KT got some odd ideas

[chrsswtzr]

Well you guys were right. Trudeau's stuff is a complete and total scam.

Which stuff are you referring to? His books? I'm curious...

[Kain]

Which stuff are you referring to? His books? I'm curious...

That was tongue-in-cheek.

Just figured the best way to shut people the hell up is agree with them and move on. Someone once told me that you can't argue with a crazy man.

[chrsswtzr]

That was tongue-in-cheek.

Just figured the best way to shut people the hell up is agree with them and move on. Someone once told me that you can't argue with a crazy man.

So you really haven't checked out any of his stuff and are agreeing with people for no reason but to appease them?

[Rock]

By the way.  Here is the book that helped many people to see the government might not be on our side.  20,000,000 copies sold so far.

https://www.naturalcures.com/Store/view-natural-cures-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-detail.aspx



I would say.....that's an impressive awakening.

[chrsswtzr]

By the way.  Here is the book that helped many people to see the government might not be on our side.  20,000,000 copies sold so far.

https://www.naturalcures.com/Store/view-natural-cures-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-detail.aspx



I would say.....that's an impressive awakening.

And heres' the FREE PDF file of said book "Natural Cures" by Kevin Trudeau from my web-hosting site.

[Aerioch]

By the way.  Here is the book that helped many people to see the government might not be on our side.  20,000,000 copies sold so far.

https://www.naturalcures.com/Store/view-natural-cures-they-dont-want-you-to-know-about-detail.aspx



I would say.....that's an impressive awakening.

I have read the book.  It is 3/4 personal history/stories/testimonials of medical treatments, and 1/4 or less medical knowledge that you can get online, or medical journals.

I will give Mr. Trudaeu credit for writing about the almost criminal marketing and promotional tactics though. When that book was first printed it wasn't main stream knowledge.

But the book was for profit, unlike the majority of what Alex does.

[chrsswtzr]

I have read the book.  It is 3/4 personal history/stories/testimonials of medical treatments, and 1/4 or less medical knowledge that you can get online, or medical journals.

I will give Mr. Trudaeu credit for writing about the almost criminal marketing and promotional tactics though. When that book was first printed it wasn't main stream knowledge.

But the book was for profit, unlike the majority of what Alex does.

If that's the only thing you can say is bad about the book, than its a good book.

So every author with a top selling novel is terrible because they're out to make a buck? Ha ha ha ha

[Rock]

Money the book made don't matter.  It's what the message accomplished.  And I, like Alex, am glad he got rich off it.  That gave him the money to fight future legal battles.

Not everyone should be as poor as JB....lol



Rock

[Q]

Your the one calling him a liar!  You must prove what you say.

Debate trickery won't work on me or other educated sound minded people.

Your falling apart,


Rock

You obviously have some personal or egotistical stake in this or an "educated person" would not continue defending the indefensible in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Let's deal with the "Natural Cures" defence for Trudeau since it's the only one cited by anyone. If a criminal does something partially positive once in their life of crime, does that absolve them of their previous crimes and more importantly, does it give immunity for all their crimes that follow? Cheney and co would love that rationale. Yes, this debate is that surreal.

Night Night

[donnay]

Kevin Trudeau | Biography
http://www.ktradionetwork.com/

Kevin Trudeau is fast becoming the world’s foremost consumer and natural health advocate! He is also regarded as the most fearless whistleblower of corporate and government corruption of all time! Mr. Trudeau is a former “corporate and government insider” and founder of over 60 companies all around the world. His global business empire has included TV networks, publishing, manufacturing, telecommunications, research organizations, media production and distribution, advertising and consulting. These business enterprises have generated billions of US dollars in sales over the last 25 years.

Today Mr. Trudeau is one of the most read authors of all time. His books have all been best sellers and have sold over 30 million copies globally. Mr. Trudeau’s most controversial book, Natural Cures “They” Don’t Want You to Know About was number 1 on the New York Times best sellers list for 26 weeks in a row becoming the best selling health book of all time.

Books authored by Kevin Trudeau:

    * Mega Memory: How to release your photographic memory
    * Natural Cures “They” Don’t Want You to Know About
    * More Natural Cures Revealed: The Previously Censored Brand Name Products That Cure Disease
    * The Weight Loss Cure
    * Debt Cures

Major Accomplishments:

    * Founder American Memory Institute, which became the largest memory training school in the world
    * Member World Masters of Business, traveling and sharing the stage with President Gorbachev and General Norman Schwarzkopf
    * Appeared on over 2000 radio shows in 10 countries
    * Appeared on almost every major TV talk show in America including CNN, FOX News, and The Today Show with Matt Lauer
    * Appeared on over 200 TV shows as a guest
    * Starred in the UK TV “Debbie and Kevin Show” which became a top watched program
    * Appeared as a feature story in over 300 newspapers and magazines around the world including The London Times, The New York Times, Time Magazine, US News and World Reports, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, The Sydney Times, and The Boston Globe.
    * Books have sold over 30 million copies
    * One of the 20 most watched TV celebrities in America since 1989
    * Dubbed “America’s Marketing Guru” by the Wall Street Journal
    * Founder TruStar Global Media Group, The Golf Channel UK, Shop America, YOU TV
    * Listed in 30 editions of “Who’s Who”
    * Made over 3000 speeches in 20 countries to audiences as large as 75,000
    * Has appeared live on stage to over 4 million people
    * Teaches seminars and workshops for 30 hours over 4 days, all from memory without notes
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You can complaint to him here--feel free to send him your comments!

[sssomechange308]

If a criminal does something partially positive once in their life of crime, does that absolve them of their previous crimes and more importantly, does it give immunity for all their crimes that follow?

like the convicted felon that got hired by relatives to care for eldery but hid an identity but making money and doing the do. victimless crime is one thing, crimes involving victims. 

[nustada]

like the convicted felon that got hired by relatives to care for eldery but hid an identity but making money and doing the do. victimless crime is one thing, crimes involving victims. 

You do realize the #1 victim of tv and telemarketers and pyramid schemes are the elderly.

Making money is not the the problem. Making or providing something is one thing, taking other peoples work, claiming you discovered it yourself though false adventure stories is another.

Lets say he told the truth and did go to builderberg, that just moves him from dubious trickster to sworn enemy.

[sssomechange308]

You do realize the #1 victim of tv and telemarketers and pyramid schemes are the elderly.

hmm.. they dont market everything.... im talking about people who cant use 2/3 of motor function.

wtf?!

[sssomechange308]

ok say i sell drugs to your kid and have tons. or i steal a nice laptop from a house while being a hha or even going so far as to empty 100,000 from your fraud notes account, what does that say.

felon? or a misguided. maybe a rapist or even a unintentional murderer. felony in america is that f'd up. nation of moral and egotistial bigots and dominants. just like our errs, the dutch and english queenies. bs in otw.

[7D7]

Money the book made don't matter.  It's what the message accomplished.  And I, like Alex, am glad he got rich off it.  That gave him the money to fight future legal battles.

Not everyone should be as poor as JB....lol



Rock

So what of the $9.95 monthly newletter that he makes damn near impossible to cancel? Most people just end up canceling the card.

Just like all the other scams like Work Out World, Enzyte, Extnenze, or any other pills that "Enhance" and/or "enlarge" "that male part", Video Professor and so on. Once they get ahold of your credit/debit card number, you will get a new charge every month and they will never let go, short of canceling the card or threatening them with leagal action.

And not to mention the money made by selling your information to other companies.

I don't care if he is selling Bibles.... those are the tactics of a scum bag thief who uses portions of truth as bait for catching suckers.





 

[Kain]

So you really haven't checked out any of his stuff and are agreeing with people for no reason but to appease them?

Have you even read any of my prior posts on this thread?

The bottom line is this: You aren't going to convince them, they aren't going to convince you. It's a dead and pointless thread.

And yes, I've read his book, and there's some good stuff in there. In fact, in the very first Trudeau thread when he was on live with Alex, I was one of the first to recommend his book to folks if they had a weight problem.

[hideousmonster]

Excerpts from amazon.com reader reviews of "natural cures they don't want you to know about:"

The book is everything but not exactly what you would expect to get judging by the title. Kevin Trudeau constantly refers to his website where one supposedly would get full explanation for various topics. The only problem is that no one can get any explanation free of charge. Once you land at the website, you will realize that there is almost nothing that you could learn unless you come up with some kind of payment! Otherwise the book has some valid and valuable information. However, there are many other books at the market that discuss natural cures, stress reduction methods, proper nutrition, proper breathing techniques, yoga, etc. They are often not only much more informative but at the same time also cheaper.

The Natural Cures/Kevin Trudeau company stole money from me!!! Even if you are not buying this book from the infomercial, do not give this man any more money as he is a thief and scam artist who is being pursued by the government on Fraud charges. Once his company gets your credit card information (for their "free" newsletter that was offered with the book) they conveniently keep charging your card long after cancelling your order. I tried to cancel numerous time because I did not want it in the first place but they never did. This company charged me multiple times and refused to give me credit. Finally my credit card company had to get involved because Natural Cures found no record of my multiple requests to cancel what I did not order. The company still refused to refund all my money!

Now, after 6 months, they have started charging my credit card again and are giving me the run around about refunding it. I contacted them over a month ago and they are still telling me it will take another 30 days for a refund for something I did not order. Be wary of this man and this company!

Hmmm... A 600 page book of medical advice with no index, no bibliography, and no references.

This book is a waste of time. I expected that I could find a specific problem and find a specific answer to said problem. That wasn't the case in this book. The internet provide better solutions to medical questions. Don't waste your money.

I was very disappointed in this book. I was looking for specific answers and it was mostly rethoric.

Two issues I have with this book.

1. Mr. Trudeau claims the media is in the pocket of both the medical and pharmecutical industry, resulting in supression of natural cures evidence. Then he spends at least 60 pages quoting major media outlets reporting on the dangers of prescription drugs and surgery.

2. Mr. Trudeau cites Decca records passing on the Beatles as proof that doctors don't know what they're doing. Seriously, it's in the book.

THIS BOOK IS A REVELATION. I WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD IN 2008,BUT AFTER READING THIS BOOK AND FOLLOWING THE DIRECTIONS,I CAME BACK TO LIFE IN 2009.IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME,JUST ASK ME. BUY IT TODAY!!!!!

Please do your homework on Mr trudeau before you buy. All it is going to do is cost you more money

started to purchase Debt Cures they dont want you to know about. It was then I discovered the author was the same person who wrote: Natural Cures they dont want you to know about. I stopped and realized the person has nothing to say and it is not worth loosing your money.

The author goes on and on about the FDA & the drug administration throughtout the book. He doesn't give you his so-called remidies - he tells you to go to a web site for that information. There, in order to find out anything, you have to pay $9.95 just to gain access.
Sorry folks. This is just another money making pitch with no real help. Keep your doctor.

I would continue, but the limit to how much I can type into one post is far too small.

[Aerioch]

Do you even realize how misleading you have to be for the FTC rule against the Advertiser/Marketer/Product Corp?

Trudeau has actually been banned from producing, purchasing, and appearing in any Informercial for 3 years, and had to pay $37million in fines. (Fines for this book alone are $42 Million.)

How many other Corporations do you see being banned, and fined for 3 years?

2007: FTC contempt of court action

The FTC filed a contempt of court action against Trudeau and the companies that market The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About, alleging that Trudeau was in contempt of a 2004 court order by "deceptively claiming in his infomercials that the book being advertised establishes a weight-loss protocol that is 'easy' to follow." The action was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois on September 17, 2007.[24] According to an FTC press release, Trudeau has claimed that the weight loss plan outlined in the book is easy, can be done at home, and readers can eat anything they want. When consumers buy the book, they find it describes a complex plan that requires intense dieting, daily injections of a prescribed drug that is not easily obtainable, and lifelong dietary restrictions.[25]

On November 19, 2007, Trudeau was found in contempt of the 2004 court order for "patently false" claims in his weight loss book. U.S. District Court Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled that Trudeau "clearly misrepresents in his advertisements the difficulty of the diet described in his book, and by doing so, he has misled thousands of consumers."[5][6][26] On August 7, 2008, Judge Gettleman issued an order that Trudeau was not to appear in infomercials for three years from the date of the order, and was to pay a penalty of $5,173,000, an estimate of the royalties received from the weight loss book.[27][28] On November 4, 2008, Judge Gettleman amended the judgment to $37,616,161, the amount consumers paid in response to the deceptive infomercials. The court denied Trudeau’s request to reconsider or stay this ruling on December 11 of the same year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau


This in 2007-2008... Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled that Trudeau "clearly misrepresents in his advertisements the difficulty of the diet described in his book, and by doing so, he has misled thousands of consumers.

That is willful deception, with the intent to profit.

[changedname]

Although I give credit to Kevin for educating people on Pharmacuitical's vs Natural meds I still do have some questions about him. I ordered the "Free" book from him but when I made the call I had to go through a long exhausting conversation with the guy taking my order where he was trying to get me to purchase many other things that I did not want.  Later after ordering this book I received mail inviting me to join the Illuminati telling me that I would learn secrets of this elite group and could learn how to make lots of money etc.. I then became suspicious of Kevin because I thought if he was associated with this Illuminati then I had to question the things he said about going against the establishment because are not these Illuninati a big part of the establishment that he claims to have fought so hard against and exposing in his books? 

[uwaf]

Asking you to join the Illuminati??? 

[changedname]

Yes, it was not exactly directly from Kevin but endorsed by him!  I think it was another money making scheme too! I would have had to pay to join this elite group of course. Also I was to keep it secret and not tell anyone! I guess I blew that didn't I ? hahahaha

[jimwill]

So, where does Alex get all of his information?
From the people on the inside bragging about what they have done and are about to do!
If this guy is on the inside, and is willing to talk, then shouldn't we listen, then when something he told us about happens we won't be so surprised! Books are one thing - but by talking to Alex the bragging reaches a larger audience more quickly!
Personally I disagree with many of Alex's guests, and Alex too, on some subjects - but I still listen and check it out! Some things they know a lot about and give excellent information, on others they have been led (or are leading you) on a false track. So, if it don't sound right, check it out, or even if it does sound right then check it out!

[donnay]

Do you even realize how misleading you have to be for the FTC rule against the Advertiser/Marketer/Product Corp?

Trudeau has actually been banned from producing, purchasing, and appearing in any Informercial for 3 years, and had to pay $37million in fines. (Fines for this book alone are $42 Million.)

How many other Corporations do you see being banned, and fined for 3 years?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau


This in 2007-2008... Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled that Trudeau "clearly misrepresents in his advertisements the difficulty of the diet described in his book, and by doing so, he has misled thousands of consumers.

That is willful deception, with the intent to profit.

No, what it is, is selective enforcement per se.

I am not sure you see how silly your argument is.  The FTC like any government agency protects most hardcore corporations that have the wherewithal to send out teams of lobbyist and whom have legal teams.  Consider this for a moment--Why hasn't any of the alphabet soup agencies gone after the Pharmaceutical Corporations with charges of misleading and false advertising their products?  Take for example: Merck's Gardasil--Their deceptive practice is making women think that this vaccine will help them fight cervical cancer--when in fact, the risks of taking these three vaccines (@ $300.00 plus a piece) far outweighs the statistic of women ever getting cervical cancer.  I know this because I took the time to research this information.

So, what I am pointing out is that it is imperative for everyone to question EVERYTHING.  Not just Trudeau but EVERYTHING.  Especially the ones that government protects.

[wvoutlaw2002]

Another pefect example of the irrelevance of the FTC is "zero grams trans fat". Food companies are allowed to advertise their products as "zero grams trans fat" as long as the amount of trans fat per serving is below 0.5 grams...if a food product has 0.4999 grams trans fat per serving, they can advertise as "zero grams trans fat". Why did they adopt this? Simple...because of lobbying from the food industry. I bet if Kevin Trudeau sold a food product with 0.3 grams trans fat per serving and advertised it as "zero grams trans fat", they would get him for deceptive advertising.

I'll put it this way: If you're a corporate member of the CFR or are headed by a CFR member, your company will be held by the FTC and FDA as above the law.

[Mr.C]

tradeau is a crook a thief a con artist a scammer and a liar...this and more has been proven in a court of law..actually more than one court of law

people defending KT is beyond comprehension to me

and thats not even getting into the fact that alex had him on his show..which is a whole nother topic

deffinately gives me pause..im shocked..surprised..saddened..and quite angry...alex associating with KT makes me ashamed and embarrased to share his program with others

but thats just the way it is isnt it.

later

[DAVIDE MTL]

tradeau is a crook a thief a con artist a scammer and a liar...this and more has been proven in a court of law..actually more than one court of law

people defending KT is beyond comprehension to me

and thats not even getting into the fact that alex had him on his show..which is a whole nother topic

deffinately gives me pause..im shocked..surprised..saddened..and quite angry...alex associating with KT makes me ashamed and embarrased to share his program with others

but thats just the way it is isnt it.

later

Alex just had him as a guest, it's not like he hailed Trudeau as king of the truth movement and let's all follow his lead, the interview was very interesting...at the same time I can't believe everyone here is ok with the fact he mentions in his book that he's been to area 51 and seen 2 dead alien bodies...I guess it's just me who finds it odd

[Ravenous11]

The guy is a con artist and has probably killed countless people with his stupid book. Read the reviews for people who have suffered believing his crap on Amazon. He is a con artist guys. How much money did he pay Alex to get on the show? Oh and Kevin has friends in Bilderberg  what a coincidence, just in time to peddle his bullshit on Alex Jones' show.. Alex you're completely losing you're credibility man. I can't believe people buy into this crap. The 'truth movement' is loaded with suckers.

Looking more and more like Alex is a con-man / zionist.

[uwaf]

How did he kill people?

[hideousmonster]

Alex just had him as a guest, it's not like he hailed Trudeau as king of the truth movement and let's all follow his lead, the interview was very interesting...at the same time I can't believe everyone here is ok with the fact he mentions in his book that he's been to area 51 and seen 2 dead alien bodies...I guess it's just me who finds it odd

What?!?!? He says that in his book!?! Huhuh... you've got to be kidding me. I know he's a liar and should be kept off of Alex's show, but come on.  You have to be making that up.

[Infokrieger]

He hit them over the head with it 

[Ravenous11]

How did he kill people?

By giving our misinformation to sick and dying people who need a doctor not some con artist quack. Look at the reviews at Amazon for god's sakes. This guy is a con artist!
http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Cures-They-Dont-About/product-reviews/0975599593/ref=sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_img?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

[luckee1]

Asking you to join the Illuminati??? 

more specifically the neo tech society of secrets (check out venus project on you tube).  the writer claims to be of the illuminati.  I think it is really a segment of it only .  I got such invitation also.

And Lo!  I jsut another similar one for a set of dvds. a  $10,000.00 event for 299.99! 

I am not taken by it.

But his Natural Cures book is outstanding.

[Ravenous11]

I think half of the 'truth movement' are retarded. Kevin is a con artist. Alex Jones is embarrassing himself.

[wembley87]

I think half of the 'truth movement' are retarded. Kevin is a con artist. Alex Jones is embarrassing himself.

And of course youre not a troll 

[Ravenous11]

And of course youre not a troll 

Do you honestly believe Kevin is legit? 

[hideousmonster]

I hereby request that this topic be moved to the Guests board.

[donnay]

tradeau is a crook a thief a con artist a scammer and a liar...this and more has been proven in a court of law..actually more than one court of law

people defending KT is beyond comprehension to me

and thats not even getting into the fact that alex had him on his show..which is a whole nother topic

deffinately gives me pause..im shocked..surprised..saddened..and quite angry...alex associating with KT makes me ashamed and embarrased to share his program with others

but thats just the way it is isnt it.

later

And, I suppose you think the courts are on the up and up?  No graft, no corruption and no favors are made behind closed doors, eh?  *SIGH*

[Freeski]

And, I suppose you think the courts are on the up and up?  No graft, no corruption and no favors are made behind closed doors, eh?  *SIGH*

People can't be trusted to control us.

[JTCoyoté]

Alex just had him as a guest, it's not like he hailed Trudeau as king of the truth movement and let's all follow his lead, the interview was very interesting...at the same time I can't believe everyone here is ok with the fact he mentions in his book that he's been to area 51 and seen 2 dead alien bodies...I guess it's just me who finds it odd

 Hmmm... "the fact"...

Can you post a link to this "revelation"! Or a book title and page number...?

--Oldyoti

"Fear can only prevail when victims
are ignorant of the facts."
~Thomas Jefferson

[JTCoyoté]

I hereby request that this topic be moved to the Guests board.

Your bequest is noted...

--Oldyoti

"The reason for the Second Amendment may not be
fully understood until such time as it is needed."
~Thomas Jefferson