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« on: April 29, 2010, 01:33:37 AM »

It would be "impossible" to reveal secret MI5 files about the 7/7 London terror attacks, a court has been told

The claim has been made at a hearing to decide the format of inquests into the deaths of those killed in 2005.

Lawyers for the families of those who died argue the hearing should also look at whether the intelligence services could have prevented the attacks.

Counsel for the home secretary and MI5 argued examining MI5's involvement was outside the scope of the inquests.

Four suicide bombers detonated their devices on three Tube trains and one bus killing 52 innocent people.

It emerged after the attacks that security agencies came across two of the bombers in 2004 while investigating other terrorist plots.

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But they were not considered to be of sufficient interest to be put under surveillance.

The hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice heard there would be no problem with providing highly sensitive intelligence material to the coroner and counsel to the inquests.

But any jurors could only see the material if they all underwent intrusive "developed vetting" and neither the bereaved families nor their lawyers would be allowed to see it.

Neil Garnham QC, counsel for the home secretary and MI5, said the two official reports about the attacks by the Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) - made up of security-cleared MPs - had adequately investigated MI5's involvement.

“ The families want to know why the decisions were taken in the way they were, and to put questions ”
The coroner, Lady Justice Hallett

He added there was "overwhelming" public interest in not having top secret MI5 documents revealed in the hearings.

The coroner, Lady Justice Hallett, asked whether it would be possible to restrict the intelligence material discussed in the inquests to that related to the 7 July attacks.

She said: "The families want to know why the decisions were taken in the way they were, and to put questions."

But Mr Garnham suggested a problem would arise because it was necessary to put the decision not to place the 7 July bombers under surveillance in context of all the other investigations MI5 was carrying out at the time.

He said: "It is difficult to see how that can be done without, metaphorically speaking, handing over the keys to Thames House."

The coroner also revealed she went on the internet to read conspiracy theories about the attacks.

The hearing continues.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8649577.stm
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 08:56:53 AM »

MI5 warning over probe into 7/7 ringleader
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23829858-mi5-warning-over-probe-into-77-ringleader.do

MI5  warned today that disclosing why it failed to investigate the ringleader of the July 7 attacks could give al Qaida plotters an "invaluable weapon".

Bereaved families want to use the forthcoming inquests into the deaths of those killed to ask security service officials why they did not follow up Mohammad Sidique Khan after he was witnessed meeting known terror suspects.

But MI5 told a hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice in London to decide the scope of the inquests that allowing this would aid those planning the next atrocity.

Neil Garnham QC, counsel for the Home Secretary and MI5, described the 2005 London bombings as "the deliberate action of evil and callous killers".

But he went on: "The appalling truth is, however, that there are people out there who applauded and celebrated this appalling act.

"And there are others who would like to repeat it, to emulate the action of these murderers and see to it that there are other innocent people bereaved like the families here.

"Not all such people are stupid. Some of them are both evil and intelligent."

Mr Garnham told the hearing that allowing the bereaved families' lawyers to question at the inquests why Khan was not fully investigated might provide al Qaida plotters with an "invaluable weapon".

"Can there be much doubt that potentially the security service's answer to that question would be of the greatest interest to an intelligent planner of the next terrorist outrage?" he said.

In early 2004 Khan was watched, photographed and followed by counter-terrorism officers during an inquiry into a group of extremists planning a fertiliser bomb attack.

But MI5 concluded that diverting resources to place him under detailed investigation or surveillance was not justified.

Khan, 30, and three other suicide bombers killed 52 innocent people when they detonated explosives on three Tube trains and a bus in central London on July 7 2005.

It was disclosed yesterday that West Yorkshire Police have only just discovered that they held Khan's fingerprints on file for 19 years before the attacks.

The coroner, Lady Justice Hallett, must decide what form the inquests - expected to start at the Royal Courts of Justice in October - should take.

Lawyers for many of the bereaved families say they should include a broad-ranging investigation of whether the authorities could have prevented the bombings.

But MI5 argues this is both unnecessary and impossible because doing so would require the disclosure of top secret intelligence files.

Another key issue the coroner must rule on is whether the inquests into the deaths of the four suicide bombers should be combined with those of the victims.

Relatives of those killed oppose having the hearings held together because of the distress this would cause them.

The coroner said she hoped to announce what form the inquests would take within two to three weeks.
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« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2010, 07:57:48 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2010, 08:09:57 AM »


'The coroner also revealed she went on the internet to read conspiracy theories about the attacks.'

wow..a glimmer of hope ? -  maybe she should call Peter Power in for a chat.. 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8649577.stm


MI5 files on 7/7 attacks 'impossible' to access

 It would be "impossible" to reveal secret MI5 files about the 7/7 London terror attacks, a court has been told.

The claim has been made at a hearing to decide the format of inquests into the deaths of those killed in 2005.

Lawyers for the families of those who died argue the hearing should also look at whether the intelligence services could have prevented the attacks.

Counsel for the home secretary and MI5 argued examining MI5's involvement was outside the scope of the inquests.

Four suicide bombers detonated their devices on three Tube trains and one bus killing 52 innocent people.

It emerged after the attacks that security agencies came across two of the bombers in 2004 while investigating other terrorist plots.



But they were not considered to be of sufficient interest to be put under surveillance.

The hearing at the Royal Courts of Justice heard there would be no problem with providing highly sensitive intelligence material to the coroner and counsel to the inquests.

But any jurors could only see the material if they all underwent intrusive "developed vetting" and neither the bereaved families nor their lawyers would be allowed to see it.

Neil Garnham QC, counsel for the home secretary and MI5, said the two official reports about the attacks by the Intelligence and Security Committee (ISC) - made up of security-cleared MPs - had adequately investigated MI5's involvement.

He added there was "overwhelming" public interest in not having top secret MI5 documents revealed in the hearings.

The coroner, Lady Justice Hallett, asked whether it would be possible to restrict the intelligence material discussed in the inquests to that related to the 7 July attacks.

She said: "The families want to know why the decisions were taken in the way they were, and to put questions."

But Mr Garnham suggested a problem would arise because it was necessary to put the decision not to place the 7 July bombers under surveillance in context of all the other investigations MI5 was carrying out at the time.

He said: "It is difficult to see how that can be done without, metaphorically speaking, handing over the keys to Thames House."

The coroner also revealed she went on the internet to read conspiracy theories about the attacks.

The hearing continues.
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