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« Reply #680 on: June 02, 2010, 07:00:58 PM »

this is from quite a hardcore neocon/war-mongering website but still highly critical of the entire operation:

Why was Israeli raider force unprepared for violent resistance?
http://www.debka.com/article/8824/

"...The entire episode bespeaks faulty intelligence on what was going on aboard the six vessels bound for Gaza, although the information was available from daily live broadcasts and easy access to visitors.
And another question:  The IDF is famous for its innovative electronic warfare capabilities. So why were the signals and images coming from the convoy not jammed as promised and allowed to reach world TV screens hours before the authorities responsible for Israeli information woke up?
And finally, why did the interception take place 80 miles out to sea in international waters, thereby fueling the complaint that Israel broke international law? The blockade zone is 20 nautical miles deep from Gaza. An Israeli raid at that limit would have been easier to justify."

this whole thing sticks so badly and still the propaganda machine in Israel tries to justify everything by calling everyone who was on board a violent terrorist and highlighting the fact that Gaza doesnt need any humanitarian aid hence labeling the whole episode as a terrorist attack on Israeli soldiers and Israel itself Huh Huh
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« Reply #681 on: June 02, 2010, 07:02:07 PM »

Why?

Why would he buck GE? I smell a rat with a big head.


he must be friends with the guy. olbermann has the job because he is predictable. just put a quote by palin on his desk and he will devote 15 minutes on it. but he does every once in a while gives us a few minutes of truth. 55 minutes of his show was partisan hackery, that 5 minutes was just humanity getting sick of the lies.

he dd something similar when he went batshit crazy about the RNC using 9/11 videos. he almost got canned for it.
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« Reply #682 on: June 02, 2010, 07:04:27 PM »

this is from quite a hardcore neocon/war-mongering website but still highly critical of the entire operation:

Why was Israeli raider force unprepared for violent resistance?
http://www.debka.com/article/8824/

"...The entire episode bespeaks faulty intelligence on what was going on aboard the six vessels bound for Gaza, although the information was available from daily live broadcasts and easy access to visitors.
And another question:  The IDF is famous for its innovative electronic warfare capabilities. So why were the signals and images coming from the convoy not jammed as promised and allowed to reach world TV screens hours before the authorities responsible for Israeli information woke up?
And finally, why did the interception take place 80 miles out to sea in international waters, thereby fueling the complaint that Israel broke international law? The blockade zone is 20 nautical miles deep from Gaza. An Israeli raid at that limit would have been easier to justify."

this whole thing sticks so badly and still the propaganda machine in Israel tries to justify everything by calling everyone who was on board a violent terrorist and highlighting the fact that Gaza doesnt need any humanitarian aid hence labeling the whole episode as a terrorist attack on Israeli soldiers and Israel itself Huh Huh


yup, it looks like a setup and those that keep defending this BS rather than calling for an investigation are only serving the puppet masters and chess masters at the expense of the world population.
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« Reply #683 on: June 02, 2010, 07:05:21 PM »

i forgot the words "self determination" on those lands sane.

but if Israel was forced to give back those lands with say a international blockade and defunding move then they would play nice and then infiltrate the new Palestinian government, take it over from the inside and declare with it a new state of Israel encompassing both peoples land within a year or two.    

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« Reply #684 on: June 02, 2010, 07:11:17 PM »

i forgot the words "self determination" on those lands sane.

but if Israel was forced to give back those lands with say a international blockade and defunding move then they would play nice and then infiltrate the new Palestinian government, take it over from the inside and declare with it a new state of Israel encompassing both peoples land within a year or two.    



only if they keep allowing counter-productive warmongerers to stay in the halls of power. just like the US/UK with about 100 countries.
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« Reply #685 on: June 02, 2010, 07:12:02 PM »

What can we as Americans do?

1- US cuts off financial aid to Israel?


A nice symbolic gesture, but cutting off US welfare would not handicap Israel. Israel is owned by the richest banking dynasty in world history, and they or any one of twenty other banking dynasties could replace any gap in the Israeli budget left by the removal of US aid- measured against the huge profits collected from usury, money laundering, drug sales, rigged markets, and other financial crimes, a replacement of US aid in the Israeli budget would be like pocket change from under their couch cushions. Cutting off US welfare to Israel would embarrass them but would not curtail Israel's future plans for regional genocide.

At this point, the continued US aid to Israel seems to be necessary to Zionism mostly because it serves to humiliate the US population. Paying taxes towards the development of the crown jewel of the Zionist empire at the same time that we are paying interest to rent our own money supply from the very same criminal network, that reinforces the defeatist attitude in America that nothing can be done about Zionism by Americans even if the citizens asked for an end to that support. The US welfare continues because it's like a rattle of the jailer's keys on the prison bars. It's meant to taunt us- they can get by fine without the actual money.

2- US cuts off military support for Israel?

Might have had considerable impact if we had taken that course in the 1950's and 1960's, but in 2010, it seems to be too late. Once they got the nukes, they got the trump card. Once they assembled all their nukes, they had all they needed at a minimum to deter an attack and pretty much all they needed to menace even other nuclear-armed states. I don't see any leverage available here.

3- Can we extricate ourselves from Zionism through the vote?

No. We live in a country with a controlled media, and it is mandatory that every candidate for national office be asked the question, "Do you support Israel?"- and the answer had better be very close to an unqualified 'Yes', or the media will swarm with rabid vengeance.  Opposition of Israel is now classified as interchangeable and synonymous with opposition to America itself. Such views make you a suspect, a potential enemy combatant. You can't force this debate into our political arena if even inquiring about the potential existence of an opposing viewpoint brands you as a racist or as a supporter of terrorism.

We are a crippled, docile people, disorganized mentally, swinging at phantom enemies, too dumb to even see that we are paying the bills for the gallows that we are marching towards. Genuine opposition to Zionism will remain a fringe movement in America until a very loud wake up call shocks the cattle into lucidity, and that wake up call will not come until we're on the doorstep of a total economic collapse/police state/FEMA camp future. Too late at that point, way too late. We are just so dumb. The fear against criticizing Zionism comes from a suspicion that the wrath of the system will turn on you, but don't people get it??? You're on the same road whether you speak out or not. There IS NO other road in America. It's a communal journey, to one destination.

Americans are purely media-guided creatures at this stage, and without positive reinforcement for anti-Zionist views in the media ( not just the internet ), any brief outrage against Israel that seeps into the edges of mass consciousness ( like now ) will wither on the vine. Americans can barely grasp how this fear came to be part of their daily lives, but they will continue to respect the fear-driven rule bred into them: Thou shalt not defy Israel, or you will become a target. Israel can kill and kill and kill and kill, and Americans for the most part will stay on the sidelines, begging for some pop culture nonsense or sports to distract them.


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« Reply #686 on: June 02, 2010, 07:15:17 PM »

he must be friends with the guy. olbermann has the job because he is predictable. just put a quote by palin on his desk and he will devote 15 minutes on it. but he does every once in a while gives us a few minutes of truth. 55 minutes of his show was partisan hackery, that 5 minutes was just humanity getting sick of the lies.

he dd something similar when he went batshit crazy about the RNC using 9/11 videos. he almost got canned for it.

Off topic - but I found this article; maybe Keith is looking for ratings... ok by me if he's finally going to expose some truth:

      
Keith Olbermann Defends 'Countdown' Ratings, Claims Right Wing Smear Campaign (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/keith-olbermann-defends-c_n_451482.html
Updated: 04- 7-10 05:12 AM

Keith Olbermann defended his show Thursday against reports that it is in danger of being canceled over declining ratings.

(more at source link)

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« Reply #687 on: June 02, 2010, 07:25:35 PM »


  Thanks.
  I gotcha!  Ezekiel 38.

  So what's your timetable for the Magog Invasion dok?
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« Reply #688 on: June 02, 2010, 07:25:46 PM »

What can we as Americans do?

1- US cuts off financial aid to Israel?


A nice symbolic gesture, but cutting off US welfare would not handicap Israel. Israel is owned by the richest banking dynasty in world history, and they or any one of twenty other banking dynasties could replace any gap in the Israeli budget left by the removal of US aid- measured against the huge profits collected from usury, money laundering, drug sales, rigged markets, and other financial crimes, a replacement of US aid in the Israeli budget would be like pocket change from under their couch cushions. Cutting off US welfare to Israel would embarrass them but would not curtail Israel's future plans for regional genocide.

At this point, the continued US aid to Israel seems to be necessary to Zionism mostly because it serves to humiliate the US population. Paying taxes towards the development of the crown jewel of the Zionist empire at the same time that we are paying interest to rent our own money supply from the very same criminal network, that reinforces the defeatist attitude in America that nothing can be done about Zionism by Americans even if the citizens asked for an end to that support. The US welfare continues because it's like a rattle of the jailer's keys on the prison bars. It's meant to taunt us- they can get by fine without the actual money.

2- US cuts off military support for Israel?

Might have had considerable impact if we had taken that course in the 1950's and 1960's, but in 2010, it seems to be too late. Once they got the nukes, they got the trump card. Once they assembled all their nukes, they had all they needed at a minimum to deter an attack and pretty much all they needed to menace even other nuclear-armed states. I don't see any leverage available here.

3- Can we extricate ourselves from Zionism through the vote?

No. We live in a country with a controlled media, and it is mandatory that every candidate for national office be asked the question, "Do you support Israel?"- and the answer had better be very close to an unqualified 'Yes', or the media will swarm with rabid vengeance.  Opposition of Israel is now classified as interchangeable and synonymous with opposition to America itself. Such views make you a suspect, a potential enemy combatant. You can't force this debate into our political arena if even inquiring about the potential existence of an opposing viewpoint brands you as a racist or as a supporter of terrorism.

We are a crippled, docile people, disorganized mentally, swinging at phantom enemies, too dumb to even see that we are paying the bills for the gallows that we are marching towards. Genuine opposition to Zionism will remain a fringe movement in America until a very loud wake up call shocks the cattle into lucidity, and that wake up call will not come until we're on the doorstep of a total economic collapse/police state/FEMA camp future. Too late at that point, way too late. We are just so dumb. The fear against criticizing Zionism comes from a suspicion that the wrath of the system will turn on you, but don't people get it??? You're on the same road whether you speak out or not. There IS NO other road in America. It's a communal journey, to one destination.

Americans are purely media-guided creatures at this stage, and without positive reinforcement for anti-Zionist views in the media ( not just the internet ), any brief outrage against Israel that seeps into the edges of mass consciousness ( like now ) will wither on the vine. Americans can barely grasp how this fear came to be part of their daily lives, but they will continue to respect the fear-driven rule bred into them: Thou shalt not defy Israel, or you will become a target. Israel can kill and kill and kill and kill, and Americans for the most part will stay on the sidelines, begging for some pop culture nonsense or sports to distract them.



The president asked Congress last week to authorize new funding for the war in Iraq, which was not paid for in the wasteful budget recently passed in the House of Representatives.  You might assume that Congress would simply approve legislation that pays for military supplies and hardware, troop wages, ammunition, fuel, food, and the like.  In other words, the bread and butter items that our troops need to prosecute the war in Iraq.  

But nothing is simple in Washington.  Congress could not resist the opportunity to put its hands in taxpayers’ pockets by adding 20 billion dollars in completely unrelated spending to the final bill.  In essence, Congress is so addicted to spending that it will use any opportunity, even a war, to spend money for every conceivable reason- however unrelated to the war in Iraq.

We must understand that America is in a financial crisis.  Tax revenues are down due to the faltering economy, but congressional spending has exploded by more than 22% in just two years.  As a result, annual deficits have risen rapidly, and the national debt now approaches 6.5 trillion dollars.  Almost all of this new spending has been completely unrelated to homeland defense or national security concerns.  The same old failed domestic agencies and special-interest pork programs have received the bulk of the dollars.  While Congress should fund constitutional federal functions like national defense, our very solvency as a nation is being threatened by unconstitutional spending.

Here are some examples of what ended up in the “war funding” bill:

-$3.2 billion for an airline bailout-even though the airlines always seem to be troubled and always feel they deserve tax money.  If we bail out the airlines, why not the hotels, restaurants, and rental car agencies that have been affected by 9-11 and the war in Iraq? Why not every industry that’s suffering?;
-$125 million for congressional security, to make sure members are safe even if the country is not;
-$11 million for salaries and expenses for the House of Representatives, who already approved a pay raise for themselves last Fall;
-$250 million for Department of Agriculture grants;
-$69 million for something called the Bill Emerson Humanitarian Trust;
-$5.5 million for the Library of Congress;
-$6.8 million for the Congressional Research Service and General Accounting Office;
-$100,000 for the U.S. Court of International Trade.

The bill also includes $8 billion in foreign aid, which is especially egregious given the state of the American economy.  How can we ask taxpayers to send billions abroad with things so tough for many here at home?

The $ 8 billion includes:

-$1 billion in "economic assistance" for Turkey, even though they refused to let America use its bases to stage our assault on Iraq and have only grudgingly allowed use of its airspace;
-$700 million for Jordan;
-$500 million for Egypt;
-$127 million for Afghanistan;
-$1 billion in for Israel;
-$175 million for Pakistan;
-$170 million to train the “Afghan National Army";

and the list goes on and on.  All of this is of course in addition to the standard foreign aid we send these nations and many others every year.

These are just some examples of how Congress takes every possible opportunity to spend your money, even when it should be focused on the war in Iraq.  Was it really too much to ask for a clean bill to fund the president's request, a bill unencumbered by pork handouts and useless foreign aid?  Apparently not even war can prevent Congress from shamelessly sticking its hands in your pockets while cloaking itself in “support the troops” rhetoric.



The Middle East Quagmire by Dr. Ron Paul
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=383
November 15, 2004

The death of PLO chairman Yasser Arafat last week once again brings the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to the international forefront.  The Bush administration finds itself in an uncomfortable but familiar role as peacemaker for yet another intractable, ancient, and deadly Middle East conflict.  The popular press and political world both accept without question the notion that the United States is somehow responsible for resolving any and all conflicts around the globe, but especially in Palestine.

We conveniently forget, however, that American tax dollars militarized the entire region in the first place.  We give Israel about $3 billion each year, but we also give Egypt $2 billion. Most other Middle East countries get money too, some of which ends up in the hands of Palestinian terrorists.  Both sides have far more military weapons as a result. Talk about adding fuel to the fire! Our foolish and unconstitutional foreign aid has produced more violence, not less.

Congress and each successive administration pledge their political, financial, and military support for Israel. Yet while we call ourselves a strong ally of the Israeli people, we send billions in foreign aid every year to some Muslim states that many Israelis regard as enemies. From the Israeli point of view, many of the same Islamic nations we fund with our tax dollars want to destroy the Jewish state. Many average Israelis and American Jews see America as hypocritically hedging its bets.

This illustrates perfectly the inherent problem with foreign aid: once we give money to one country, we have to give it to all the rest or risk making enemies. This is especially true in the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, where our financial support for one side is seen as an act of aggression by the other.  Just as our money never makes Israel secure, it doesn’t buy us any true friends elsewhere in the region.  On the contrary, many Muslims hate the United States despite the billions we give to their governments.

It is time to challenge the notion that it is our job to broker peace in the Middle East and every other troubled region across the globe. America can and should use every diplomatic means at our disposal to end the violence in the West Bank, but we should draw the line at any further entanglement.  Third-party outsiders cannot impose political solutions in Palestine or anywhere else. Peace can be achieved only when self-determination operates freely in all nations. “Peace plans” imposed by outsiders or the UN cause resentment and seldom produce lasting peace.

Respect for self-determination really is the cornerstone of a sensible foreign policy, yet many Americans who strongly support U.S. sovereignty advocate interventionist policies that deny other nations that same right. The interventionist approach that has dominated American foreign policy since World War I has produced an unmitigated series of disasters. From Korea to Vietnam to Kosovo to the Middle East, American military and economic meddling has made numerous conflicts worse, not better. Washington and Jefferson had it right when they warned against entangling alliances, and the history of the 20th century proves their point. The simple truth is that we cannot resolve every human conflict across the globe, and there will always be violence somewhere on earth.  The fatal conceit lies in believing America can impose geopolitical solutions wherever it chooses.



Congress Sends Billions Overseas
http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=210
July 23, 2001

Congress recently plunged headlong into its summer appropriations period, making decisions about how to spend nearly two trillion dollars in 2002. Every year, Congress considers 13 massive appropriations bills that fund the federal government, and every year I'm amazed by the staggering amounts spent. The real problem, of course, is that so much of the spending funds agencies and programs not authorized in the Constitution. I especially object to foreign aid spending, which clearly is unconstitutional under the enumerated powers clause. In short, Congress has zero authority to send your tax dollars overseas, and the Founders would be dismayed by the extent of our intervention in the affairs of foreign nations. Yet few in Congress or the media ever question the wisdom of sending literally billions of U.S. tax dollars overseas.
Last week Congress approved two separate appropriations measures that fund the State department and various foreign operations. Both are replete with foreign aid spending that either fails to achieve policy goals or actually harms American interests. The carrot-and-stick approach to foreign policy never works; we only end up with dependent allies and increasingly hostile enemies (who resent our failure to fund them). The State department bill contained nearly $1.7 billion in UN funding; $844 million for U.S. dues payments, and $850 million for so-called "peacekeeping"operations, which really are acts of war. I offered amendments to block this UN funding, which were supported by more than 60 of my colleagues. However, far more support is needed to end U.S. taxpayer funding of that most anti-American organization.
The foreign operations bill similarly sends a whopping $15.2 billion overseas. Here are just a few examples of how your money is being spent:

-$2.8 billion for Israel, and $2 billion for Egypt. Our ongoing aid to both Israel and various PLO countries only serves to intensify the conflict in the region. U.S. money has been instrumental in the incredible militarization of Israel. Why are we fanning the flames of this ancient conflict?
-$676 million to continue the failed drug war in Colombia. Time and time again, we have seen our drug interdiction escalate violence in Latin American countries. Our military aid could easily spark a war.
-$768 million for the former Soviet republics, which are politically unstable and armed with the nuclear arsenal of the USSR.
-$600 million for Bosnia, Serbia, and Kosovo, despite the failure of our previous UN-led intervention in the region.
-$90 million for electric power plant construction in North Korea. Why are we building power plants for brutal communist dictatorships?
Millions for Iraq, Cambodia, and Sudan, all of which have oppressive governments. Do we really think the citizens will get the money?
-$1.4 billion for the IMF and World Bank, which simply make bad loans to questionable governments at U.S. taxpayer expense.
-$753 million for the Export-Import Bank, which subsidizes big U.S. corporations by giving risky loans to foreign buyers of American exports, again at the expense of taxpayers.

It's ironic that Congress is sending more money abroad even as the U.S. economy limps toward recession. Those foreign aid dollars should have been returned to taxpayers to spend, save, invest, or donate to charity. In the fight against big government, we should start by demanding that Congress abide by the Constitution and stop sending U.S. taxpayer funds overseas.



Can We Achieve Peace in the Middle East?
Dr. Ron Paul

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=496
January 22,  2007
 
Former President Carter’s new book about the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine has raised the ire of Americans on two sides of the debate.  I say “two sides” rather than “both sides,” because there is another perspective that is never discussed in American politics.  That perspective is the perspective of our founding fathers, namely that America should not intervene in the internal affairs of other nations.

Everyone assumes America must play the leading role in crafting some settlement or compromise between the Israelis and the Palestinians.  But Jefferson, Madison, and Washington explicitly warned against involving ourselves in foreign conflicts.  

The conflict in Gaza and the West Bank is almost like a schoolyard fight: when America and the world stand watching, neither side will give an inch for fear of appearing weak.  But deep down, the people who actually have to live there desperately want an end to the violence.  They don’t need solutions imposed by outsiders.  It’s easy to sit here safe in America and talk tough, but we’re not the ones suffering.

Practically speaking, our meddling in the Middle East has only intensified strife and conflict.  American tax dollars have militarized the entire region.  We give Israel about $3 billion each year, but we also give Egypt $2 billion. Most other Middle East countries get money too, some of which ends up in the hands of Palestinian terrorists.  Both sides have far more military weapons as a result. Talk about adding fuel to the fire! Our foolish and unconstitutional foreign aid has produced more violence, not less.

Congress and each successive administration pledge their political, financial, and military support for Israel. Yet while we call ourselves a strong ally of the Israeli people, we send billions in foreign aid every year to some Muslim states that many Israelis regard as enemies. From the Israeli point of view, many of the same Islamic nations we fund with our tax dollars want to destroy the Jewish state. Many average Israelis and American Jews see America as hypocritically hedging its bets.

This illustrates perfectly the inherent problem with foreign aid: once we give money to one country, we have to give it to all the rest or risk making enemies. This is especially true in the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, where our financial support for one side is seen as an act of aggression by the other.  Just as our money never makes Israel secure, it doesn’t buy us any true friends elsewhere in the region.  On the contrary, millions of Muslims hate the United States.

It is time to challenge the notion that it is our job to broker peace in the Middle East and every other troubled region across the globe. America can and should use every diplomatic means at our disposal to end the violence in the West Bank, but we should draw the line at any further entanglement.  Third-party outsiders cannot impose political solutions in Palestine or anywhere else. Peace can be achieved only when self-determination operates freely in all nations. “Peace plans” imposed by outsiders or the UN cause resentment and seldom produce lasting peace.
The simple truth is that we cannot resolve every human conflict across the globe, and there will always be violence somewhere on earth.  The fatal conceit lies in believing America can impose geopolitical solutions wherever it chooses.



American Foreign Policy and the Middle East Powder Keg
Dr. Ron Paul

http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=246
April 1, 2002

The situation in the Israeli-occupied West Bank territories deteriorated into virtually all-out war in the past week, with both sides escalating the rhetoric and the violence. The continued leadership of PLO Chairman Arafat seems doomed. The administration now finds itself in an uncomfortable but familiar role as peacemaker for the Middle East conflict; Presidents from Carter to Clinton have tried and failed to create lasting peace. Yet while our diplomatic efforts are well-intentioned and needed, we must resist efforts by the UN and some in the administration to go beyond diplomacy and impose our political will in the Middle East.

Remember that American tax dollars have been instrumental in the incredible militarization of the entire region. We give Israel about $3 billion each year, but we also give Egypt $2 billion. Most other Middle East countries get money too, some of which ends up in Palestinian hands. Both sides have far more military weapons as a result. Talk about adding fuel to the fire! Our foolish and unconstitutional foreign aid, though debatably well-intentioned, only intensifies the conflict.

Congress and each successive administration pledge their political, financial, and military support for Israel. Yet while we call ourselves a strong ally of the Israeli people, we send billions in foreign aid every year to some Muslim states that many Israelis regard as enemies. From the Israeli point of view, many of the same Islamic nations we fund with our tax dollars want to destroy the Jewish state. So while Israeli Prime Minister Sharon understandably touts his close alliance with the U.S., many average Jews see America as hypocritically hedging its bets.

This illustrates perfectly the inherent problem with foreign aid: once we give money to one country, we have to give it to all the rest or risk making enemies. This is especially true in the Middle East and other strife-torn regions, where our financial support for one side is seen as an act of aggression by the other.

Just as our money never satisfies Israel, it doesn’t buy us any true friends elsewhere in the region. Foreign aid or not, the Islamic world sees America as a constant aggressor in the Middle East. Muslims resent our role in bringing the Shah of Iran to power, and they resent our permanent military bases in Saudi Arabia. They view our ongoing bombing and sanctions campaign in Iraq as wholly unjustified, believing it harms innocent Iraqis but not Saddam Hussein. They especially resent our tremendous financial support for Israel. In the eyes of many Muslims, to be at war with Israel is to be at war with America.

It is time to challenge the notion that it is our job to broker peace in the Middle East and every other troubled region across the globe. America can and should use every diplomatic means at our disposal to end the violence in the West Bank, but we should draw the line at any further entanglement in this deadly and ancient dispute. We cannot impose political solutions in Palestine or anywhere else. Peace can be achieved only when self-determination operates freely in all nations. "Solutions" imposed by outsiders or the UN cause resentment and seldom produce lasting peace.

Respect for self-determination really is the cornerstone of a sensible foreign policy, yet many Americans who strongly support U.S. sovereignty advocate interventionist policies that deny other nations that same right. The interventionist approach that has dominated American foreign policy since World War I has produced an unmitigated series of disasters. From Korea to Vietnam to Kosovo to the Middle East, American military and economic meddling has made numerous conflicts worse, not better. Washington and Jefferson had it right when they warned against entangling alliances, and the history of the 20th century proves their point. The simple truth is that we cannot resolve every human conflict across the globe, and there will always be violence somewhere on earth. If we care about the self-determination of the Israeli and Palestinian people, and if we care about the Constitution, we must adopt a neutral, diplomatic role in the conflict and stop funding both sides.
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« Reply #689 on: June 02, 2010, 07:37:11 PM »

Off topic - but I found this article; maybe Keith is looking for ratings... ok by me if he's finally going to expose some truth:

      
Keith Olbermann Defends 'Countdown' Ratings, Claims Right Wing Smear Campaign (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/keith-olbermann-defends-c_n_451482.html
Updated: 04- 7-10 05:12 AM

Keith Olbermann defended his show Thursday against reports that it is in danger of being canceled over declining ratings.

(more at source link)



hopefully he will go against the insane Chris Matthews rampaging against the constitution, heck i would watch if he did that.
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« Reply #690 on: June 02, 2010, 07:44:49 PM »

Off topic - but I found this article; maybe Keith is looking for ratings... ok by me if he's finally going to expose some truth:

      
Keith Olbermann Defends 'Countdown' Ratings, Claims Right Wing Smear Campaign (VIDEO)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/05/keith-olbermann-defends-c_n_451482.html
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« Reply #691 on: June 02, 2010, 07:57:42 PM »

Conservative pundits blame Obama for Israeli raid on flotilla
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0602/conservatives-blame-obama-israeli-raid/
By Daniel Tencer
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2010 -- 8:34 pm

Some conservative commentators and lawmakers are pointing the finger of blame at President Barack Obama over Israel's raid on a Gaza-bound humanitarian flotilla that ended with the death of nine activists.

On Tuesday, Sen. John McCain told Fox News that the Obama administration's calls for a settlement freeze in the West Bank and in East Jerusalem set the stage for the deadly May 31 incident.

"This is another step in a chain of unfortunate events beginning with President Obama’s insistence that there be a freeze, as a precondition for peace talks, a freeze on settlements in Jerusalem," McCain told Fox's Sean Hannity. "Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, not a settlement."

Talk show host Michael Savage linked President Obama to the flotilla raid much more directly. Savage told listeners that he believed the Israeli commandos sent on board the Mavi Marmara were "betrayed" so that their deaths would be "good PR" for Israel's allies. (No Israeli service members died in the raid.) And he suggested it was the Obama administration that pressured Israel into "dangling [its] soldiers like bait into a tank of sharks."

Response from Mike Rivero on his website:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/

Memo to John McCain: Israel has simply ignored the Obama administration on every issue where Obama has asked for some restraint, (including the issue of a settlement freeze), so Obama's request had absolute zero effect on the events that led up to this massacre.

Israel doesn't care at all about what the US might like it to do in the name of peace, as long as those American Taxpayer-supported checks keep on rolling in.

And a memo to John McCain: the capital of Israel is not Jerusalem: it is Tel Aviv!


This Orwellian corporate coverage of these events, and the degree to which corporate media is blaming the victims, very aptly demonstrates the degree to which the Israeli government absolutely doesn't have the truth on its side.



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Gordon Duff: Israel Scams U.S. “Gaza Convoy Carrying Stolen Nukes”

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“STOLEN NUKES,” MISSING WMD’S THAT CAUSED IRAQ WAR IN ISRAEL ALL ALONG

ISRAELI “ROGUE NUKES” USED TO JUSTFY GLOBAL “CRIME SPREE”

By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

In a long secret “lost nuke” scenario dating back to 1991 and involving Israel, South Africa, Britain, Oman and the U.S., Israel claims “self defense” in attacking ships in international waters today, killing 16.  These secret nuclear weapons hijacked after shipment from South Africa have torn the world apart for nearly two decades.  If you ever wondered why and what while watching the world tear itself apart, this is what was being kept from you, a lie within a lie.

Just after the humanitarian flotilla departed for Gaza, Israel informed the US and Britain that the convoy was ferrying stolen nuclear weapons that would be used for a terrorist attack on Israel.  The “stolen nukes” have been in Israel for 18 years while the US has spent billions of dollars and thousands of lives looking for them.  Today 16 more died.

Meanwhile, three Israel’s German built, “nuclear armed” submarines sit off Iran today, they believe covered by this same deception.  This was also the rationale for other acts to isolate Palestinians including walling off hundreds of thousands in a virtual prison in Gaza, walls built and designed by the US Army Corps of Engineers, walls that America should have on its own southern border.

MISSING NUKES CONFIRMED, STOLEN BY ISRAEL, NOT SADDAM

The story involves real missing nuclear weapons.  That has been confirmed.  Built in South Africa by Israel, these 3 stolen nukes represent all that is left of the nuclear arsenal apartheid South Africa threatened the world with.  Though the weapons may be “technically” missing, the massive undercurrent of secrecy and deception behind this global threat is pure fantasy, fantasy and nightmare.  Hijacked from Oman in 1991, these are the nukes Israel said were shipped to Syria by Iraq to escape US forces advancing on Baghdad back in 2003.  Israel knew they were never sold to Iraq, not unless Israel had done the selling themselves.

Israel’s fantasy about the transfer of these weapons to Syria by Saddam during the 2003 US invasion of Iraq was meant to push for an invasion of Syria under the guise of “chasing WMD’s.”  Israel informed the US that terrorists working with Syria were planning to move these nukes, again via ambulance, into Israel and were planning to set one of them off in Haifa.  This “lost nuke” claim has been repeated by Israel numerous times over the years in varied scenarios, each more false than the last.  Through “back channels,” Tel Aviv will again claim “self defense” as the rationale for this latest attack, an act of piracy against the humanitarian convoy heading to Gaza.

It is also said that Israel has used the threat of these lost nukes to block inquiries into their possible role in 9/11.

OH, THE WEBS WE WEAVE WHEN AT FIRST WE DECIDE TO DECEIVE…

The story is a long scenario of plots involving the murder of British weapons specialist David Kelly along with a number of legal inquiries and maneuvers in Britain to cover the tracks of what happened to these nukes, a cover up that continues to this day.  A “Bent Arrow” nuclear blunder at Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana was meant to provide cover for Israel by illegally shipping 6 cruise missile-mounted nukes to Diego Garcia while reporting them for “demat” disassembly.  The moment those nukes were loaded onto a B-52, still attached to cruise missiles, America went “rogue” for Israel.  Some lies can live forever.

HOW IT ALL STARTED

The claim that “lost nukes” are aboard the humanitarian flotilla that was just savaged off Gaza is part of a Mossad deception that started years ago.  Part of the story was broken by The Guardian when this British paper released documents showing military cooperation between South Africa and Israel with Tel Aviv agreeing to provide nuclear weapons to Pretoria while South Africa was under sanctions for its apartheid policies.  By 1975, Israel had already built as many as 50 plutonium bombs at its Dimona reactor opened in 1962.  In 1963, President Kennedy demanded they close what he called a “weapons facility.” He was murdered soon after.  No other American president has mentioned Dimona since.

Mordechai Vanunu, a scientist there, reported this in a British newspaper.  His descriptions of processes were backed by leading nuclear weapon experts, U.S. and British nuclear weapons designers Theodore Taylor and Frank Barnaby.   Vanunu was kidnapped in Rome and imprisoned in Israel, 11 of 18 years in solitary confinement and is still being held under gag order.  You can be convicted there of treason for spreading “rumors.”  Early on, Israel decided to turn their “secret” nuclear status into a profit making business, covered from nonproliferation sanctions by their “special relationship” with the United States.

Few know this but “officially” South Africa built 6 nuclear weapons with the illegal aid of Israel.  In fact Israel helped South Africa develop not only nuclear weapons but chemical and biological agents as well.  Some of the “germ warfare” agents were used in Angola by SADF troops.  Other weapons developed there, such as BZ “hallucinogenic gas” were sold to the US and used against the Iraqi Republican Guard.  This was reported by the South African Truth Commission after the presentation of documents and scientific testimony backing the claim.  Weapons resulting from this partnership were even sold to Libya and Iran.

THE BIG SECRET, 10 BOMBS BUILT, NOT 6

South Africa, really Israel, built 10 nukes, not the widely believed six.  One was tested in the Indian Ocean by Israel and South Africa in September 1979. The test was spotted by US “VELA” satellites that identified the classic “double flash” of a nuclear weapons and was confirmed by acoustic sensors.  The Carter administration covered this up as it was thought to be a danger to the Camp David peace accords that won for President Carter a Nobel Peace Prize.

This left 9 remaining nukes.  Fearing control of nuclear weapons by “Africans,” the Whites Only South African government agreed to ship the 9 weapons to the US for disposal.  Records of the UN inspection team exist along with the accords reached after inspecting the Pelindaba weapons facility in 1990.  Just this month President Obama officially thanked the South African government for this act.  However, three of the nukes were sidetracked  by Britain, as we have been informed by high level sources.  These three nukes are what everything is all about, certainly the Iraq invasion, the war on terror and the massive security measures, although catastrophically inept, taken by the United States.

BRITAIN STEPS IN

Britain agreed to help ship the bombs out, six to the US and three to Oman with the three to be sent to America for dismantling at a later date.  To accomplish this,  a commission led by David Cameron, current British Prime Minister, travelled to South Africa to make arrangements.  However, as this was during the first gulf war, a plot was hatched, we are informed, by high level members of a British political party to buy three of the weapons and bleed off money to fund the 1992 elections out of a massive “kickback.”  This would seem extremely “conspiratorial” had it not left a considerable trail, not only on paper but in wrecked careers, ongoing cover ups, Parliamentary inquiries, trials and endless deception from that day forward.

BUYING THE BOMBS AND LOSING THEM DOWN A RABBIT HOLE

We have been informed that former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher agreed to a UOR, Urgent Operational Request, a “no bid” contract to pay 55 million pounds sterling to transport three Israeli/South African nuclear weapons to British facilities in Oman to use as a “guarantee” that Saddam Hussein would not use chemical or biological weapons when attacked.  The scheme, in itself, was senseless from the start as American forces in the Persian Gulf had significant “special weapons” capabilities as did British submarines on station.  The real reason for the move was to generate the contract, we are told, which paid nearly $30,000,000 into the campaign coffers of the man who would be the next British prime minister.

Things went terribly wrong when the company contracted for this project, a seemingly reputable arms supplier, chose by accident we suppose, “dodgy” sucontractors for this most delicate task.  The nuclear weapons were turned over to a group known to have been involved in moving weapons for Israel, some of them in the illicit arms scandal involving the United States known as “Iran-Contra.”

  Thus, three nuclear weapons, in 20-foot shipping containers heading for Oman, and into the netherworld.  When it was time for them to be sent to the United States, it was discovered they had been replaced with concrete blocks.

WHERE’S WALDO, “IS THAT A NUKE IN YOUR POCKET OR ARE YOU JUST GLAD TO SEE ME?”

We can only guess how much of the “war on terror” has been tied to a Whack-a-Mole effort to find these “loose nukes.” The same “back channel” rationale has been offered for numerous military actions and “false flag” operations that continue to provide cover for Israeli conduct.  Any time a problem comes on Israel’s radar, a call goes to Washington and “reliable intelligence” about the missing nukes suddenly appears.  Most recently, the Israel reported that individuals in Gaza had shown up with “fission burns,” that could only be cause by direct contact with a nuclear weapon.

Britain raided the offices of the company involved, seizing their records and froze the funds of those involved as did the US and the European Union, but it didn’t stop there.  Too many hands were in the pie for this to be allowed to get out.  Britain has been running their own “Where’s Waldo” search while feeding misinformaton to the media.

PEA SOUP IN WHITEHALL, BRITAIN TAKES A LOOK

When Gordon Brown started the Iraq inquiry, the story of the missing nukes, well known in certain circles in Britain, started to come to the surface.  MP Menzies Campbell began asking questions immediately when documents indicating “existing nukes” came to the surface related to Saddam after Gulf War I.  Britain had planned for a contingency tied to nuclear attacks on their bases in Cyprus, attacks based on the possibility that Saddam was holding three “missing Israeli/South African” nukes that Britain had “misplaced in transit” years before.

The arms traders tied to the missing nukes and Israel were believed to have pumped millions into the British electoral process through intermediaries with even more millions to a different party years later.  That different party:  Tony Blair’s New Labor Party.

Questions were asked regarding the mysterious law, The Nuclear Weapons Act, which would allow indefinite detention of any British citizen found tied to a “nuclear explosion.”  More mysterious were covert attempts to modify that law with statutory limitations that would protect one British prime minister from potential prosecution.  This modification was blocked by MI 5 Chief Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller who resigned rather than see nuclear criminals protected.  We are told that a British prime minister “left politics” over “complications” from failing to act on an official briefing received on this issue in 1997.  He has now joined the ranks of Bill Clinton, raking in millions on books and lectures.

WHY, HOW AND THE FALLOUT

Where did the nukes really go?  It is believed that Israel snatched the three nukes, 18kt uranium-235 weapons in order to manipulate the United States into supporting what has become decades of disastrous policies and to provide a rationale for making the U.S. “look the other way” when Israel is involved in unsavory acts including routine “false flag” operations as with the murder of humanitarians enroute to Gaza, the world’s largest “open air prison”.  Everything is done under the guise of deception, even the most outrageous operations can be justified as part of ongoing search-and-recovery efforts for these imaginary “lost” nuclear weapons.

Was this the secret rationale for the invasion of Iraq?  Israel then reported that the weapons were moved to Syria by three ambulances and were stored in a hospital in Lebanon to hide their “nuclear particle signatures.”  America didn’t buy it, our new sensors can tell X-Ray equipment from nukes.  Thus the failure of Israel’s plan to provoke the US to attack Syria.

LOST NUKES AND ISRAELI PIRACY

Now Netanyahu is telling the US that the nukes are in Turkey or Iran, or both, perhaps on ships heading to Gaza.  Thus, any attack, no matter how many international laws are violated and no matter what is brought before the UN Security Council, will escape sanction by a US veto, further delegitimizing the United States due to its “special relationship” with Israel, the “unbreakable bond” sworn to by 444 members of congress.

America is even being urged to bomb nuclear facilities inside Iran to get at possible hiding places for these loose nukes. The weapons themselves, built by Israel and South Africa as part of a criminal partnership, even if in Iran, could be hidden anywhere. One of the least likely hiding places would be in a nuclear facility.

“KEEP SAYING ‘ONLY 6 NUKES’ AND MAYBE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT”

Sometimes a story can be told too many times with too much emphasis on just one issue: “six nukes.”  The U.S. destroyed six nukes received from South Africa.  Britain believes it adequately covered up its massive blunder and the corruption tied to it.  We certainly can’t ask David Kelly, one of those tasked with overseeing this project but who could no longer maintain his silence.   He is now dead.

We must believe that covert weapons programs in South Africa ended even though, in 2004, Johann Meyer was arrested for attempting to ship centrifuges from South Africa to Libya that still contained plutonium residue.

We can ignore the crimes related to nuclear proliferation and continue to point to Pakistan and Pakistani nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan when, in fact, his pardon by President Musharraf is now believed tied to his cooperation with CIA efforts to locate “lost” nukes that may no longer work in return for providing Pakistan new nuclear triggering devices.  Efforts were made to sabotage this covert effort in much the same way that Valerie Plame’s efforts ended with her exposure as a CIA employee though the public was not told she was working on these nuclear issues.

Lewis “Scooter” Libby (Liebowitz), Vice President Dick Cheney’s Chief of Staff, “outed” Plame in retaliation for her husband, former Ambassador to Iraq Joe Wilson, exposing the phony intelligence claim that Iraq was buying “yellowcake uranium” from Niger. Libby was successfully prosecuted and then promptly pardoned by G.W. Bush after the intercession of AIPAC, the Israeli government and prominent Israeli-Americans, including Alan Dershowitz, Rom Kampeas of the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, Nathan Sharansky, a former Likud Party leader under Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and Arye Genger, presidential liaison for Israel. President Bush awarded Sharansky the nation’s highest honor: the medal of freedom.

The numbers don’t really matter: 10 nukes, 9 nukes, 6 nukes or even 3 missing nukes.  It could actually be only two missing nukes anyway as one of the weapons exploded by North Korea had the “nuclear signature” of the Israeli/South African weapons.  Could this “loose nukes” scenario explain why a “special country” might not be willing to sign the Non-Proliferation Treaty?

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« Reply #693 on: June 02, 2010, 10:04:27 PM »

"20 billion dollars in completely unrelated spending to the final bill"

"The bill also includes $8 billion in foreign aid, which is especially egregious given the state of the American economy.  How can we ask taxpayers to send billions abroad with things so tough for many here at home?

The $ 8 billion includes:

-$1 billion in "economic assistance" for Turkey, even though they refused to let America use its bases to stage our assault on Iraq and have only grudgingly allowed use of its airspace;
-$700 million for Jordan;
-$500 million for Egypt;
-$127 million for Afghanistan;
-$1 billion in for Israel;
-$175 million for Pakistan;
-$170 million to train the “Afghan National Army";

and the list goes on and on.  All of this is of course in addition to the standard foreign aid we send these nations and many others every year."

Above is a good example of why we are screwed as a country. We are in a economic depression, yet they can GIVE AWAY 8 BILLION FUKING DOLLARS? I am going to be sick...

Someone please remind the government about the Symington Amendment when it comes to giving $1 Billion to Israel. It banned U.S. economic, and military assistance, and export credits to countries that deliver or receive, acquire or transfer nuclear enrichment technology when they do not comply with IAEA regulations and inspections.
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« Reply #694 on: June 02, 2010, 10:28:34 PM »



  And if there's a war in the Middle East that $8 billion will be FUNDING BOTH SIDES OF THE WAR---what we always seem to do.
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« Reply #695 on: June 02, 2010, 11:31:39 PM »

more hasbara....

Gaza Flotilla Carried 40 Al-Qaeda Members, Says Israel
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/36668/

you could not make this sh*t up!

why am i thinking of "open sesame" right about now?

the only bullsh*t excuse they have not used yet is

"Israel says Gaza flotilla killed own members to make Israel look bad"... tic tic tic. 
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« Reply #696 on: June 02, 2010, 11:48:50 PM »

Well you had cjrocks and a lot of other new people talking about them strapping bombs to themselves, but I guess the propagandists didn't think strapping chains and plates to themselves would look good.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #697 on: June 02, 2010, 11:55:26 PM »

more hasbara....

Gaza Flotilla Carried 40 Al-Qaeda Members, Says Israel
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/36668/

you could not make this sh*t up!

why am i thinking of "open sesame" right about now?

the only bullsh*t excuse they have not used yet is

"Israel says Gaza flotilla killed own members to make Israel look bad"... tic tic tic. 

according to the ex head of Mossad, it would have been stardard operations to have members of Mossad provacateur. who knows. I am not familiar with epoch times and not sure of their credibility. this still looks like a total FUBAR anyway you slice it, most of all for the people murdered.
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« Reply #698 on: June 03, 2010, 12:10:28 AM »

according to the ex head of Mossad, it would have been stardard operations to have members of Mossad provacateur. who knows. I am not familiar with epoch times and not sure of their credibility. this still looks like a total FUBAR anyway you slice it, most of all for the people murdered.

One thing they are not mentioning is whether or not the crew took commando hostages. If you can get close enough to stab/beat them with a pole but not kill them, it only seems logical. And this could explain the stun grenades and supposed guns they had (yet they won't show them because people will see at the very least that they were IDF guns).

Plus how did they find out they had lists and wanted a high body count without an interrogation of these commandos?
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« Reply #699 on: June 03, 2010, 01:50:32 AM »

One of the favorite comments from Israeli mouthpieces is that the goods have to pass through them to be CHECKED and then they would happily pass it through as long as there wasn't any weaponry.  Here is a list of banned and permitted goods that is probably quite accurate and close to the reality of the tyranny the Palestinians are living under.  Lets not discuss if the those "permitted" items even make it through the blockade at this point.
Absolutely brutal.
http://www.fastforgaza.net/sites/default/files/List_of_permitted_and_prohibited_items_for_Gaza__0.pdf
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« Reply #700 on: June 03, 2010, 02:29:17 AM »

I've read that list.  It is ridiculous.  The Israeli claim that they would have passed the goods on to the Gazans is b.s.
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« Reply #701 on: June 03, 2010, 03:51:39 AM »


Items Israel Prohibits from Gaza

http://bocktherobber.com/2010/06/items-israel-prohibits-gaza
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Jun 1st, 2010 | | Category: war

I was interested to see what sort of things Israel prohibits from entering Gaza.

Sage, cardamom, cumin, coriander, ginger and nutmeg are forbidden, as is  fresh meat, although za’atar spice, black pepper and sesame are permitted.  Frozen meat is also allowed, along with flour, sugar, rice,  pasta and kidney beans.

This security measure,  presumably, is designed to prevent the pesky Palestinians from rustling up this tasty meal.  I didn’t realise how much of a threat curry recipes posed to the Israeli authorities.

If you live in Gaza, not only are you prevented from enjoying a  terrorist beef curry, but after your permitted dinner of frozen meat, pasta, rice, semolina and lentils you can’t have biscuits, sweets or chocolate, for these too are forbidden.

Why? I suppose it’s because chocolate, sweets, biscuits and crisps are highly explosive and can be mixed together to make rocket propellant.  For many years, NASA has used chocolate and biscuits to power the space shuttle, and Hamas know this perfectly well.

The also know how to make a fruit-preserve bomb, using seeds, nuts, dried fruit and jam.  When combined with flavour- and smell-enhancers, this is a deadly explosive mixture, known to terrorists everywhere, which is why Israel has banned these foods from Gaza.  The deadly chemical, vinegar, is used as a detonator.

Of course, terrorists can’t build rockets and bombs without houses, and this is why Israel has wisely pursued a two-pronged approach, flattening Gaza in Operation Cast Lead, and preventing the import of plaster,  tar,  timber,  cement,  iron and tarpaulin sheets for huts.  You can’t have a million potential terrorists putting roofs over their heads.

Who knows what sort of jam rockets they might build out of sight of the satellites?

Apart from that, there a a few other well-known terrorist things that Israel has banned from Gaza.

Things like fabric for clothing,  fishing rods, fishing nets, tractor parts and irrigation systems.  Things like razors, sewing machines, horses, donkeys, goats and cattle. Things like writing paper, newspapers, pens and pencils, notebooks and toys.

And musical instruments.  You never know what those Palestinians might do if they got their hands on a guitar.  Can’t be too careful when dealing with terrorists, but of course, the real worry is that they might somehow manage to acquire Soviet-built attack accordions.

Imagine what would happen if all these items were allowed into Gaza.  It’s perfectly possible that Palestinian terrorists would form a cavalry regiment and charge the Israeli forces on their horses, donkeys, goats and cattle with razors and pencils tied to the end of their fishing rods while playing banjos and firing chocolate-powered biscuit-bombs.

When you look at it this way, you can see the logic of the prohibitions.  Can’t you?

Prohibited
sage
cardamom
cumin
coriander
ginger
jam
halva
vinegar
nutmeg
chocolate
fruit preserves
seeds and nuts
biscuits and sweets
potato chips
gas for soft drinks
dried fruit
fresh meat
plaster
tar
wood for construction
cement
iron
glucose
industrial salt
plastic/glass/metal containers
industrial margarine
tarpaulin sheets for huts
fabric (for clothing)
flavor and smell enhancers
fishing rods
various fishing nets
buoys
ropes for fishing
nylon nets for greenhouses
hatcheries and spare parts for hatcheries
spare parts for tractors
dairies for cowsheds
irrigation pipe systems
ropes to tie greenhouses
planters for saplings
heaters for chicken farms
musical instruments
size A4 paper
writing implements
notebooks
newspapers
toys
razors
sewing machines and spare parts
heaters
horses
donkeys
goats
cattle

Permitted

flour
sugar
sweetener
rice
salt
cooking oil
semolina
yeast
pasta
chickpeas
beans
kidney beans
lentils
peas
Burgul wheat
corn
lupini beans
powdered milk
dairy products
margarine
hummus paste
frozen meat, fish, and vegetables
vitamins and oil for animal feed
empty bags for flour
medicine and medical equipment
diapers
feminine hygiene products
toilet paper
baby wipes
shampoo & conditioner
soap
toothpaste
laundry detergent
fabric softener
glass cleaner
floor cleaning fluid
cleaning liquid for bathroom
chlorine
insecticide for household use
farms coffee
tea
salami meat
canned meat
canned fish
sponges for cleaning dishes
toys for washing
mopping rags
cleaning rags
canned food except canned fruit
za’atar spice
black pepper
sesame
powdered chicken stock
blankets
chicks
matches
candles
brooms
mops
dustpans
trash cans
aniseed
chamomile
cinnamon
wastewater purification powder
glass – 200 trucks
water coolers + heaters
mineral water
Tahini (sesame paste)
hair brushes
hair combs
shoes
clothes
wood (for doors and window frames)
aluminum
soft plastic bags
fruit
vegetables
hay
fertilized eggs
pesticides for agriculture
soil for agriculture
particles for soil dilution
chemical fertilizer
plastic buckets
plastic crates for fruits and vegetables
plastic chicken cages
egg cartons
cartons for transporting chicks
fiberglass and plastic trays for planting
various kinds of agricultural seeds
eggs (for eating)
greenhouse nylon
various kinds of veterinary medications and products
wheat
barley
animal feed

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« Reply #702 on: June 03, 2010, 04:40:18 AM »

We should all take a good look at this list.

It won't be long until the Bankers have us under the same restrictions via 'austerity'/'sustainability'.
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« Reply #703 on: June 03, 2010, 05:43:35 AM »

The list is clearly insane.  Israel is insane.  Period. There is no hope that the international community and the Palestinians can ever reason with this entity.  You cannot reason a madman out of his madness.

Israel, take a good luck at the insanity of Adolf Hitler.  As a nation, you are there.  Good luck.
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« Reply #704 on: June 03, 2010, 06:00:38 AM »

The list is clearly insane.  Israel is insane.  Period. There is no hope that the international community and the Palestinians can ever reason with this entity.  You cannot reason a madman out of his madness.

Israel, take a good luck at the insanity of Adolf Hitler.  As a nation, you are there.  Good luck.

Palestine is a good example of what happens to a country when invaders are not stopped.

I imagine it won't be long until they start arming the Mexicans.
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israel busted faking photo to justify their terrorism


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« Reply #706 on: June 03, 2010, 06:19:38 AM »


israel busted faking photo to justify their terrorism


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So, this was an old file photo from an IDF site?

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« Reply #707 on: June 03, 2010, 06:19:49 AM »


israel busted faking photo to justify their terrorism


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http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&url=http%3A%f%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1284%2F4662343871_184860a674_o.jpg

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« Reply #708 on: June 03, 2010, 06:21:44 AM »


couldn't fetch http:%f/farm2.static.flickr.com/1284/4662343871_184860a674_o.jpg: [500 No Host option provided]

Link doesn't work Dok.
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« Reply #709 on: June 03, 2010, 06:31:32 AM »

couldn't fetch http:%f/farm2.static.flickr.com/1284/4662343871_184860a674_o.jpg: [500 No Host option provided]

Link doesn't work Dok.

thats the link from your post.
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« Reply #710 on: June 03, 2010, 06:32:40 AM »

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« Reply #711 on: June 03, 2010, 06:35:27 AM »

you type in that bottom link and nothing comes up.
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« Reply #712 on: June 03, 2010, 06:40:08 AM »

you type in that bottom link and nothing comes up.

I realized you were meaning that link after posting pic, Hmm ...i can't see Rivero posting BS on his site, where i got it from, i suppose Mike has checked it, i don't know ... of course we gotta check it out for ourselves.
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« Reply #713 on: June 03, 2010, 06:43:40 AM »

I realized you were meaning that link after posting pic, Hmm ...i can't see Rivero posting BS on his site, where i got it from, i suppose Mike has checked it, i don't know ... of course we gotta check it out for ourselves.

dont know, the flickr page says that pic was uploaded on the 2nd. That other page i cant find.
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« Reply #714 on: June 03, 2010, 06:45:32 AM »

thats the link from your post.

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?dummy=on&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.static.flickr.com%2F1284%2F4662343871_184860a674_o.jpg


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« Reply #715 on: June 03, 2010, 06:47:07 AM »

Report: All aid flotilla victims shot dead
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The nine activists who died in an Israeli raid on aid ships bound for Gaza were shot dead, the Anatolia news agency reported today.

Forensic experts in Istanbul found bullet marks on the bodies of all the victims and determined that one was shot at close range.

The experts said the exact circumstances of the activists’ deaths would become clear in a balistics examination that would take about a month to complete.

Up to 19 people aboard a flotilla of ships carrying aid for the Gaza Strip were killed earlier Monday when Israeli navy commandos stormed the vessels in international waters.

The incident prompted a wave of international condemnation, as Israel said it was forced to board the ships to uphold its blockade of the Hamas-ruled Palestinian territory.
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« Reply #716 on: June 03, 2010, 06:49:42 AM »


ah, missed a 2
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« Reply #717 on: June 03, 2010, 06:52:02 AM »

..The nine activists who died in an Israeli raid on aid ships bound for Gaza were shot dead...

Up to 19 people [...] were killed earlier Monday when Israeli navy commandos stormed the vessels in international waters.

I don't get it nine or nineteen?
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« Reply #718 on: June 03, 2010, 06:53:37 AM »

So how can this be verified as that isnt the info that comes off the actual flickr page?
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« Reply #719 on: June 03, 2010, 06:57:13 AM »

So how can this be verified as that isnt the info that comes off the actual flickr page?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1284/4662343871_184860a674_o.jpg
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