Rand Paul: Obama's criticism of BP 'un-American'

[jeremystalked1]

Im sure you dont use any petroleum based products seeing the high horse you ride.

Yes, we can't criticize anything because we all rely on slave labor from China, we all use petroleum based products, we all ingest Monsanto-designed organisms, etc.

Have you made it out of third grade yet?

[Dig]

That's a rather silly thing to say in view of what I posted earlier:

It was this cartoonish notion put forth by the Austrian School that all government regulations (not just most) are bad and evil by definition that inspired the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and we all know where that got us.

See what happens when ideologues try to oversimplify reality so that they don't have to think as much? We wind up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

As a point of contention, Rand Paul and Ron Paul are for government regulation like Glass Steagell. They are for regulation of the Private Federal Reserve and Rand even states:


STEPHANOPOULOS: So, you believe the regulation of BP was adequate?

PAUL: I don't know what the regulation of BP is. I think there's hundreds of pages of regulation of drilling in the ocean. And I think most of that's justified. I think we'll have to figure out from this accident, is there anything that could have been done to prevent it? What can we do in the future to make sure it doesn't happen again? So, I think we use logic. We use objective facts. And yeah, we try to go forward. Nobody wants this to happen.

[Pierce2378]

Got it thanks

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069440096420212.html

This is a really good point sane, thanks for bringing it up

[Dig]

Got it thanks

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704804204575069440096420212.html

This is a really good point sane, thanks for bringing it up

Nobody else is talking about it, and when you expose the opium/afghanistan pre-factor with 9/11...there is a clear sense of motive.

Here is the original thread about it:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=170734.0

[Dig]

And now what is the admin's response even before cleaning this crap up? They have Bob Graham heading a commission to investigate. Bob Graham was told and faxed evidence that the 9/11 hijackers were going to use planes and fly them into the world trade center months before the 9/11 false flag attack.

http://www.justiceblind.com/warnings.html
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&projects_and_programs=randyGlass
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/randyglass.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2167266

The bottom line is that BP is being pressured to push the carbon trade tax, they will be immune to any gov regulation going forward, but the middle and lower level oil exploration companies will face an insurmountable barrier to trade and will go under. Just like this BS bank regulations. That is my stand and Rand questioning why the president is going out of his way to blame only BP is at the least an arguable position which hopefully provokes deep inquiry. The documented dozens of government screw ups plus the very real possibility that this was a bona fide false flag should not be ignored notwithstanding BP's crimes and corruptions.

Obama establishes commission to investigate Gulf oil gusher
http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0522/obama-establishes-commission-investigate-gulf-oil-gusher/
By Agence France-Presse
Saturday, May 22nd, 2010 -- 10:32 am

President Barack Obama announced on Saturday the establishment of an independent presidential commission to probe a huge oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that has already shut down a popular tourist beach in Louisiana.

As Grand Isle, Louisiana, closed its seven-mile beach to clean up an orange-liquidy slick washing ashore, the president moved to prevent similar disasters in the future.

The main task of the bipartisan body, formed by an executive order, is to provide recommendations on how the oil industry can prevent -- and mitigate the impact of -- any future spills that result from offshore drilling.

Two-term Florida governor and former senator Bob Graham, a Democrat, and former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency William Reilly, a Republican, will serve as co-chairmen of the seven-member body, Obama said.

"I can't think of two people who will bring greater experience or better judgment to the task at hand," the president pointed out.

He said he will appoint the remaining five members of the panel in coming days. It will include scientists, engineers, and environmental advocates, but no sitting government employees or elected officials.



http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/content/printVersion/135158
For years, the Grahams have speculated mostly in major companies like Coca-Cola and Microsoft, along with health care firms. But in 2001, their portfolio shifted to the energy and oil markets, where they invested $34,000 to $145,000 in seven companies that include three nuclear energy concerns as well as Vice President Dick Cheney's former firm, Halliburton.

That latter purchase, made shortly after the September 11 terror attacks, likely won't endear Graham to Democrats in Iowa or anywhere else. Nor will his investments in Duke Energy, a company involved in the California energy crisis. But what really makes his stock trading intriguing is that he's a veteran member of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee who crafts and votes on legislation that directly affected the companies on which he was betting.

[trailhound]

Yes, we can't criticize anything because we all rely on slave labor from China, we all use petroleum based products, we all ingest Monsanto-designed organisms, etc.

Have you made it out of third grade yet?

  So park your car and stop using plastic, your lawnmower etc. Its your choice and you share the blame whether you are man enough to admit it or not.  Nobody is forcing monsanto down your throat, yet, either.   Quit throwing stones at your glass house it makes you look silly at best.  Accusing Rand Paul of throwing his weight behind corporatism is surely a candidate for the dumbest suggestion I have seen you print.

[Dig]

 So park your car and stop using plastic, your lawnmower etc. Its your choice and you share the blame whether you are man enough to admit it or not.  Nobody is forcing monsanto down your throat, yet, either.   Quit throwing stones at your glass house it makes you look silly at best.  Accusing Rand Paul of throwing his weight behind corporatism is surely a candidate for the dumbest suggestion I have seen you print.

guys, wtf?

this is not olbermann v. o'reilly

take it outside, please.

I just told Geo that this forum represents a form of communication above the a/b bickering, now he is gonna use your and jeremy's posts against my pompous sensationalized fanfare

[trailhound]

guys, wtf?

this is not olbermann v. o'reilly

take it outside, please.

I just told Geo that this forum represents a form of communication above the a/b bickering, now he is gonna use your and jeremy's posts against my pompous sensationalized fanfare

 Sorry, I was trying to restrain myself.  

[TheQ]

    Nobody is forcing monsanto down your throat, yet, either.   

really? lol... you eat fruits and veggies? Anything made of corn? Do you eat any meat? (nearly all fed with gmo grains) Fact is you don't know if the food you eat is gmo and you are most probably eating gmo... So yeah, that's just as bad as being forced...

[TheQ]

And for the record, BP is a willing fall guy, taking one for the team, it is a top NWO company. And Rand Paul should really research any issues he comment on from now on because the establishment's media are going to use everything they can to hurt his image... BP is meant to look like the bad guy here, please Rand, don't go defending them 

[chris jones]

Hi trail h.

Some folks have a choice, a minorty that is. The average cit is in a survival mode, food staples are mandated by the ol gov, include water in that please.

Bottom line, were we asked??, is this a true representative democracy?  Kind of doubtful to say the least my friend.
You said it here!
you eat fruits and veggies? Anything made of corn? Do you eat any meat? (nearly all fed with gmo grains) Fact is you don't know if the food you eat is gmo and you are most probably eating gmo... So yeah, that's just as bad as being forced...

[Dig]

And for the record, BP is a willing fall guy, taking one for the team, it is a top NWO company.

read through this thread. Although they are NWO, they went rogue, sure they may be forced back into the fold and I am sure many nuts still work at high levels there. But, as a company they broke out from Rothschild's carbon scheme.

And Rand Paul should really research any issues he comment on from now on because the establishment's media are going to use everything they can to hurt his image... BP is meant to look like the bad guy here, please Rand, don't go defending them  

Actually, the MSM better watch what they target as controversial. they are years behind conventional wisdom and are spiralling their credibility into the depths of chalabi.

[worcesteradam]

Just keep saying what you think Rand.

[TheQ]

read through this thread. Although they are NWO, they went rogue, sure they may be forced back into the fold and I am sure many nuts still work at high levels there. But, as a company they broke out from Rothschild's carbon scheme.

lol the queen went rogue? Dude, BP went as rogue as Sarah Palin did... Theatre... You think this is ALL about payback? And NOT about problem-reaction-solution?!  

[jeremystalked1]

Dude, BP went as rogue as Sarah Palin did... Theatre... You think this is ALL about payback? And NOT about problem-reaction-solution?!  

Also, the BP insiders don't give a fig about BP itself, only their compensation packages, which I'm sure are flexible enough to cover scenarios like this one.

And finally, the connection between BP's accident and the carbon trading schemes is intended to be obvious to anyone who's paying attention --- "get in the way of this and you'll be punished".

[Dig]

lol the queen went rogue? Dude, BP went as rogue as Sarah Palin did... Theatre... You think this is ALL about payback? And NOT about problem-reaction-solution?!  

the queen did not go rogue, BP stockholders demanded they leave the carbon trading scheme, just like France, Spain, and about 10 other countries. You are aware of the carbon trading scheme as the last hoorah for these nuts right? The entire purpose of the false flag is to enact the carbon trading ponzi scheme in the US which BP was against. Since climategate. everyone is waking up to the carbon trading scam. The Queen is still busy covering up 7/7 and MI5 involvement. But whatever, feel free to just blame the BP criminals against humanity and ignore the fact that a drill 2 months earlier involved this very incident with proper cleanup efforts. Also ignore NOAA's declassified documents explaining this exact scenario ad what to do. Furthermore ignore the fact that the multi billion dollar cleanup fund from oil companies to the US government supposedly failed to purchase oil spill protective measures mandated by NOA and even used in the drill 2 months earlier. And why were 50 government agencies including the coast guard running a fake drill of a plane down in Boston Harbor when the gulf needed all of those experts.

Is BP the Silverstein of this new 9/11? Who knows, proper investigations should be done. But just like in 9/11, silverstein was not the only one involved. And it may be unlikely. Could you imagine if Bush was blaming Silverstein for 9/11 for 2 weeks straight?

[Dig]

Also, the BP insiders don't give a fig about BP itself, only their compensation packages, which I'm sure are flexible enough to cover scenarios like this one.

And finally, the connection between BP's accident and the carbon trading schemes is intended to be obvious to anyone who's paying attention --- "get in the way of this and you'll be punished".

damn right about that. the bankers rule whether they trade euros or carbon credits. just ask the elite class of poland.

[Dig]

Bob Graham, William Reilly To Lead Presidential Commission On BP Gulf Oil Spill
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/22/bob-graham-william-reilly_n_585844.html
ERICA WERNER and KEN THOMAS | 05/21/10 10:36 PM | 

WASHINGTON — The White House has tapped former Florida Sen. Bob Graham and ex-EPA Administrator William K. Reilly to lead a presidential commission investigating the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The White House was expected to make the announcement Saturday. The choices were confirmed ahead of time by two people familiar with the decision who would speak only on condition of anonymity ahead of the formal announcement.

Graham is a Democrat and Reilly served in a Republican administration, a bipartisan model similar to other high-level investigative panels. The White House has said it was modeling the commission on panels that investigated the 1986 space shuttle Challenger disaster and the nuclear power plant accident at Three Mile Island in 1979.

Graham served in the Senate from 1987 to 2005 and previously served two terms as Florida governor. Reilly served as EPA administrator under President George H.W. Bush.

The commission's inquiry will range from the causes of the spill to the safety of offshore oil drilling and the functioning of government agencies that oversee drilling.

The appointment of the pair was welcomed by environmental groups, lawmakers and others.

"This independent commission will guarantee a transparent and accountable investigation so the public can have complete trust in the integrity of its findings," said Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif., who had called for creation of such a panel.

A number of other investigations are already under way into circumstances surrounding the massive leak that began after the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig exploded in fire April 20, killing 11 people and later sinking.

[Dig]

A little deeper analysis of the Queen's holdings (not real deep, but a good starting point for people to realize she does have large investments in private companies):
http://american_almanac.tripod.com/crown.htm

nformation on the long term CEO of BP and Knight Commander to the Queen who resigned in 2007 due to being exposed as a closet homosexual:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Browne,_Baron_Browne_of_Madingley
http://www.referenceforbusiness.com/biography/A-E/Browne-John-1948.html

The new guy immediately started streamlining BP and reduced the huge number of layers while looking to expand the core business...oil exploration. Then 3 months ago he said "f**k carbon trading':

http://www.zimbio.com/Tony+Hayward/articles/6/UNITED+KINGDOM+British+Petroleum+new+chief

The analysis in wiki on BP's century of attrocities is pretty amazing, still the recent events seem to dictate that they were targeted as a patsy like Oswald, OBL, Taliban, white militia, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP

[TheQ]

the queen did not go rogue, BP stockholders demanded they leave the carbon trading scheme, just like France, Spain, and about 10 other countries. You are aware of the carbon trading scheme as the last hoorah for these nuts right? The entire purpose of the false flag is to enact the carbon trading ponzi scheme in the US which BP was against. Since climategate. everyone is waking up to the carbon trading scam. The Queen is still busy covering up 7/7 and MI5 involvement. But whatever, feel free to just blame the BP criminals against humanity and ignore the fact that a drill 2 months earlier involved this very incident with proper cleanup efforts. Also ignore NOAA's declassified documents explaining this exact scenario ad what to do. Furthermore ignore the fact that the multi billion dollar cleanup fund from oil companies to the US government supposedly failed to purchase oil spill protective measures mandated by NOA and even used in the drill 2 months earlier. And why were 50 government agencies including the coast guard running a fake drill of a plane down in Boston Harbor when the gulf needed all of those experts.

Is BP the Silverstein of this new 9/11? Who knows, proper investigations should be done. But just like in 9/11, silverstein was not the only one involved. And it may be unlikely. Could you imagine if Bush was blaming Silverstein for 9/11 for 2 weeks straight?

Never said BP acted alone? I said they were the willing fall guy, the US government is the one doing the false flag... Perhaps  BP stockholders demanded they leave the carbon trading scheme, so they had to come out and pretend they were against it.... just like Sarkozy... Is Sarkozy going rogue? Politicians often pretend being against something to help their image but that's irrelevant if in the end they change their mind, or if their opposition makes no real difference on the outcome...

[trailhound]

Napolitano stated: "On Thursday, April 29, I designated the events a Spill of National Significance, which built on the operational and policy coordination already underway from the beginning of this response and enabled us to appoint a National Incident Commander to coordinate resources and communication at the national level."

Napolitano waited 9 days to basically declare a state of emergency related to the spill which allowed the government to start coordinating resources and communication at a nat
ional level. She waited 9 days to enact a policy that was put in place almost 16 years ago to provide almost instant government control over the situation. She waited 9 days to start communicating on a national level?

The oil companies have been paying [passed on to the consumers] into the government mandated Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund since 1986. That fund placed a tax on every gallon of oil pumped out of the ground in this country and was to be used in part to fund the government's emergency oil spill plan. The government not only didn't enact their pre-designed plan, they didn't spend the money on the equipment that NOAA identified as being critical in dealing with this type of situation. I hope the government didn't waste the money in the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund the way they squandered the Social Security Trust Fund.
http://www.uscg.mil/npfc/About_NPFC/osltf.asp


PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT A FULL DRILL WAS CONDUCTED ONE MONTH EARLIER BY HOMELAND SECURITY!

http://www.uscg.mil/npfc/About_NPFC/osltf.asp
Uses of the Fund

With the consolidation of these funds and the collection of a tax on the petroleum industry, the Fund increased to $1 billion. Fund uses were delineated by OPA to include:

    * Removal costs incurred by the Coast Guard and EPA
    * State access for removal activities;
    * Payments to federal, state, and Indian tribe trustees to conduct natural resource damage assessments and restorations;
    * Payment of claims for uncompensated removal costs and damages;
    * Research and development; and
    * Other specific appropriations.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005 increased the maximum size of the Fund to $2.7 billion.

   

[Damascus]

I could come out against something too If I was told it was ok because the original plan was stagnating(climate gate). Hey if you do this then we can have a big accident that will jump start our original plan. They have done this time and time again. The federal reserve act. the health care bill etc....... This smells of a set up, a political false flag if you will.

[donnay]

Accidents happen all the time in the gulf and go unreported--they are taking this tragedy as an opportunity (You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.~Rahm Emanuel ) to run more and more control!

Rand is right-- The President's criticism of BP is UnAmerican because the White House is made of glass.

"He who lives in a glass house, says a Spanish proverb, should never begin throwing stones."
[1778 T. Paine in Pennsylvania Packet 22 Oct.]

[trailhound]

really? lol... you eat fruits and veggies? Anything made of corn? Do you eat any meat? (nearly all fed with gmo grains) Fact is you don't know if the food you eat is gmo and you are most probably eating gmo... So yeah, that's just as bad as being forced...

 Quit whining and tend your own garden. You do have choices.

[trailhound]

Accidents happen all the time in the gulf and go unreported--they are taking this tragedy as an opportunity (You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.~Rahm Emanuel ) to run more and more control!

Rand is right-- The President's criticism of BP is UnAmerican because the White House is made of glass.

"He who lives in a glass house, says a Spanish proverb, should never begin throwing stones."
[1778 T. Paine in Pennsylvania Packet 22 Oct.]

 The Rahm quote sums up my thoughts on this. Just like katrina  it seems a bad situation exacerbated for effect.