Why the Republican-hijacked "Tea Party" movement has become a pathetic joke!

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Americans can vote in a 3rd party if they wanted to.  It is just the state of mind of the average American voter is so clueless on many issues.  The danger to America's freedom is not conservative, liberal, libertarian or independent radio it is the ignorant shmuck that doesn't pay any attention to politics until election day.  Then they use stupid criteria to vote with.  Like who they want to have a beer with, who is the G-Q-ist looking, how their daddy or mommy voted back in the 20th Century, or based on a campaign photo's vanity or whether their clothes match or something stupid like that.

We know how the Globalists rig elections but getting the average apolitical schmuck to do more than just read a news article just before an election... this is what will be America's downfall.

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I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this s@#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs

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I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this s@#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs

Except they don't get to vote themselves off -- we do.

But I like where you're goin with that.

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I agree with everything being said here, but the arguement I get is If I vote for X candidate and you vote for Y candidate your vote is literally nullifying my vote.

The total votes don't really matter... only the number of votes greater than that of the other candidates matter. If you vote for a 3rd party long shot, (candidate A) who agrees with you 95% of the time as appose to candidate B, who agrees with you 65% of the time but has a better shot of wining, than you technically voted NOT to nullify one of candidate C's votes, which essentially is you voting for candidate C.

 See all of the 3rd party candidates votes are going to be nullified. They wont count. You voting for A and not B didn't take a vote from C. Instead you took a vote from B and wasted your vote for A cause candidate A even knew he wasn't going to win.

All this said..... this applies only in a general race.... In a primary you should support that with whom you agree with most. if he/she doesn't win then you have to take steps to better get your points across to why your candidate is the best to represent you.... the general election isn't the forum to support the little known, hardly backed 3rd party long shot.

How would 3rd party candidates votes be nullified?

I guess my question is should a third party candidate be backed in a primary?

You make valid points, however what if everyone in America knew that both main parties are Globalist in nature ?

If it was more widespread and known that you had 2 Kang and Kodos candidates then a 3rd party candidate would win.  Just ask Jesse Ventura.   ;)

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Kucinich challenges tea party to stand up for civil liberties
« Reply #84 on: February 10, 2011, 01:22:29 PM »
http://www.infowars.com/kucinich-challenges-tea-party-to-stand-up-for-civil-liberties/

Kucinich challenges tea party to stand up for civil liberties

Sahil Kapur
Raw Story
February 9, 2011

WASHINGTON – The House is set to take up a measure this week renewing key provisions of the PATRIOT Act that expire Feb. 28.

Liberal Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) issued a challenge to tea party supporters and lawmakers in the new Congress: time to show you’re serious about liberty.

“The 112th Congress began with a historic reading of the U.S. Constitution,” Kucinich said in a statement. “Will anyone subscribe to the First and Fourth Amendments tomorrow when the PATRIOT Act is up for a vote? I am hopeful that members of the Tea Party who came to Congress to defend the Constitution will join me in challenging the reauthorization.”

Republicans won back control of the House by a large margin in November, thriving on the energy of the tea party movement, which fretted that Democrats were undermining freedom in the United States. Republican lawmakers across the country frequently proffer their commitment to the tea party’s self-styled ideals of liberty and freedom.

“Will tea party members defend the Constitution or capitulate on PATRIOT Act extension?” Kucinich’s statement added.

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Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act
« Reply #85 on: February 15, 2011, 12:24:46 PM »
http://www.thecontract.org/the-contract-from-america/

Unsurprisingly absent from the above "contract" are civil liberties, foreign policy, and monetary reform.

With regard to civil liberties, is this inexcusable omission on your part a veiled way of saying you support the “Patriot” Act, the Homeland “Security” Act, the Military Commissions Act, and Presidential Directive 51? Is that your idea of “protecting” the Constitution?

It sure didn't take long for the newly-elected Republicans to answer my question, did it?

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Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act

Kurt Nimmo
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February 15, 2011

Now that establishment Republicans have managed to steer the Tea Party into the political Borg Hive and run off the real patriots, it is time to get the neocon total war agenda back on track.


Rep. Michele Bachmann: Just another tool for the neocon mass murder agenda.

Minnesota’s Michele Bachmann, like Alaska’s Sarah Palin, likes to pretend she is at the center of the Tea Party movement. She talks loud and long about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Last week Bachmann voted for an extension of the Constitution-busting PATRIOT Act.

“Today I voted for a temporary extension of three legal authorities in the Patriot Act,” Bachmann wrote on her Facebook on February 8. “This vote was not for a full reauthorization of the Patriot Act. As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I look forward to briefings and reports from our intelligence community that will help us develop longer term solutions as we protect our nation against international terrorism.”

“Today’s vote was for a ten-month extension of three provisions that would have expired later this month,” she posted on her House page. “These provisions maintain the flexibility that our intelligence community needs to monitor terror suspects and protect our country against international terrorism. As a mother of five and a foster mother to 23 children, I voted for these authorities so that our laws keep pace with the evolving threats posed by terrorists.”

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, it is fair to assume Ms. Bachmann is a tool for the CIA and the Pentagon and buys into their phony war on manufactured terror.

But then she always was a dupe for the neocons. Michelle Bachmann was so enamored with the war criminal George W. Bush, she felt compelled to hug and kiss him after his State of the Dis-functional Union teleprompter speech a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok (Michele Bachmann: You take my breath away, Mr. President!)

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But as I so often point out, those Republicans didn't elect themselves.

So once again: thanks a bunch, lesser evil voters::)
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Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
« Reply #87 on: February 17, 2011, 01:08:41 PM »
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Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act

The American Dream
February 17, 2011

For a moment, imagine that you are awakened one night by a heavily-armed team of federal agents dressed in all black breaking into your home.  As you confront them, they hand you a piece of paper that says that your son has been identified as a “terrorist” and that they are there to take him away.  They pull your son out of bed, they throw him on the floor and the use a taser on him repeatedly.  Then they handcuff him and haul him away without telling you a thing about where they are taking him.  Your son suddenly has no rights because the Patriot Act supersedes the U.S. Constitution.  That’s right – because your son has been identified as a “terrorist” because of something that he has said on the Internet he no longer has any constitutional rights.  Your underage son is held indefinitely and is subjected to “enhanced interrogation” because he has been identified as a “threat”.  You are not able to get your son back for years even though it turns out that he is completely and totally innocent.  If you think that such a thing cannot happen to you then you are a fool, because this kind of thing is happening over and over across the United States and it is all legal because of the Patriot Act.

America is rapidly turning into a horrible Big Brother police state and most of our politicians are fully supporting this transformation.  In fact, the U.S. House of Representatives gave us quite a Valentine’s Day gift the other day when it voted to once again extend provisions of the Patriot Act that allow for domestic surveillance of American citizens, wire tapping of American citizens and warrantless searches of the homes of American citizens.

What was perhaps most disappointing was that a large number of “Tea Party politicians” cast votes in favor of renewing the Patriot Act provisions.

The majority of Americans were absolutely disgusted when the Bush administration instituted the Patriot Act and many other police state measures and they voted for Barack Obama hoping for something different.

Well, it turns out that Barack Obama has been even worse.

Have you been to an airport lately?  Yeah, those “naked body scanners” and “enhanced pat-downs” are a lot of fun, aren’t they?

Many Americans voted for Tea Party candidates during the last election hoping that they would be willing to stand up for liberty and freedom.

Well, it turns out that many of them caved when it came time to vote on the extension of Patriot Act provisions.

So is there anyone out there that we can vote for that will stand up for liberty and freedom?

The truth is that this is not a conservative issue and it is not a liberal issue.

This is an American issue.

But doesn’t the Patriot Act keep us safe from terrorism?

No.

Just the other day Dr. Vahid Majidi, the FBI’s assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Weapons of Mass Destruction Directorate, admitted that even with all of our “security measures” the chance that the U.S. will be hit a weapon of mass destruction is 100 percent….

    “There’s a probability of 100 percent that a WMD event will happen.”

But even if the Patriot Act could keep us “safer”, is that any reason for us to live the rest of our lives as “cattle” in a Big Brother police state that is becoming more like George Orwell’s 1984 every single day?

Are we willing to forever renounce being “the land of the free and the home of the brave” just so that we can feel a bit more secure?

The truth is that the U.S. government is not really protecting us anyway.  Our border with Mexico is wide open and millions of people have been pouring across it unchecked.  It would be ridiculously easy for any potential “terrorists” to smuggle dangerous weapons into this country.

So please don’t try to tell me that the U.S. government is actually serious about national security.  Until the U.S. government is willing to do something about the border they should not be asking the American people to give up a single ounce of liberty or freedom for the sake of “security”.

But instead of securing the border and doing other practical things that would actually keep this country safer, our government has become absolutely obsessed with watching us, tracking us, listening to us, “assessing” us and controlling us.

In the process, the America that we all once loved is rapidly being destroyed.  Because of laws like the Patriot Act, our country now more closely resembles East Germany during the Cold War than the nation that our founding fathers originally established.

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Re: Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
« Reply #88 on: February 17, 2011, 01:11:09 PM »

Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act


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Re: Betrayed! Tea Party Politicians Vote for Patriot Act
« Reply #89 on: February 17, 2011, 01:23:49 PM »
Time to vote them out, and give the next set a try, and maybe the new people will catch on. Just keep voting in new people everytime.

Unfortunately, for the vast majority of the electorate, voting in "new" people always means voting in one or the other of the two banker-owned major parties that jointly created this mess in the first place.

That's called doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.



Until and unless a critical mass of us bring an end to the literal insanity of "lesser evil voting," the Nazification of our society will continue unabated.

That's why our unified message to the masses must be:

"From now on, either vote for your 3rd party or independent candidate of choice, or don't vote at all!"

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Re: Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act
« Reply #90 on: February 17, 2011, 11:50:39 PM »
It sure didn't take long for the newly-elected Republicans to answer my question, did it?

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Tea Party Caucus Leader Bachmann Votes for PATRIOT Act

Kurt Nimmo
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February 15, 2011

Now that establishment Republicans have managed to steer the Tea Party into the political Borg Hive and run off the real patriots, it is time to get the neocon total war agenda back on track.


Rep. Michele Bachmann: Just another tool for the neocon mass murder agenda.

Minnesota’s Michele Bachmann, like Alaska’s Sarah Palin, likes to pretend she is at the center of the Tea Party movement. She talks loud and long about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Last week Bachmann voted for an extension of the Constitution-busting PATRIOT Act.

“Today I voted for a temporary extension of three legal authorities in the Patriot Act,” Bachmann wrote on her Facebook on February 8. “This vote was not for a full reauthorization of the Patriot Act. As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I look forward to briefings and reports from our intelligence community that will help us develop longer term solutions as we protect our nation against international terrorism.”

“Today’s vote was for a ten-month extension of three provisions that would have expired later this month,” she posted on her House page. “These provisions maintain the flexibility that our intelligence community needs to monitor terror suspects and protect our country against international terrorism. As a mother of five and a foster mother to 23 children, I voted for these authorities so that our laws keep pace with the evolving threats posed by terrorists.”

As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, it is fair to assume Ms. Bachmann is a tool for the CIA and the Pentagon and buys into their phony war on manufactured terror.

But then she always was a dupe for the neocons. Michelle Bachmann was so enamored with the war criminal George W. Bush, she felt compelled to hug and kiss him after his State of the Dis-functional Union teleprompter speech a few years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJepxPPBok (Michele Bachmann: You take my breath away, Mr. President!)

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But as I so often point out, those Republicans didn't elect themselves.

So once again: thanks a bunch, lesser evil voters!  ::)

Lets us vote in our collective interest, independent candidates and back the few republican/democrat politicians that act independently.

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Who Are the Tea Party Patriots?
« Reply #91 on: March 10, 2011, 02:48:39 PM »
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23585

Who Are the Tea Party Patriots?

by William John Cox



Global Research
March 10, 2011

Most people only see the public faces of the Tea Party Patriots: those doing televison interviews, appearing on the covers of magazines, waving from the steps of private jets at political rallies, and who spend the millions of dollars in tax-free donations they have raised; but who are the 15 million “patriots” who actually attend the thousands of local tea parties across the heartland of America?  Answers were sought at the TPP’s American Policy Summit held during the last week of February in Phoenix, Arizona.

The Faces of Fear

Although organizers had planned for 7,000 attendees, about 2,000 showed up and several thousand more attended, virtually, via the Internet.

There weren’t many body piercings or tattoos visible among the activists at the summit; no horns or forked tails were detected; nor were there very many colonial costumes or tri-cornered hats in evidence. There was, however, an abundance of serious faces and crossed arms.

There were as many women as men in attendance, but the most striking thing was the absolute absence of faces of color. None. Not a single Black, Hispanic or Asian face could be seen in the crowd. This is not to say that the “Patriots” are racist; they cheered former CEO Herman Cain, the conservative African-American Republican presidential candidate who claims that liberals are destroying the American Dream.

When Tea Party leader Mark Meckler was asked about the absence of faces of color, he said he doesn’t “pay attention to color” and he doesn’t know why there aren’t more. He didn’t answer when asked if the Tea Party intended to do anything to attract minority members.

Many women wore crosses on neck chains, but Stars of David and “peaceful coexistence” pendants were not displayed. There were numerous references by speakers to America as a Christian nation, including a prayer by Congressman David Swickart that called on all members to become “soldiers for the message.” Another speaker said a “Christian Nation doesn’t need health care reform,” only Good Samaritans to help others. The prayer service on Sunday morning was held by Al Larson, who seeks to establish a “network of dangerous men in and through our churches who so treasure Christ as Leader in their hearts that they are willing to risk anything to follow Him.”

If nothing else, the Patriots are very patriotic. Sessions were opened with the national anthem and the pledge of allegiance to the flag, and all veterans were encouraged to stand and offer a military salute.

The Patriots want a government that does nothing more than what it is authorized to do by the Constitution. The conference tote bags contained three copies of the Constitution, and the overriding theme of the Summit was a reduction of the federal government to conform to the powers set forth in Article I of the document.

Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition called upon the audience to restore the nation to the principles on which it was founded, and said, if the government fails to protect life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, “there is a moral obligation to overthrow the government, by force if necessary.” He stated America was settled with “three tools: the axe, the plow and the Bible.” Then he added a fourth – the gun.

Arizona State Senate President Russell Pearce told the crowd it was time for a “rag tag army” led by the “congregations” to step up and fight against illegal immigration and the failure of government to do its job.

More than half of the audience appeared to be of retirement age and more than a few carried oxygen bottles; however, most cheered when Yaaron Brook of the Ayn Rand Institute stated “social security was the most immoral scheme ever devised by politicians” because it forces the responsible to care for the irresponsible.

Howard Sprague, a retired financial advisor who collects social security, believes it would be unfair to take social security away from those who were already receiving it, but that future generations should have a choice to opt in or out of social security and Medicare. Retiree Ralph Westburg wants to replace social security for the next generation with individual payments into private insurance company annuities; however, he also wasn’t willing to give up his own social security and Medicare benefits.

The only crack in the solid wall of conservatism was exposed by the few young people who were in attendance. Unlike older participants who declined to talk about “social issues,” Alexander Falkenstein and Carlos Alfaro of Students for Liberty, a libertarian youth organization, favor gay human rights and freedom of choice for women. They oppose the War on Terror and the War on Drugs. They believe in free market ideals; however, they fear the political power of big corporations. They stated the U.S. should be placing goods rather than troops in other countries.

More than anything else that can be said, the Patriots are fearful. They fear the loss of the quality of life they and their parents enjoyed following World War II; however, they also believe that the unions who led the battle for the wages and benefits they received are becoming too powerful. They fear the influx of immigrants and the loss of “American” jobs; however, they overlook that every single one of them is either an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants. They fear the loss of the moral values they were raised with; however, they are quick to deny others the choices they have had the freedom to make.

Those who join the Tea Party Patriots could be your parents, the veteran next door, the Little League coach, or the guy at the hardware store. They are hard-working, conservative, self-sufficient people who are afraid for the future of their families and their way of life. Having been empowered by the rewards of their efforts, they now feel helpless to confront the forces that threaten them. They feel compelled to do something, anything, to defend their beliefs. They are drawn to the Tea Party to meet like-minded patriotic people and to “make a difference.”

The fears of the Patriots are not unreasonable. However, it is not reasonable for their leaders to encourage and to take advantage of their fears; nor is it right that the leaders sell out the membership to those who finance their efforts to influence Patriots to act against their own self interest.
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As soon as Sean Hannity started organizing "Tea Party Rallies" with locations that just happened to coincide with his national book tour - i knew the movement had been hijacked.

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I have come to the conclusion that unless we put our politicians on an island or in a house together with cameras and a film crew where one gets voted out every week, America will remain stupid about politics. Just look at this s@#t! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reality_television_programs


I think you are onto something here.

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The Tea Party is not just a pathetic joke: They are the active arm of the mega-rich that chokes out the little guy. They are paraded around with signs and slogans, given inordinate media attention by the mega-rich, and generally create a panic that influences voting.

The Tea Party are Ultra-nationalists with Utopian ideology and undertones of racism. I don't think any comparisons are necessary.

The left doesn't seem to mind all that much, and continues to support the torture of Bradley Manning. In fact a member of the Obama Administration was forced out today for speaking out.

It is despicable.

I posted this article in the satire yesterday, but it's so true as to be applicable in this discussion.
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Wow ...seriously , that's you're user name huh? And from reading your two post , you seem to buy that "left/right" good guy bad guy bullshit too...or did I read that wrong?
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As soon as Sean Hannity started organizing "Tea Party Rallies" with locations that just happened to coincide with his national book tour - i knew the movement had been hijacked.

Yes that was a definite indicator to tell me the neocons hijacked the Tea Party.
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Below are two excerpts from Webster Tarpley’s radio show, in which Mr. Tarpley assesses the Tea Party from a sociological perspective. I imagine some will take issue with Tarpley’s analysis, and that’s fine; but I would ask that you not merely assert that his analysis is wrong, but offer a fact-based explanation as to why you think it’s wrong (or partly wrong).

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“On the Republican side, you can see the Republican strategy. They started with an array of themes last August [‘09]. There were moments in this [health care] debate where Republicans, including McCain, forced votes in the Senate on the 500 billion dollars of Medicare cuts. There was a general awareness coming from people like Dick Morris (an unsavory figure, but nevertheless a successful manipulator in the tradition of Lee Atwater, Karl Rove and others)….Dick Morris pointed out that the way to defeat the Obama bill was to turn the senior citizens against it (the over 65s), to convince them -- to show them -- that the $500 billion in Medicare cuts was a threat to their lives and their future well-being. That is to say, an effective Republican strategy would have concentrated on saying: ‘Don’t let Obama take your Medicare away!’ That’s effective.

“Instead you saw -- as the debate went on, you heard less and less about that, and more and more of the wild, reactionary yahoo charges, ‘Oh, it’s communism! Oh, it’s socialism!’ and above all, ‘Government takeover! Government takeover! Government takeover!’ Well, I’m sorry, it’s not a government takeover of healthcare; it’s a takeover of government by the insurance companies -- and by Big Pharma, don’t forget them. Big Pharma is now shielded from any future attempt to import drugs from Europe, Canada, Japan, where they’re just as good as they are here, or better.…This [was] bargained away by Obama before anything else started. So it [ObamaCare] is essentially the federal government turned into a tool of Big Pharma to keep out foreign competitors -- a cartel in that sense -- and then the insurance cartel that we talked about just a minute ago. So, the Republican slogan -- this constant litany: ‘Government takeover! Government takeover!’ -- this is not effective. Nobody cares. People want access to health care, and whether it’s a government bureaucracy or a private sector bureaucracy means very little to the average person. So the Republicans essentially deliberately narrowed their own base.

“It’s similar to what the Republican operatives did, now, with their manipulation and duping of the Tea Party. They made the Tea Party as narrow as they could. That is to say, there were no Ron Paul people at the Tea Party, there were no PUMA Democrats, there was no anti-war in any way. You had to be a warmonger to get into the Tea Party. This makes no sense.

“Now, let’s just look at the interesting example here [in] Washington last Saturday [3/20/10]….We had two demonstrations going on: we had the tea baggers at the Capitol, and then we had the peaceniks at the White House.  Now, let’s look at the tea baggers first. I had the opportunity to visit both of these. The thing that you see with the tea baggers is, of course, this is a lily-white group. This is a rather comfortable, rather well-heeled, middle class group. The main thing you see with the Tea Party is that these are retired military, retired military, retired military. I had a chance to talk to quite a few of them, and, lo and behold, in the course of most conversations it would turn out that this was retired military. They would come with their hats, the ship that they were on, their Army or Marines t-shirt at all ages, and so forth. They’re retired military. So what does that mean? It means that they have got their piece of the federal budget. They’re all on U.S. government military pensions. They’re all available to get TRICARE, or Veterans Administration medical care. There’s an element of hypocrisy in this -- and I’m sorry -- which is: ‘I’ve got my piece of the federal budget, I’ve got my pension, I’ve got my health care for life, and you can be damned!’ The thirty or forty million [without health insurance] they don’t care about. So there’s essentially an element of bad faith at the heart of this.

“And, of course, the people running this are all Republican operatives. They’re all Republican think-tankers. We’ve gone through it before: Richard Mellon Scaife, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Heartland Institute, Dick Armey (Republican leader) -- they're all a bunch of Republicans.”

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio broadcast, 3/27/10, 1st hour


“In terms of sociology, here’s our premise: there is no Tea Party. The media talk about nothing else. The media are interested in keeping alive the fantasy, the myth by now, that there’s such thing as the Tea Party as an actual sociological movement. There is no such thing.

“The Washington post did a series of attempted phone calls…to contact these people. They went to Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works and the rest of these astroturfing organizations. These are essentially Republican PACs that re-baptized themselves ‘Tea Party.’ In 2004 they were ‘reelect Bush.’ In 2006 they were ‘support Denny Hastert and Tom DeLay.’ And then in 2010 they become: ‘we’re the Tea Party, we’re the insurgents.’ This should fool nobody. This is the Sal Russo corner of the world. And, again, these are Republican operatives, professionals who have now succeeded in completely absorbing whatever Tea Party there was into the Republican Party.

“Now, the Washington Post found -- the allegation was that there was 2,400 Tea Party organizations, that’s what these astroturf groups claim -- [the] Washington Post tried to contact them….They were able to make contact with 600 of these, and the overwhelming finding was that they did nothing: that they had no relation to elections; that they didn’t support candidates, they didn’t have their own candidates, they didn’t have their own program, they didn’t do anything much. They were essentially social clubs. They would meet for coffee or bowling or a skit, or some other kind of friendly neighborhood activity. It means that the rank-and-file -- the grassroots structure of what was the Tea Party -- is now completely gone.

“Nevertheless, what you can [see when you] look at Tea Party -- you can certainly see, when Beck calls for a demonstration, he gets 100,000 or whatever he gets. You can have these Tea Party rallies over issues. This is now the same method as we’ve described in Obama: The Postmodern Coup.

“Remember, take a look in Obama: The Postmodern Coup at the entire chapter that’s devoted to ‘swarming adolescents’ [and] ‘rebellious hysteria’ -- the distinguished article by Jonathan Mowat -- about how the color revolutions are now organized. This is based on CIA practice in the Philippines against Marcos in the 1980s; what went on in Iran in the late 70s against the Shah, in bringing in the other regime that we see now; and the thing that was then prolonged into the Belgrade overthrow of Milosevic in 2000/2001; and the Kiev Orange Revolution that put Yushchenko and that gang into power; the NATO agents and IMF agents, the Roses Revolution in Tblisi, Georgia that put in the madman Saakashvili, the warmonger; the attempted Cedars Revolution in Lebanon, and so on and so forth around the world, using demagogic leaders, slogans, branding; Tea Party [is] obviously one of them, all these costumes, the 18th-century costumes, ‘don’t tread on me,’ -- these are all essentially the applications of the same method….It’s also the case of Obama. The Obama campaign of ‘07/’08 was exactly the same thing; it was an astroturfing method that took the existing militants and the existing activists of the anti-Bush/anti-Cheney impeachment movement, which was reaching down deep into the middle class, the anti-war movement and other popular movements, and recycled them into dupes and useful idiots for Obama -- and then threw them away.

“And that’s where we stand now: these movements have essentially been swept away and destroyed.

“At the beginning with the Tea Party, you did have a certain spontaneous aspect -- this cannot be denied -- in the first half of 2009. I would point in particular to the sociology. Having talked with Tea Party people, gone to some demonstrations, and attempted to profile these groups sociologically, what do you find? You find a lot of stock brokers, you find a lot of real estate brokers. What does that mean? These are people who are appendages of Wall Street, appendages of the great speculative machine -- the retail broker, the local financial adviser. The real estate broker -- we can see the character of the hero’s mother in the latest Oliver Stone movie: she’s caught up in the flipping houses routine on Long Island. They are people who imagine themselves to be in some kind of a symbiosis with Wall Street -- they think that their personal interests are bound up with Wall Street -- and therefore their instinctive view, as we’ve seen, the Tea Party view tends to mimic and ape the finance capital view.

“For example: the fact that the Tea Party program of gut and cut is exactly the same as the George Shultz program announced in the pages of the Wall Street Journal, where we find that the things that you’ve got to do according to George Shultz are tax cuts for the rich, savage cuts in domestic discretionary spending, savage cuts in the entitlement spending; no new regulations -- gut those -- and have (he said) a rule-bound or predictable international financial policy. Well, to the extent that the Tea Party people have anything to say about this, that’s what it was from the very beginning.

“But, again, you also had a lot of retired military, who had been ideologized in that obvious way of hyper-patriotism, and so forth, but also people who knew that their nests had been fully lined with Pentagon TRICARE and military pensions that are much better than Medicare or Social Security, and who felt that they didn’t need anybody else climbing onto that bandwagon -- they wanted to pull the ladder up now that they had gone up it. And they have all kinds of reasons why they want this to be so.

“But in the mean time, that, I think, has completely atrophied, and what you’ve got now is the dominion of astroturfing groups funded by the Koch brothers; funded by Richard Mellon Scaife, the Olin Foundation, the Smith-Richardson Foundation, and so forth, getting into the act, and supporting the Heartland Institute and the network of reactionary think tanks that you have all over the place. And this has now become a phantom. It’s an ideological phantom which these commentators cite constantly as if it really exists. Well, it doesn’t exist.”

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio broadcast, 11/06/10, 2nd hour

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Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?
« Reply #101 on: April 25, 2011, 03:18:44 PM »
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Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?

Chuck Baldwin
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April 25, 2011

Back in February of 2010, I appeared on Neil Cavuto’s FOXBusiness TV show to talk about the emergence and effectiveness of America’s Tea Party movement. I warned FOX biz host Charles Payne that I was very concerned about the Tea Parties being infiltrated and taken over by big-government neocons.

See my interview on Neil Cavuto’s show (hosted by Charles Payne):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siN8zB6Y9HE

With more than a year having gone by since that interview, I believe the concerns I expressed on FOX were more than warranted. I am seeing more and more Tea Parties fall into the same trap, as did their predecessors back in the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994 and ‘95.

Right here in my home State of Montana, voters overwhelmingly threw the liberal Democrats out of both State houses and replaced them with Republicans who campaigned on strong conservative rhetoric. But what has happened since? Neocon Republicans in leadership positions squashed the best legislation and bullied compromised, big-government legislation through both chambers. The result: big-government neocons, once again, stymied and squashed the efforts of constitutionalist GOP legislators.

A press release at the half-way point of the Montana legislative session stated, “According to Montana Conservatives’ just-released mid session scorecard, the new wave of Republican legislators elected in November’s landslide are actually voting less conservative than their party’s incumbents.

“This is not good news for Tea Party organizers and other conservative activists, who were hopeful the strong conservative mood of the fall elections would sweep into office a new breed of bolder conservative voices. Instead, the organization’s Taxpayer Advisory Bulletin (TAB) reveals that returning GOP legislators (including those who switched houses) voted 46% conservative through the transmittal break, while newcomers graded a slightly lower 43%. Democratic legislators had an average conservative score of 7%.

“Commenting, MC spokesman Roger Koopman said, ‘This poor performance of Republican freshmen perpetuates what is functionally a three-party system in Helena, consisting of small government Republicans, big government Republicans and big government Democrats. The pattern has existed for years. Consequently, even with large Republican majorities in both houses, conservative ideas remain in the minority and the overall thrust of the legislature is toward bigger, more intrusive government, with greater state control and less individual freedom.’”

See the TAB press release and report at:

http://tinyurl.com/4ynbd9l

What the report does not make a point to say is that the poor performance of many of these freshman GOP legislators is primarily due to the political pressure brought upon them by big-government neocons in leadership positions within the GOP State caucus. This is the same thing that has been going on in State legislatures all over America, and even more so in Washington, D.C. When the courageous freshman class of 1994 was elected to the US House of Representatives, everyone was talking about the great “Conservative Revolution” that had just taken place. Conservative freshman House members such as Helen Chenowith, Bob Barr, Steve Largent, J.C. Watts, J.D. Hayworth, Joe Scarborough, Sonny Bono, etc., marched into the US Capitol with broad support from the American electorate and a sense of commitment to reign in an out-of-control federal leviathan in Washington, D.C. So, what happened? Were any federal departments dismantled? No. Was the size and scope of the federal government reduced? No. Was federal spending reduced? No. Within a year from that historic election in 1994, the “Conservative Revolution” was dead, and it was “business as usual” in Washington, D.C.

Why did this happen? Two reasons: big-government neocon GOP Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich and big-government neocon GOP Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott. These two big-government establishment phony conservatives used their leadership positions to stymie, steamroll, and squash the conservative agenda of the 1994 conservative freshman Republicans.

And the same way that Gingrich and Lott killed the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994 in Washington, D.C., big-government neocons in the State legislatures (including here in Montana) have killed and are killing the limited-government revolutions of the various Tea Parties in 2010 and ’11. Beyond that, many Tea Party leaders and activists are currently touting the Presidential candidacy of the same man who helped kill the “Conservative Revolution” of 1994: former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich.

In my interview on FOX, I said that I was angrier with the Republican Party than I was the Democrat Party. If you listened to the interview referenced above, you heard my reason why: with Democrats there is no pretense. One knows exactly what the Donkeys stand for: Big Government, more taxes, more spending, more welfare, etc. Republicans, however, constantly campaign for less government, less taxes, less spending, less welfare, etc., but after they are elected, they continue the big-spending ways of their colleagues on the other side of the aisle (then throw in their own propensities to expand a burgeoning Police State and Warfare State). Say what you want, at least Democrats are honest about their affinity for Big Government.

If Tea Party activists really believe they are going to change the size and direction of government (at any level) by promoting and electing people such as Newt Gingrich, they are living in fantasyland. (Or, if they live in Montana, they are smoking too much of the weed that they seem hell-bent to deny everyone else!)

Furthermore, this whole Republican vs. Democrat, or “conservative” vs. liberal, paradigm is a joke, anyway! Voters have been replacing Democrats with Republicans, liberals with “conservatives” (and vice versa) for decades; and what has it gotten us? Nothing but bigger and bigger government; more and more government spending; more and more welfare programs; more and more taxes; more and more Police-State legislation; more and more political correctness; more and more environmental wackoism; more and more foreign wars; less and less freedom; and less and less State autonomy.

Koopman’s “three party” description is well taken, except I might refine it a little by maintaining that we still have only two parties: socialist Democrats and neocon Republicans in one party, and limited-government, freedom-oriented constitutionalists in the other party. It’s time that people start identifying big-government neocons in the GOP as being nothing more than a clandestine fifth column unit of the Democrat Party!

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Re: Have The Tea Parties Been Neoconned?
« Reply #102 on: April 25, 2011, 03:42:06 PM »
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Koopman’s “three party” description is well taken, except I might refine it a little by maintaining that we still have only two parties: socialist Democrats and neocon Republicans in one party, and limited-government, freedom-oriented constitutionalists in the other party.

I have a news flash for Mr. Baldwin: not everyone who disagrees with both the "socialist Democrats" and "neocon Republicans" is a hardcore "conservative" or right-wing "libertarian" who's chomping at the bit to slash the social safety net at the very time it's needed most.

So while I share his disdain for the false left-vs.-right/Democrat-vs.-Republican paradigm, I strongly oppose the equally false Austrian School "capitalism"-vs.-Marxist "socialism" paradigm in which his mind is apparently enslaved, and which he and countless others go out of their way to promote and reinforce.
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Didn't see this on here yet. THUG NeoCon Tea Party pretender Allen West
had Radio Host Nicole Sandler arrested & put in solitary confinement FOR
ASKING THE WRONG QUESTION at a Town Hall meeting!
Google it. Its on the national news. Happened In Fort Lauderdale, FL.
Alex should contact Sandler for the whole story.
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The Tea Parties Now Have Their Man
« Reply #104 on: April 30, 2011, 10:29:42 AM »
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The Tea Parties Now Have Their Man

Chuck Baldwin
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April 30, 2011

After I wrote my last column, several Tea Party activists contacted me to let me know that they had not been “neoconned.” They made it plain in no uncertain terms that they would never support establishment neocon Republicans such as Newt Gingrich for the office of President of the United States. Most assuredly, I was glad to hear from these folks; I only wish my mail box had been swamped with such correspondence–it wasn’t!



See my column at:

       http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=3425

At this point, it may be helpful if I give a little history lesson. The Tea Party movement began in 2007 as a grassroots effort to support the 2008 Presidential candidacy of Congressman Ron Paul of Texas. I am proud to say that I was part of that effort. In fact, I actively campaigned for Dr. Paul in at least four states during that election cycle: Alabama, Florida, Iowa, and South Carolina. I was even honored to represent Dr. Paul in a major South Carolina GOP banquet, in which sitting US congressmen and senators were selected from around the country to represent most of the other Republican Presidential candidates. (I wish readers could have been a fly on the wall to witness the goings on at the speaker’s table during the banquet as these GOP congressmen and senators tried to figure out who I was, and what the heck I was doing there. It was quite a sight!) I well remember that, as I came down from the speaker’s platform, one US Senator told me that my promotion of Dr. Paul’s candidacy that night was the best presentation on behalf of the Texas congressman that he had ever heard. Since then, I have spoken at numerous Tea Party events and appeared on both local and national media outlets (and numerous private videos and recordings) discussing the merits of the Tea Party movement and promoting the candidacy of Dr. Paul.

We need to get this straight: the Tea Party movement was never about electing Republicans–especially neocon Republicans! The Tea Party movement began as a grassroots effort to reduce the size and scope of the federal government; to rid America of the oppressive tax burden under which it currently groans; to eliminate the Federal Reserve; to return America to sound money; to stop the federal government’s obsession with foreign entanglements and wars; and to return America to constitutional governance. And there was only one man within the two major parties that was going to bring about those changes in 2008: Congressman Ron Paul, which is why the Tea Party was birthed as a grassroots extension of his campaign.

Since then, however, many GOP shills and toadies have jumped on the Tea Party bandwagon and have attempted to redefine its goals and objectives, including many of the talking heads on FOX News. In truth, many Tea Party activists regularly look to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and other “conservative” celebrities to champion their cause.

Need I remind everyone that Hannity has hardly ever met a Republican that he didn’t gush over. And I couldn’t count how many times we’ve seen Mr. Neocon himself, Newt Gingrich, on Hannity’s show. And as much as many people will cringe to hear this (and as much as I appreciate many things that Beck has to say), it was Glenn Beck who literally sabotaged a legitimate Tea Party candidate, Debra Medina, on his show. I would even dare say that Medina might have been elected Texas governor had it not been for the hatchet job Beck did on her. And as much as I like Sarah Palin for her fervent pro-life and pro-Second Amendment convictions, when it comes to foreign affairs, she is just another shill for the pro-war, military-industrial complex that has dominated US foreign policy since the days of Lyndon Johnson.

In 2008, the Tea Party movement supported one candidate: Ron Paul. He was the only Presidential candidate who had the guts to say the Federal Reserve was corrupt and needed to be eliminated; he was the only candidate (with the exception of Dennis Kucinich) who said the war in Iraq was unnecessary and unconstitutional; he was the only candidate who sponsored the Sanctity of Life Act, which would recognize the right of the states to nullify Roe vs. Wade; he was the only Republican candidate to speak out against the USA Patriot Act, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and other draconian police-state-type legislation and departments; and he was the only man from either party who had the guts to say the US should stop sending foreign aid to all countries–even Israel.

Now, here we are four years later. And, once again, the man who was responsible for the Tea Party movement coming into existence has entered the 2012 race for President. See the story, as it is reported in the National Journal:

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Greenbackers not welcome in the original Tea Party?
« Reply #105 on: April 30, 2011, 10:49:58 AM »
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We need to get this straight: the Tea Party movement was never about electing Republicans–especially neocon Republicans! The Tea Party movement began as a grassroots effort to reduce the size and scope of the federal government; to rid America of the oppressive tax burden under which it currently groans; to eliminate the Federal Reserve;

And replace it with what?

Must that question always be begged instead of candidly addressed?

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to return America to sound money;

As I explain here, the euphemism "sound money" is Austrian School code for instituting a new gold standard.

So does this mean that Greenbackers like myself would not have been welcome in the original, non-Republican Tea Party?

If it doesn't mean that, you're doing an awfully bad job conveying that message.

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the reason why the original Tea Party was so easily hijacked by Republican Party operatives is that it blindly insisted on narrowing its base to only those individuals who categorically agreed with the right-wing economic dogma of the privatize-everything Austrian School.

By narrowing its base to "conservatives" and right-wing "libertarians" who are as devoted to austerity fascism -- i.e., to cutting the social safety net at the very time its needed most -- as any neocon, the original Tea Party practically begged to be hijacked.

Just calling it like I see it, folks, so please don't blame the messenger.
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“The Washington post did a series of attempted phone calls…to contact these people. They went to Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, Freedom Works and the rest of these astroturfing organizations. These are essentially Republican PACs that re-baptized themselves ‘Tea Party.’ In 2004 they were ‘reelect Bush.’ In 2006 they were ‘support Denny Hastert and Tom DeLay.’ And then in 2010 they become: ‘we’re the Tea Party, we’re the insurgents.’ This should fool nobody. This is the Sal Russo corner of the world. And, again, these are Republican operatives, professionals who have now succeeded in completely absorbing whatever Tea Party there was into the Republican Party.

“Now, the Washington Post found -- the allegation was that there was 2,400 Tea Party organizations, that’s what these astroturf groups claim -- [the] Washington Post tried to contact them….They were able to make contact with 600 of these, and the overwhelming finding was that they did nothing: that they had no relation to elections; that they didn’t support candidates, they didn’t have their own candidates, they didn’t have their own program, they didn’t do anything much. They were essentially social clubs. They would meet for coffee or bowling or a skit, or some other kind of friendly neighborhood activity. It means that the rank-and-file -- the grassroots structure of what was the Tea Party -- is now completely gone.

—Webster Tarpley, World Crisis Radio broadcast, 11/06/10, 2nd hour

I'm suprised no one responded to this, because it calls into question a claim that I continue to hear made almost daily -- that a large portion of the loosely defined "Tea Party" has yet to be absorbed into the Republican Party.

Now, I'd like to believe this claim, but the problem is that I've seen no evidence that would justify doing so. I'm not saying the 9/11 truthers and Ron Paul enthusiasts who composed the original Tea Party aren't still politically active on an individual basis, just that the only thing I'm aware of that still passes for an actual "organization" is the Republicanized Tea Party as described by Webster Tarpley in the excperts I posted from his radio show (scroll up to read).

So if Tarpley's analysis is indeed wrong (and I'm open to the possibility that it is), then would someone please provide evidence in support of this?
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I'm suprised no one responded to this, because it calls into question a claim that I continue to hear made almost daily -- that a large portion of the loosely defined "Tea Party" has yet to be absorbed into the Republican Party.

Now, I'd like to believe this claim, but the problem is that I've seen no evidence that would justify doing so. I'm not saying the 9/11 truthers and Ron Paul enthusiasts who composed the original Tea Party aren't still politically active on an individual basis, just that the only thing I'm aware of that still passes for an actual "organization" is the Republicanized Tea Party as described by Webster Tarpley in the excperts I posted from his radio show (scroll up to read).

So if Tarpley's analysis is indeed wrong (and I'm open to the possibility that it is), then would someone please provide evidence in support of this?

Personally, I think it more important to get people to understand liberty, than to organize, because they have to know what they're actually fighting for -- otherwise they're just blindly following, and that shallowness just makes them weak.
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No we need to organize on the state levels and with 3rd and 4th parties.

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No we need to organize on the state levels and with 3rd and 4th parties.

Agreed. The reason why ruling-class oligarchs are having such a ridiculously easy time fleecing and oppressing the masses is that they are organized while their victims are not.
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Agreed. The reason why ruling-class oligarchs are having such a ridiculously easy time fleecing and oppressing the masses is that they are organized while their victims are not.

Said victims are mostly organised among the establishment left and establishment right, still stuck in the two party paradigm and too trusting of established authority.

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Indeed true. The genuine TP was a decentralized, undefined populist movement that kept growing after Ron Paul suspended his 2008 candidacy for President. Even though rudderless, it was still growing supporters among rank and file Republicans and (gasp) Democrats. They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

The establishment controllers can't stand uncontrolled movements that might obliterate the two party paradigm, so they swung into action. The media started crying "racism" and extremism at the TP (to scare Democrats away from it, from without), then started co-opting it into the Republican fold (to implode it, from within). The end result is in the voting records of the TP candidates voted into Congress this year---only 10% of them actually vote like liberty advocates consistently. That fall from potent new mass movement force, to pathetic more-war/more debt/more government joke, is a sad but not surprising example of how efficiently the system neutralizes and smothers anything that might upset the NWO program.
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Indeed true. The genuine TP was a decentralized, undefined populist movement that kept growing after Ron Paul suspended his 2008 candidacy for President. Even though rudderless, it was still growing supporters among rank and file Republicans and (gasp) Democrats. They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

The establishment controllers can't stand uncontrolled movements that might obliterate the two party paradigm, so they swung into action. The media started crying "racism" and extremism at the TP (to scare Democrats away from it, from without), then started co-opting it into the Republican fold (to implode it, from within). The end result is in the voting records of the TP candidates voted into Congress this year---only 10% of them actually vote like liberty advocates consistently. That fall from potent new mass movement force, to pathetic more-war/more debt/more government joke, is a sad but not surprising example of how efficiently the system neutralizes and smothers anything that might upset the NWO program.

I enjoyed that post!
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Mitt Romney Splits Tea Party Groups
« Reply #113 on: June 08, 2011, 06:59:18 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/mitt-romney-tea-party-not-acceptable_n_873133.html

Mitt Romney Splits Tea Party Groups

by Michael McAuliff
TheHuffingtonPost.com
June 8, 2011

WASHINGTON -- Leaders of one of the Tea Party's larger grassroots coalitions are hammering a rival group for saying the Tea Party will back whichever Republican wins the presidential primary, even if that candidate is Mitt Romney.

Tea Party Express Co-Chairman Amy Kremer made the offending comments on Fox News over the weekend, saying, "Whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement -- the entire Tea Party movement."

She added, "If Romney is the nominee, I believe that we want to defeat Barack Obama."

The offering of support for both the GOP and the front-running Romney did not sit well with the Tea Party Patriots, which claims more than 3,000 affiliated local groups.

"A pledge of allegiance to the Republican Party, or any other party, violates what the Tea Party movement is all about and is completely out of touch with grassroots Americans," Jenny Beth Martin, a co-founder of the Patriots group, said in a statement.

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They disrupted town halls of both Democrat and GOP candidates with real questions, and succeeded in strongly challenging (or outright ousting) many establishment pols in the primaries of 2008, a feat that sent shock waves across the elite.

I meant to say the primaries of 2010, which is where the battle over the TP was fully joined. Once the establishment noticed it not only had staying power over 2008, but was actually ousting entrenched pols or giving them a scare in the primaries, they determined the movement had to be destroyed and/or co-opted. The Tea Party Express statement is exactly what they want, a movement fully captured by one or the other two controlled parties. The TP voices objecting to the statement are the true movement voices.
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I meant to say the primaries of 2010, which is where the battle over the TP was fully joined. Once the establishment noticed it not only had staying power over 2008, but was actually ousting entrenched pols or giving them a scare in the primaries, they determined the movement had to be destroyed and/or co-opted. The Tea Party Express statement is exactly what they want, a movement fully captured by one or the other two controlled parties. The TP voices objecting to the statement are the true movement voices.
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WHAT MAY HAVE BEGUN AS A RIGHTEOUS MOVE HAVE BEEN INFILTRATED ANDD PERVERTED.

Yes, but why was it so easily infiltrated and perverted?

As I said on page 3 of this thread:

I'm becoming more and more convinced that the reason why the original Tea Party was so easily hijacked by Republican Party operatives is that it blindly insisted on narrowing its base to only those individuals who categorically agreed with the right-wing economic dogma of the privatize-everything Austrian School.

By narrowing its base to "conservatives" and right-wing "libertarians" who are as devoted to austerity fascism -- i.e., to cutting the social safety net at the very time its needed most -- as any neocon, the original Tea Party practically begged to be hijacked.

Although royal libertarians, to their credit, are usually anti-war and anti-police state, they have a self-defeating tendency to poison their own well by railing self-righteously against the social safety net while simultaneously defending -- in the name of "liberty," of course -- the privileges (see this, this and this) that gave rise to the horrific economic conditions that in turn created (in the minds of the masses) the apparent need for a social safety net in the first place.

Thus, as long as they dominate the liberty movement, the countless millions of people out there who share their disdain for both imperialist wars of aggression and Nazi-style police state measures -- but who do not share their fondness for the anarcho-capitalist dogma of the Austrian School -- will continue to keep their distance (since they have better things to do with their time than listen to label-obsessed reactionaries call them freedom-hating "socialists" all day long).

Until they wake up to this fact and change their tactics accordlingly, they'll continue to be their own worst enemies.
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The Tea Party Is a Brown-Shirt Movement, Mostly
Posted by Anthony Gregory on June 6, 2011 12:55 PM

It was obvious in the beginning of 2009 when all of a sudden many of them sprung up crying out for their liberty, after years of silence under the fascist Bush administration. They focused on culture-war hot buttons and symbolic battles while ignoring the programs that actually threatened fiscal catastrophe: Medicare and Social Security, which the older demographic behind this movement tended always to support since they guaranteed their status as tax feeders. Meanwhile, most of the Tea Party types complained that Obama the alleged Marxist Muslim wasn't murdering enough people abroad, torturing and detaining enough Muslims and enemies of the state, or deporting enough people for the crime of crossing the border—although in every case, Obama has actually been like Bush but more so.

Now a big Tea Party leader says, on behalf of her movement, that they will support any Republican in 2012—even Mitt Romney, the socialist who doesn't even have a better position on free market health care than Obama. This is a partisan and hypocritical movement, as many on LRC warned from the beginning (Ryan McMaken and I sounded the alarm more than two years ago; Laurence Vance warned about it consistently, even up to the 2010 election; Lew Rockwell told us to brace ourselves for betrayal). Regime libertarians have been praising this movement for two years, but LRC writers always saw through the subterfuge.

Is this to say there was no one decent in these protests? That no libertarian impulse was there? That no good-faith, everyday Americans frustrated by the status quo jumped on the bandwagon for understandable reasons? Of course not. But in the main, the Tea Party was always even more of a disingenuous coalition than the antiwar movement of 2003, which has turned out to be an anti-Bush movement more interested in electing Democrats and socializing the economy than stopping the slaughter of innocents overseas.

How do we identify a mass movement that's actually for freedom? The Ron Paul movement, especially its youth, is a great example of one: It is passionate about war, opposed to the central bank, jealous of all civil liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, opposed to the federal police state, wants to end the income tax outright and looks at the entire national leviathan as the enemy, not as savior or an extension of the national will. In short, it loves personal liberty, economic liberty, and peace with all foreign nations, and hates government. If you want to know if someone is serious about freedom, ask him about the last president, U.S. war, or major federal program that he admires. If he names anything from the last sixty years, he is obviously not serious about the short-term threat and long-term struggle for liberty.

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Posted by Anthony Gregory on June 6, 2011 12:55 PM

How do we identify a mass movement that's actually for freedom? The Ron Paul movement, especially its youth, is a great example of one: It is passionate about war, opposed to the central bank, jealous of all civil liberties protected by the Bill of Rights, opposed to the federal police state, wants to end the income tax outright and looks at the entire national leviathan as the enemy, not as savior or an extension of the national will. In short, it loves personal liberty, economic liberty, and peace with all foreign nations, and hates government.

Translation: if you disagree with certain of Ron Paul's Austrian School views on economics, then even if you agree with him on ending wars of aggression and dismantling the police state, you still hate "freedom" and are hence not welcome in his movement (unless, of course, you agree to keep your mouth shut whenever you hear someone advocate instituting a new gold standard or making our tax system even more friendly to rent-seeking land speculators than it already is).

My thanks to Anthony Gregory for proving my point about how the Austrian School-dominated Tea Party movement of 2007/2008 needlessly narrowed its own base, and thereby made itself unnecessarily vulnerable to being hijacked by Republican Party operatives who, of course, have made a career out of parroting the very same empty platitudes about "economic liberty" (an obvious illustration of this being the euphemism-laced "Contract from America" which begins this thread.)

I'm sure more such proof is forthcoming.
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Translation: if you disagree with certain of Ron Paul's Austrian School views on economics, then even if you agree with him on ending wars of aggression and dismantling the police state, you still hate "freedom" and are hence not welcome in his movement (unless, of course, you agree to keep your mouth shut whenever you hear someone advocate instituting a new gold standard or making our tax system even more friendly to rent-seeking land speculators than it already is).

My thanks to Anthony Gregory for proving my point about how the Austrian School-dominated Tea Party movement of 2007/2008 needlessly narrowed its own base, and thereby made itself unnecessarily vulnerable to being hijacked by Republican Party operatives who, of course, have made a career out of parroting the very same empty platitudes about "economic liberty" (an obvious illustration of this being the euphemism-laced "Contract from America" which begins this thread.)

I'm sure more such proof is forthcoming.

The Contract with America was introduced by Neoconservative Neuter Gingrich.  Ron Paul (R-TX) was not part of it nor does he subscribe to neocons.



"...An October 2010 Washington Post canvass of local Tea Party organizers found 87% saying "dissatisfaction with mainstream Republican Party leaders" was "an important factor in the support the group has received so far".[24] "
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Ron Paul’s Shocking Message To The Tea Party


"Ron Paul believes the Tea Party is not about “left” or “right” like a lot of political pundits make it out to be. It’s about the constitution, and limited government."
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