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Also create a tsunami, that would wash all the oil even faster onto the coast. maybe ignite some of it also. big firery tidal wave.  WORMWOOD!
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Also create a tsunami, that would wash all the oil even faster onto the coast. maybe ignite some of it also. big firery tidal wave.  There is a tropical depression developing. The storm surge from that would do this as well. If the floor collapses, then we get the tsunami, too. If there is a leak 6 miles away, then the casing is fractured and it will never be stopped. Note that there is a school of thought that oil is created in the zone they drilled into. If this is true they unleashed the genie. And we all know how that works out. I get the feeling they don't know how to deal with this...as in, we don't have the technology to deal with this, where it is. The relief well are the only real hope. Don't forget that CH4.H2O is around 12 feet deep on the gulf floor and is in equilibrium at that temp and pressure. Shift the temp up and it will be releasing a great deal of CH4. Not to be gloomy or anything... Good times 
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There is a tropical depression developing. The storm surge from that would do this as well. If the floor collapses, then we get the tsunami, too. If there is a leak 6 miles away, then the casing is fractured and it will never be stopped. Note that there is a school of thought that oil is created in the zone they drilled into. If this is true they unleashed the genie. And we all know how that works out. I get the feeling they don't know how to deal with this...as in, we don't have the technology to deal with this, where it is. The relief well are the only real hope. Don't forget that CH4.H2O is around 12 feet deep on the gulf floor and is in equilibrium at that temp and pressure. Shift the temp up and it will be releasing a great deal of CH4. Not to be gloomy or anything... Good times  glad i live in NE Ohio.
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Some use Rev 18 saying what is being described, the fall of Mystery Babylon is America as a nation. Mostly due to 911.  The only problem is to come to that conclussion you have to ignore all of Rev 17 and just about the rest of the Bible. It could be said that America is a part of the "merchants" and "kings of the earth" mentioned in Revelation... "With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:2 (KJB)"For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. " Revelation 18:3 (KJB)I believe this isn't the Revelation fall of Babylon, but the "beginnings of sorrows" of Mark... "For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows." Mark 13:8 (KJB)
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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2010, 11:51:51 AM » |
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It could be said that America is a part of the "merchants" and "kings of the earth" mentioned in Revelation...
"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:2 (KJB)
"For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. " Revelation 18:3 (KJB)
I believe this isn't the Revelation fall of Babylon, but the "beginnings of sorrows" of Mark...
"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows." Mark 13:8 (KJB)
Lefty... come on now. There is no way you can link an oil spill to scripture.
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2010, 11:52:14 AM » |
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Found this, any one have any other info on it?? Nuke Under The Gulf of Mexico http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/nukegulfmexico14sep06.shtmlSeptember 14, 2006 On September 10 2006 an earthquake measuring 6.0 on the Richter Scale happened under the Gulf of Mexico. I immediately knew it was an H-Bomb in the five megaton range. This was the event Phil Ledoux and others had warned could lead seismic activity along the Mississippi Valley especially the New Madrid Fautline in Missouri. The planet Earth absorbed the energy and there is a slight chance of slippage on adjoining faultlines. The planners of the explosion were oil executives. They are attempting to increase the flow of crude oil from deep underground to replenish the wells throughout the Gulf including Texas and Louisiana. Oil is generated deep in the crust. There is no lack of oil. The oil executives know where oil originates but still call it a fossil fuel. Their greed may poison the entire Gulf with increased underwater seepages. In their planning, the possibility of a tsunami or earthquakes in populated areas was considered an acceptable risk. The political backers and chief bankers may consider the loss of life a bonus as they profit from death and destruction. The Siberian natural gas wells which supply much of western Europe were drilled deep in the crust. Many men lost their lives when the trapped gasses escaped. The blow-out destroyed large forests and poisoned the land. If such a technique were used to increase the flow of North Sea oil the blow-out cold destroy England, Scotland, Norway, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium and France. There are many areas where crude oil and natural gas seeps through cracks in the crust. Under the oceans the crust is the thinnest. Continental drift would accelerate if this method of oil extraction were generally used. Underwater the nuclear poisoning is no longer hidden from public view. The oil will be radioactive and refined petroleum burnt will increase the background radiation levels. The Gulf of Mexico is an impact crater left over from 65 million years ago. The Gulf is a huge fracture zone and as such is a weak area in the crust. It would be best to stop detonating nukes in fracture zones. It would be truly the best to stop the use of nukes altogether and go beyond oil and the atom as energy sources. Zuerrnnovahh-Starr Livingstone http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/nukegulfmexico14sep06.shtml
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What is REALLY trippy is how we also have all of these earthquakes and volcanoes going off!
So we have oil spills, earthquakes, and volcanoes popping off all at once.
I am Christian, but I am not saying this is God's work, specifically the earthquakes and volcanoes, but this just seems like too much of a coincidence.
Is this HAARP? Is this the major "crisis" that David Rockefeller said would usher in The New World Order?
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What is REALLY trippy is how we also have all of these earthquakes and volcanoes going off!
So we have oil spills, earthquakes, and volcanoes popping off all at once.
I am Christian, but I am not saying this is God's work, specifically the earthquakes and volcanoes, but this just seems like too much of a coincidence.
Is this HAARP? Is this the major "crisis" that David Rockefeller said would usher in The New World Order?
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« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2010, 11:54:57 AM » |
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My fears of the nuke option: - The tsumnami effect, fiery or good old vanilla, either one is a scary possibility. This tsumnai effect would also do damage to plenty of other wells and drilling platforms scattered around the gulf, toitally disregarding the already spilled oil, and where it may be depoisited after such a wave. Lets also not forget the gulf is somewhat round with an open end, the effect could make a catestrophic wave exiting the gulf, decimating anything in front of it.
- That the nuke might destroy the roof of the pocket that is holding the oil in. Right now, we have a gusher the size of a persons torso allowing oil out. But if the nuke destroys the sea bed, and damages it deep enough to allow that pocket of oil to rise on its own unimpeded, that could be a far worse problem
But I saw where someone said something about an oil hurricane....umm oil doesn't evaporate. Which is why some scientists surmise that the way to stop a hurricane is to cover the water surface with a fine layer of oil. There are also pool heating systems that use a fine sheen of inert oils to prevent water evaporation, thereby warming the pool radiantly. It is my belief that during a hurricane, the only danger oil would pose would be due to the wave surge prior on the approach of the hurricane. [/list]
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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2010, 11:55:08 AM » |
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"Thousands of UN Vans in Florida"
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« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2010, 11:55:48 AM » |
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..Is this the major "crisis" that David Rockefeller said would usher in The New World Order?
By the looks of it i'd say 9/11 done that already, the rest is just to keep us on our toes IMO.
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« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2010, 11:56:47 AM » |
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if HAARP was involved somewhere.
Shroom and others, don't many think HAARP had some involvement in Katrina???
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« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2010, 12:00:20 PM » |
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Shroom and others, don't many think HAARP had some involvement in Katrina???
I hadn't heard that theory, but it doesn't sound beyond the realms of possibility. My one concern though, is that there is such a thing as natural disasters and we run the risk of blaming every little thing that happens on HAARP, down to a cow farting or something.
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« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2010, 12:05:37 PM » |
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I hadn't heard that theory, but it doesn't sound beyond the realms of possibility. My one concern though, is that there is such a thing as natural disasters and we run the risk of blaming every little thing that happens on HAARP, down to a cow farting or something.
Careful with that theory there Shroom, there are a few peeps here who will call you out as an agent provac if you think that HAARP isn't responsible for everythign under the sun. [flashback] there was this thread about the Chilean earthquake...i remember it like it was yesterday (((((((((flash back waves)))))))...... Anyhow, the gist of it is, that because transformers were blowing up, and there were strange lights in the sky, some nutter was trying to say that it was due to HAARP, yet they could not articualte to anybodies satisfaction what HAARP would exactly do to the earths crust in order to cause an earthquake. Sometimes, it just doesn't help to have a high standard of evidence or proof. This isn't to say that HAARP is capable of nefarious things. I just don't think it's earthqakes per se.
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« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2010, 12:08:12 PM » |
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Careful with that theory there Shroom, there are a few peeps here who will call you out as an agent provac if you think that HAARP isn't responsible for everythign under the sun. [flashback] there was this thread about the Chilean earthquake...i remember it like it was yesterday (((((((((flash back waves)))))))......
Anyhow, the gist of it is, that because transformers were blowing up, and there were strange lights in the sky, some nutter was trying to say that it was due to HAARP, yet they could not articualte to anybodies satisfaction what HAARP would exactly do to the earths crust in order to cause an earthquake. Sometimes, it just doesn't help to have a high standard of evidence or proof. This isn't to say that HAARP is capable of nefarious things. I just don't think it's earthqakes per se.
I don't know for sure about HAARP. However, I have seen videos on earthquakes in Haiti, Chile, and China where the sky DID turn certain strange colors before the earthquakes. I don't have the vids. If you search Youtube, you will find them.
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« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2010, 12:09:58 PM » |
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Careful with that theory there Shroom, there are a few peeps here who will call you out as an agent provac if you think that HAARP isn't responsible for everythign under the sun. [flashback] there was this thread about the Chilean earthquake...i remember it like it was yesterday (((((((((flash back waves)))))))......
Anyhow, the gist of it is, that because transformers were blowing up, and there were strange lights in the sky, some nutter was trying to say that it was due to HAARP, yet they could not articualte to anybodies satisfaction what HAARP would exactly do to the earths crust in order to cause an earthquake. Sometimes, it just doesn't help to have a high standard of evidence or proof. This isn't to say that HAARP is capable of nefarious things. I just don't think it's earthqakes per se.
Well, if someone wants to accuse me of being a shill or whatever... they can go ahead, lol. I really can't say if HAARP was behind Katrina, or Chile, or anything else. From what I've read it certainly seems plausible in some cases. But not being a weather/tech expert, I can't dissern the truth behind the figures & stats. Makes interesting (and scary) reading regardless.
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« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2010, 12:16:20 PM » |
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I hadn't heard that theory, but it doesn't sound beyond the realms of possibility. My one concern though, is that there is such a thing as natural disasters and we run the risk of blaming every little thing that happens on HAARP, down to a cow farting or something.
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« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2010, 12:23:25 PM » |
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Well, if someone wants to accuse me of being a shill or whatever... they can go ahead, lol.
I really can't say if HAARP was behind Katrina, or Chile, or anything else. From what I've read it certainly seems plausible in some cases. But not being a weather/tech expert, I can't dissern the truth behind the figures & stats. Makes interesting (and scary) reading regardless.
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been labeled off and on since I first popped my head in here. I mainly directed my warning at you in jest. But also to bolster you up should you encounter one of those irrational types that think their theory is the end all beat all, damn the facts or evidence. But it does make for scary reading. I jsut hope it al lstays i nthe realm of science fiction and stays away fro mscience fact, even if its junk science.
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Effort to Plug Well Faces Another Setback HOUSTON — BP engineers failed again to plug the gushing oil well on Saturday, a technician working on the project said, representing yet another setback in a series of unsuccessful procedures the company has tried a mile under the sea to stem the flow spreading into the Gulf of Mexico. BP made a third attempt at what is termed the “junk shot” Friday night, a procedure that involves pumping odds and ends like plastic cubes, knotted rope, and golf balls into the blowout preventer, the five-story safety device atop the well. The maneuver is complementary to the heavily scrutinized effort known as a “top kill,”which began four days ago and involves pumping heavy mud into the well to counteract the push of the escaping oil. If the well is sealed, the company plans to then fill it with cement. The technician working on the project said Saturday pumping has again been halted and a review of the data so far is under way. “Right now, I would not be optimistic,” the technician, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to speak publicly about the effort. But he added, that if another attempt at the junk shot were to succeed, “that would turn things around.” BP said Saturday it would not comment on the technician’s assertions BP does not know whether the top kill effort has worked, Doug Suttles the chief operating officer, said at a news conference in Fourchon Beach, La. He would not confirm that they have stopped pumping mud into the stricken well, but acknowledged that engineers had been pumping in intervals and then monitoring it. “What I don’t know is if it ultimately will or not work,” he said. “We’re going to keep at this is we see it will work or not work.” If it does not work, he said, “we’ll go on to the next thing.” Mr. Suttles said Friday that the attempt to plug the gushing oil well is going basically according to plan even though there have been stops and starts to the actual pumping. “We’re going to stay with this as long as we need to,” he said. “We’re not going to rush.” The top kill remains the company’s best option for stopping the massive leak that is polluting gulf water’s at an estimated 12,000 to 19,000 barrels a day. If it fails, the company has said it will try and build a containment dome again. A first attempt with a containment dome failed earlier this month. Otherwise, it may take until August to drill a relief well, the option experts say is most reliably going to stop the current catastrophe. President Obama, who visited the Gulf Coast on Friday, spoke broadly about the government’s response to the environmental disaster, saying that “not every judgment we make will be right the first time out.” He also added, seemingly capturing the mood of engineers working to plug the well: “There are going to be a lot of judgment calls here. There are not going to be silver bullets or perfect answers.” The technician said that engineers had come up with a variety of theories about why efforts have failed so far, and they were trying different sizes of objects. He said the process required trial and error — and sifting through various theories among engineers in the operation’s control room — about the best way to clog the “internal geometry” of the damaged equipment. BP said pumping operations resumed around 3:45 p.m. Friday. The technician said Friday that despite all the injections, at various pressure levels, engineers had been able to keep less than 10 percent of the injection fluids inside the stack of pipes above the well. He said that was barely an improvement on the results Wednesday, when the operation began and was suspended after about 10 hours. “I won’t say progress was zero, but I don’t know if we can round up enough mud to make it work,” said another technician on the project. “Everyone is disappointed at this time.” The technician also said that there were disagreements among engineers about why efforts had been unsuccessful so far, but that those disagreements were based on a lack of a clear understanding of what was happening inside the pipes on the sea floor. Meanwhile, anticipating that the top kill may not succeed, BP began preparations to try to place a second containment vessel over the leak. Mr. Suttles said BP was also preparing to replace the damaged blowout preventer. In Grand Isle, La., President Obama promised to triple the federal personnel along the most threatened stretches of the coast. “We’re in this together,” he said, gesturing to the three governors, two Louisiana senators, a congressman and other officials he had just met with for more than two hours. Even if the leak is stopped, “we face a long-term recovery and restoration effort,” Mr. Obama added. “America has never experienced an event like this before,” he said. Such sentiment plainly was aimed at answering “the anger and frustration” that Mr. Obama acknowledged many residents and political leaders here are feeling, and at blunting charges that his administration had abandoned them as the Bush administration was accused of doing after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. “I ultimately take responsibility for solving this crisis. I’m the president, and the buck stops with me,” Mr. Obama said. For the president, who has been on the defensive about his and his administration’s role in trying to stop the spill and prevent oil from reaching the coasts, Friday’s trip was his second since the explosion of BP’s Deepwater Horizon rig on April 20. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/30/us/30spill.html?hp
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« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2010, 12:39:19 PM » |
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It could be said that America is a part of the "merchants" and "kings of the earth" mentioned in Revelation...
"With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:2 (KJB)
"For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. " Revelation 18:3 (KJB)
I believe this isn't the Revelation fall of Babylon, but the "beginnings of sorrows" of Mark...
"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these [are] the beginnings of sorrows." Mark 13:8 (KJB)
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My fears of the nuke option: - The tsumnami effect, fiery or good old vanilla, either one is a scary possibility. This tsumnai effect would also do damage to plenty of other wells and drilling platforms scattered around the gulf, toitally disregarding the already spilled oil, and where it may be depoisited after such a wave. Lets also not forget the gulf is somewhat round with an open end, the effect could make a catestrophic wave exiting the gulf, decimating anything in front of it.
- That the nuke might destroy the roof of the pocket that is holding the oil in. Right now, we have a gusher the size of a persons torso allowing oil out. But if the nuke destroys the sea bed, and damages it deep enough to allow that pocket of oil to rise on its own unimpeded, that could be a far worse problem
But I saw where someone said something about an oil hurricane....umm oil doesn't evaporate. Which is why some scientists surmise that the way to stop a hurricane is to cover the water surface with a fine layer of oil. There are also pool heating systems that use a fine sheen of inert oils to prevent water evaporation, thereby warming the pool radiantly. It is my belief that during a hurricane, the only danger oil would pose would be due to the wave surge prior on the approach of the hurricane. [/list] you're wrong there about oil not evaporating, since oil is a liquid a state of matter it also evaporates when the pressure in its surrounding atmosphere is equal. It does evaporate but a lot slower than water.
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MIAMI (AP) -- The first tropical storm of the season has formed in the eastern Pacific off Guatemala and is headed for land.
The U.S. National Hurricane Center in Miami says Tropical Storm Agatha has maximum sustained winds of 40 mph (64 kph) and some strengthening is expected.
It is centered about 170 miles (275 kilometers) southwest of Puerto de San Jose, Guatemala, and moving toward the northeast at 5 mph (8 kph).
The center says the storm could dump 10 to 20 inches (25 to 50 centimeters) of rain and as much as 30 inches (75 centimeters) in isolated areas, threatening dangerous floods and mudslides.
A tropical storm warning was in effect Sunday for a stretch of coastline from El Salvador to far-southern Mexico.
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you're wrong there about oil not evaporating, since oil is a liquid a state of matter it also evaporates when the pressure in its surrounding atmosphere is equal. It does evaporate but a lot slower than water.
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I can agree with that, although wouldnt the temps have ot be higher as well?[/list]
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Oil don't mix with water.. were is going to evaporate to?
Water isn't the only liquid to evaporate, oil would do the same thing just slower and go the same place water does. I can agree with that, although wouldnt the temps have ot be higher as well?[/list]
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Oil don't mix with water.. were is going to evaporate to?
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Oil don't mix with water.. were is going to evaporate to?
If it does, and I'm still not completely sold that it can evaporate; but it would have to be strictly atmospheric, and not mixed with any condensate, right? This is what I found in query to "Can oil evaporate?" on google. When a liquid evaporates, its molecules must separate themselves from their attachment with others in the liquid and then move off into the air space above. Heating the liquid makes the molecules move faster and weakens their attachment to each other. That is why warm liquids may evaporate more quickly than if they were cold. Nevertheless, the molecules in some kinds of liquids, like oil for example, are rather large and well-tangled up and attached to each other. This means that evaporation, if it occurs at all, is very slow. That is why cooking oil, even though sometimes heated to a very high temperature, does not evaporate to an appreciable extent. Let us define 1 'mole' of Chemical X the same as 602,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of Chemical X. This is also called Avogadro's number. For example, one 'mole' of methane, for example, is the same as 602, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000, 000 molecules of methane. YES. Oil does evaporate. But it evaporates in a weird way. Oil is not a pure compound. Oil is a blend of many different sizes of what chemists call 'hydrocarbons' or 'molecules'. These molecules range from very very small (16 grams / mole ) to very very large molecules (100s-1,000s of grams / mole) [/list]
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« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2010, 01:12:32 PM » |
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Water isn't the only liquid to evaporate, oil would do the same thing just slower and go the same place water does.
To be honest im not exactly sure.
I guess the clouds would filter it somehow..I work construction and the environmentalist are all over us, about spilling a drop.claiming it goes back in to the ground into the fresh water.. But I am not sure either.
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« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2010, 01:13:36 PM » |
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...and fro mwaht I'm gathering, there wouldnt be enough oil to actually condense, so it would be captured at an almost molecular level as rain and moisture passed near it, tainting the rain, maybe at a million to 1 ratio.
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #70 on: May 29, 2010, 01:15:58 PM » |
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Just heard on the news: The oil dispersant, Corexit 9500, turns the spilled oil into a gas element to remove it's bulk from the water--then this gas is extremely toxic in the air. IF there was a hurricane on the east coast of the U.S. it could spell a toxic disaster for the residents on and near the coastline. BP using oil dispersant: Corexit 9500 http://www.nalco.com/applications/corexit-technology.htmBP reduces use of dispersants amid sea life concernsBy MATTHEW TRESAUGUE Copyright 2010 Houston Chronicle May 27, 2010, 7:49PM http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/breaking/7025907.htmlBP has scaled back the use of chemical dispersants to combat the massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico amid concerns over the long-term effects on sea life, officials said Thursday. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson told a House panel that the oil giant has reduced daily use of dispersants to 12,000 gallons from 70,000 gallons at the urging of the agency. BP, which is responsible for the cleanup, has used more than 850,000 gallons of dispersants in an attempt to break up the oil before it reaches Louisiana's fragile coast — a tactic that Jackson described as the lesser of two evils. “It's a tough trade-off,” she told the House Subcommittee on Energy and Environment. The manufacturer of the dispersant, called Corexit 9500, did not dispute the characterization but said the product is effective and safe. “You wouldn't put dispersants in the Gulf unless it's necessary,” Erik Frywald, president and CEO of Nalco, which makes the dispersants, said in an interview Thursday. “What we're hearing from the experts is that they're working and helping.” Frywald said Corexit 9500 consists of six chemicals that are in everyday products, such as skin creams and shower cleaners, and should not be a risk to aquatic life, especially in the vast waters of the Gulf. BP, however, has used an unprecedented amount of the chemicals to combat the spill, raising concerns among some government officials and environmental groups. In a letter to BP last week, the EPA gave the company three days to find less toxic and more effective dispersant than Corexit 9500. Federal officials later acknowledged that alternatives are not available in sufficient quantities. Still, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., has called for a halt on the use of any dispersant in the Gulf. Louisiana officials, meanwhile, have asked BP to provide details on the possible health risks for people and wildlife. Jackson said the agency's initial tests have shown no significant ecological impact from the dispersant. At the same time, the dispersant has shown to be more effective below the surface than on it — an application that had not been tried before now. “One of the lessons we may learn on the fly here is that this might be an effective tool for subsurface application,” Jackson told the House panel. “It bears further study.” Frywald said the company hadn't previously studied the use of Corexit 9500 below the surface and didn't propose it to BP or federal officials. “The responders on the ground have to decide how to use it,” he said. “We don't know all the tools they have.” Frywald also said he understands the EPA's call for BP to find a less toxic and more effective dispersant. “The EPA should be pushing for better tools at all times,” he said. “If there is a better product, BP should use it. They're using Corexit because of its effectiveness, safety and availability.”
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« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2010, 01:17:04 PM » |
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...and fro mwaht I'm gathering, there wouldnt be enough oil to actually condense, so it would be captured at an almost molecular level as rain and moisture passed near it, tainting the rain, maybe at a million to 1 ratio.
You are raining on my parade now..Acid chemical cocktail rain..not good 
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« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2010, 01:22:18 PM » |
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You are raining on my parade now..Acid chemical cocktail rain..not good  Blaim BP and their potential shitstorm. I'm just a junk never-would-be scientist...lmao. Although seemingly, oil contaminants at a million to 1 ratio of water to oil wouldnt be that bad... relatively speaking. It'd be liek the entire hurricane impact zone being covered in rain akin to New Orleans during Katrina, just not as contaminated. You'd still be waiting on FEMA to bring you bottled water a week afterwards though.
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The resistance starts here. Unfortunately, the entire thing is moving beyond the intellectual infowar. I vow I will not make an overt rush at violent authority, until authority makes it's violent rush at me and you. I will not falter, I will not die in this course. For that is how they win.
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« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2010, 01:29:27 PM » |
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I just flipped through the T.V channels.. Up here in the Seattle area free T.v Of course, out of 5 major stations, I see golf. I see soap opera stuff, and the typical, Saturday B.S...no special report... must mean were safe. 
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« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2010, 01:30:52 PM » |
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what is it about Louisiana that either nature or the government do not like and they keep trying to destroy that area? 
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« Reply #75 on: May 29, 2010, 01:49:45 PM » |
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what is it about Louisiana that either nature or the government do not like and they keep trying to destroy that area?  A poor state, I reckon. No major metropolis. Nice area for the New World Order to "beta test", as AJ would say.
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« Reply #77 on: May 29, 2010, 02:20:07 PM » |
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Right now this is just another "conspiracy theory" right?
"There is another leak, much bigger, 5 to 6 miles away."
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« Reply #78 on: May 29, 2010, 02:25:45 PM » |
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Right now this is just another "conspiracy theory" right?
"There's Another Leak, Much Bigger, 5 to 6 Miles Away".
Matt Simmons: "Theres another leak, much bigger, 5 to 6 miles away". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDGAoU1H2gM
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« Reply #79 on: May 29, 2010, 03:21:25 PM » |
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Gotta get out my HP Lovecraft books and study them just to be on the safe side. {that's just a little humor, NWO trolls} There aren't any deep old ones under the sea. er... I think. 
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