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« on: May 12, 2010, 02:04:03 PM »

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2920405

Is this true North KOrea could accomplish this? What is behind this story?
Did North Korea get help from ABB (Asea Brown Boveri again?) to develop Nuclear Fusion.
IS North Korea going insane? with bold claims?


North Korea yesterday claimed it successfully accomplished a nuclear fusion reaction to mark the birthday of late founder Kim Il Sung, and called the achievement “a breakthrough” toward developing new sources of energy. South Korean officials and scientists dismissed the report as “absurd,” but said the North Korean claim may have some political implications.

The Rodong Sinmun, a mouthpiece of the ruling Workers’ Party in Pyongyang, reported on the feat yesterday and it was carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

“The successful nuclear fusion marks a great event that demonstrated the rapidly developing cutting-edge science and technology of the DPRK [North Korea],” the report read, adding the North “made a definite breakthrough toward the development of new energy and opened up a new phase in the nation’s development of the latest science and technology.” It said the new energy source was like an “artificial sun.”

No country has managed to produce net amounts of energy for commercial use from fusion reactions, although research has been going on for decades. The explosion of a hydrogen bomb involves both fission and fusion reactions, but North Korea is not believed to have hydrogen bombs.

The newspaper did not specify whether the claimed technology would be used for the country’s nuclear weapons program.

South Korean officials with expertise in energy and civilian scientists were deeply skeptical of the claim. According to experts, nuclear fusion requires sophisticated technologies not yet developed by even the world’s most advanced nations. The International Atomic Energy Agency describes the building of fusion power plants “a great challenge” for the future.

According to the IAEA, nuclear fusion occurs when two hydrogen nuclei collide at high speed and fuse together into a heavier nucleus. They release an enormous amount of energy in the process. The nuclear fusion takes place at about 100 million degrees Celsius (180 million degrees in Fahrenheit).

One Foreign Ministry official with expertise in energy said yesterday the North Korean claim was “in a word, absurd.”

“Nuclear fusion requires a major facility and as far as we know, there isn’t one in North Korea,” the official told reporters in a background briefing. “North Korean scientists probably did some small experiment or studied some related theory, and exaggerated these activities.”

The official pointed out that the members of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor, a nuclear fusion project, have given themselves about half a century to create a controlled nuclear fusion reaction. The seven members of the ITER are South Korea, the United States, the European Union, India, Japan, Russia and China. In 2006, they agreed to fund the building of a nuclear fusion reactor in France, and the South Korean official said the work would cost about 5 billion euros ($6.35 billion).

Lee Choon-geun, a researcher at the Science and Technology Policy Institute in Seoul, said North Korea has been researching nuclear fusion since the beginning of this decade.

“But nuclear fusion is difficult to achieve in a laboratory setting,” Lee said. “Some have claimed that they did it at room temperature but they were later refuted.”

The seemingly bogus claim by North Korea comes as six-party talks on shutting down its nuclear weapon program have been suspended. North Korea wants bilateral negotiations with the United States as a precursor to six-party talks, and Kim Jong-il said last week he would work to create “favorable conditions” for the resumption of the talks.

North Korea may be pressuring the U.S. to engage directly in nuclear discussions by claiming to have fusion technology, according to Cheong Seong-chang, a researcher at the Sejong Institute.

The United States has said it wants the six-party talks to resume, but only after the completion of the investigation into the sinking of the Navy warship Cheonan in March.

Jang Yong-seok, a researcher at the Institute for Peace Affairs in Seoul, said North Korea often announces similarly outrageous achievements to rally the public. “We can expect similar propaganda in the near future,” Jang said.
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« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2010, 02:20:38 PM »

They can't even feed themselves, but they can develop nuclear fusion?

Yeah, uh huh.

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« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2010, 02:31:33 PM »

Well, Western Powers behind frontmen like Rumsfeld aided North Korea's nuclear ambitions. They have well over 20 Nuclear missiles probably. They have proven to have detonated Nuclear blasts miles beneath the surface. Around the size of Hiroshima I think 1 Megatonne

All Resources in North Korea goes to the military, which is one contributing factor to why Korean drones are dirt poor. UN sanctions against North Korea starve the nation of imported raw materials of course. (remember it's a chess game, a facade a sham. There is no real North Korea. It is only a puppet experiment for the Rulers on Earth).


Regarding Over population of North KOrea, with 22 million people there will be starvation for such a un-pecuniary(poor Resources, money) land mass. But 22 million people seem to be holding off okay, supplemented with air drops of shipment of UN, US grain and China's granted subsidy of North Korea, of course authorized by Rothschild and the Power Elite.

I think Nuclear technology by ABB transferred to Puppet Kim Jong Il was Fission, Helium atoms splitting apart through dieffentiation of charged Uranium, via centrifuges.
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The difference between nuclear fission and nuclear fusion are as different as the difference between Earth and the sun. Both are naturally occurring processes but one is relatively rare while the other is essentially a universal constant. One has been harnessed by humans and put to work, the other is a vast energy source that is only dreamed about. Yet what difference is there at the atomic level? What common element is there between these vastly different reactions?

Nuclear fission occurs when a stray neutron collides with an atomic nucleus and the nucleus breaks into smaller elements. For example, when Uranium fissions into lead. The two most common examples of nuclear fission are the Uranium 235 bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima Japan in 1945 (the Little Boy bomb) and the fuel rods used in today's nuclear reactors. However, Uranium 238 (the most common isotope of Uranium) is highly stable and not prone to fission. In order to cause fission in Uranium, the isotope Uranium 235 must be separated from the Uranium 238. This process, called enrichment produces a material that is highly susceptible to fission, and thus capable of releasing vast amounts of energy.

Nuclear fusion on the other hand involves not splitting the atom, but fusing them together at the level of the nucleus. Normal chemical reactions join atoms at the level of the electron, forming strong, but breakable bonds. Nuclear fusion takes two atomic nuclei and fuses them together to form an entirely new element. The most common example of fusion is the sun, our star. Within the cores of stars hydrogen atoms are fused into helium nuclei, releasing energy in the process.

While nuclear fission requires only a critical mass of fissile material (such as Uranium 235 or Plutonium) and a source of neutrons, nuclear fusion requires the incredible temperatures found only in stars, around 18 million degrees. Nuclear fission consumes material by the tons, nuclear fusion billions of tons. A nuclear fission reaction, even when controlled is a relatively short term process. Fusion within stars can take billions of years. In a fission reaction, second and third generation by products are quickly spent and not useful to carry on the reaction. In a star hydrogen is fused into helium, which is fused into carbon and so on until heavier elements such as iron are produced.
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« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2010, 02:40:02 PM »

Their Plutonium bombs are duds

their fusion will be shit too.

Creating fusion with a laser is a long way off useable fusion power
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« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2010, 02:43:05 PM »

North Korea has to be the absolute strangest place on Earth.  I can't even imagine what it's like there.

It must be like the worst Sci-Fi dystopian society.
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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2010, 02:50:58 PM »

Their Plutonium bombs are duds

their fusion will be shit too.

Creating fusion with a laser is a long way off useable fusion power
actually this is disinfo..

Their Uranium bombs, were successful, the size of Hiroshima underground.

I do indeed grant that North Korea probably Does NOT have fusion technology. But they did gain access to Nuclear FISSION technology through the authority of Asea Brown Boveri,

Western Powers probably already have nuclear Fusion technology. I just wondered if Western powers helped North Korea gain acces to Nuclear Fusion technology.

YOu should be careful what you say, didn't your mother say that?

ANway, the real future of energy is the Earth Mantle. As dangerous and perilous as it sounds, A country like North Korea or any Country could POSSIBLY gain access to an exponential, virtually an unlimited amount of Free energy and Raw Material. Since the Earth Mantle contain plenty of Heavy Metals.
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2010, 01:31:07 AM »

actually this is disinfo..

Their Uranium bombs, were successful, the size of Hiroshima underground.


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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2010, 02:03:55 AM »

Didn't they build a spaceport for aliens, too, or was that just Kazakhstan?

This was one of the funniest stories all day, but it does have me worried about Planet X now. (Unrelated, I think.)
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2010, 05:13:47 AM »

Keep on dreaming, brainwashed Zionist-Socialist drones!

Koreans (along with Vietnamese and Japanese) are among the cleverest, most adaptive, dedicated and most intelligent peoples on the planet. They (Korea and Vietnam) are the only countries to have ever successfully fully and totally defeated the stodgy, decrepit, corrupt, decadent and tottering old fascist superpowers which are undeniably the richest, greediest, surliest and stupidest established religious-socialist unscientific mediocracies in the world.

It should be remembered that their long hatred of and rivalry with the criminal-scum Shinto mediocrity of Japan, for very good reasons, has been a powerful motivation for them to defeat fascism by being the first to master solar technology - the false god, itself of their greatest rivals.

Such official technical news pronouncements as this should be taken very, very seriously!

We already know that our scientific grasp of nuclear physics is tragically handicapped by dogmatic unscientific institutional-socialist mediocrity. The silly "nothing to see here" notion that controlled fusion is "too big" or "too impossible" by established corporate-mouthpiece shills (whose reputations would be ruined by such an innovation) here is more than likely the real disinformation.

Even the Soviet-era Tokomaks came far closer to developing this obviously perfect and logical free energy solution cheaply and efficiently ages ago, than any garbage religiously crippled western Nazi-scientists have ever produced. History has proven again and again that the retrogressive notion of intellectual-socialist "heresy" is the prime impediment to all new science.

How much would you really like to bet that they're lying? All that Americanski scientologists have ever been paid to do with hydrogen is to capriciously and criminally destroy our planet.

They've already cleaned our clocks once, and without anything but total embargo and oppression, in a positively tiny nation, developed their own nuclear industries without any external help whatsoever in record time, without being given anything (unlike UK, France, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, Iran and India).

I'd be more interested in finding out more before I stuck my foot in my mouth.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2010, 11:40:16 AM »

do you have a link

Yeah, i'll provide it for you.. just wait..
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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2010, 11:59:33 AM »

Keep on dreaming, brainwashed Zionist-Socialist drones!

Koreans (along with Vietnamese and Japanese) are among the cleverest, most adaptive, dedicated and most intelligent peoples on the planet. They (Korea and Vietnam) are the only countries to have ever successfully fully and totally defeated the stodgy, decrepit, corrupt, decadent and tottering old fascist superpowers which are undeniably the richest, greediest, surliest and stupidest established religious-socialist unscientific mediocracies in the world.
well, I guess.  We really don't know what is behind Kim Jong Il though. He probably is a puppet of the NWO.

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It should be remembered that their long hatred of and rivalry with the criminal-scum Shinto mediocrity of Japan, for very good reasons, has been a powerful motivation for them to defeat fascism by being the first to master solar technology - the false god, itself of their greatest rivals. Such official technical news pronouncements as this should be taken very, very seriously!

I don't know anything about the Shinto in Japan. I don't really know if you are being sacastic, in referecne to "Such official technical news should be taken very seriously". Such Technical pronouncements should be taken with a grain of salt, but not discounted.

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We already know that our scientific grasp of nuclear physics is tragically handicapped by dogmatic unscientific institutional-socialist mediocrity. The silly "nothing to see here" notion that controlled fusion is "too big" or "too impossible" by established corporate-mouthpiece shills (whose reputations would be ruined by such an innovation) here is more than likely the real disinformation.

No, Scientific research (Searching already done by GOD) has been been hidden for hundreds of years. That is the explanation for the decadent lag in evident or seen Scientific breakthrough.  

And of course the Media will try to down play this. But even in their ignorant assumptions about North Korea, The Western Media could be right. North Korea could be bluffing after all.


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Even the Soviet-era Tokomaks came far closer to developing this obviously perfect and logical free energy solution cheaply and efficiently ages ago, than any garbage religiously crippled western Nazi-scientists have ever produced. History has proven again and again that the retrogressive notion of intellectual-socialist "heresy" is the prime impediment to all new science.

Well I look into the Soviet Tokomak technology. I definitely know, the a famous Scientist in Russia, Lev Theremin that created musical instruments from magnetic waves, and much more stuff regarding KGB spyware that can imbed itself into Foreign embassies. So yes, the Russian were amazing technological stalwarts in the 20th century.

Well intellectual-socialist Heresy has not been the impediment to all new sciences. Western so called democracies hide their technology from the public.

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How much would you really like to bet that they're lying? All that Americanski scientologists have ever been paid to do with hydrogen is to capriciously and criminally destroy our planet.

No, I think that Nuclear Power Plants have been a beneficially to the public due to the unique properties of Hydrogen fission reactions. There are strict Nuclear proliferation guidelines that countries who join the NPTreaty must adhere to.
Now whether or not Rothschild and the Queen of England break those guidlines is really up to what is politically expedient for them to excercise. However, most times, when the Queen or rockefeller is not cooking up a false flag, There will be NO nuclear attacks from the time of Nagasaki into the future.

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They've already cleaned our clocks once, and without anything but total embargo and oppression, in a positively tiny nation, developed their own nuclear industries without any external help whatsoever in record time, without being given anything (unlike UK, France, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, Iran and India).

THE UN cleaned the clocks of the North Koreans during McArthers sweep and route of the so called communist forces in North Korea. chinese coalitions under the permission of MAO Tse dong, who was an agent of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, was given authority by Western Oligarchs to push back McArthur's UN forces all the way in to 38th parallel.  In other words, the whole war seemed to be staged as some kind of chess game between Communist vs capitalists illusory predicament. Communist North Kore and capitalist South would ultimately become experiments to see which system suited the Globalists ambitions the best. A second planned consequence of the conflict in North and South Korea was to heighten the fear of communism during the RED Scare in the 1950's.  A planned fear mongering technique to scare ignorant Americans and Europeans.  

I'd be more interested in finding out more before I stuck my foot in my mouth.
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Yes we need to find out more information, before we make any judgements of the kind.
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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2010, 12:13:12 PM »

Yeah, i'll provide it for you.. just wait..
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On October 9, 2006, the North Korean government issued an announcement that it had successfully conducted a nuclear test for the first time. Both the United States Geological Survey and Japanese seismological authorities detected an earthquake with a preliminary estimated magnitude of 4.2 in North Korea, corroborating some aspects of the North Korean claims.[2]


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North Korea tests nuclear weapon 'as powerful as Hiroshima bomb'
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North Korea today risked further international isolation after it claimed to have successfully tested a nuclear weapon as powerful as the atomic bomb that destroyed Hiroshima.

The test comes less than two months after the North enraged the US and its allies by test firing a long-range ballistic missile.

The KNCA news agency, the regime's official mouthpiece, said: "We have successfully conducted another nuclear test on 25 May as part of the republic's measures to strengthen its nuclear deterrent."


Officials in South Korea said they had detected a tremor consistent with those caused by an underground nuclear explosion. The country's Yonhap news agency reported that the North had test-fired three short-range missiles from a base on the east coast immediately after the nuclear test.

The underground atomic explosion, at 9.54am local time (0154 BST), created an earthquake measuring magnitude 4.5 in Kilju county in the country's north-east, reports said.

President Barack Obama called the test a matter of grave concern to all countries. "North Korea is directly and recklessly challenging the international community," he said in a statement. "North Korea's behaviour increases tensions and undermines stability in north-east Asia."


He added that North Korea's behaviour would serve only to deepen the country's isolation.
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2010, 02:08:24 AM »

The Hiroshima bombing was the second artificial nuclear explosion in history, after the Trinity test, and the first uranium-based detonation. Approximately 600 milligrams of mass were converted into energy. It exploded with a destructive power equivalent to between 13 and 18 kilotons of TNT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy

The U.S. intelligence community assessed that North Korea "probably" had conducted a nuclear test with a yield of "a few kilotons."[24] The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization assessed the yield at only slightly larger than the 2006 test, which was one kiloton.[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_North_Korean_nuclear_test


I recognise the Russians claim a higher figure, so no need to post on it.

How do you know these are Uranium bombs?
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