torture inflicted upon them by the paint guns (or when they just instinctively resisted being kidnapped by what obviously looked like a mercenary death squad), we summarily began to execute them wiith extreme prejudice."

I call out to all law enforcement officers everywhere to stop viewing Israeli counter-terrorism training as the rosetta stone of terror prevention education.

It is obviously terror provoking education, how much more obvious does it get?

You hit the nail on the head there.

I hope AJ cover this tomorrow.

[grapecrusher1]

Chossudovsky's insight makes a lot of sense and this is one of the best articles yet.  

Israeli Strike On Freedom Flotilla To Gaza
Is Part Of A Broader Military Agenda
'Operation Justified Vengeance'


War Criminal Prime Minister Netanyahu, who directly ordered the strike on the international flotilla to Gaza, was on an official visit to Canada at the time of the Israeli attack.

The strike constitutes an act of piracy in violation of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Netanyahu's actions, which have resulted in more than 10 deaths and up to 60 injured, constitute a criminal act committed in international waters. (BBC News - Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship).

In a cruel irony, Netanyahu, in a recent statement, committed himself to peace with Palestine: "We want to move as speedily as possible to direct talks because the kind of problem that we have with the Palestinians can be resolved in peace and can be arranged only if we sit down together".

Several prominent personalities as well as several Global Research authors and partners were on board the ships.

rest of the article
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=19447

[Dig]

Paintball guns are used in terror training drills...


Open Call For FBI Players
"Terrorists," "murderers" among roles cast for Quantico training
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713051fbi1.html

JULY 13--While eating breakfast at a Cracker Barrel in Fredericksburg, Virginia, Anthony Bradley overhears two men--both of whom have "dark complexions and appeared to be of Middle Eastern descent"--discussing a terrorist attack, perhaps a bombing of a Chicago train station. Occasionally conversing in what sounds like Arabic, the swarthy duo speaks excitedly about the Iraq war and the efforts of insurgents who attack U.S. military personnel. One of the men notes, "It is our responsibility to shed blood for Allah." This is one of dozens of training scenarios presented at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia, where future G-men participate in "role player" exercises geared toward preparing them for similar real-life situations. This glimpse into the Academy's secret training playbook is found in a "request for quote" (RFQ) issued last month by FBI administrators. The bureau is seeking bids from firms that can provide at least 60 civilian role players to staff these training scenarios for 12 months (and perhaps for four option years). The role players portray bank robbers, terrorists, murderers, crime victims, and witnesses. They sometimes carry weapons, engage in paintball shootouts with FBI trainees, and should be prepared to be "handcuffed in a variety of positions (i.e., standing, kneeling, prone, walking backwards on their knees)." On the following pages are excerpts from the bureau's RFQ, submissions for which are due July 18. Along with describing a role player's physical requirements and what kind of weapons are used in training exercises (which often occur at Quantico's Hogan's Alley facility), the 140-page document details scenarios a prospective contractor will have to staff, including episodes involving the delivery of a bomb to the home of a federal judge, more radical Islamists, an assistant pastor who sleeps with underage girls and kills his pregnant wife, and a nuclear power plant employee who has stolen blueprints in anticipation of peddling them to a North Korean intelligence officer. (12 pages)

[grapecrusher1]

Hummm I'm kinda late to this thread... lots to read and when that paid israeli propagandist joined in I skipped right to the end. What I read this morning on a german alternative news site is that 2 members of the german parliament are in that convoy too... nothing heard from them since the attacks and not a single peep about that in the bought off/infiltrated german media.

Info lockdown.  There is a Canadian on board the flotilla who has not been heard from.  In fact there is virtually ZERO information post-storming.  
We still dont know how many people were killed!!!!!  9,10,14,16, and 19 are the favourite numbers.
Deportations are supposed to be happening today so there should be a lot coming out.

[Dig]

Former US ambassador captured aboard Gaza aid ship to be sent home
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/ambassador-captured-aboard-gaza-aid-ship-home/
By The Associated Press
Monday, May 31st, 2010 -- 10:21 pm

A former U.S. ambassador aboard a Gaza aid ship seized by Israel commandos is on his way home, his wife said Monday evening.

Edward Peck, 81, of Chevy Chase, Md., was among activists in the flotilla trying to get humanitarian aid to Gaza, said his wife, Ann Peck.

She said she received a brief e-mail from Israel's foreign ministry on Monday informing her that her husband was fine and headed home. The e-mail said he would likely arrive Tuesday and would call from a New York airport when he landed, Ann Peck said.

She said that as of Monday evening she hadn't spoken with U.S. officials, nor was she able to talk to her husband, a former U.S. ambassador to Mauritania.

AP's earlier story is below.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A former U.S. ambassador aboard a Gaza aid ship seized by Israel commandos is on his way home, his wife said Monday evening.

Edward Peck, 80, of Chevy Chase, Md., was among activists in the flotilla trying to get humanitarian aid to Gaza, said his wife, Ann Peck.

She said she received a brief e-mail from Israel's foreign ministry on Monday informing her that her husband was fine and headed home. The e-mail said he would likely arrive Tuesday and would call from a New York airport when he landed, Ann Peck said.

She said that as of Monday evening she hadn't spoken with U.S. officials, nor was she able to talk to her husband, a former U.S. ambassador to Mauritania.

[grapecrusher1]

One more reason why I sympathize with those that contemplate vengeance.
Israelis celebrating attack (killing) on Turkish Aid Ship - in front of Turkish Embassy,Tel Aviv (video)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204

[InfoArsenal]

We need a full VIP list of who is on the boat--maybe Sane can get a thread going.

Here's what I found so far:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1082773/pg1

[Viper]

We need a full VIP list of who is on the boat--maybe Sane can get a thread going.

Here's what I found so far:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1082773/pg1

It says sorry your ip has been banned?
It got a stupid pic too.

[InfoArsenal]

Yeah I had that happen to me when I tried to use wikipedia out of curiosity one day.

Hopefully someone will make a new thread because it's not worth posting a giant list of bios and names in here to clutter everything up.

[Viper]

Yeah I had that happen to me when I tried to use wikipedia out of curiosity one day...

No worries i read the whole message :

If you need help you can email bans@godlikeproductions.com

we sometimes have to ban entire ISP Providers because of attacks on this website..

If you have been inadvertently caught up in one of these bans please accept our apologies email us and we will try to clear it up for you

[Dig]

One more reason why I sympathize with those that contemplate vengeance.
Israelis celebrating attack (killing) on Turkish Aid Ship - in front of Turkish Embassy,Tel Aviv (video)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6a3_1275348204

What do you mean by vengeance? George Bush was a master at sympathizing with those contemplating vengeance. So for the second time, did you sympathize with Churchill's decision on Dresden?

This was a state sponsored massacre, there are still activists in prison, 50 have been deported. The best act of vengeance I can think of is having thousands of journalists and activists getting into gaza and exposing the global prison industrial complex. Israel has lost all credibility and it is time to expose the Gaza social "experiment" mandated by the houses of Rothschild, Windsor, and Orange.

[Viper]

What do you mean by vengeance?...

Exactly, i'll bet this is how ww2 started and all the people were angry wanting revenge at hitler.
Revenge is not a concept i entertain personally.

[grapecrusher1]

Reports are coming in that United States President Barack Obama has requested a meeting with Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/barack-obama-request-talks-with-turkey-prime-minister-erdogan-4565422456

[InfoArsenal]

What do you mean by vengeance? George Bush was a master at sympathizing with those contemplating vengeance. So for the second time, did you sympathize with Churchill's decision on Dresden?

This was a state sponsored massacre, there are still activists in prison, 50 have been deported. The best act of vengeance I can think of is having thousands of journalists and activists getting into gaza and exposing the global prison industrial complex. Israel has lost all credibility and it is time to expose the Gaza social "experiment" mandated by the houses of Rothschild, Windsor, and Orange.

This is what I was thinking.

If one ship gets through they will keep coming and it's over for Israel's propaganda campaign.

@viper: I think it was more of Hitler helping catalyze the anger from the German people

[Dig]

Israel Holds Hundreds Seized During Raid on Flotilla
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/02/world/middleeast/02flotilla.html?pagewanted=print
By ISABEL KERSHNER and ALAN COWELL June 1, 2010

JERUSALEM — A day after Israeli commandoes raided an aid flotilla seeking to breach the blockade of Gaza, Israel held hundreds of activists seized aboard the convoy on Tuesday as news reports said activists may be planning a fresh attempt to ferry supplies to the Hamas-run enclave.

At the same time, the Israeli military said troops clashed with two militants who infiltrated from Gaza, killing them both. While such occurrences are almost routine along the volatile border between Israel and Gaza, the incident underscored the tensions seizing the region after Monday’s confrontation at sea, which strained relations between Israel and the United States just as American-sponsored proximity talks involving Palestinians and Israelis were getting under way.

The developments in Israel and Gaza came hours after the United Nations Security Council condemned “acts” leading to the loss of life in Israel’s operation in international waters on Monday that claimed the lives of nine civilians, many of them Turks. After hours of late-night negotiations, the Security Council urged an impartial inquiry — a call echoed in a separate forum by Russia and the European Union on Tuesday at a meeting of senior officials in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don.

For its part, Turkey, once seen as Israel’s most important friend in the Muslim world, recalled its ambassador and canceled planned military exercises with Israel as the countries’ already tense relations soured even further. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel was flying home after canceling a Tuesday meeting with President Obama.

Mr. Netanyahu defended the Israeli military’s actions, saying the commandos, enforcing what Israel says is a legal blockade, were set upon by passengers on the Turkish ship they boarded and fired only in self-defense. The military released a video of the early moments of the raid to support that claim.

Israel said the violence was instigated by pro-Palestinian activists who presented themselves as humanitarians but had come ready for a fight. Organizers of the flotilla accused the Israeli forces of opening fire as soon as they landed on the deck, and released videos to support their case. Israel released video taken from one of its vessels to supports its own account of events.

On Tuesday, activists promised more confrontation. Greta Berlin of the Free Gaza Movement that organized the flotilla said that another cargo boat was heading to Gaza from the coast of Italy while a second boat carrying some 35 passengers was expected to join it, The Associated Press reported.

“This initiative is not going to stop,” Ms. Berlin said from the group’s base in Cyprus. “We think eventually Israel will get some kind of common sense. They’re going to have to stop the blockade of Gaza, and one of the ways to do this is for us to continue to send the boats.”

Reuters reported that Israel was holding hundreds of activists incommunicado in and around the port city of Ashdod, refusing to permit journalists access to witnesses who might contradict Israel’s version of events. Around 50 of the passengers had volunteered to be deported but over 600 were refusing to be repatriated.

While the Israeli public seemed largely to support the navy, policy experts questioned preparations for the military operation, whether there had been an intelligence failure and whether the Israeli insistence on stopping the flotilla had been counterproductive. Some commentators were calling for the resignation of Ehud Barak, the defense minister.

“The government failed the test of results; blaming the organizers of the flotilla for causing the deaths by ignoring Israel’s orders to turn back is inadequate,” wrote Aluf Benn, a columnist for Haaretz, on the newspaper’s Web site on Monday, calling for a national committee of inquiry. “Decisions taken by the responsible authorities must be probed.”

The flotilla of six cargo ships and passenger boats was carrying 10,000 tons of aid for Gaza, where the Islamic militant group Hamas holds sway. But the raid and its deadly consequences have thrown Israel’s policy of blockading Gaza into the international limelight. The statement by the United Nations Security Council early on Tuesday stressed “the need for sustained and regular flow of goods and people to Gaza.”

Israel had vowed not to let the flotilla reach the shores of Gaza, where Hamas, an organization sworn to Israel’s destruction, took over by force in 2007.

Named the Freedom Flotilla, and led by the pro-Palestinian Free Gaza Movement and a Turkish organization, Insani Yardim Vakfi, the convoy had converged at sea near Cyprus and set out on the final leg of its journey on Sunday afternoon. Israel warned the vessels to abort their mission, describing it as a provocation.

The confrontation began shortly before midnight on Sunday when Israeli warships intercepted the aid flotilla, according to a person on one boat. The Israeli military warned the vessels that they were entering a hostile area and that the Gaza shore was under blockade.

The vessels refused the military’s request to dock at the Israeli port of Ashdod, north of Gaza, and continued toward their destination.

Around 4 a.m. on Monday, naval commandos came aboard the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, having been lowered by ropes from helicopters onto the decks.

At that point, the operation seems to have gone badly wrong.

Israeli officials say that the soldiers were dropped into an ambush and were attacked with clubs, metal rods and knives.

An Israeli official said that the navy was planning to stop five of the six vessels of the flotilla with large nets that interfere with propellers, but that the sixth was too large for that. The official said there was clearly an intelligence failure in that the commandos were expecting to face passive resistance, and not an angry, violent reaction.

The Israelis had planned to commandeer the vessels and steer them to Ashdod, where their cargo would be unloaded and, the authorities said, transferred overland to Gaza after proper inspection.

The military said in a statement that two activists were later found with pistols taken from Israeli commandos. It accused the activists of opening fire, “as evident by the empty pistol magazines.”

Another soldier said the orders were to neutralize the passengers, not to kill them.

But the forces “had to open fire in order to defend themselves,” the navy commander, Vice Adm. Eliezer Marom, said at a news conference in Tel Aviv, adding, “Their lives were at risk.”

At least seven soldiers were wounded, one of them seriously. The military said that some suffered gunshot wounds; at least one had been stabbed.

Einat Wilf, a Labor Party member of Parliament who sits on the influential Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, said that she had warned Mr. Barak and others well in advance that the flotilla was a public relations issue and should not be dealt with by military means.

The fatalities all occurred aboard the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish passenger vessel that was carrying about 600 activists under the auspices of Insani Yardim Vakfi, an organization also known as I.H.H. Israeli officials have characterized it as a dangerous Islamic organization with terrorist links.

Yet the organization, founded in 1992 to collect aid for the Bosnians, is now active in 120 countries and has been present at recent disaster areas like Haiti and New Orleans.

“Our volunteers were not trained military personnel,” said Yavuz Dede, deputy director of the organization. “They were civilians trying to get aid to Gaza. There were artists, intellectuals and journalists among them. Such an offensive cannot be explained by any terms.”

There were no immediate accounts available from the passengers of the Turkish ship, which arrived at the naval base in Ashdod on Monday evening, where nearly three dozen were arrested, many for not giving their names. The base was off limits to the news media and declared a closed military zone.

The Free Gaza Movement has organized several aid voyages since the summer of 2008, usually consisting of one or two vessels. The earliest ones were allowed to reach Gaza. Others have been intercepted and forced back, and one, last June, was commandeered by the Israeli Navy and towed to Ashdod. This six-boat fleet was the most ambitious attempt yet to break the blockade.


Isabel Kershner reported from Jerusalem, and Alan Cowell from London. Reporting was contributed by Sebnem Arsu from Istanbul, Dina Kraft from Tel Aviv, Rina Castelnuovo from Ashdod, Fares Akram from Gaza and Neil MacFarquhar from the United Nations.

[Dig]

The number killed continues to be reported as 9, does anyone have any official numbers?

[Viper]

...I think it was more of Hitler helping catalyze the anger from the German people

Yes, i was meaning that as we all know the war was controlled from both sides by the same hand the people needed a story to believe in and an enemy to go after.
This terrorist attack for example, setup by the israeli branch of the elite, carried out this massacre to bring anger onto "their own" peoples, giving the world the basis for a reaction and a target to place blame on.

[grapecrusher1]

What do you mean by vengeance? George Bush was a master at sympathizing with those contemplating vengeance. So for the second time, did you sympathize with Churchill's decision on Dresden?

This was a state sponsored massacre, there are still activists in prison, 50 have been deported. The best act of vengeance I can think of is having thousands of journalists and activists getting into gaza and exposing the global prison industrial complex. Israel has lost all credibility and it is time to expose the Gaza social "experiment" mandated by the houses of Rothschild, Windsor, and Orange.

So for the second time, did you sympathize with Churchill's decision on Dresden?

No of course not for a myriad of reasons not the least being-- excessive retribution -- after all the war was won at that point.  Which Vonnegut illustrated well in SlaughterHouse 5.
Definitely a poor analogy which is why I didnt address it the first time it was posed.

I grasp the best strategies of exacting revenge and the finesse required to pull it off, as you mention, but at a core level seeing a crowd of Israelis cheering and dancing, tauntingly, in front of the Turkish Embassy like it was their New Year when in fact their governement just killed some Turkish humanitarian volunteers is infuriating.  Sure you can look at it objectively and say the crowd was manipulated for political reasons but that does not change the repugnant human behaviour being displayed.

[InfoArsenal]

Sounds like Obama is going to be heading to Turkey with the USA's checkbook and a smile..

"So how many zeros will make this right?"

[Dig]

So for the second time, did you sympathize with Churchill's decision on Dresden?

No of course not for a myriad of reasons not the least being-- excessive retribution -- after all the war was won at that point.  Which Vonnegut illustrated well in SlaughterHouse 5.
Definitely a poor analogy which is why I didnt address it the first time it was posed.

I grasp the best strategies of exacting revenge and the finesse required to pull it off, as you mention, but at a core level seeing a crowd of Israelis cheering and dancing, tauntingly, in front of the Turkish Embassy like it was their New Year when in fact their governement just killed some Turkish humanitarian volunteers is infuriating.  Sure you can look at it objectively and say the crowd was manipulated for political reasons but that does not change the repugnant human behaviour being displayed.

And that is mainly the point. Many Americans believed that Arabs were cheering the 9/11 attacks before the "dancing israelis" were exposed, proof that old reels were used, and provocateur groups were outed. It is supposed to target your emotional and irrational state of mind...just like shock and awe strategies. This is the purpose of such obvious counter-productive demonstrations whether the protestors are aware of it or not.

[grapecrusher1]

And that is mainly the point. Many Americans believed that Arabs were cheering the 9/11 attacks before the "dancing israelis" were exposed, proof that old reels were used, and provocateur groups were outed. It is supposed to target your emotional and irrational state of mind...just like shock and awe strategies. This is the purpose of such obvious counter-productive demonstrations whether the protestors are aware of it or not.

Again, that is why I qualified my point with the word "sympathize" -- as in I understand the considerations of violence but that in no way means I condone or promote it, quite the opposite.  I am concerned that if the Turkish government appears too soft than the population may want to take matters into their  own hands.  Possibly this phone call meeting between Obama and Erdogan is meant to enhance this perception of softness or force Turkey's hand.
 

[mr anderson]

I'm monitoring a neo-con's blog for opposing views which is a good counter-weight to weigh up information gathered.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/israel_will_pay_for_hamas_provocation/

Gaza flotilla participants invoked killing of Jews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers (With Sound):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LulDJh4fWI

"Peace activists" stabbing IDF soldier:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buzOWKxN2co

Weapons Found on the Flotilla Ship Mavi Marmara Used by Activists Against IDF Soldiers:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvS9PXZ3RWM

Demonstrators Use Violence Against Israeli Navy Soldiers Attempting to Board Ship:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE

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Again, that is why I qualified my point with the word "sympathize" -- as in I understand the considerations of violence but that in no way means I condone or promote it, quite the opposite.  I am concerned that if the Turkish government appears too soft than the population may want to take matters into their  own hands.  Possibly this phone call meeting between Obama and Erdogan is meant to enhance this perception of softness or force Turkey's hand.
 

Perception of softness? In Turkey? Population taking matters into their own hands? The turkish people have been robbed of much of their freedoms since WWI when the British took over and enacted the deep state. The US/UK have been squashing any real grass roots for decades. Turkey and Israel are the number one trading partners in creating an Iranian nuke false flag. This has been exposed by Sibel Edmonds for over 5 years. Do not buy into the MSM bull crap. Turkey is as conflicted as Israel on matters involving NWO master agendas.

Here is a good starting point for the information: http://www.nowpublic.com/world/sibel-edmonds-deposition-deep-corruption-beneath-surface

Thanks for the clarification on your stand that although you can understand how this could be used to provoke irrational behavior, you yourself deplore such counter-productive ideals.