Oil Rig Disaster now has its own Building 7

[Dig]

Not to nitpick but...

The largest drill bit I'm aware of is a 36", casing will be ran after the hole is drilled and will be smaller than the bit diameter to allow enough room for cement (26-30").  So the spewing pipe is not 5ft wide.  Also where the oil is gushing from (the reservoir) the hole diameter is much smaller than at the surface.  I'm not familiar with the particulars of this well plan but the bottom hole diameter is probably less than 8". This diameter is your flow constraint, not the surface casing.  What we don't know is how high the pressure is in the reservoir.

I just got an email from a co-worker that links to a story that the N. Koreans are responsible. Not sure if it is dis-info or a hoax but interesting none the less.

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/us-orders-blackout-over-north-korean-torpedoing-of-gulf-of-mexico-oil-rig/

North Korea is NLE10/Sorcha Fail disinfo, please do not promote it as the Bilderberg disinfo arm is already promoting this crap via their deep state infiltration of alternative news services. Part of NLE10 is to push disinformation and false enemies to evaluate the public reaction to these absurdities...

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=169323.0

[Brady84]

Thanks for the info!  Saves me time looking into it.

[donnay]

Here is the latest communication from my husband:

There are five deep sea construction vessels and two drilling rigs flying
ROVs around the well site, clearing debris and still trying to close the BOP
on the off chance it will work.

One of the vessels is being supported by us, and that is the one that is
injecting the dispersant through a 2 inch tube directly into the leak stream. The
difficult part of my job is to maneuver my vessel close enough to that
vessel, in bad weather, to be able to transfer fresh tanks of dispersant
fluid. Thankfully, the weather is laying down a bit.

I heard this morning that one of the vessels is lowering a "cap" that, if
placed successfully, should slow or stop the flow.

We are, literally, right over the top of the well, and yes, there's a sheen,
and the distinct smell of crude, but, there isn't a foot of black crude on
the water. Just the slightest move or wheel wash breaks the sheen.

I discount the terrorism (either real or staged) angle myself. The exact
same thing happened off Brazil back in 2005 IIRC. Sometimes shit happens,
frankly. IMO the culprit here is a bad cement job by Halliburton followed by
a failure of the BOP when the well started kicking.

As to the SWAT comments, I'm still not sure what that dope smoking fool
meant by that comment, but here's the thing, there isn't a government vessel
within 20 miles of this place. No navy, no SWAT, no Coast Guard. It's just
us, trying to "put the fire out" so to speak. (no, there is NO FIRE, it's
just a turn of phrase)

And frankly, that's as it should be. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are
MMS people around somewhere watching all this go down, but it's not 10,000
cops in uniforms hut hutting around.

[Dig]

Here is the latest communication from my husband:

There are five deep sea construction vessels and two drilling rigs flying
ROVs around the well site, clearing debris and still trying to close the BOP
on the off chance it will work.

One of the vessels is being supported by us, and that is the one that is
injecting the dispersant through a 2 inch tube directly into the leak stream. The
difficult part of my job is to maneuver my vessel close enough to that
vessel, in bad weather, to be able to transfer fresh tanks of dispersant
fluid. Thankfully, the weather is laying down a bit.

I heard this morning that one of the vessels is lowering a "cap" that, if
placed successfully, should slow or stop the flow.

We are, literally, right over the top of the well, and yes, there's a sheen,
and the distinct smell of crude, but, there isn't a foot of black crude on
the water. Just the slightest move or wheel wash breaks the sheen.

I discount the terrorism (either real or staged) angle myself. The exact
same thing happened off Brazil back in 2005 IIRC. Sometimes shit happens,
frankly. IMO the culprit here is a bad cement job by Halliburton followed by
a failure of the BOP when the well started kicking.

As to the SWAT comments, I'm still not sure what that dope smoking fool
meant by that comment, but here's the thing, there isn't a government vessel
within 20 miles of this place. No navy, no SWAT, no Coast Guard. It's just
us, trying to "put the fire out" so to speak. (no, there is NO FIRE, it's
just a turn of phrase)

And frankly, that's as it should be. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are
MMS people around somewhere watching all this go down, but it's not 10,000
cops in uniforms hut hutting around.

there seems to be a large sheet of oil could it be coming from another source and that rig is being blamed?

or could it just be another drill for NLE10?

I mean seriously, NLE10 could be turning into another Rockefeller's HG Wells War of the World's psyops.

[Sheepleprod]

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/view.php?id=43862

[donnay]

there seems to be a large sheet of oil could it be coming from another source and that rig is being blamed?

or could it just be another drill for NLE10?

I mean seriously, NLE10 could be turning into another Rockefeller's HG Wells War of the World's psyops.

Sane,

I just sent what you wrote in an email to my hubby.  I will post any response when he writes back.

[Dig]

Sane,

I just sent what you wrote in an email to my hubby.  I will post any response when he writes back.

cool beans!

[donnay]

there seems to be a large sheet of oil could it be coming from another source and that rig is being blamed?

or could it just be another drill for NLE10?

I mean seriously, NLE10 could be turning into another Rockefeller's HG Wells War of the World's psyops.

Communication from Husband:

Another source?  No, not oil of this type and in this area.

This was a exploratory well in an area that has no other wells around it.

And no, it's not a drill, there's definitely a leak after a major fire and
explosion.

Again, that's not say that the system won't use this event to their own
ends.

[Dig]

Communication from Husband:

Another source?  No, not oil of this type and in this area.

This was a exploratory well in an area that has no other wells around it.

And no, it's not a drill, there's definitely a leak after a major fire and
explosion.

Again, that's not say that the system won't use this event to their own
ends.

any idea if he thinks the aerial photos are a good representation of the damage?

BTW - the reason SWAT may have been called in might be similar to why Tarpley thinks that Bush went to the nuke bases initially right after 9/11 attacks. he was afraid that nuke codes could be given without physical confirmations. tarpley talks extensively about it ( http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread221694/pg1 ). so could their be an automated communication system that might have been compromised or suspected to be compromised for which only a physical presence could stop?

Offshore Drilling Rigs Vulnerable To Hackers
Posted by Soulskill on Wed Aug 26, 2009 09:08 AM
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/08/26/1214206
Hugh Pickens writes

"Foreign Policy magazine reports that a research team from the SINTEF Group, an independent Norwegian think tank, has warned oil companies worldwide that offshore oil rigs are highly vulnerable to hacking as they shift to unmanned robot platforms where vital operations — everything from data transmission to drilling to sophisticated navigation systems that maintain the platform's position over the wellhead — are controlled via wireless links to onshore facilities. 'The worst-case scenario, of course, is that a hacker will break in and take over control of the whole platform,' says Martin Gilje Jaatun, adding that it hasn't happened yet, but computer viruses have caused personnel injuries and production losses on North Sea platforms. The list of potential cyberattackers includes ecowarriors aiming to jack up an oil firms' production costs, extortionists drawn to oil firms' deep pockets, and foreign governments engaging in a strategic contest for ever-more-scarce global oil reserves, says Jeff Vail, a former counterterrorism and intelligence analyst with the US Interior Department. 'It's underappreciated how vulnerable some of these systems are,' says Vail. 'It is possible, if you really understood them, to cause catastrophic damage by causing safety systems to fail.'"

This could be a way that a PTECH type system could control much of the activities as PTECH did on 9/11 (exposed by Indira Singh: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=129799.0)

The  movie Hackers exposes this as the New World Order agenda (they actually put it in the movie)...

written 1988 released 1995...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/quotes
You wanted to know who I am, Zero Cool? Well, let me explain the New World Order. Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are Samurai... the Keyboard Cowboys... and all those other people who have no idea what's going on are the cattle... Moooo.
http://www.videomeli.com/video/E1WGFjhCktc/hackers-new-world-order-message.html


of course, they fail to mention that these keyboard cowboy sadists are controlled by banksters and royals

[usefulidiot,uselesseater]

Maybe it’s just me, but I find the devastating explosion of a BP oil rig, and resulting oil spill, in the Gulf of Mexico at this particular time somewhat suspicious. These kinds of explosions are extremely rare. In fact, there have been only two similar incidents in recorded history as far as I can determine.

On July 6, 1988, Occidental Petroleum’s Piper Alpha platform suffered a catastrophic explosion and fire, which killed 167 workers and destroyed the rig. The cause of this disaster was human error when workers shut down a pipeline to remove a defective pump, then went off duty before finishing the job.

They had placed a cap on the pipe when the pump was removed, but the workers failed to tighten the bolts - thinking that the pipe would remain out of service until the new pump was installed. Somehow, the paperwork never reached the controller who came on duty with the new shift. He pressurized the pipeline not knowing about the temporary cap and pump replacement work in progress, which resulted in a major gas leak and resulting explosion - destroying the platform.

The other incident was the Petrobras 36 Oil Platform (P-36) off the coast of Argentina, which was the largest floating production platform in the world prior to its sinking March 20, 2001. In the early hours of March 15, 2001, there were two unexplained explosions in the aft starboard column. The cause of the explosions was never determined.

At first, the explosion of the BP Deepwater Horizon drilling platform seemed suspicious with Cap & Trade about to be pushed through the Senate. Cap & Trade is supposedly all about saving the Earth from global warming - caused in part by the burning of fossil fuels, including oil. Of course we know this is a hoax and Cap & Trade is nothing but a huge scam for money and power by the Progressive left. 

Read the whole story here:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22727

[Dig]

Read the whole story here:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22727

Owners of Occidental...

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=468
http://roach1958.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/maurice-strong-and-the-collapse-of-industrialized-civilizations-thanks-tpgow/
http://owensoundfreepress.com/?p=570

Maurice Strong, Evelyn Rothschild, Al Gore

[Dig]

This is definitely the type of plan that Maurice Strong is known for, he tried to create a dustbowl in the US until George Hunt exposed that psychopath.

Would like to know George Hunt and Webster Tarlpey's take on this

VIDEO: George Hunt UN UNCED Earth Summit 1992 (Population reduction, Bank Scams etc..)



The dark side of the sustainable development movement
George Hunt, a business consultant, was present at the earlier mentioned 1987 Fourth World Wilderness Congress as a member of the staff

 

George Hunt initially wanted to buy a ticket but this proved to be much too expensive ($650). At the conference he noticed it had very little to do with the conventional environment movement and was surprised to see people like Maurice Strong, Edmund de Rothschild (Pilgrims Society), David Rockefeller (Pilgrims Society), and James A. Baker (Pilgrims Society; Cap & Gown; trustee American Institute for Contemporary German Studies; Atlantic Council of the United States; National Security Planning Group; Bohemian Grove; CFR; Carlyle; advisor George W. Bush in his 2000 election). In his two videos, produced in 1989 and 1992, he plays audio recordings of several of the 1987 speakers, including Maurice Strong and Edmund de Rothschild (71). There's not really a reason to label these recordings a hoax (to use UFO community language) and subsequently denounce George Hunt as a fraud. In fact, Hunt could hardly have done a better job at presenting his evidence. However, some of the evidence this person has uncovered is so amazing, that most people will remain skeptical (like me), no matter how much evidence is presented. If what Hunt is claiming is true, then it confirms the overall picture that has been sketched in this article. First take a look at the following Fourth World Wilderness Conference (1987) statement from David Lang (spelling unknown; a Montreal banker, according to Hunt):

"I suggest therefore that this be sold not through a democratic process - that would take too long and devour far too much of the funds - to educate the cannon fodder, unfortunately, that populates the earth. We have to take almost an elitist program, [so] that we can see beyond our swollen bellies, and look to the future in timeframes and in results which are not easily understood, or which can be, with intellectual honesty, be reduced down to some kind of simplistic definition."

[larsonstdoc]

Here is the latest communication from my husband:

There are five deep sea construction vessels and two drilling rigs flying
ROVs around the well site, clearing debris and still trying to close the BOP
on the off chance it will work.

One of the vessels is being supported by us, and that is the one that is
injecting the dispersant through a 2 inch tube directly into the leak stream. The
difficult part of my job is to maneuver my vessel close enough to that
vessel, in bad weather, to be able to transfer fresh tanks of dispersant
fluid. Thankfully, the weather is laying down a bit.

I heard this morning that one of the vessels is lowering a "cap" that, if
placed successfully, should slow or stop the flow.

We are, literally, right over the top of the well, and yes, there's a sheen,
and the distinct smell of crude, but, there isn't a foot of black crude on
the water. Just the slightest move or wheel wash breaks the sheen.

I discount the terrorism (either real or staged) angle myself. The exact
same thing happened off Brazil back in 2005 IIRC. Sometimes shit happens,
frankly. IMO the culprit here is a bad cement job by Halliburton followed by
a failure of the BOP when the well started kicking.

As to the SWAT comments, I'm still not sure what that dope smoking fool
meant by that comment, but here's the thing, there isn't a government vessel
within 20 miles of this place. No navy, no SWAT, no Coast Guard. It's just
us, trying to "put the fire out" so to speak. (no, there is NO FIRE, it's
just a turn of phrase)

And frankly, that's as it should be. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are
MMS people around somewhere watching all this go down, but it's not 10,000
cops in uniforms hut hutting around.

Tell your husband thank you.  It's not often we get an eyewitness report.  With the MSM we  have to decode it--trying to decipher what is true.  I hope they are successful capping the pipe.

[donnay]

Tell your husband thank you.  It's not often we get an eyewitness report.  With the MSM we  have to decode it--trying to decipher what is true.  I hope they are successful capping the pipe.

Just sent him what you wrote.  I, too, appreciate when there is boots on the ground who knows the score and will give us the true story.  We want to truth out and we know MSM isn't giving it to the people.

I will continue to relate information here that he sends me.  Stay tuned...

[donnay]

any idea if he thinks the aerial photos are a good representation of the damage?

BTW - the reason SWAT may have been called in might be similar to why Tarpley thinks that Bush went to the nuke bases initially right after 9/11 attacks. he was afraid that nuke codes could be given without physical confirmations. tarpley talks extensively about it ( http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread221694/pg1 ). so could their be an automated communication system that might have been compromised or suspected to be compromised for which only a physical presence could stop?

This could be a way that a PTECH type system could control much of the activities as PTECH did on 9/11 (exposed by Indira Singh: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=129799.0)

The  movie Hackers exposes this as the New World Order agenda (they actually put it in the movie)...

written 1988 released 1995...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113243/quotes
You wanted to know who I am, Zero Cool? Well, let me explain the New World Order. Governments and corporations need people like you and me. We are Samurai... the Keyboard Cowboys... and all those other people who have no idea what's going on are the cattle... Moooo.
http://www.videomeli.com/video/E1WGFjhCktc/hackers-new-world-order-message.html


of course, they fail to mention that these keyboard cowboy sadists are controlled by banksters and royals

Here is a communication from Husband:

The Deepwater Horizon was in no way automated to that level of
sophistication.

The types of remote operation the author of that article is referring to are
usually used on fixed platforms, close to shore and in shallow water that
are producing.

The Deepwater Horizon was, for all intents and purposes, a fully manned ship
with a full marine crew as well as drilling crew and support.

[Dig]

Here is a communication from Husband:

The Deepwater Horizon was in no way automated to that level of
sophistication.

The types of remote operation the author of that article is referring to are
usually used on fixed platforms, close to shore and in shallow water that
are producing.

The Deepwater Horizon was, for all intents and purposes, a fully manned ship
with a full marine crew as well as drilling crew and support.

cool, thanks, amazing feedback this is better info than if we were at a Napolitano news conference.

any word on Halliburton or the Ocidental "accident"

[Optimus]

Just sent him what you wrote.  I, too, appreciate when there is boots on the ground who knows the score and will give us the true story.  We want to truth out and we know MSM isn't giving it to the people.

I will continue to relate information here that he sends me.  Stay tuned...

Tell him thank you for me as well donnay! It's not often we get first hand, eyewitness accounts of what's really going on.

[Guns Equal Freedom]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article7114015.ece

THE Gulf of Mexico oil spill may be growing five times faster than previously estimated and is in danger of accelerating out of control, it was claimed yesterday.

Experts said satellite data indicated the oil was gushing from BP’s sunken Deepwater Horizon rig at 25,000 barrels a day. Previous estimates had put the leak at 5,000 barrels a day.

Professor Ian MacDonald, an ocean specialist at Florida State University, said the new estimate suggested the leak had already spread 9m gallons of heavy crude oil across the Gulf. This compares with 11m that leaked from the Exxon Valdez tanker when it hit a reef off Alaska in 1989.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said deteriorating conditions on the sea bed may result in an even greater flow of 50,000 barrels a day, sufficient to produce one of America’s worst ecological disasters.
Related Links


Experts and officials said their greatest fear was that a disintegration of pipes close to the rig could produce an “unchecked gusher” that would ravage America’s southern coastline.

As the slick slowly drifted towards fragile shorelines from Louisiana to Florida, there was intensified criticism of BP for apparently underestimating the potential scale of the disaster.

The British oil giant faces questions over how much it knew about previous problems with “blowout preventers”, the giant underwater valves designed to shut down oil flow in the event of accidents.

The valves on the rig failed to work after it exploded on April 20. BP technicians have been unable to activate them even though they appear to be undamaged by the blast.

BP has calculated that it might take up to three months to sink a new well that could cut off the flow of the Deepwater Horizon’s oil.

The worst oil spill affecting US waters was caused by a 1979 blowout aboard the Ixtoc, a Mexican rig that discharged at least 130m gallons, 600 miles south of the Texas coast. It took nine months to plug the leak.

There is no way people will be able to clean up 25,000 barrels of oil that is leaking into the ocean a day.

The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill still affects The Alaskan Coast still Today.

If they can't cap the oil rig in time.

The leaking oil will circulate into every ocean around the world.

Every ocean is connected with top water currents and under water currents.

I can't imagine what the smell must be like in the Gulf Coast Areas.

A strong breeze must carry the smell of oil for thousands of miles.

[donnay]

There is no way people will be able to clean up 25,000 barrels of oil that is leaking into the ocean a day.

The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill still affects The Alaskan Coast still Today.

If they can't cap the oil rig in time.

The leaking oil will circulate into every ocean around the world.

Every ocean is connected with top water currents and under water currents.

I can't imagine what the smell must be like in the Gulf Coast Areas.

A strong breeze must carry the smell of oil for thousands of miles.

What happens when the ocean floor has earthquakes and crude spews out?

[ekimdrachir]

We were watching GI JANE last night.. and I had to pause and rewind because early on..

well they said (just randomly in a conversation) someone was caught rigging oil platforms to explode..

and its not in the script now that i checked.

not to mention comments about shaving off the constitution to take away the rights of the press.

[Dig]

We were watching GI JANE last night.. and I had to pause and rewind because early on..

well they said (just randomly in a conversation) someone was caught rigging oil platforms to explode..

and its not in the script now that i checked.

not to mention comments about shaving off the constitution to take away the rights of the press.

The setting of G.I. Jane is coronado naval base: www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message260816/pg1

Anyway, can anyone verify the clip?

[chris jones]

Not to nitpick but...

The largest drill bit I'm aware of is a 36", casing will be ran after the hole is drilled and will be smaller than the bit diameter to allow enough room for cement (26-30").  So the spewing pipe is not 5ft wide.  Also where the oil is gushing from (the reservoir) the hole diameter is much smaller than at the surface.  I'm not familiar with the particulars of this well plan but the bottom hole diameter is probably less than 8". This diameter is your flow constraint, not the surface casing.  What we don't know is how high the pressure is in the reservoir.

I just got an email from a co-worker that links to a story that the N. Koreans are responsible. Not sure if it is dis-info or a hoax but interesting none the less.

http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/us-orders-blackout-over-north-korean-torpedoing-of-gulf-of-mexico-oil-rig/

Hi Brady. I have a question for you. I'm not rig personell, my contact was supply, knew a lot of gents on the rigs. The supers i knew were all out safety conscious knowing the lives of their men were in their hands, &  too their careers. These guys were tuned into the safety  regs and laws. Its my understang a blow out preventor is the heart & the safety of the rig, any weld for an example is required to be inspected- x-rayed for accuracy, just being one of the many requirements.
Sound about right?
Taking into effect the neglegence involved we are hearing of, it appears the MSM has latched onto this as to the blame of this disaster. Whereas you are informed and know the procedures , do you beleive that this was the cause.
Please take into consideration the helideck photo, again I'm not rig, but this is one moduker of a blast and from the looks of it the explosion was in, not from below. I'm sure you can affirm the fact a helideck is steel plate and reinforced as per specs, one sturdy bugger  reinforced & laced with I beams, whats your take on this photo.

I was next to the transocean deepwater expedition when the P-36 went down, it was at night and we saw the first explosion. The thing is we all knew this rig was being pushed over production limit, petrobras would never admit that but when engineers refuse to return offshore in fear of their lives it gets kinda obvious. Good men went down with that rig. There is no getting around the fact this was criminal negligence on the part of the big dogs, base management..

I rant, sorry, trying to get the point is becoming difficult for me. Brady, we are chasing the truth not theorys, the reason I'm asking for your oppinions, Your a professional, most likely engineer or super ?, your take on this is important.
The military was prepared for this and is expaning their participation,, the pols had this on the table, the photo of the hellidek is one baffling peice of work, Halliburtons rulers are blood sukers,and domestically the after shock and expense will be shouldered by the little people, the elites won't feel this.

We are all waiting for more news, ground zero, but how about giving us a heads up and hit on your oppinion proffessionaly. Thanks.

[RabidSheep]

This was an accident of negligence. The hole in the deck is fire damage.

At the moment of the explosion, the rig had completed its drilling and the crew started decoupling the rig from the well. It would be replaced with a pumping and processing rig.

This explosion was caused by a huge gas bubble that caused a blowout of the riser pipe and allowed flammable liquids and gas to spill on the rig floor. It then found an ignition source, and the rig blew up. Then came secondary explosions from exiting gas.

Accusations against Halliburton are that they did all cementing operations of the well. The thought is that Halliburton did not pour the cement right. Making it easier for gas to travel up the rig.

This is an accident due to Bp and Haliburton's negligence. All of this is consistent and exactly why those safety features, not implemented, were designed for.

Keep coming up with theories, but at the end of the day it is all consistent with a rig explosion accident due to negligence. 

These things have happened before.

http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/

From:
http://www.oilrigdisasters.co.uk/
   Sedco 135F Triangular Semi-Sub Explosion

Reports then state that mud circulation was lost (mud is, in essence, a densely weighted drilling fluid used to lubricate the drill bit, clean the drilled rock from the hole and provide a column of hydrostatic pressure to prevent influxes) so the decision was made to pull the drill string and plug the well. Without the hydrostatic pressure of the mud column, oil and gas were able to flow unrestricted to the surface, which is what happened as the crew were working on the lower part of the drillstring. The BOP was closed on the pipe but could not cut the thicker drill collars, allowing oil and gas to flow to surface where it ignited and engulfed the Sedco 135F in flames. The rig collapsed and sank onto the wellhead area on the seabed, littering the seabed with large debris such as the rig's derrick and 3000m of pipe.

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The BP rig was a tragic accident resulting in the lost of 11 lives. The reason those 11 can not be found is because they were most likely burned in the explosion. My heart goes out to there families and friends.


The real thing we should be worried about...................

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.

Rahm Emanuel

 

[Dig]

 Rahm Emanuel

Do not forget Hillary...

http://in.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idINTRE5251VN20090306

[thadividedsky]

But what about the hole in the pipe at the bottom of the Gulf?  Did they close the hole that's spewing oil coming from 18,000 ft below the hole?

how about someone explain that gaping hole in the helipad. The fire wasn't that close to the helipad. I also can't imagine them designing the rig to have the drilling bore below the helipad. If the helipad were blown up, as it looks, then evac by helicopter would no longer be an option. Jumping from the rig is likely death and I don't think anyone would wanna float around in the ocean while the rig is burning and oil is leaking into the water you're floating in. This IMO is no longer an accident.

[chris jones]

The real thing we should be worried about...................


Quote
You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.
Rahm EmanuelDo not forget Hillary...
RabidSheep. Thanks for the reply, especialy so the remark about Rahm, and Sanes- of Hillary.

No offense but I will not let this go. The immediate and planned response by the military, the involvment of Halliburton and above all the future domestic strife is inevitable.
Either way,  this was  F.F. or criminal negligence, its another step into the abyss.
I don't trust them, haven't for most of my life, your reasoning is professional, so is theirs though with a  different slant. The preparation and reaction of the big dogs, the end result of this disaster domesticaly, either the elites had their *prayers* answered or they had their hands in it.

[RabidSheep]

Do not forget Hillary...

http://in.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idINTRE5251VN20090306

Agreed.

[Intruth]

  Oil Spill: Here’s the Inside Scoop

Washington’s Blog
May 3, 2010

The Gulf oil spill is much worse than originally believed.

As the Christian Science Monitor writes:

    It’s now likely that the actual amount of the oil spill dwarfs the Coast Guard’s figure of 5,000 barrels, or 210,000 gallons, a day.

    Independent scientists estimate that the renegade wellhead at the bottom of the Gulf could be spewing up to 25,000 barrels a day. If chokeholds on the riser pipe break down further, up to 50,000 barrels a day could be released, according to a National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration memo obtained by the Mobile, Ala., Press-Register.

CNN quotes the lead government official responding to the spill – the commandant of the Coast Guard, Admiral Thad Allen – as stating:

    If we lost a total well head, it could be 100,000 barrels or more a day.

Indeed, an environmental document filed by the company running the oil drilling rig – BP – estimates the maximum as 162,000 barrels a day:

    In an exploration plan and environmental impact analysis filed with the federal government in February 2009, BP said it had the capability to handle a “worst-case scenario” at the Deepwater Horizon site, which the document described as a leak of 162,000 barrels per day from an uncontrolled blowout — 6.8 million gallons each day.

Best-Case Scenario


BP is trying to perform a difficult task of capping the leak by using robotic submarines to trigger a “blowout preventer” 5,000 feet below the surface of the ocean. Here’s a photo of the robot trying to activate the switch on April 22nd:


If successful, the leak could be stopped any day. Everyone is rooting for the engineers, so that they may successfully cap the leak.

Already, however, the spill is worse than the Exxon Valdez, and will cause enormous and very costly destruction to the shrimping, fishing and tourism industries along the Gulf Coast of Louisiana and Florida. It will be years before good estimates on the number of dead fish, turtles, birds and other animals can be made.

The Backup Plan

If the blowout preventer can’t be triggered, the backup plan is to drill another well to relieve pressure from the leaking well.

Here’s a drawing prepared by BP showing the plan (the drilling rig on the left will take months to drill down and relieve pressure from the leaking rig):


Here’s a graphic from the Times-Picayune showing the same thing (and accurately showing that there are currently 3 leaking oil plumes):
BP will also attempt to drop concrete and metal “cages” over the leak sites, to try to buy time by collecting oil in the cages, and then draining oil away in a safer manner. In addition, BP is using chemical disperants to try to break up the oil plumes before they rise to the surface (the dispersants are highly toxic).

Worst-Case Scenario

As the Associated Press notes:

    Experts warned that an uncontrolled gusher could create a nightmare scenario if the Gulf Stream carries it toward the Atlantic.

This would, in fact, be very bad, as it would carry oil far up the Eastern seaboard.

Specifically, as the red arrows at the left of the following drawing show, the Gulf Stream runs from Florida up the Eastern Coast of the United States:



In a worst-case scenario – if the oil leak continued for a very long period of time – the oil could conceivably be carried from the Gulf Stream into world-wide ocean currents (see drawing above).

I do not believe this will happen. Even with the staggering quantity of oil being released, I don’t think it’s enough to make its way into other ocean currents. I think that either engineers will figure out how to cap the leak, or the oil deposits will simply run out.
Changing the Climate

There is an even more dramatic – but even less likely – scenario.

Specifically, global warming activists have warned for years that warming could cause the “great conveyor belt” of warm ocean water to shut down. They say that such a shut down could – in turn – cause the climate to abruptly change, and a new ice age to begin. (This essay neither tries to endorse or refute global warming or global cooling in general: I am focusing solely on the oil spill.)

The drawing above shows the worldwide “great conveyer belt” of ocean currents, which are largely driven by the interaction of normal ocean water with colder and saltier ocean currents.

Conceivably – if the oil spill continued for years – the greater thickness or “viscosity” of the oil in comparison to ocean water, or the different ability of oil and seawater to hold warmth (called “specific heat“), could interfere with the normal temperature and salinity processes which drive the ocean currents, and thus shut down the ocean currents and change the world’s climate.

However, while this is an interesting theory (and could make for a good novel or movie), it simply will not happen.

Why not?

Because there simply is not enough oil in the leaking oil pocket to interfere with global ocean currents. And even if this turns out to be a much bigger oil pocket than geologists predict, some smart engineer will figure out how to cap the leak well before any doomsday scenario could possibly happen.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/oil-spill-heres-the-inside-scoop.html

[larsonstdoc]

I talked to my friend that works for Royal Dutch Shell.  He just got back from working on a gas line in the Gulf.  He lives in Houston.

He said the break is at the ocean floor---5000 ft.

He also said that he thinks it could take weeks or months for this to be plugged.

He said this thing that they are going to try in a few days is a crap shoot.  It all has to be performed by remote controlled vehicles (robots).

He said that estimates of over 100,000 barrels a day are not a lie (being spilled into the Gulf).

He said that most of the drilling in the Gulf has been in the 700 to 1000 ft range.

He said that divers can safely work up to 2000-3000 ft below the surface.

After that it's remote control vehicles.

He's said oil is big money.  Shrimp is small money.  Of course he's an oil man.  He said if we don't look for oil it's $7 or $8 gasoline.

He also said that most of the shallow platforms have dried up.  That's why they are going down past 20,000 ft.

[donnay]

My Husband (HubCap for you, Route24) said they have capped one of the three leaks.  They had controlled fires to the south of ground zero today.  They are continuing with the dispersant, and are waiting for the containment domes to come so they can try and cap off the other two leaks.

[Intruth]

I talked to my friend that works for Royal Dutch Shell.  He just got back from working on a gas line in the Gulf.  He lives in Houston.

He said the break is at the ocean floor---5000 ft.

He also said that he thinks it could take weeks or months for this to be plugged.

He said this thing that they are going to try in a few days is a crap shoot.  It all has to be performed by remote controlled vehicles (robots).

He said that estimates of over 100,000 barrels a day are not a lie (being spilled into the Gulf).

He said that most of the drilling in the Gulf has been in the 700 to 1000 ft range.

He said that divers can safely work up to 2000-3000 ft below the surface.

After that it's remote control vehicles.

He's said oil is big money.  Shrimp is small money.  Of course he's an oil man.  He said if we don't look for oil it's $7 or $8 gasoline.

He also said that most of the shallow platforms have dried up.  That's why they are going down past 20,000 ft.

I heard that if the well head blew off they could get to the 100,000  barrel  a day level. Are you saying that your friend told you that it is already at that level??!!

[larsonstdoc]

That's what he said.  He works for Shell.  There were 3 leaks.  Now there are 2.  The minor one is closed off.  The other post says 60,000 by MISH on the main page.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/08/ice-crystals-cause-problems-inside-oil-box/

This oil box is not working, just as my friend thought?  How can ice crystals form?  I'm thinking some compound is forming with all the toxic chemicals down there.

Ice Crystals Cause Problems Inside Oil Box
Associated Press
A BP PLC official is saying icelike crystals formed inside of an oil containment box when it was placed over a massive oil leak and that crews have had to move the contraption away to study the problem.


ON THE GULF OF MEXICO -- A BP PLC official is saying icelike crystals formed inside of an oil containment box when it was placed over a massive oil leak and that crews have had to move the contraption away to study the problem.

Chief operating officer Doug Suttles said Saturday that he is not saying that the box has failed. But he did say what they tried Friday night did not work.

Suttles says the buildup on the specially constructed box made it too buoyant and clogged it up and they've set it to the side to study the problem.

Officials had cautioned that they would meet challenges during this unprecedented attempt to divert oil spewing into the waters.

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/08/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

BP: ATTEMPT TO COVER GUSHING OIL IN GULF, WELL DIDN'T WORK

Crews dealt setback in placing containment dome in Gulf oil spill
By the CNN Wire Staff
May 8, 2010 10:36 p.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
NEW: BP officials considering "junk shot" of trying to clog blowout container with material
Crystals accumulated inside containment dome, rendering it ineffective
Dome moved to side of wellhead while crews work to overcome the challenge, BP CEO says
Effort to place dome over well 5,000 feet underwater never been tried at such a depth
Biloxi, Mississippi (CNN) -- The effort to place a massive containment dome over a gushing underwater wellhead in the Gulf of Mexico was dealt a setback when a large volume of hydrates -- icelike crystals that form when gas combines with water -- accumulated inside the vessel, a BP official said Saturday.
The dome was moved off to the side of the wellhead and is resting on the seabed while crews work to overcome the challenge, a process expected to take at least two days, BP's chief operations officer Doug Suttles said.
Suttles declined to call it a failed operation but said "What we attempted to do last night didn't work."
Suttles said the gas hydrates are lighter than water and, as a result, made the dome buoyant. The crystals also blocked the top of the dome, which would prevent oil from being funneled up to a drill ship.
"We did anticipate hydrates being a problem, but not this significant [of one]," he said.
Also Saturday, response crews discovered tar balls on a beach on Dauphin Island, Alabama, and sent them to a lab to determine if they're from the Gulf Coast oil slick.
The analysis could take 48 hours to complete, the Deepwater Horizon Incident Joint Information Center said Saturday.
The tar balls, which a U.S. Coast Guard spokesman described as "pieces of emulsified oil" shaped like pancakes, ranged in size from dimes to golf balls. Tar balls can sometimes occur naturally, said the spokesman, Erik Swanson.

Cleanup crews have placed snare boom -- a pompom shaped material designed to collect tar balls -- around Dauphin Island.
Two options officials are looking at to resolve the problem are heating the dome or adding methanol to dissolve the hydrates, Suttles said, adding that they are continuing to assess other methods to capturing the oil.
The crude is leaking at a rate of 210,000 gallons (5,000 barrels) a day.
Suttles said that another possible solution would be to "take ground-up material of various types and try to inject it into the blowout preventer at the bottom of it and it will flow up and plug it up," an operation he compared to stopping up a toilet.
The maneuver is called a "junk shot," Suttles said.
The blowout preventer is a 48-foot-tall, 450-ton apparatus that sits atop the well 5,000 feet underwater. It would stop the leak, BP has said, but it has not been working properly since the Deepwater Horizon oil rig exploded in flames on April 20 and sank two days later, triggering an oil spill that President Obama has called a "potentially unprecedented environmental disaster."
Suttles cautioned that a junk shot is not without risk or challenge, which is why crews have not yet attempted the method.
Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of feet of boom and large volumes of dispersants continued to be deployed in an effort to capture or break up the spilled oil moving toward the Gulf coastline, and thousands of workers and volunteers diligently worked to skim the water's surface. Suttles said 17,500 barrels (735,000 gallons) of oil-water mix were collected Friday, and crews conducted five successful controlled burns.
Hopes were high for the success of the four-story containment dome, but officials had cautioned that the risky operation had never been tried at such a depth.
"It's a technology first," BP CEO Tony Hayward said Friday. He said the dome works in 300 to 400 feet of water, "but the pressures and temperatures are very different here. So we cannot be confident that it will work."
The arduous process takes time, Hayward said.
Casi Calloway, CEO of the environmental group Mobile Baykeeper, said Saturday she wasn't counting on the operation to be successful.
"I'm praying for them to come up with anything," she said. "In the meantime, though, we have to be realistic and we have to be planning, because it's still a minimum of 5,000 barrels [a day] pouring out into the Gulf of Mexico until that thing is stopped."
If the hydrate problem is resolved, BP, which owns the well, hopes to connect the dome to a drill ship over the weekend and to begin sucking oil from the containment dome up to the ship by the beginning of next week, Suttles said Friday.
The stakes are high for residents of coastal Louisiana who make their living from fishing in the Gulf. Oil washed ashore Thursday on Louisiana's barrier islands and drifted west past the mouth of the Mississippi River.
"It's killing everybody down here, everybody is more or less getting ulcers worrying about this, and it's something we experienced five years ago with [Hurricane] Katrina," charter boat owner Tom Becker told CNN Saturday. "But we knew it was coming faster than this thing is and we don't know what the long-term effect of what's going to happen with this if it [the oil] does get up here."
On Friday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said it has expanded the area closed to fishing to better reflect the spill's location. The restriction, announced Sunday, is being extended until May 17, the agency said.

[46andtwo]

We were watching GI JANE last night.. and I had to pause and rewind because early on..

well they said (just randomly in a conversation) someone was caught rigging oil platforms to explode..

and its not in the script now that i checked.

not to mention comments about shaving off the constitution to take away the rights of the press.

In the movie 'Hackers' (1995) I believe something like this was intended to be staged as well.

[America2]

FYI - the recent "oil spill" was apparently part of the INWO plan for quite some time now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJWjYRNBZmo&feature=player_embedded

[papiowhisperer]

This Is an unstoppable gusher that may destroy America as we know it. Im surprised this forum is not talking about it. This is like watching the twin towers burn and know they are fixing to fall only thousands of times worse and no one sees it.

Yep. SHTF.

[Dig]

  Oil Spill: Here’s the Inside Scoop

Washington’s Blog
May 3, 2010

The Gulf oil spill is much worse than originally believed.

if this is true than why are 50 agencies including coast guard busy running some obvious FF cover drill hundreds of miles away?

Logan commotion is just a drill

By Michael Corcoran, Globe Correspondent
May 8, 2010 10:56 AM

With all the commotion, it may seem like a jet has crashed into Boston Harbor near Logan International Airport this morning. But have no fear, it is only a drill.

"More than 600 people from 50 state, federal and local agencies will participate today in a water drill exercise that will simulate a jumbo jet crashing into the harbor. About 30 to 40 boats, including some from the Coast Guard, will be a part of the search and rescue portion of the drill, said Phil Orlandella, an airport spokesman."

The simulation will star Nagol (that's 'Logan' spelled backwards) Flight 123. Pilots will report smoke in the cockpit of the 747, causing Massport Fire Rescue to declare an "Alert 2." Soon thereafter, the 747 will simulate a crash into the harbor, leading to “Alert 3,” which will prompt a full emergency response.

The drill will involve Massport Fire Rescue, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Coast Guard, the Boston Fire Department, the Boston Police, and the Massachusetts State Police, among others.

Residents are advised that this is only a drill and not to be alarmed by any of the simulated activity.

[ConcordeWarrior]

My thanks to Donnay and all who are contributing to this most interesting thread.

This is my find of late, I am not sure if this is trafficked by MSNBC/NY Times or not or if it can be trusted, anyway here we go.
I am only posting the first pages as the story is 6 pages long.

Workers tell of night their oil rig exploded
The New York Times
3:36 PM EST May 8, 2010

Nearly 50 miles offshore at the big oil rig floating on a glassy-calm sea, a helicopter landed early on the morning of April 20, carrying four executives from BP, the oil company. The men were visiting the Deepwater Horizon to help honor the crew for its standout safety record.

The rig workers were buzzing for another reason. They were nearly done with the latest job. It had been a little tricky, but it was nothing they could not handle.

As night fell, Micah Joseph Sandell, 40, was in the small cab of his crane, three stories above the bustling deck.

Two floors down from the helipad, men in red coveralls waited for dinner in a hall lined with gold safety plaques. Eugene Dewayne Moss, a 37-year-old crane operator, realized he needed to tear himself away from a movie to get ready for his overnight shift.

"I thought, Oh man, I've got to go," Mr. Moss recalled. "I got up, turned my TV off."

Seconds later, a thundering explosion rocked the rig, the beginning of a terrifying night for the men who would survive one of the most harrowing disasters in the history of the oil business.

All over the ship, men snapped into action. Sleeping workers leapt from their beds. Then came a second explosion, even louder than the first.

They later struggled to describe it - a tornado of fire, a nuclear bomb, a jet engine exploding. But a half-dozen rig workers interviewed this week all agreed on one thing, recalling that moment: "We all were sure we were going to die," said Dennis Dewayne Martinez, 30, a supervisor on the rig.

The Deepwater Horizon was one of the most sophisticated drilling rigs on the planet.

---> read the whole story here (6 pages)

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=37033430

[larsonstdoc]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/09/national/main6470052.shtml?tag=topnews

What Thad Allen said (in red below) really seems hopeless--like putting a cork on a champagne bottle that you just shook up.  The pressures are incredible down there.
 

Tar Blobs Hit Ala. as 1st Oil Diversion Aborted
Containment Dome Put Over Leak Site Doesn't Work; May Take a Day Before BP Can Try Something

(CBS/AP)  It could be at least a day before BP can make another attempt at putting a lid on a well spewing thousands of gallons of crude into the Gulf of Mexico, as a big box meant to siphon away the oil sat idle and encased in ice crystals.

The company's first attempt to divert the oil was foiled, its mission now in serious doubt. Meanwhile, thick blobs of tar washed up on Alabama's white sand beaches, yet another sign the spill was spreading.

"The containment dome that was put over the leak site developed ice crystals," Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen told "Face the Nation" anchor Bob Schiffer. "The next tactic with be a junk shot. They'll take a bunch of debris, shredded up tires, golf balls and things like that and under very high pressure shoot it into the preventer itself and see if they can clog it up and stop the leak."

Complete Coverage: Disaster in the Gulf

It had taken about two weeks to build the box and three days to cart the containment box 50 miles out and slowly lower it to the well a mile below the surface, but the frozen depths were just too much. BP officials were not giving up hopes that a containment box - either the one brought there or another one being built - could cover the well. But they said it could be Monday or later before they decide whether to make another attempt to capture the oil and funnel it to a tanker at the surface.

The box was moved hundreds of feet away while officials tried to figure out their next move.

"I wouldn't say it's failed yet," BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said of the containment box. "What I would say is what we attempted to do ... didn't work."

Schieffer asked Allen if the estimate of 5,000 barrels of oil leaking into the Gulf could get worse. Allen said that if the well head holds, the estimate will probably hold. If the well head breaks, the amount of oil entering the Gulf could increase dramatically.

"They're saying it could go to 40,000 barrels," said Schiffer.

"If it's contained, the same leakage it has right now it will stay there," said Allen. "That's the reason it's so important to stop the leaks right now but drill the relief well."

Early Sunday, there was little visible new activity at the site of the oil spill. The skies were clear, but the waves on the sea were kicking up and the wind was more breezy than in previous days.

There was a renewed sense of urgency as dime- to golfball-sized balls of tar washed up Saturday on Dauphin Island, three miles off the Alabama mainland at the mouth of Mobile Bay and much farther east than the thin, rainbow sheens that have arrived sporadically in the Louisiana marshes.

"The wind has shifted around," said Allen. "It's kind of kept [the oil slick] in the area to the southeast of the Mississippi river mouth off Louisiana. The latest winds are out of the east right now. It's slowly drifting a little west across the mouth of the Mississippi river. Depending on which way the wind blows it could threaten Mississippi, Alabama and Florida as well."

Allen said fears that the oil would get caught in the loop current that follows Louisiana to Florida was not very probable.

"It doesn't appear to be a threat right now," he said.

"It almost looks like bark, but when you pick it up it definitely has a liquid consistency and it's definitely oil," said Kimberly Creel, 41, who was hanging out and swimming with hundreds of other beachgoers. "... I can only imagine what might be coming this way that might be larger."

About a half dozen tar balls had been collected by Saturday afternoon at Dauphin Island, Coast Guard chief warrant officer Adam Wine said in Mobile, and crews in protective clothing patrolled the beach for debris. Authorities planned to test the substance but strongly suspected it came from the oil spill.

In the nearly three weeks since the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded April 20, killing 11 workers, about 210,000 gallons of crude a day has been flowing into the Gulf. As of Sunday, some 3.5 million gallons had poured into the sea, or about a third of the 11 million gallons spilled in the Exxon Valdez disaster.

Until Saturday none of the thick sludge - those indelible images from the Valdez and other spills - had reached shore.

It had taken more than 12 hours to slowly lower to the seafloor the peaked box the size of a four-story house, a task that required painstaking precision to accurately position it over the well for fear of damaging the leaking pipe and making the problem worse. Nothing like it had been attempted at such depths, where water pressure can crush a submarine.

Company and Coast Guard officials had cautioned that icelike hydrates, a slushy mixture of gas and water, would be one of the biggest challenges to the containment box plan, and their warnings proved accurate. The crystals clogged the opening in the top of the peaked box, BP's Suttles said, like sand in a funnel, only upside-down.

Options under consideration included raising the box high enough that warmer water would prevent the slush from forming, or using heated water or methanol. Even as officials pondered their next move, Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry said she must continue to manage expectations of what the containment box can do.

"This dome is no silver bullet to stop the leak," she said.

The captain of the supply boat that carried the hulking, concrete-and-steel vault for 11 hours from the Louisiana coast last week wasn't giving up hope.

"Everybody knew this was a possibility well before we brought the dome out," Capt. Demi Shaffer, of Seward, Alaska, told an Associated Press reporter stationed with the 12-man crew of the Joe Griffin in the heart of the containment zone. "It's an everyday occurrence when you're drilling, with the pipeline trying to freeze up."

The spot where the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded and sank now teems with vessels working on containing the rogue well. There are 15 boats and large ships at or near the site - some being used in an ongoing effort to drill a relief well, considered a permanent if weeks-away fix.

Settling in to a wait-and-see mode, the vessels were making sure they were ready for the long haul. Late Saturday night, the Joe Griffin pumped roughly 84,000 gallons of fresh water into the tanks of the Ocean Intervention III, one of the vessels with the undersea robots helping in the containment effort.

News that the containment box plan, designed to siphon up to 85 percent of the leaking oil, had faltered dampened spirits in Louisiana's coastal communities.

"Everyone was hoping that that would slow it down a bit if not stop it," said Shane Robichaux, of Chauvin, a 39-year-old registered nurse relaxing at his vacation camp in Cocodrie. "I'm sure they'll keep working on it till it gets fixed, one way or another. But we were hopeful that would shut it down."

The original blowout was triggered by a bubble of methane gas that escaped from the well and shot up the drill column, expanding quickly as it burst through several seals and barriers before exploding, according to interviews with rig workers conducted during BP PLC's internal investigation. Deep sea oil drillers often encounter pockets of methane crystals as they dig into the earth.

As the bubble rose, it intensified and grew, breaking through various safety barriers, said Robert Bea, a University of California Berkley engineering professor and oil pipeline expert who detailed the interviews exclusively to an Associated Press reporter.