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« on: April 29, 2010, 11:49:07 AM »

Why not the Tulip Mania solution?
29 April 2010
, by Youri Carma (FPP)
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=168816.0

One important solution I haven’t heard mentioning is the same that “saved” the American banking system namely zero interest rates and Printing Press. Why not give Greece the money to pay of their debts against zero interest rates? Why crucify yourself?

I am not saying it’s a good solution but the other solutions presented are much much worse. Why not fill the hole so you can ride smoothly and this goes for the other debt problems in Europe as well. The Americans are doing it so why sacrifice yourself when you know that within this system there are no real solutions.

My major solution, and I have been saying that from the beginning of this crises, is the Tulip Mania solution but that has to be done on a great platform in which all the problem dependent countries stick there heads together to stripe away the insane on and off balance sheets debts against each other which mainly were created by the “synthetic” derivative system created to serve the banksters not the real economy.

The banksters still are holding the World Economy hostage to their insane plans so they can keep up their arrogant life styles while the rest of us have to eat dirt.

If we go on on this path, which unfortunately will happen I think, the crises will develop into an everlasting one the same as we’ve been seeing in Japan. In fact we’ve gone the Japanese way already which outcome can be read in the history books.


Why not the Tulip Mania solution? by Youri Carma  29 April 2010 (FPP) http://tinyurl.com/3yb2c3x
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2010, 10:06:45 AM »

What I’ve been saying before certainly is going to happen, the EU is also gonna eat their own dog food by buying up there own bonds and Printing Press just like Bernankesan.

Bernanke Admits Printing $1.3 Trillion Out Of Thin Air
21 April 2010
, by Greg Hunter (USAWatchdog)
http://usawatchdog.com/bernanke-admits-printing-1-3-trillion-out-of-thin-air/

In the short run it will take some pressure of but in the long run it will prove to be unsustainable which only leaves one option: The Tulip Mania solution.


With $2 Trillion In 3 Year Funding Needs By the PIIGS, The IMF Is Helpless To Do Anything But Sit Back And Watch
30 April 2010
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/2-trillion-3-year-funding-needs-piigs-imf-helpless-do-anything-sit-back-and-watch

Roubini Says Rising Sovereign Debt Leads to Defaults (Update3)
29 April 2010
, by Vivien Lou Chen and Gabrielle Coppola (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601010&sid=a4tDF9vRZ_14

Michael Krieger - This Is The Last Dance
29 April 2010
, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge)
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/michael-krieger-last-dance

Confessions Of A Wall St. Nihilist: Forget About Goldman Sachs, Our Entire Economy Is Built On Fraud
28 April 2010
, by Mark Ames (ExiledOnline)
http://exiledonline.com/confessions-of-a-wall-st-nihilist-forget-about-goldman-sachs-our-entire-economy-is-built-on-fraud/
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2011, 06:25:29 PM »

Why not the Tulip Mania solution?

My major solution, and I have been saying that from the beginning of this crises, is the Tulip Mania solution but that has to be done on a great platform in which all the problem dependent countries stick there heads together to stripe away the insane on and off balance sheets debts against each other which mainly were created by the “synthetic” derivative system created to serve the banksters not the real economy.

The Tulip Mania finally ended http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania with individuals stuck with the bulbs they held at the end of the crash—no court would enforce payment of a contract, since judges regarded the debts as contracted through gambling, and thus not enforceable by law .


0 – FORCE MAJEURE!Call Void All Bankster Bogus Derivative Debts! Because paying off these trough fraud induced debts have become a technical and practical impossibility.

FROM: THE REAL PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS BY YOURI CARMA, 29 December 2008 http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=216627.0

June 2, 2011 Youri Carma wrote:

Best would be if Greece, Portugal Ireland with the support of some other sane EU countries (which I can’t think of at the moment) would say enough is enough and decide to wipe out the bogus derivative deads and let the banksters eat cake for a change.

Webster Tarpley on his World Crises Radio June 4, 2011:

Why don’t you create a debtors club since they call it ‘Club Med’. Allright fine the Europe ‘Club Med’. Let’s have a debtors club. A club of the outsiders. The Greeks, the Portugues, the Spain, the Irish. Maybe the Italians can join? There maybe some Easterners? The Baltics might wonna join?

A Debtors Club because of couse the creditors are organized in the Club of London and the Club of Paris. You need a debtors club to say: “You’re organized, quess what? We’re organized too. You have a syndicate, we have a syndicate. You have a kartel, we have a kartel and our policy is: We can’t pay! So, cut those debts and whipe out all the derivatives.” That’s gotto be the key demand!


European Sovereign Debt – Can’t We All Just ‘Net’ Along?, 17 September 2011, by Tyler Durden (Zero Hedge) http://www.zerohedge.com/news/european-sovereign-debt-cant-we-all-just-net-along

Bill Black: What I’d Demand of the Fed – Vid, 25 October 2011, (The Real News) http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=7502
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2012, 03:09:03 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 02:29:56 PM »

Closing Wall Street’s casino
18 November 2012
, by David Cay Johnston (Reuters - Blogs)
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/11/18/closing-wall-streets-casino/11

A superb example of a sound rule in law and economics that needs reviving, because it can halt the rampant speculation in derivatives, is the ancient legal principle that gambling debts are not enforceable through court action.

Not so long ago — before casinos, currency and commodities speculation, and credit default swaps became big business — U.S. courts would not enforce gambling debts.

Restoring this principle offers a simple way to shrink the rampant speculation in derivatives that was central to the 2008 meltdown on Wall Street.

Professor Lynn Stout, a deeply principled Republican capitalist who teaches corporate law at the University of California, Los Angeles, raised this issue at a conference where we both spoke about the 2008 Wall Street meltdown.

“Derivatives are gambling,” she said, referring to credit default swaps, at the University of Missouri-Kansas City law school conference on the financial crisis. “They are a zero-sum game in which one side loses the bet and one side wins,” Stout said.

Actually they are worse than that, since the hefty fees Wall Street pockets for arranging the bets result in a less-than-zero-sum game.

As Wall Street fights meaningful financial regulations, and draft regulations remind us how complex and unfathomable regulations can be, this is a good time to remember the basic principles that served society so well until Chicago School theorists, and casino corporations, together with commodities and currency traders convinced us we were too modern to need them.

UNENFORCEABLE GAMBLING DEBTS

Stout recounted the history of unenforceable gambling debts back to the Romans. She cited an 1884 Supreme Court case on what were then called “difference contracts” to show that derivatives have a long history of being treated by the law as unproductive at best and often damaging to society, just as we saw in 2008.

“I have not found a successful economy that did not have legal restrictions on bets,” she said.

She said that in addition to being nonproductive, such bets add risk to the system, invite bad conduct because bets can be rigged and foster asset bubbles, which are inevitably followed by crashes like the one from which we still have yet to recover.

As the author of a book on the gambling industry’s rise, “Temples of Chance,” and as a lecturer at Syracuse University on the regulatory law of the ancient world, I recognized Stout’s points were spot on. But her warnings are being drowned out by radical anti-regulatory rhetoric, the army of Capitol Hill lobbyists working for derivatives sellers and the politicians to whom they donate.

Stout noted that speculators these days like to call themselves by other names — for instance, hedge fund managers. But hedging suggests engagement in a business such as oil or grain and buying or selling contracts backed by assets you have or will use.

PURE SPECULATION

Most of the bets on Wall Street were pure speculation. Against $15 trillion of mortgage bonds, Stout said, Wall Street marketed credit default swaps in 2008 with a notional value of $67 trillion. Worldwide, traded swaps at their peak equaled $670 trillion or $100,000 for each person on the planet, vastly more than all the wealth in the world. Those numbers make it a mathematical certainty that the swaps were mostly speculation, not hedging.

Stout likened some derivatives to a market in fire insurance in which you buy coverage not for your own home, but for those of strangers. Such insurance would create an incentive to commit arson for profit. Yet we allow speculative derivatives that melted the housing market.

Stout’s approach would not stop derivatives that are backed by hard assets, such as a mortgage whose interest rate is derived from an index like the London Interbank Offered Rate or Libor and thus varies over time.

But credit default swaps that are just bets on which one party wins and which one loses would vanish if we restored the ancient, time-tested and therefore profoundly conservative rule that government will not enforce the collection of gambling debts.

Making gambling debts unenforceable produced its own problems. For one, it created work for people like the late Harry Coloduros, who sat in my kitchen 25 years ago, bouncing my little Molly on his knee as I made coffee, and told me about gamblers he beat up to make them pay up.

I cannot imagine Goldman Sachs hiring the likes of Harry to collect on bets when the losing party fails to pay up. So, unless taxpayers cover the bets, as they were forced to at 100 cents on the dollar in the AIG wagers, Goldman would likely get out of speculative bets and stick to actual hedging.

And that shows the immense value of restoring the sound policy of making losing bettors suffer their losses without any help from government.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2012, 10:07:26 AM »

IMF's epic plan to conjure away debt and dethrone bankers
21 October 2012
, by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard (The Telegraph)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/9623863/IMFs-epic-plan-to-conjure-away-debt-and-dethrone-bankers.html

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So there is a magic wand after all. A revolutionary paper by the International Monetary Fund claims that one could eliminate the net public debt of the US at a stroke, and by implication do the same for Britain, Germany, Italy, or Japan.

One could slash private debt by 100% of GDP, boost growth, stabilize prices, and dethrone bankers all at the same time.

It could be done cleanly and painlessly, by legislative command, far more quickly than anybody imagined.

The conjuring trick is to replace our system of private bank-created money -- roughly 97% of the money supply -- with state-created money.

We return to the historical norm, before Charles II placed control of the money supply in private hands with the English Free Coinage Act of 1666.

Specifically, it means an assault on "fractional reserve banking".

If lenders are forced to put up 100% reserve backing for deposits, they lose the exorbitant privilege of creating money out of thin air.

The nation regains sovereign control over the money supply. There are no more banks runs, and fewer boom-bust credit cycles.

Accounting legerdemain will do the rest. That at least is the argument.

Some readers may already have seen the IMF study, by Jaromir Benes and Michael Kumhof, which came out in August and has begun to acquire a cult following around the world.

Entitled "The Chicago Plan Revisited" http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12202.pdf , it revives the scheme first put forward by professors Henry Simons and Irving Fisher in 1936 during the ferment of creative thinking in the late Depression.

Irving Fisher thought credit cycles led to an unhealthy concentration of wealth.

He saw it with his own eyes in the early 1930s as creditors foreclosed on destitute farmers, seizing their land or buying it for a pittance at the bottom of the cycle.

The farmers found a way of defending themselves in the end.

They muscled together at "one dollar auctions", buying each other's property back for almost nothing. Any carpet-bagger who tried to bid higher was beaten to a pulp.

Benes and Kumhof argue that credit-cycle trauma - caused by private money creation - dates deep into history and lies at the root of debt jubilees in the ancient religions of Mesopotian and the Middle East.

Harvest cycles led to systemic defaults thousands of years ago, with forfeiture of collateral, and concentration of wealth in the hands of lenders.

These episodes were not just caused by weather, as long thought. They were amplified by the effects of credit.

The Athenian leader Solon implemented the first known Chicago Plan/New Deal in 599 BC to relieve farmers in hock to oligarchs enjoying private coinage.

He cancelled debts, restituted lands seized by creditors, set floor-prices for commodities (much like Franklin Roosevelt), and consciously flooded the money supply with state-issued "debt-free" coinage.

The Romans sent a delegation to study Solon's reforms 150 years later and copied the ideas, setting up their own fiat money system under Lex Aternia in 454 BC.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2012, 10:22:32 AM »

While that paper seems like a great plan it is not the IMFs official policy. That paper was written by a couple of guys and is being hosted at imf.org. It is not an imf policy paper.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2012/wp12202.pdf

This Working Paper should not be reported as representing the views of the IMF.
The views expressed in this Working Paper are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily represent
those of the IMF or IMF policy. Working Papers describe research in progress by the author(s) and are
published to elicit comments and to further debate.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2012, 12:02:36 PM »



In Iceland, the people has made the government resign, the primary banks have been nationalized, it was decided to not pay the IMF, World Bank, debt that these created with Great Britain and Holland due to their leaders bad financial politics and a public assembly has been created to rewrite the constitution.

And all of this in a peaceful way. A whole revolution against the powers that have created the current global crisis. This is why there hasn’t been any publicity during the last two years:

What would happen if the rest of the EU citizens took this as an example?

What would happen if the US citizens took this as an example???

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=257353
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2012, 02:16:47 PM »

I'm baffled by the math in that IMF paper.  But I can the 2+2 = 4 .  The IMF convinces the Nations of the world to put their  gold into Federal Reserve vaults and issues Gold backed currencies loaned at interest.
25 years go by and the gold backing idea is discarded with the currencies being backed by other assets and taxes. Countries are encouraged to borrow more in order to compete in the global economy.
Another thirty years go by and every country owes astronomical amounts to the IMF (worlds central bankers) Politicos start enforcing austerity measures on their minions. People are rioting and spending their meager incomes on arms and preparing to over throw the status quo . IMF ramps up enforcement measures , but , people fight back and police forces (some) actually join the ranks of Citizens.
The IMF reads the writing on the wall and some insiders float the idea that the paper debt is not so important after all.  So, who has the gold? And who is going to jail?  I guess we will never know.

Germany’s court of Audit gets suspicious as Germans not getting access to check gold reserves abroad.

The Bundesbank has the second largest gold reserves in the world. End of 2011 there were 3396 tons - with a fabulous value of 133 billion euros. After the soaring price of gold it is currently likely to reach about 142 billion euros. The sticking point: these reserves are largely not stored in Germany. 66 percent of the inventory is stored in an underground depot of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, 21 percent stored at Bank of England in London and eight percent at the Banque de France in Paris. Only five percent are located in Germany.

Reason enough to take the CDU deputies Philipp Missfelder and Marco Wanderwitz, to check the German gold reserves abroad. In February Mißfelder had visited the Federal Reserve Bank, now he wanted to arrange a meeting with his colleagues in Paris and London - and failed in all 3 attempts.

As the german "Bild" newspaper reported on Monday, Bundesbank (Germany’s central bank) board member Carl-Ludwig Thiele had addressed a letter to Mißfelder and Wanderwitz. In the letter, the German banker writes, that the central banks in Paris and London do not possess offices that allow for visits.

Court of Audit auditors now criticize that the gold stored abroad "was never recorded by the Bundesbank itself physically or by other independent auditors and checked for authenticity and weight." The Bundesbank relied solely on written confirmations of the depositary.

The federal auditors strongly recommend the Bundesbank, to negotiate with the three foreign central banks the right to physical verification of stocks. With the implementation of this recommendation, the Bundesbank allegedly started. They also decided to bring in the next three years 50 tons/year back from New York’s FED storing facility to undergo a thorough examination.

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/banken/absage-der-bundesbank-cdu-abgeordnete-duerfen-goldreserven-nicht-besichtigen_aid_843765.html
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2013, 10:34:29 AM »

This Time Is Different – With the Dutch Tulip Mania As Bubble Grande Example http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-27/time-different

Good piece but the most important factoit is missing here namely the very important lesson from the Dutch Tulp Mania which we should take to heart today as soon as possible:

The Tulip Mania finally ended with individuals stuck with the bulbs they held at the end of the crash—no court would enforce payment of a contract, since judges regarded the debts as contracted through gambling, and thus not enforceable by law.

0 – FORCE MAJEURE! – Call Void All Bankster Bogus Derivative Debts! Because paying off these trough fraud induced debts have become a technical and practical impossibility.

FROM: THE REAL PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS BY YOURI CARMA, 29 December 2008 http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=216627.0
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