KT got some odd ideas

[David Rothscum]

Kinda interesting how Kevin went into how this stuff is mentioned in the popular culture (James Bond he mentioned specifically) again just repeating exactly what Alex has said before himself. The guy is a convicted conman how can you guys buy into this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny. Trudeau had used the credit cards of eleven customers of a mega memory product to fraudulently charge approximately $122,735.68.[14] He spent two years in federal prison because of this conviction (Choi, 2005). Later, in his book Natural Cures, Trudeau claimed that he has since learned from his experience, and is now motivated to help people rather than merely make money for himself.[

[shirteesdotnet]

FWIW - Amway uses alot of Dale Carnegie to motivate their sheeple. I was once in this cult briefly when I was in college - just about everything they do is NWO-ish. It's no coincidence that they use DC garbage.

I believe it. My brothers wife, get this, sells products for a company just like Amway (Called Melaluca). Its a pyramid scheme, where she gets sales off all the things her friends buy, and if they sell anything she gets a part of that cut also. She schemed my mom into some natural pills when she was first diagnosed with cancer (shes dead now) and my mom tried to cancel the first order and this company wouldnt let her! My mom spent the first few weeks with cancer fighting an MLM company and not fighting cancer. It sickens me to this day. now my dad is suckered into her companies products. $50 every shipment, whether you place an order or not. My dad was gone for two weeks on a business trip just recently and I went to his house to pick up mail. In two weeks he got THREE boxes from this place. My dad wont cancel becuase he is helping her with her little business. What a bunch of BS. The real reason is they use Carnegie tactics to act like good christians. But the truth is they just want money, even if its from their own parents.

Funny too, my dad is all against the NWO now (hes 75) he eats organic now and is doing pretty good health wise (he is also against big pharma), yet I cannot mention this brother and his wife to him. My dad will get all angry. He is just sooooo intertwined with them becuase they act like good christians. They got my dad hook line and sinker.

[jshowell]

I've got nothing against the guy personally..but I tend not to like liars, conmen, fraudsters etc.

What you say is exactly right - Trudeau is a repeater, a repackager etc...After his criminal pyramid supplement selling scheme was wound up, he followed the trend and appended himself to the patriot movement for profit. He is telling you what you want to hear, repeating your own views back to you, mirroring. Very flattering and deceptive.

BTW, I included the link because it offers a free ebook instead of buying Trudeau's version.

He actually told me stuff I've never heard before-the "bilderberg" group is really just one of 4 groups that is only for North america and Europe.  Who has said that before?

[Q]

So I'm guessing it was "Q" that changed the name of the thread?  Is there a mod war going on in these forums?

Hey don't accuse me of being a mod...(I would not join any cadre that would have someone like me as a member).  

[John Galt]

Everything Kevin said was true.
Rock

Damn Rock, that's going a bit far, don't you think? I intend to relisten to that interview at least two or three more times before I intend to say so much as 75% of it was true.

~jg

[Rock]

Damn Rock, that's going a bit far, don't you think? I intend to relisten to that interview at least two or three more times before I intend to say so much as 75% of it was true.

~jg

Ok, what was not.  Maybe I overlooked something?  I can have my mind changed.



Rock

[shirteesdotnet]

He actually told me stuff I've never heard before-the "bilderberg" group is really just one of 4 groups that is only for North america and Europe.  Who has said that before?

Doesnt it seem common place though? Who are Bilderbergs? Middle age white guys and girls mostly. Right? Why would the Chinese or Islamic people be with them? Common sense tells me they are "for themselves" as Kevin put it. Common sense there. It doesnt take a genius to figure that out.

Look, Im impartial to Kevin. He has good advice, but I dont follow the guy. You can get his books at the library for free like I did and give him none of your money, then make your own decisions.

The point Im trying to get across is he is a saleseman before anything else. Same with Alex to some extent, but Alex gives away all his movies for free. You cant beat that. I give Alex my $6 a month for PrisonPlanet becuase I believe in his message. I'll go buy Kevins new book becuase it sounds interesting too. But I'm no ones fool. I can see tactics people use. Everyone is using them, even my own brother. So watch yourselves and get informed.

[jshowell]

Hey don't accuse me of being a mod...(I would not join any cadre that would have someone like me as a member).  

So I guess you're a hacker.  Don't you think this discredits anything you say? 

[Q]

Kinda interesting how Kevin went into how this stuff is mentioned in the popular culture (James Bond he mentioned specifically) again just repeating exactly what Alex has said before himself. The guy is a convicted conman how can you guys buy into this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny. Trudeau had used the credit cards of eleven customers of a mega memory product to fraudulently charge approximately $122,735.68.[14] He spent two years in federal prison because of this conviction (Choi, 2005). Later, in his book Natural Cures, Trudeau claimed that he has since learned from his experience, and is now motivated to help people rather than merely make money for himself.[

Exactly. He is a practiced conman doing exactly what conmen do..

[John Galt]

Ok, what was not.  Maybe I overlooked something?  I can have my mind changed.
Rock

I'll let you know, once the podcast becomes available and I've analyzed it.

Some of these PP Forum cats here are bringing up some HUGE points to pay attention to. Give 'em some credit, before giving this Trudeau salesman EVERYTHING.

You're OUR mod, not Trudeau's.

~jg

[jshowell]

Doesnt it seem common place though? Who are Bilderbergs? Middle age white guys and girls mostly. Right? Why would the Chinese or Islamic people be with them? Common sense tells me they are "for themselves" as Kevin put it. Common sense there. It doesnt take a genius to figure that out.

Not really.  Bilderberg was supposed to be "the" group that decides policy.  Now it's the brotherhood.  That's a big seachange and isn't chalked up to "common sense".   Show me where an overgroup of Bilderberg has been talked about by anyone before.

[Q]

So I guess you're a hacker.  Don't you think this discredits anything you say? 

You've lost me now...unless you're referring to to my new thread that was merged with this one?

[William Rausch]

JSHowell wrote:


"He actually told me stuff I've never heard before-the "bilderberg" group is really just one of 4 groups that is only for North america and Europe.  Who has said that before?"

***

That reminds me of the various "Unions" that are being set up globally according to the Club of Rome Agreement:  the Bilderbergers seem to me to be the executors of the Club of Rome global agenda, therefor they ARE the global authority.

[jshowell]

You've lost me now...unless you're referring to to my new thread that was merged with this one?

Unless you're being facetious you just admitted you're not a mod, but somehow changing the name of this thread.  Is this thread's name being manipulated by you or by Rock (a mod)?  How can your thread merge with another thread if you don't manipulate it from mod status?  As a user I can't "merge" threads.  If you admit you're not a mod and can still manipulate threads then you must be a hacker and are here to cause trouble, which you're doing.  So why should anyone listen to anything you write on this forum?

[TheHouseMan]

Kinda interesting how Kevin went into how this stuff is mentioned in the popular culture (James Bond he mentioned specifically) again just repeating exactly what Alex has said before himself. The guy is a convicted conman how can you guys buy into this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Trudeau
In 1990, Trudeau posed as a doctor in order to deposit $80,000 in false checks, and in 1991 he pleaded guilty to larceny. Trudeau had used the credit cards of eleven customers of a mega memory product to fraudulently charge approximately $122,735.68.[14] He spent two years in federal prison because of this conviction (Choi, 2005). Later, in his book Natural Cures, Trudeau claimed that he has since learned from his experience, and is now motivated to help people rather than merely make money for himself.

I'm very conflicted on this. I listened to the interview today, and he seems like a genuine truther, a nice guy, and totally speaks my language.

At the same time, this guy has clearly been involved in a lot of fraud.

One thing I would point out is that he said he USED to be a part of their system, but then he stepped away. So maybe that's why he's on Alex's show. Perhaps he's no longer a corrupt guy. I'm really just theorising here. There are still a huge amount of questions.

Alex is going to have him back on the show soon, so I'll be interested to see him take phone calls. I'll be calling in if I get the chance.

Oh, and by the way, stop hijacking this discussion with your idiotic hacker allegations at Q. Just shut up.

[John Galt]

Show me where an overgroup of Bilderberg has been talked about by anyone before.

Well, there's the Committee of 300 that John Coleman has talked about for quite some time now:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=21792
http://coleman300.com/Books/Committee300/Details.aspx
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=170819614143019768

[gEEk squad]

I'm definitely skeptical of some of his claims. He said a lot of the right things and most of what he said were spot on. That's the best thing to do when selling something or giving out disinfo. A lie is best told between two truths.

Go to the website he was talking about (globalinformationnetwork.com)

It is "invitation only," except you can pay $1000 up front and a $150 monthly fee to get inside information from Bilderberg, CFR, TC members, royalty, Prime Ministers, etc...

A lot of the claims on how you'll make a ton of money, etc... seem too good to be true. I would say they probably are.

I'm not saying Trudeau is BS, but he is a great salesman and one should be skeptical of some of what he says.

[David Rothscum]

I'm very conflicted on this. I listened to the interview today, and he seems like a genuine truther, a nice guy, and totally speaks my language.

At the same time, this guy has clearly been involved in a lot of fraud.

One thing I would point out is that he said he USED to be a part of their system, but then he stepped away. So maybe that's why he's on Alex's show. Perhaps he's no longer a corrupt guy. I'm really just theorising here. There are still a huge amount of questions.

Alex is going to have him back on the show soon, so I'll be interested to see him take phone calls. I'll be calling in if I get the chance.

The thing is, the best way to destroy our credibility is saying yes and Amen to this guy.

[America2]

I believe it. My brothers wife, get this, sells products for a company just like Amway (Called Melaluca). Its a pyramid scheme, where she gets sales off all the things her friends buy, and if they sell anything she gets a part of that cut also. She schemed my mom into some natural pills when she was first diagnosed with cancer (shes dead now) and my mom tried to cancel the first order and this company wouldnt let her! My mom spent the first few weeks with cancer fighting an MLM company and not fighting cancer. It sickens me to this day. now my dad is suckered into her companies products. $50 ever shipment, whether you place an order or not. My dad was gone for two weeks on a business trip just recently and I went to his house to pick up mail. In two weeks he got THREE boxes from this place. My dad wont cancel becuase he is helping her with her little business. What a bunch of BS. The real reason is they use Carnegie tactics to act like good christians. But the truth is they just want money, even if its from their own parents.

Funny too, my dad is all against the NWO now (hes 75) he eats organic now and is doing pretty good health wise (he is also against big pharma), yet I cannot mention this brother and his wife to him. My dad will get all angry. He is just sooooo intertwined with them becuase they act like good christians. They got my dad hook line and sinker.

I believe there's other similar schemes like this - Shackley(sp) is one, and I was also introduced to another a couple of years later in college(can't remember the name - but it was one of those "get rich quick schemes" where you get people to MERELY try their products, then you earn points). Also, when I was in Amway, one of the local elites was the founder of a prestigeous hospital - he gave a BS story over how he went broke b/c of all the money in oil investments in lost in the 80's...and then some prominent lawyer in the city came by his house to introduce him to this. This is a joke, right? So some prominent lawyer, who already makes a load of money, is involved in Amway, and decides to mozy over to one of the city's elites who went broke to get him involved in something he didn't even have money to invest in? And how can oil investments ALONE make an elite go broke?

Conditioning, distracting, conditioning, distraction...this is what the NWO is all about - installing these money making scam cults is no surprise. Me? I can honestly say during this 4 month period, I ruined my relationships with my parents, family, and friends - lying, scheming, stealing, and just plain making myself stick out like a sore thumb - and to boot my grades took a nosedive. Another NWO agenda - divide and conquer.

[Rock]

I'll let you know, once the podcast becomes available and I've analyzed it.

Some of these PP Forum cats here are bringing up some HUGE points to pay attention to. Give 'em some credit, before giving this Trudeau salesman EVERYTHING.

You're OUR mod, not Trudeau's.

~jg

I will be looking forward to your analysis.

Rock

[William Rausch]

Also, if China and the US really are independent of one another, then why was Mao a CIA agent (which connection between the CIA (an agency within the State Department) and Beijing was so obvious that as early as 1949 people in the US were talking about "Communists in the State Department" (when they should have been talking about State Department people in the Chinese Communist Party), and why did the US give all its industry to China, and why does China accept our fiat currency (the IOU"s of a bankrupt nation) in payment for real goods?

It seems to me that the US, a Bilderberg subject nation, is still running China by remote control.

[TheHouseMan]

The thing is, the best way to destroy our credibility is saying yes and Amen to this guy.

Well I'm not saying Amen to him or anyone else. I've been asking a lot of questions.

I do find it incredibly strange that Alex did not ask about any of his fraud, his support of Dianetics (L Ron Hubbard's Scientology stuff) and so many allegations of corruption. Alex has also been talking about shutting down his message boards and comment sections. I'm not going to deny that I'm worried about Alex. Something is happening here. There are so many questions that he should have asked.

[Rock]

Unless you're being facetious you just admitted you're not a mod, but somehow changing the name of this thread.  Is this thread's name being manipulated by you or by Rock (a mod)?  How can your thread merge with another thread if you don't manipulate it from mod status?  As a user I can't "merge" threads.  If you admit you're not a mod and can still manipulate threads then you must be a hacker and are here to cause trouble, which you're doing.  So why should anyone listen to anything you write on this forum?

I merged the thread, without changing the title he created.  It is evidence of his disdain for the man.


Rock

[jshowell]

I merged the thread, without changing the title he created.  It is evidence of his disdain for the man.

Rock

Thanks for clearing that up.   

[RickT]

IF he is legit, has all of these "NWO friends" and they consider Alex types useful idiots who let us vent but never really do anything... his use of "we" in reference to elites and how they consider the general population morons, is very disturbing.  Almost like they thought it would be funny to send him on, tell all and sit back on their yachts laughing at our lack of reaction.

Call me paranoid but I sensed mocking.

[John Galt]

I will be looking forward to your analysis.

Rock

Guess now I'll have to deliver it then, eh   It will be worth the time and effort though, because like you I was VERY moved by what I heard from Mr. Trudeau. So was Alex, obviously. But unlike you and Alex, I don't easily trust this character.

~jg

[David Rothscum]

Questioning is ok.  Calling him "FULL OF SHIT" is a lie.  And if he said it to his face - would be worthy of an ass-kicking.

Hahaha. I'm going to put this nicely. The moment you physically attack someone for speaking his mind you've already lost. Like Gandhi said: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

[Rock]

Hahaha. I'm going to put this nicely. The moment you physically attack someone for speaking his mind you've already lost. Like Gandhi said: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

So you can call my wife a bitch right in front of me and I will stand by?

Your a greater man then me.


Rock

[Rock]

Guess now I'll have to deliver it then, eh   It will be worth the time and effort though, because like you I was VERY moved by what I heard from Mr. Trudeau. So was Alex, obviously. But unlike you and Alex, I don't easily trust this character.

~jg

I gave my analysis live.  Your welcome to scrutinize.  Some of what I typed was paraphrasing. 


Rock

[xereau]

Not really.  Bilderberg was supposed to be "the" group that decides policy.  Now it's the brotherhood.  That's a big seachange and isn't chalked up to "common sense".   Show me where an overgroup of Bilderberg has been talked about by anyone before.

Alan Watt has said this on many occasions, and also admits he does not know the names of the groups, just that they exist.  By the very nature of the pyramidal control scheme, higher and higher levels of secrecy surround each subsequent inner ring.

[David Rothscum]

So you can call my wife a bitch right in front of me and I will stand by?

Your a greater man then me.


Rock

Hey, it's a rule of thumb. I think the Chinese understand this better than I can explain it. In China, showing your anger at someone makes you lose face. Remember Alex bursting out yelling at the Prothink guy how he looks like a "weak little punk"? In the US it turns Alex into a patriot, in China it would probably destroy his credibility. When people can't win with words they think they'll win with anger or violence but they don't.

[Rock]

Kevin is on Alex now!  It's the re-broadcast!

[Rock]

Hey, it's a rule of thumb. I think the Chinese understand this better than I can explain it. In China, showing your anger at someone makes you lose face. Remember Alex bursting out yelling at the Prothink guy how he looks like a "weak little punk"? In the US it turns Alex into a patriot, in China it would probably destroy his credibility. When people can't win with words they think they'll win with anger or violence but they don't.

You win brother.  I don't have your self control.  I am violent when protecting my family.





Rock

[Unintelligable Name]

I think we can all kiss Kevin's ass goodbye if he is telling the truth.

[shirteesdotnet]

Hahaha. I'm going to put this nicely. The moment you physically attack someone for speaking his mind you've already lost. Like Gandhi said: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."

Hey, thats the quote at the top of page 1 of Kevins book "The Weight Loss Cure".

If you go to Kevins blog which I just found, he lists Alex Jones FIRST under his radio shows listing.

http://blog.ktradionetwork.com/

[John Galt]

I think we can all kiss Kevin's ass goodbye if he is telling the truth.

That is my conclusion as well, chemicalrain. This is precisely why I'm so skeptical about what he said.

Rock, I'm now listening to the rebroadcast, but not yet taking notes. I have a job to do right now, and will do my analysis tonight.

~jg

[Kain]

I'm going to ask this in as non-inflammatory way as I can...

You don't really think that Bilderberg is the TOP level of the elites, do you?

I think it goes to reason that you do not, nor will you EVER, know who they are, or what they look like.

They're the richest and most powerful people that you've never heard of. Bilderberg is just the gopher caste.

[Q]

Hey, thats the quote at the top of page 1 of Kevins book "The Weight Loss Cure".

If you go to Kevins blog which I just found, he lists Alex Jones FIRST under his radio shows listing.

http://blog.ktradionetwork.com/

Ah yes "The Weightloss Cure They Dont Want You To Know About"

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/consuminginterests/blog/2008/10/the_3year_ftc_ban_that_kevin_t.html

Excerpt:
Because a federal judge has banned Kevin Trudeau from infomercials in which he has an interest for three years. He's also been ordered to pay more than $5 million in profits from his book, "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About." This recent ruling in August confirms a 2004 contempt finding against Trudeau -- the second time he's been found in contempt of court in the past four years.

Judge Robert W. Gettleman of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois affirmed his 2007 ruling that Trudeau "clearly, and no doubt intentionally," violated a provision o a 2004 stipulated court order that prohibits him from misrepresenting the content of his books in his infomercials.

The judge stated that "the Infomercials" falsely and intentionally led thousands (probably hundreds of thousands) of consumers to believe that the Weight Loss Book would describe an 'easy,' 'simple' protocol that, once 'finished' would allow the consumer to 'eat anything' he or she wants."

Some of the "undeniably false" statements that the judge said Trudeau made:

    the diet protocol could not be done "easily" and "at home," because the protocol described in Trudeau's book requires colonics, which must be done at the office of a licensed practitioner, as well as injection of human growth hormone;

    dieters could not "complete" or "finish" Trudeau's four-phase program, because Trudeau's book states that "Phase 4 is for the rest of your life";

    dieters could not eat "anything" they want, because Trudeau's book prescribes that dieters following Phase 4 must eat "only 100% organic food," and no "brand name" food, "fast food," or "food served by regional or national chain restaurants"; and

    the diet protocol did not require "no exercise," because Trudeau's book states that three of the diet's four phases, including Phase 4, require walking one hour outside every day.

You cannot make this shit up..and yes, Trudeau is chock full of the stuff.

[Kain]

dieters could not eat "anything" they want, because Trudeau's book prescribes that dieters following Phase 4 must eat "only 100% organic food," and no "brand name" food, "fast food," or "food served by regional or national chain restaurants"; and

So, can I sue him for misrepresentation after his diet fails if I eat 3 packs of bacon a day? Because, after all, that falls into the category of 'eating anything I want.' 

[Q]

Alan Watt has said this on many occasions, and also admits he does not know the names of the groups, just that they exist.  By the very nature of the pyramidal control scheme, higher and higher levels of secrecy surround each subsequent inner ring.

I haven't heard the term "the Brotherhood" in this context before either - except in a rubbish film "Wanted"...maybe Trudeau saw it recently...