census question...

[xopatriot]

What information am I legally bound to provide them? I ask because I just had one of the government minions come by my place.

[larsonstdoc]

Names and birthdates of anybody living at your house.

[xopatriot]

Thanks!
One more question where can I go to find that information so I can have something to stand on when they come back.

[echoes]

i slightly changed the wording to my liking and sent this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/52847.html

btw, @ larsonstdoc
i don't think the name & birthdate are relevant to the purpose of the census.

[larsonstdoc]

i slightly changed the wording to my liking and sent this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/52847.html

btw, @ larsonstdoc
i don't think the name & birthdate are relevant to the purpose of the census.

  That's all they asked for.  That's all I gave them.

[xopatriot]

Excellent. Thanks echoes. When they stopped by all I provided was how many people lived here nothing more. To which the minion replied, that's fine we will just send someone else out here. I said no problem told her to have a good day  and that was that. She was polite I just hope the next minion is just as nice and does not start threatening me.

[larsonstdoc]

i slightly changed the wording to my liking and sent this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/52847.html

btw, @ larsonstdoc
i don't think the name & birthdate are relevant to the purpose of the census.

 I also gave them the sex of the individuals.  I saw no intrusion.  Filled it out and put it in the mail.  They know who lives at my house anyway.  Just didn't want them knocking at my door.

[TheCaliKid]

What information am I legally bound to provide them? I ask because I just had one of the government minions come by my place.

How many people live at your residence on 4-1-10. That's it.

Anything more is breaking the LAW.

[donnay]

Excellent. Thanks echoes. When they stopped by all I provided was how many people lived here nothing more. To which the minion replied, that's fine we will just send someone else out here. I said no problem told her to have a good day  and that was that. She was polite I just hope the next minion is just as nice and does not start threatening me.

We have told two census workers the amount of people in our home and nothing more--then they have sent out another census worker who wrote on a "Census Notice of Visit" paper, stuck in my door, that they want names and ages of the number of occupants we gave them.  I have ignored the census worker coming to my door since then--I hear their funds run out in June, so I will continue to ignore them until then.  

[paladin]

Just tell them how many people live there.
here's some good info--
http://www.jeffersonreview.com/2010/03/the-census-bureau-vs-privacy/

[MonkeyPuppet]

Names and birthdates of anybody living at your house.

Not true.  The only required information is the number of residents.

If you don't mind giving more information, that's your decision, but certainly not the law.  The census is for enumerating the population.  Additional information can be presumed to be for purposes beyond the scope of the constitutional census.

[lee51]

I was busy teachng a private music lesson in my home when a census lady rang the doorbell. A student's little brother answered the door. She insisted he was my "son" and he just as much insisted he was NOT! He was upset because she didn't believe him.

She asked him to give me the paperwork and then she proceeded to actually CIRCLE AROUND MY HOUSE without my permission!! Snoopy old woman. I didn't know who it was but happened to see her walk by a window. Now why would she do that?  Looking for square footage maybe? Hoping to run into someone hiding behind the house? Hoping to see if we have a swimming pool or not?

They only got names and sex from me--that's it! I mailed it knowing the government takes forever on these kinds of things....hoping to stall anyone coming to my house for a long time.

[Overcast]

How many people live at your residence on 4-1-10. That's it.

Anything more is breaking the LAW.

What if I moved out on just that day and then back on 4-2-10?

[Nailer]

Names and birthdates of anybody living at your house.

they( census worker ) came by my house yesterday and I just told him two people live here and thats all you need to know, and I shut the door in his face.

[rawiron1]

I sent mine in late.  So they showed up.

I told the guy what questions I would and would not answer.  He was completely cool about it and understood where I was coming from.

So I answered just the questions that would allow them to determine that I am a "man of property" and how many eligible voters reside in my house.

Jason

PS I believe that if you do not rent, own, or mortgage property then you should not be allowed to vote.

[larsonstdoc]

Not true.  The only required information is the number of residents.

If you don't mind giving more information, that's your decision, but certainly not the law.  The census is for enumerating the population.  Additional information can be presumed to be for purposes beyond the scope of the constitutional census.

  I'll borrow one of AJ's overused lines--I choose the battles I want to fight.  We have lived here for 16 years.  They know who lives here from my tax returns.  You can fight them, have them come back again and again but I choose not to fight this type of worthless battle.

   The battles I fight are the winnable ones.  I have questioned the taxes on our house 7 times and I it has saved me $34,000 over the years.  Saving $34,000 is battles worth winning.  I get nothing for not telling a stupid census worker what the government already knows.

[RabidSheep]

I suggest you have a copy of this story and post it on your door. I would not open the door for them period.

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Home invaders targeted victim, police say

A Houston city employee killed Saturday in an apparent home invasion by men posing as Census workers appears to have been targeted by his assailants, investigators said.

Reginald Keith Haynes, known to friends and family as Pete, was stabbed to death during the weekend attack after three men forced their way into the home in the 400 block of Truman, according to Houston police.

“We do think that they knew what they were doing,” said homicide Detective Steve Straughter. Haynes was listed as a city Public Works Department employee as of 2007.

The intruders asked about a safe and other specific items as they searched the home and appear to have tortured Haynes, by dunking his head in a bathtub, before killing him, according to Straughter.

Investigators are unclear if the suspects targeted Haynes or the home.

There did not appear to be a safe in the home, according to Straughter, but money and other items were taken.

Family members were tied up earlier in the day before Haynes arrived, and he was ambushed in a hallway, according to police.

A man posing as a Census worker and two male accomplices hiding out of sight from the doorway approached the north Houston home around 2:30 p.m. and rushed inside when the door was opened, relatives told police.

The men were last seen in a white or cream-colored Chevrolet Silverado extended-cab pickup with tinted windows, according to police.

The U.S. Census regional office in Dallas has been in contact with HPD and believes it was an isolated incident.
Special training

Workers are trained to avoid conflict and announce themselves, show their Census identification card, present an official letter upon arrival and carry a messenger bag with official bureau insignia, according to officials.

A second form or picture identification can be requested along with supervisor and regional office contact information.

Census takers also should not ask to come inside, said Census spokeswoman Jenna Arnold.

“If you have a screen door and you're worried, just talk to them through the door,” she said.

Houston Census spokesman Eduardo Guity takes it a step further.

“If you're truly afraid, just let the door ring and the (worker) will leave a piece of paper with their information on it, and you can call and set up an appointment,” he said. “It could be 9, 10 o'clock at night (and) they'll come.”

Census workers on May 1 began knocking on doors of those who haven't yet returned their forms.

[TheCaliKid]

 I'll borrow one of AJ's overused lines--I choose the battles I want to fight.  We have lived here for 16 years.  They know who lives here from my tax returns.  You can fight them, have them come back again and again but I choose not to fight this type of worthless battle.

   The battles I fight are the winnable ones.  I have questioned the taxes on our house 7 times and I it has saved me $34,000 over the years.  Saving $34,000 is battles worth winning.  I get nothing for not telling a stupid census worker what the government already knows.

That's one way to look at it, and I respect that. But guess what? Some of us are landless peasants.

[larsonstdoc]

That's one way to look at it, and I respect that. But guess what? Some of us are landless peasants.

  I don't own my home either.  These jerks are trying to make us all homeless.  We need to try to learn from each other.  We need to fight every tax they try to shove at us.  We need to take it to the streets when they want to put a global tax on us.  Protest everything that's not right.

[xopatriot]

True they already know most of the info, if so then should I really keep getting questioned on what they already know? Maybe next time I should tell them "Call the IRS I am sure they have all the info you need."

[Monkeypox]

My friend didn't send his in.  So far he's had two visits by Census workers.  The first rang his bell and he ignored it.  The second trespassed on his property when he was in his back yard and he chased her away, then called the Census Bureau to complain about her trespassing, LOL.

I debated not sending mine in, but I've been living at the same address for over 6 years, and I know the IRS and Social Security already have my name, address and birth date, so I sent it in.

[MonkeyPuppet]

 I'll borrow one of AJ's overused lines--I choose the battles I want to fight.  We have lived here for 16 years.  They know who lives here from my tax returns.  You can fight them, have them come back again and again but I choose not to fight this type of worthless battle.

   The battles I fight are the winnable ones.  I have questioned the taxes on our house 7 times and I it has saved me $34,000 over the years.  Saving $34,000 is battles worth winning.  I get nothing for not telling a stupid census worker what the government already knows.

Simply answering only the required questioN is not fighting a battle.  It is upholding the law and standing firm on principle in the face of an unlawful request.

They can ask all they want, but we are not required to answer.  There are no fines, fees, or penalties for only answering the single constitutionally required question, so I fail to understand how anyone can view it as a "battle".

[TheCaliKid]

Simply answering only the required questioN is not fighting a battle.  It is upholding the law and standing firm on principle in the face of an unlawful request.

They can ask all they want, but we are not required to answer.  There are no fines, fees, or penalties for only answering the single constitutionally required question, so I fail to understand how anyone can view it as a "battle".

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You loose nothing, and gain everything by answering what the LAW says you have to. And you can be polite to the worker while doing it. Done deal.

[larsonstdoc]

Simply answering only the required questioN is not fighting a battle.  It is upholding the law and standing firm on principle in the face of an unlawful request.

They can ask all they want, but we are not required to answer.  There are no fines, fees, or penalties for only answering the single constitutionally required question, so I fail to understand how anyone can view it as a "battle".

  You may not of thought of this angle but I have.  I believe if I do not cooperate at this low level other things can happen to me such as the IRS coming in and auditing my businesses.  THESE AGENCIES ALL WORK TOGETHER TO TEAR US DOWN.  Now would I rather answer 3 simple questions or trigger an audit that may cost me $5,000 or $10,000 or more?  Just because you "think" you have won because you didn't answer some simple questions doesn't mean you have won.  YOU KNOW THE GOVERNMENT IS INHERENTLY EVIL.

[MonkeyPuppet]

 You may not of thought of this angle but I have.  I believe if I do not cooperate at this low level other things can happen to me such as the IRS coming in and auditing my businesses.  THESE AGENCIES ALL WORK TOGETHER TO TEAR US DOWN.  Now would I rather answer 3 simple questions or trigger an audit that may cost me $5,000 or $10,000 or more?  Just because you "think" you have won because you didn't answer some simple questions doesn't mean you have won.  YOU KNOW THE GOVERNMENT IS INHERENTLY EVIL.

I am thoroughly aware of the evils of tyranny as it has manifested inside our own government.  I highly doubt that answering the single constitutionally required question would trigger an audit with auntie IRIS, but I 100% respect your discernment.

My primary battle front happens to be auntie IRIS... several years running now and the penalties are quite high and continuing to mount.  However, and this is my personal angle on this, the cost of the battle is dwarfed by the gain to be had when the beast is slain.  Without warriors on the front lines, the battle is lost before it begins.

We all must attend to the battlefront as our resources allow.  If there is potential for an audit, arm yourself to defend that front so that you are enabled to take on further fronts.  There are many aspects to this war... almost enough for each of us to take on one alone.  We must be diverse, steadfast, and mount a multi-faceted pincer against tyranny if we wish to be successful.  Narrowing the fight only allows them access to our flank, forcing us to be reactionary.  This would be a very dangerous pigeonhole in which to find ourselves.

Thank you for clarifying that angle, though.  I tend to not regard the IRS as a threat due to being quite desensitized to their oogie boogie crap over the years.

[xopatriot]

The reason I posed the question is because I see no need for me to volunteer personal information. Why should I give them info I am not legally bound to give them? That is why I asked :-)

[Overcast]

The reason I posed the question is because I see no need for me to volunteer personal information. Why should I give them info I am not legally bound to give them? That is why I asked :-)

I'm debating between that and giving them hours and hours of useless drama.

"OMG! Do you know what my brother-in-law did??"