9 Killed/Hundreds Kidnapped by Israeli commandos who stormed Gaza Flotilla

[grapecrusher1]

UN Council meeting rather fair and critical of Israeli action.  live on PressTV
http://noliesradio.org/archives/16815

[chris jones]

Facts of deadly raid needed, Obama tells Israeli PM
http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Facts_of_deadly_raid_needed_Obama_t_05312010.html
Published: Monday May 31, 2010


President Barack Obama told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu it was important to find out "all the facts" of Monday's deadly flotilla raid as soon as possible, the White House said.

The two leaders spoke by telephone Monday as Netanyahu cancelled his visit to Washington, due on Tuesday, to return to Israel to deal with the crisis after an assault by Israeli forces on a Gaza-bound flotilla left at least nine dead.

Obama said he understood the decision, and the two "agreed to reschedule their meeting at the first opportunity," the White House said in a statement.

"The president expressed deep regret at the loss of life in today's incident, and concern for the wounded, many of whom are being treated in Israeli hospitals.

"The president also expressed the importance of learning all the facts and circumstances around this morning's tragic events as soon as possible," the statement added.

S.  Oby awaits the script from on high, he will dangle on his strings untill word from the top is given.  the drama unfolds, this being but a fraction of the entire plan.
     Adolf is applauding from the grave, or is it he was aware his methodry would continue? The New World Order..Afterall that was his standard rhetoric, a thousand point of lights(big daddy B.) was the first blast of rhetoric leading to the NWO.

[lovkarpin]

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Such a tool for the globalist agenda of depopulation, kinda sickening. had to comment though because your posts are just filled with hatred towards many innocent people.
If you really believe with all your heart that the destruction of Tel Aviv and mass murdering of thousands of innocent people even freedom loving civilians here will somehow help the world than you are a fool.

I live in Tel Aviv, my grandmother was born here and so did my father, Israel is the only place in the world I can call home. Tel aviv is probably the most sane place in Israel (or as sane as you can get) with thousands of people here who are not afraid to critisze the goverment and the IDF. I know hundreds, if not thousands, me included, that refused to draft to the IDF (its the law here to draft at the age of 18 for three years) because of the horrible genocide and apartheid measures the IDF and Israeli government are enforcing upon the Palestinian people.
not everyone is a horrible murderer here or a genocidal jewish fundamentalist.

Especially in the events with the flotilla today, its just amazing to talk with people here or listen to radio shows because it really seems like no matter how much of a mind controlled slave you are to the IDF (there are thousands of those here), a pacifist or whatever is your political views, everyone seems to agree here that the massacre conducted on that boat by the IDF is just WRONG.

There are even people here who are aware to the NWO and there are small internet communities similar to this one which are in hebrew and does talk about globalist agendas and especially Israel's terrible role in the NWO. Its hard to wake people up here because of the amounts of disinformation and blind alligance to the IDF, its just sick.

[Dig]

Such a tool for the globalist agenda of depopulation, kinda sickening. had to comment though because your posts are just filled with hatred towards many innocent people.
If you really believe with all your heart that the destruction of Tel Aviv and mass murdering of thousands of innocent people even freedom loving civilians here will somehow help the world than you are a fool.

I live in Tel Aviv, my grandmother was born here and so did my father, Israel is the only place in the world I can call home. Tel aviv is probably the most sane place in Israel (or as sane as you can get) with thousands of people here who are not afraid to critisze the goverment and the IDF. I know hundreds, if not thousands, me included, that refused to draft to the IDF (its the law here to draft at the age of 18 for three years) because of the horrible genocide and apartheid measures the IDF and Israeli government are enforcing upon the Palestinian people.
not everyone is a horrible murderer here or a genocidal jewish fundamentalist.

Especially in the events with the flotilla today, its just amazing to talk with people here or listen to radio shows because it really seems like no matter how much of a mind controlled slave you are to the IDF (there are thousands of those here), a pacifist or whatever is your political views, everyone seems to agree here that the massacre conducted on that boat by the IDF is just WRONG.

There are even people here who are aware to the NWO and there are small internet communities similar to this one which are in hebrew and does talk about globalist agendas and especially Israel's terrible role in the NWO. Its hard to wake people up here because of the amounts of disinformation and blind alligance to the IDF, its just sick.

whoah! missed that one earlier, sorry.

This forum does not promote pushing for a Dr. Strangelove solution on civilian populations no matter where they are. Not only is it insane from a moral standpoint, it is exactly what the NWO wants.

[rio]

Cynthia McKinney and Muhammed Rafeeg on TIU Radio 5-31-2010

Download mp3

This statement is hardly controlled opposition and used to get a person targeted back in 2001:

"This shocking outcome of an effort to bring humanitarian relief to the people of Gaza is in part a consequence of the ongoing, counterproductive Israeli blockade of Gaza. J Street has been and continues to be opposed to the blockade – believing that there are better ways to ensure Israel’s security and to prevent weapons smuggling than a complete closure of the Gaza Strip."

Again, I have heard they could be controlled opposition, but that statement does not seem to help in those opinions.

They're a Soros/Brezinski operation that was created to go along with Brand Obama's fake left faux peace agenda. Controlled opposition 100% from top to bottom.

[chris jones]

Such a tool for the globalist agenda of depopulation, kinda sickening. had to comment though because your posts are just filled with hatred towards many innocent people.
If you really believe with all your heart that the destruction of Tel Aviv and mass murdering of thousands of innocent people even freedom loving civilians here will somehow help the world than you are a fool.

I live in Tel Aviv, my grandmother was born here and so did my father, Israel is the only place in the world I can call home. Tel aviv is probably the most sane place in Israel (or as sane as you can get) with thousands of people here who are not afraid to critisze the goverment and the IDF. I know hundreds, if not thousands, me included, that refused to draft to the IDF (its the law here to draft at the age of 18 for three years) because of the horrible genocide and apartheid measures the IDF and Israeli government are enforcing upon the Palestinian people.
not everyone is a horrible murderer here or a genocidal jewish fundamentalist.

Especially in the events with the flotilla today, its just amazing to talk with people here or listen to radio shows because it really seems like no matter how much of a mind controlled slave you are to the IDF (there are thousands of those here), a pacifist or whatever is your political views, everyone seems to agree here that the massacre conducted on that boat by the IDF is just WRONG.

There are even people here who are aware to the NWO and there are small internet communities similar to this one which are in hebrew and does talk about globalist agendas and especially Israel's terrible role in the NWO. Its hard to wake people up here because of the amounts of disinformation and blind alligance to the IDF, its just sick.

lovkarpin.

Thank you, you have succeeded in bringing to light the fact that humanity(truth) is alive within a segment of Israel. Sadly those who are aware of the truth are in the minority, common sence dictates that we here in the USA are in the same bind as you folks, a minority.

In another post I responded with this..
 To generalize may not hit on it directly, please compare the amount of awakened citizens in IZY to the amount of truthers in the USA. It is a given the IZY citizenry are in FEAR, and much like here a controlled mentality. A population controled by fear are easly led. Adolf used this tactic, it has become a norm.

[grapecrusher1]

Such a tool for the globalist agenda of depopulation, kinda sickening. had to comment though because your posts are just filled with hatred towards many innocent people.
If you really believe with all your heart that the destruction of Tel Aviv and mass murdering of thousands of innocent people even freedom loving civilians here will somehow help the world than you are a fool.

I live in Tel Aviv, my grandmother was born here and so did my father, Israel is the only place in the world I can call home. Tel aviv is probably the most sane place in Israel (or as sane as you can get) with thousands of people here who are not afraid to critisze the goverment and the IDF. I know hundreds, if not thousands, me included, that refused to draft to the IDF (its the law here to draft at the age of 18 for three years) because of the horrible genocide and apartheid measures the IDF and Israeli government are enforcing upon the Palestinian people.
not everyone is a horrible murderer here or a genocidal jewish fundamentalist.

Especially in the events with the flotilla today, its just amazing to talk with people here or listen to radio shows because it really seems like no matter how much of a mind controlled slave you are to the IDF (there are thousands of those here), a pacifist or whatever is your political views, everyone seems to agree here that the massacre conducted on that boat by the IDF is just WRONG.

There are even people here who are aware to the NWO and there are small internet communities similar to this one which are in hebrew and does talk about globalist agendas and especially Israel's terrible role in the NWO. Its hard to wake people up here because of the amounts of disinformation and blind alligance to the IDF, its just sick.

I sympathize with the thoughts of vengeance.  Really enough is enough and mind control is no excuse for leniency. 

Did more than 80% of Israel support the most recent invasion of Gaza that killed over 1300 people mostly women and children?  This is the number I recall and dont know if it is a real number or conconcted for propaganda purposes.  Any thoughts on that subject since you live in Tel Aviv.

[Stan]

Sheikh Raed Salah shot in head, critical

Bethlehem – Ma'an -   Sheikh Raed Salah was critically injured by Israeli forces that attacked the Freedom Flotilla Monday morning, and was receiving treatment at Israel's Tel Hashomer Hospital for gunshot wound to head, sources said.

Israeli military sources said Salah was injured but not critical, and claimed he was not carrying identification.

Salah is the leader of the northern branch of the Islamic Movement in Israel. Massive protests are expected in the north, with Palestinian citizens of Israel already labeling the incident an attempted assassination.

more
http://uruknet.com/?p=m66511&hd=&size=1&l=e

Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy. Thanks.

[grapecrusher1]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that guy. Thanks.

Just heard he is in stable condition, apparently.

[Stan]

Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking (Defending against) IDF Soldiers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo

What a shoddy operation. I thought these guys were supposed to be good! Maybe they thought the pasengers would just fall down and worship them as they came aboard?

Though to be fair, I can't make out any shots being fired in either this or the birdseye view. That's not to say there wasn't but I'm not convinced either side is a completely reliable source of info. We all know what the IDF is like, but the reverse problem is we don't really know these passengers.

My main beef is their hijacking of the aid convoy in international waters though.

[rio]

Did more than 80% of Israel support the most recent invasion of Gaza that killed over 1300 people mostly women and children?  This is the number I recall and dont know if it is a real number or conconcted for propaganda purposes.  Any thoughts on that subject since you live in Tel Aviv.

This is true that a majority of Israelis supported Operation Cast Lead, just as most Israelis support mass murder of Iranians, but to be fair, there are many who can see through the propaganda.

[Viper]

Videos of Israeli commandos shooting dangerous peace activists:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSFwyWyVo74

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-Mk4bFz-U

http://www.infowars.com/gaza-aid-flotilla-israel-will-once-again-get-away-with-murder/

[foreverfree]

WOW.   even women and old men!   this is gonna be one hell of a shit storm

[Dig]

I sympathize with the thoughts of vengeance.  Really enough is enough and mind control is no excuse for leniency. 

Did more than 80% of Israel support the most recent invasion of Gaza that killed over 1300 people mostly women and children?  This is the number I recall and dont know if it is a real number or conconcted for propaganda purposes.  Any thoughts on that subject since you live in Tel Aviv.

What thoughts of vengeance do you speak of? Are you saying that Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are not war crimes? Over 90% of the people of Dresden supported Hitler, do you sympathize with Churchill's orders? This is how Brzezinski plays chess with pawns escalating each move.

BTW, Israel's oldest newspaper has condemned this bullshit:

Haaretz analysis: The government failed the test of results
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/haaretz-government-failed-test-results/
By Ron Brynaert Monday, May 31st, 2010 -- 1:58 pm

"The government failed the test of results," the editor at large for Israel's oldest leading newspaper writes in a blistering analysis calling for a full scale investigation of the deadly raid of a Gaza flotilla: an "act of protest [which resulted in] dead demonstrators and a grave international crisis."

"Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must return immediately from North America and convene a national committee of inquiry into Israel's interception of a Gaza aid convoy on Monday, during which at least nine activists were killed," Aluf Benn writes for Haaretz.

There is no other fitting or proper way to clarify the circumstances of the incident, which began as an act of protest and ended with dead demonstrators and a grave international crisis.

The government failed the test of results; blaming the organizers of the flotilla for causing the deaths by ignoring Israel's orders to turn back is inadequate. Decisions taken by the responsible authorities must be probed.

Nor can Monday's bloodshed be dismissed with claims that the demonstrators attacked IDF commandos with guns and other weapons. This type of excuse shifts responsibility from the political and military decision-makers to the soldiers, who acted in the heat of combat and for fear of their lives. It may be convenient to Netanyahu and his partners in government to present the battle as a local incident that escalated – but they cannot escape responsibility for the crisis.
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Benn, editor at large of the newspaper that has a small circulation in Israel but is considered very influential and is widely read in English on the Internet, continues,

A committee of inquiry would have to answer several salient questions:

Tactics. What prompted the decision to stop the flotilla by force - what course of action was presented to the politicians who made the decision and what analysis was made of the consequences of using live fire in any confrontation?

Were there any dissenting views, was there anyone how pointed to the inevitable damage to Israel from any operational failure? What steps were taken to forestall an escalation?

Alternatives. Was any effort made to stop the flotilla through diplomacy, or through negotiation and compromise with its organizers? Or did the government rush headlong into a confrontation, without any thought for the alternatives? Was there anyone who advocated letting the boats through to Gaza, rather than making them a test of Israel's sovereignty and might?

Turkey. What has the government done in the past year to improve ties with a strategically crucial neighbor? How has the prime minister worked to redress the damage to relations with Ankara?

The siege of Gaza. What is the purpose of the siege? Is it just an automatic extension of the previous government's policy, or does it have some practical aim? How much has the usefulness of the policy been discussed during the current government's year in office?

In 2009, Benn criticized President Obama in a New York Times editorial.

The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg wrote in July of 2009:

Shortly after I posted a link to Aluf Benn's New York Times op-ed on President Obama, I spoke to two senior administration officials who seemed to feel fairly strongly that Benn doesn't understand what the President is trying to do. In his piece, Benn argued that Obama has spoken to most everyone in the world except to the Israelis -- the Cairo speech to the Muslim world being the most obvious example of Obama's desire to re-set relationships -- and that until he allays Israeli fears, and explains his vision for the Middle East and for Israel's security, Israelis will mistrust him, to generally deleterious effect.

These two senior officials -- sorry, those were the ground rules -- made the plausible argument that the Cairo speech was, in fact, directed at Israelis as much as it was directed at Arabs. "The President went before a Cairo audience in a speech co-sponsored by Al-Azhar with Muslim Brotherhood members in the audience and spoke of America's strong, unshakable support for Israel," one of the officials said. "He could have gone to a million different venues to say this, but he went to Cairo, and it wasn't exactly an applause line. Isn't it more important to say this to the Muslim world than it is to say it to an audience of Israelis or American Jews?"

These two officials pointed out something that I forgot about the speech, which is that it contained strong condemnations of the cynical Arab ploy to use the Palestinian issue as a diversion (in other words, to keep the focus of unhappy Arabs on Israel and not on the weaknesses of their own anti-democratic, corrupt governments), and of course it contained an unequivocal denunciation of terrorism committed in the name of resistance.

[Kilika]

What a shoddy operation. I thought these guys were supposed to be good! Maybe they thought the pasengers would just fall down and worship them as they came aboard?

That part of the evidence that this was not what it is being claimed. Do you honestly thing real commandos would do this in this manner? This whole deal stinks. It's like a high school operation. I mean seriously, drop onto the deck right into a mass of pissed off people? That's a joke. Israel knows full well if an operation like this were to happen, the Arab world would explode with anger, and so it has, along with the rest of the world.

This wasn't anything but an illusion to stir the pot, and those people who keep screaming "the jews did it!" are the biggest suckers of them all. You've taken the bait hook, line, and sinker. The anger, and even hatred, being posted here in this thread is a perfect example of people's hateful anti-Israel delusions.

It's not the Jews or Arabs. One day maybe people will realize it and come to their senses and realize they've been played by the NWO and it's leader Satan himself.

God says, "Vengence is mine, I will repay". And I assure you that God will indeed take care of the evil in the Promise Land.

[Dig]

Protests erupt across world after Israeli raid
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/protests-erupt-world-israeli-raid/
By Agence France-Presse
Monday, May 31st, 2010 -- 2:34 pm

(AFP) - Tens of thousands of people joined angry protests across the world Monday after a deadly Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla, demanding retaliation and showing support for the Palestinians.

In Turkey crowds took to the streets in several cities to vent fury after the storming of a Turkish passenger boat in the flotilla that left at least nine dead, most of them believed to be Turkish nationals.

"Damn Israel!", "A tooth for a tooth, an eye for an eye, revenge, revenge!" yelled protesters in Istanbul where about 10,000 people converged on the central Taksim square after marching from the Israeli consulate.

"Turkish soldiers to Gaza," shouted some, as others torched Israeli flags.

"I call on the government to expel the Israeli consul... And if necessary, we are ready for war," Seref Mangal, 40, told AFP. A banner carried by the crowd read: "Close down the Zionist embassy."

In the capital Ankara about 1,000 people gathered outside the residence of Israeli ambassador Gabby Levy and shouted "Damn the Zionist murderers!" and "Israel will drown in the blood of the martyrs!".

They threw eggs and plastic bottles into the garden of the residency. Reports said demonstrations were held in dozens of cities across the country.

In London more than 1,000 people -- some of whom had friends on the ships carrying aid to blockaded Gaza -- protested outside the residence of British Prime Minister David Cameron and the Israeli embassy.

Chanting "Free Palestine" and brandishing the Palestinian flag and banners condemning Israeli "war crimes", activists blocked a major route through the capital. Hundreds of police stood guard outside the embassy.

"We have close friends on the boat on which people were killed and we are here waiting for news," said Kate Hudson, the chairwoman of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament.

In Paris about 500 people joined a noisy protest near the Israeli embassy, waving Palestinian flags and shouting "Palestine will survive, Palestine will conquer".

Scuffles broke out when a dozen rival protestors waving Israeli flags approached, prompting police to fire tear gas, but calm was soon restored. Another 1,300 people rallied in the city of Lille.

Greek police used tear gas to force back around 1,500 protesters outside the Israeli embassy in Athens, while another 2,000 people rallied in the northern city of Thessaloniki.

In Lebanon thousands of Palestinian refugees and activists waving Palestinian flags and banners marched in the country's 12 refugee camps.

"Where is the international community? Where are human rights?" they chanted in the Al-Bass camp in the southern coastal city of Tyre.

In Beirut hundreds gathered in the city centre called on Israeli embassies in the Arab world to be shut down and for Israeli ambassadors to be expelled.

At a demonstration of about 3,000 people at the Beddawi camp in the northern city of Tripoli, anger also turned on Israel's traditional ally, the United States.

"God is great and America is the greatest evil," they chanted. "Give us weapons, give us weapons and send us on to Gaza."

There were even demonstrations inside Israel, where hundreds of protestors flooded the streets of the northern Arab city of Nazareth as Israeli police raised the level of alert across the country and deployed reinforcements.

More than 2,000 people in Amman protested what Jordan's Information Minister Nabil Sharif dubbed a "heinous crime".

Demonstrators included Islamist opposition leaders and carried banners that read "We Will not Surrender" and "Break Gaza Blockade." They also demanded that Jordan shut down the Jewish state's embassy and expel the Israeli ambassador.

In Iran's capital Tehran, dozens of people pelted stones at the UN office chanting: "This savage regime of Israel must be wiped out."

They burnt the Israeli flag and tore up pictures of US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

In Pakistan politicians, lawmakers and journalists staged a peaceful protest in Islamabad, denouncing the killings and calling on the United Nations and the United States to intervene.

Hundreds of Bosnians marched through Sarajevo, brandishing Palestinian flags. "We wanted to raise our voice to denounce a new attempt at genocide in modern times," one of the organisers, Edvin Cudic, told Srna news agency.

Around 200 people demonstrated outside the UN's European headquarters in Geneva demanding an inquiry into the raid, while in the Netherlands 400 rallied outside the Israeli embassy in The Hague.

There were also protests in Egpyt while in Kuwait activists were planning rallies.

[Viper]

..Do you honestly thing real commandos would do this in this manner?

Murder innocents? Sure

This whole deal stinks. It's like a high school operation. I mean seriously, drop onto the deck right into a mass of pissed off people? That's a joke...

Indeed the puppetmasters probably care less for their own soldiers than their so-called enemies.

[Dig]

That part of the evidence that this was not what it is being claimed. Do you honestly thing real commandos would do this in this manner? This whole deal stinks. It's like a high school operation. I mean seriously, drop onto the deck right into a mass of pissed off people? That's a joke. Israel knows full well if an operation like this were to happen, the Arab world would explode with anger, and so it has, along with the rest of the world.

This wasn't anything but an illusion to stir the pot, and those people who keep screaming "the jews did it!" are the biggest suckers of them all. You've taken the bait hook, line, and sinker. The anger, and even hatred, being posted here in this thread is a perfect example of people's hateful anti-Israel delusions.

It's not the Jews or Arabs. One day maybe people will realize it and come to their senses and realize they've been played by the NWO and it's leader Satan himself.

God says, "Vengence is mine, I will repay". And I assure you that God will indeed take care of the evil in the Promise Land.

Who gave the orders, who provided the intel?

And your analysis warrants questions to be asked about who were these commandos, what branch, what was their support?What were their instructions? Did they think they were going to see some Al-CIA-duh and then got spooked with civilians? What the hell is going on over there and why do we keep sending arms!

Ronald Reagan did a lot of things wrong but one thing he did right was to get the f out of there."I will never understand Middle Eastern politics" -Reagan

Is this like the Dick Cheney: "Dress up some Navy Seals as Iranians" crap? More questions than answers right now. The UN and the EU ain't gonna save the world from zionazi psychopaths, you better believe it.

[Viper]

Is this like the Dick Cheney: "Dress up some Navy Seals as Iranians" crap?..

apparantely they forgot their disguises, but really they don't give a damn anymore, now salute the smack!

[grapecrusher1]

What thoughts of vengeance do you speak of? Are you saying that Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki are not war crimes? Over 90% of the people of Dresden supported Hitler, do you sympathize with Churchill's orders? This is how Brzezinski plays chess with pawns escalating each move.

BTW, Israel's oldest newspaper has condemned this bullshit:

Haaretz articles often run the gamut from rational to highly irrational.

I am not calling for Israel to be turned to glass.  But it behaves like a rabid dog which is bad for the worlds health and at the very least should be defanged and quarantined.  

(a)  Stop military funding and begin disarming immediately
(b)  Contain the country within the demarcated lines determined by the UN Security Resolution of 1967 immediately
(c)  Force Israel to make equitable reparation to its victims immediately (Lebanon, Gaza, etc)  

This is just a pipe dream and not reality based.

[lovkarpin]

I sympathize with the thoughts of vengeance.  Really enough is enough and mind control is no excuse for leniency. 

Did more than 80% of Israel support the most recent invasion of Gaza that killed over 1300 people mostly women and children?  This is the number I recall and dont know if it is a real number or conconcted for propaganda purposes.  Any thoughts on that subject since you live in Tel Aviv.

I cant remember what percentage supported that invasion but the propaganda machine was working overtime here with pictures and film of towns which are geographically close to the gaza strip being shut down because of the "kasam" (small homemade missile) bombarding. But I can assure you that many citizens here did thought that using military power will magically stop the "bad" arabs from "killing" us. that's what many people think, and the media here paints a picture that using force is the only solution.
Every election campaign the main slogan of either party is "PEACE" (either left, right or the most fake and dangerous "middle"), kinda ridicules but it sells so good because i can bet my life on the fact that a huge majority here just really want peace and not "death to all arabs/muslims". how to achieve that peace ? thats where the "government officials" and IDF (Israeli DEFENSE[?!?] force) come in and spread their orders of death and destruction.

I just dont agree with that "vengeance" attitude you have.
With that in mind, do you think that the people of Iraq should sympathize with "vengeance upon the US"?. after all more than 1million are dead since the American occupation of Iraq.
Its just a never ending circle that blame game of "fight fire with fire", try to satisfy your "sympahy with vengeance" with a hobbie maybe, but dont spread hate and death threats upon innocent people.

The situation is so complex here in Israel. as a simple example, just think what the US has been going through for the past 9 years (since 9/11), with all the fear mongering and oggieboggie Osama Bin Laden fairy tales about how he is going to kill all americans if we dont use deadly force upon all muslims (obviously a generalization to some degree, but im sure you will get the point).
That's the propaganda people are being fed in Israel for centuries.
Even though in my opinion the cause is not lost here, just because we have a majority of sheeple here doesnt mean we should all be nuked. Same can be said on many countries which isnt very fair and doesnt get us any closer to expose the NWO and trial the globalist psychos for crimes against humanity.

[grapecrusher1]

Thank you for your response lovkarpin, and I hope my last post sheds some light on what I think is a realistic approach and not my impulsive thoughts which I would not call to act upon and are qualified by the phrase "I sympathize.."

To answer your question regarding Iraq my sentiments are completely mirrored.  It is horrifying the toll that country has suffered in some great world chess board gambit that is shrouded in deception and ploys with the truth being untenable and elusive for most.

Btw I am Canadian and we are "only" responsible for colonial conquest in Afghanistan and tacit approval with all the other crap.

cheers

[Jackson Holly]

At least Israel didn't send in the drone planes and blow the ships up ...
like another country (to remain un-named) likes to do.

[Stan]

At least Israel didn't send in the drone planes and blow the ships up ...
like another country (to remain un-named) likes to do.

I'm sure the torpedo boats were on standby.

[Viper]

www.whatreallyhappened.com now offline, no surprises then.

[spangler]

www.whatreallyhappened.com now offline, no surprises then.

back online now

[sharpsteve]

Fox news is reporting 9 killed on their news crawl. Not much coverage of this at all on the MSM.

[Viper]

US activist loses eye after being shot in face with tear gas canister
http://palsolidarity.org/2010/05/12604/


31 May 2010: An American solidarity activist was shot in the face with a tear gas canister during a demonstration in Qalandiya, today. Emily Henochowicz is currently in Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem undergoing surgery to remove her left eye, following the demonstration that was held in protest to Israel’s murder of at least 10 civilians aboard the Gaza Freedom Flotilla in international waters this morning.
[...]

[Kilika]

Who gave the orders, who provided the intel?

And your analysis warrants questions to be asked about who were these commandos, what branch, what was their support?What were their instructions? Did they think they were going to see some Al-CIA-duh and then got spooked with civilians? What the hell is going on over there and why do we keep sending arms!

Ronald Reagan did a lot of things wrong but one thing he did right was to get the f out of there."I will never understand Middle Eastern politics" -Reagan

Is this like the Dick Cheney: "Dress up some Navy Seals as Iranians" crap? More questions than answers right now. The UN and the EU ain't gonna save the world from zionazi psychopaths, you better believe it.

There's a ton of questions that we don't have, including the actual players in this. I'd like to know those things myself. I basically think the commandos themselves were just drawing a paycheck, but who gave the orders? Of course I don't know the actual chain of command there, but it is the intent of the orders that is the question also. What did they really hope to accomplish with this action? I don't doubt there was false info told to some involved to get them to do things they normally would question. That's how evil works, it lies. I believe all of this is leading to a central event in the Middle East that the world will welcome, but won't like the results in the end. I believe all the world is being focused on Israel for a reason, a biblical reason. And I believe that reason is to finally put an end to the NWO as the world calls it. Bible prophecy explains it all. That is my belief. Time will show it true or false.

See, we have a fundamental problem in this discussion and in general with people making sense of all this insanity. What I believe to be the root of this is based on my faith, so there are answers I give that some here will outright dismiss because it is based on what I believe the bible to say about stuff like this. It is my beliefs, and I should do a better job noting that it is my beliefs. I don't want to sidetrack the thread with the details of my beliefs on this. So I'll just leave with saying that what people are calling the bad guys and good guys are all bad guys. They are governments directed by Satan himself, even though virtually none of the government workers realize who they really work for, and many don't even believe in Satan.

The elites in charge of the NWO think they came up with their evil plans all on their own! Talk about arrogance. Satan is false-flagging the whole world and they dont even know it. That's what I believe.

[spangler]

Absolutely unbef@#$%lievable apologetics coming out of the Israeli media.

They're really serious about this, turning reality on its head, painting themselves as victims and the unarmed peaceful civilians as the dangerous criminals. Oh wait.. that's what Israel aways does...

Soldier: Activists came for war
(Video) Video footage shows brutal attack on troops on board Gaza-bound vessel; soldier says passengers fired at forces, beat them severely using metal bats, knives. ‘We landed barehanded, and they lynched us,’ he says

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897046,00.html

[chris jones]

Absolutely unbef@#$%lievable apologetics coming out of the Israeli media.

They're really serious about this, turning reality on its head, painting themselves as victims and the unarmed peaceful civilians as the dangerous criminals. Oh wait.. that's what Israel aways does...

Soldier: Activists came for war
(Video) Video footage shows brutal attack on troops on board Gaza-bound vessel; soldier says passengers fired at forces, beat them severely using metal bats, knives. ‘We landed barehanded, and they lynched us,’ he says

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897046,00.html

The spin is in!!!!!!!!

[Kilika]

(Video) Video footage shows brutal attack on troops on board Gaza-bound vessel; soldier says passengers fired at forces, beat them severely using metal bats, knives. ‘We landed barehanded, and they lynched us,’ he says

Well maybe they shouldn't have "landed" at all and just stayed home. Now that is old school Israeli whining.

[chris jones]

There's a ton of questions that we don't have, including the actual players in this. I'd like to know those things myself. I basically think the commandos themselves were just drawing a paycheck, but who gave the orders? Of course I don't know the actual chain of command there, but it is the intent of the orders that is the question also. What did they really hope to accomplish with this action? I don't doubt there was false info told to some involved to get them to do things they normally would question. That's how evil works, it lies. I believe all of this is leading to a central event in the Middle East that the world will welcome, but won't like the results in the end. I believe all the world is being focused on Israel for a reason, a biblical reason. And I believe that reason is to finally put an end to the NWO as the world calls it. Bible prophecy explains it all. That is my belief. Time will show it true or false.

See, we have a fundamental problem in this discussion and in general with people making sense of all this insanity. What I believe to be the root of this is based on my faith, so there are answers I give that some here will outright dismiss because it is based on what I believe the bible to say about stuff like this. It is my beliefs, and I should do a better job noting that it is my beliefs. I don't want to sidetrack the thread with the details of my beliefs on this. So I'll just leave with saying that what people are calling the bad guys and good guys are all bad guys. They are governments directed by Satan himself, even though virtually none of the government workers realize who they really work for, and many don't even believe in Satan.

The elites in charge of the NWO think they came up with their evil plans all on their own! Talk about arrogance. Satan is false-flagging the whole world and they dont even know it. That's what I believe.

Mossad-deception.......The right hand of the controllers.

[larsonstdoc]

There is so many pages to go back through to see if this has been reported here.  It blew my mind when I heard it.

On CNN (Rick Sanchez),  the Israeli Ambassador to the US (Oren) reported that the commandoes came aboard with PAINTBALL  GUNS and when things got of hand there drew their REAL WEAPONS.

I surely don't believe this!!

[Dig]

There is so many pages to go back through to see if this has been reported here.  It blew my mind when I heard it.

On CNN (Rick Sanchez),  the Israeli Ambassador to the US (Oren) reported that the commandoes came aboard with PAINT GUNS and when things got of hand there drew their REAL WEAPONS.

I surely don't believe this!!

you gotta be shitting me!

was there a war game going on?

wow!

[chris jones]

Well maybe they shouldn't have "landed" at all and just stayed home. Now that is old school Israeli whining.

Many of the public will buy this BS,,,they landed barehanded...barehanded my arsse. Lil John Q can put his head back in the sand, the comandos were attacked, all is well in abaa daba land..

They, controllers, wanted this or it would have been avoided...A volley acroos their bow would have done it.  The big dogs had been tracking these vessels, they could have stopped them without this commando Horse shiite and they knew it...
It is never the truth, is what they want it to be told!!!!!!!!! Oby just got his script............

[psy0ps]

There is so many pages to go back through to see if this has been reported here.  It blew my mind when I heard it.

On CNN (Rick Sanchez),  the Israeli Ambassador to the US (Oren) reported that the commandoes came aboard with PAINT BALL GUNS and when things got of hand there drew their REAL WEAPONS.

I surely don't believe this!!

Yes they are claiming they came onboard with paintball guns for an ANTI TERRORIST OPERATION.
Lead pipes and marbles are being considered weapon making material!
WTF!?

[larsonstdoc]

you gotta be shitting me!

was there a war game going on?

wow!

  That's what I heard TWICE.  I still can't believe what I heard.  I am trying to find a story on it.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-navy-commandos-gaza-flotilla-activists-tried-to-lynch-us-1.293089


The Paintball guns

Israel Navy commandos: Gaza flotilla activists tried to lynch us
Nine activists on board Gaza-bound flotilla killed in violent clashes when Israel Navy commandos boarded ships; 7 commandos hurt, 2 seriously.

By Amos Harel,    Avi Issacharoff,    Anshel Pfeffer    and News Agencies
Tags: Gaza aid Freedom flotilla
Story Highlights

Confrontation took place in international waters
Israel says six-ship flotilla ignored orders to turn back from course to Gaza
IDF: Activists on board attacked lone commando with iron bars, opened fire
Activists on board a six-ship flotilla carrying aid to the Gaza Strip tried to lynch the Israel Navy commandos who boarded their Turkish-flagged boat early Monday, Israel Defense Forces sources told Haaretz on Monday afternoon. At least nine people were killed and several more were wounded in the fighting that erupted aboard one of the ships.

The IDF confirmed that at least seven Navy commandos had been wounded, two of them seriously, in a fight which apparently broke out after activists tried to seize their weapons.

The commandos, who intercepted the Turkish ferry Mavi Marmara after it ignored orders to turn back from its course to Gaza, said they had encountered violent resistance from activists armed with sticks and knives. According to the commandos, the activists threw one of the soldiers from the upper deck to the lower after they boarded. The organizers of the flotilla said the troops opened fire first.

An Israeli military spokesman said some of the commandos were equipped with paintball guns but the non-lethal weapons were not enough against activists who charged in with batons.

"They had pistols with live ammunition as back-up, to defend themselves," he said. The IDF said it had confiscated two pistols from the boat.

One of the commandos told reporters he descended by rope from a helicopter onto one of the six ships in the convoy and was immediately attacked by a group of people waiting for them.

"They beat us with metal sticks and knives," he said. "There was live fire at some point against us."

A Reuters cameraman on the Israel Navy ship Kidon, sailing close to the convoy, said IDF commanders monitoring the operation were surprised by the strong resistance put up by the pro-Palestinian activists.

One of the commandos said some of the soldiers were stripped of their helmets and equipment and a several were tossed from the top deck to a lower deck, forcing them to jump into the sea to escape.

"They jumped me, hit me with clubs and bottles and stole my rifle," one of the commandos said. "I pulled out my pistol and had no choice but to shoot."

   
A left-wing activist on board the Gaza flotilla holding a knife after Israel Navy commandos boarded their ship on May 31, 2010.

The soldiers said they were forced to open fire after the activists struck one of their comrades in the head and trampled on him. A senior IDF field commander ordered the soldiers then to respond with fire, a decision which the commandos said received full backing the military echelon.

The IDF said its rules of engagement allowed troops to open fire in what it called a "life-threatening situation".

"Navy fighters took control of six ships that tried to violate the naval blockade [of the Gaza Strip]," said a statement from the IDF. "During the takeover, the soldiers encountered serious physical violence by the protesters, who attacked them with live fire."

Elite troops from Shayetet 13, a naval commando unit, boarded the protest boats at around 4:00 A.M. Al Jazeera reported Monday morning that the Gaza aid flotilla had changed course to avoid a confrontation with Israeli warships.

Some 700 pro-Palestinian activists were on the boats, including 1976 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, European legislators. The boats were carrying 10,000 tons of humanitarian aid and supplies to Gaza.

   
A man wounded aboard a Gaza-bound aid convoy arrives at an Israeli hospital, May 31, 2010

Photo by: Ofer Vaknin
The Israel Navy had been operating under the assumption that the activists manning the boats would not heed their calls to turn around, and Israeli troops had been prepared to board the ships to steer them away from the Gaza shores toward the Israeli port city of Ashdod.

Huwaida Arraf, one of the flotilla organizers, said the conv9oy began the journey from international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday afternoon, after two days of delays. According to organizers, the flotilla had been expected to reach Gaza, about 400 kilometers away, on Monday afternoon, and two more ships had been expected to follow in a second wave.

[Kilika]

Mossad-deception.......The right hand of the controllers.

That is exactly what I'm talking about. You say "Mossad", but you do realize they are just a tool of those really in charge? There is no right hand or left hand, it's all one single hand playing the crowd. All the rest is just story clutter to confuse people, just like the accusor likes it. Stir everybody up and get them pointing the finger at each other and calling each other names and get them to use certain catch words as triggers for divisions in the minds of people, like the word "Mossad", or "Gaza", or "intifada". It's all the same con job. That's what I believe to be the case.