KT got some odd ideas

[kenischange]

    GIN would be a pyramid scheme if there were no product involved, but like I explained the product is information that is not readily available free or otherwise.

Wrong. There is typically a product involved in pyramid schemes. The fact that the product here is "information" makes it more obviously an illegal pyramid scheme. On top of that, there is no info within GIN that is not publicly available. If there were, any "truther" involved in GIN would be going against everything it means to be a truther (secret organization membership with secrets only for the special ones).

Have you seen these?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmXLghyU3Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JbzarFZIS8

 GIN is structured similar to many other MLM companies that are perfectly legitimate.  The business model of a person earning a commission from a sale is nothing new and widely used.

You are getting commission for selling memberships, not for selling a product. You will argue again about this saying "the info is the product", but we all know this MLM game and yes, it is a pyramid scheme. Amway is MLM, but (at least in most regions) they constantly have problems with people in Amway selling memberships and "how to sell memberships" material more than their catalog items (usually they never sell anything from the catalog). MLM, in a way, actually is a new name for the same thing...pyramid scheme. And you can bet people HAVE gone to jail for their MLM activities.

 Also, why are you calling his radio show fake?  Have you even listened to it?

His "radio show" until recently was mp3 files online only, not on radio and were released sporadically. Recently they are coming out more regularly and he is BUYING air time in some markets on Saturdays. That means his shows are essentially infomercials. This fact is not the end of the world, many radio shows start that way, as did AJ. But, just identifying the prestige level is MUCH lower than it would appear by calling it a RADIO SHOW and making his website layout look like infowars.com.

    You can't check out Kevin or GIN in five minutes, considering all of the disinformation on the internet.  No one here is in a position to say that the information presented in GIN is available on the internet unless you are a GIN member or know someone who is.  I am a member and am telling you this information is significant and the value for the money is tremendous.

I am in contact with 1 or more paid GIN members. Thank you.

    I have also attempted to communicate with Alex regarding GIN, but he never responds.  He isn't setup to handle the amount of emails he receives.  I think it would be great for Alex to seriously investigate GIN and get his opinion on it.

We can agree on that.

[kenischange]

Just a note. I see the GIN main website has been changed and no longer is specifically about the Illuminati, Bilderberg and other globalist inside information, as Trudeau originally had sold it as. It seems, at some point, he may have given up on that angle. Now all the wording is more general and covers mostly his illuminated network of knowledge and associations with people with the knowledge for tax shelters and miracle cures (basically).

It is still sickening, it is still a pyramid scheme, and it is still a disease. If GIN has changed it's face, then I have to wonder why people associated with it are still attempting to co-opt around here. I guess they just see this as a hunting ground to find prey.

[luckee1]

     GIN would be a pyramid scheme if there were no product involved, but like I explained the product is information that is not readily available free or otherwise.  GIN is structured similar to many other MLM companies that are perfectly legitimate.  The business model of a person earning a commission from a sale is nothing new and widely used.  Also, why are you calling his radio show fake?  Have you even listened to it?

     You can't check out Kevin or GIN in five minutes, considering all of the disinformation on the internet.  No one here is in a position to say that the information presented in GIN is available on the internet unless you are a GIN member or know someone who is.  I am a member and am telling you this information is significant and the value for the money is tremendous.

     I have also attempted to communicate with Alex regarding GIN, but he never responds.  He isn't setup to handle the amount of emails he receives.  I think it would be great for Alex to seriously investigate GIN and get his opinion on it.

You said that KT is not at the top of the pyramid?  Is it Mark Hamilton?  
KT lost my respect in MLM or pyramid scams 3 years ago way before this GIN scam.  I recommend the books only.  This new scam is using Nevis law for protecting the company's money.  And since you are doing not what you said you would do on the first time you posted about this, (joining up and telling us what the info was) and you insist on promoting GIN; as I swore before I will make sure the members here know what money will not be returned and why it won't be returned if they are not satisfied.

Nevis?

http://www.firstfidelitytrust.com/Nevis.asp

FFT is the largest trust company domiciled in Nevis, West Indies. The progressive trust laws of Nevis provide formidable obstacles to potential creditors, making it the most favorable independent jurisdiction in the world for an Asset Protection Trust. According to Nevis law, Nevis courts do not recognize or enforce U.S. judgments or judicial orders. Prior to commencing litigation proceedings in Nevis, a plaintiff-creditor is required to post a sizable cash litigation bond and to retain local counsel recognized by the Nevis courts. Any fraudulent conveyance claim must be filed within one year from the cause of action, and in no case more than two years after the transfer of assets. Fraudulent conveyance claims must also be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, rather than by a mere preponderance of the evidence. An unsuccessful plaintiff is normally liable for all legal costs, including those of the defendant. The enormous cost of litigation alone is usually enough to discourage most creditors.

Nevisian trust ordinances provide the grantor/settlor with the ability to appoint a protector. The protector has the authority to oversee the trustee and may have the discretion to replace the trustee or move the trust to another jurisdiction. These options offer the grantor/settlor considerable assurance that the trustee will consider his/her request.

Nevis has no perpetuities period and follows rules that benefit multi-generation treatment, making Nevis an ideal jurisdiction in which to create an international trust as part of your estate plan. If your tax advisors recommend a charitable trust, Nevis trust laws make the country a favorable jurisdiction for such a trust.

The FFT Asset Protection Trust (APT) is inherently a more protective trust and can provide major advantages over a U.S. domestic trust. Unlike a U.S. domestic trust, an APT formed by FFT can maintain control of present and future ownership and provide estate tax and probate cost savings. Perhaps the most important difference between an FFT trust and a U.S. Domestic Asset Protection Trust is that Nevis law allows the grantor/settlor to be a discretionary beneficiary of the trust (self-settled trust) without losing the ability to protect the trust assets. Although a few U.S. states have recently amended their trust statutes to allow self-settled trusts, there is little or no case law to support the U.S. Domestic Asset Protection Trust.
The advantages of incorporating in Nevis are numerous:

    * Nevis does not levy taxes on assets, income, dividends or other distributions derived outside the country; however, clients may be responsible for taxes in their home jurisdiction.
    * Corporate documents are not a matter of public record. There are no filing requirements for corporate financial returns, annual reports, and no notification requirements for changes of shareholders, directors or officers.
    * The corporation’s principal office, company records, and meetings may be held or maintained outside of Nevis.

About the Island of Nevis

Formerly a British colony, Nevis obtained its independence in 1983 and is part of the federation of St. Kitts and Nevis. This stable, democratic government is based on the British Parliamentary System, with a cabinet headed by a Premier as leader of the Majority Party in the House of Assembly. It is an active member of the Commonwealth of Nations and the United Nations. English is the official and commercial language. The unit of currency is the Eastern Caribbean (EC) dollar, which is fixed at EC $2.70 to U.S. $1.00. There are no currency exchange controls, and the U.S. dollar is readily accepted as a secondary currency.

Communications are state-of-the-art, with fiber optic digital systems and direct dialing to the U.S., Canada and Europe. Air service from North America is available from American Airlines, Air Canada, BWIA, and Delta, as well as regional carriers.
-------------------------------------

There is some information to be had that covers this.  Basically, whoever is using this place to sock away money is protected from those who do not have the fiduciary capabilities to take on any of their clients.  If this is where KT is putting all this money, you ain't getting it back.

http://www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/stkitts_nevis/jnvolaw.html

http://www.loc.gov/law/help/guide/nations/stkitts.php

[bluestealth2003]

     A physical product is not more valuable than information in my opinion.  The right information is worth its weight in gold.  For example, someone goes to college and pays thousands of dollars for an education but receives no physical product.  Was going to college a waste of time because no physical product was received?  I think most of you understand the value of information/knowledge when it truly benefits a person, and it has benefited me and the other members I know.

     Kevin's radio show is not at the level of Alex's, but is it also just beginning.  I doubt Alex had Ron Paul or someone of Alex's caliber at the beginning of his show.

     What are those GIN members you are in contact with saying about GIN?  Are they disappointed or think it to be a scam?

     There really isn't a top level to GIN because everyone at this point can only gain commissions down two levels.  The people making the most money are those who have the most contacts and marketing skills.  Kevin has said that he and the founders of GIN are not the ones making the money with GIN.  Take that for what you will, but he said it.

     It is clearly understood when you sign up as a member that the $1,000 is non-refundable.  I never expected to get that money back, but I am starting to make money on this.  I have already received a check from them and are due a substantial check in the next couple of weeks.  I didn't say I would be revealing the information I learned in GIN because I knew some of it was confidential.  I only said I would come on this board and tell if GIN was legitimate or not.

[bluestealth2003]

     I'm going to post as much as I can on here without breaching the agreement I have with GIN as a member.  I don't want to put my membership in jeopardy but I do want people to understand what GIN is really about. 

     I said in an earlier post that I would only give my code to someone who asked for it.  I am going to go ahead and post it here so that anyone who wants to join for FREE as an affiliate can do so.  I am not trying to sell any memberships or collect any commissions from anyone here.  I am doing this so that anyone can sign up for FREE as an affiliate and get access to some of the information so you can check it out better.  This includes the two training seminars in California and New York, marketing tools, free attendance to future affiliate seminars, member and affiliate comments (yes they are real comments, I have three on there myself) and access to all of the weekly audio updates for affiliates for the past two months.  Go to this link http://www.globalinformationnetwork.com/?AffiliateCode=1500452 and go to Affiliate Program on the left.  Scroll down and click to join the affiliate program.

     After you review that information let me know if you still have the same feeling about GIN or what your thoughts are.  I know people who have received checks from GIN and I have myself.  The next check that I will be receiving will pay for my initial dues several times over.  Affiliates have the same opportunity in this regard.
     
     Kevin is a big believer in reading books, here are some that he recommends: 

The Magic of Thinking Big
See You At The Top
Ask And It Is Given
The Secret
Psycho Cybernetics
Law of Success in 16 Lessons
Think And Grow Rich
Magic of Believing
How to Win Friends & Influence People
The Go Getter
Power of Positive Thinking
The Game of Work
Rich Dad, Poor Dad

[luckee1]

   
     
     Kevin is a big believer in reading books, here are some that he recommends: 

The Magic of Thinking Big
See You At The Top
Ask And It Is Given
The Secret
Psycho Cybernetics
Law of Success in 16 Lessons
Think And Grow Rich
Magic of Believing
How to Win Friends & Influence People
The Go Getter
Power of Positive Thinking
The Game of Work
Rich Dad, Poor Dad

So does Amway / Quickstar, but at least you have products.  Again you are spamming the GIN thing.  And there have been complaints and those people cannot get their money back.

http://globalinformationnetworkscam.blogspot.com/

GIN - The Global Information Network Scam (1)
_{Friday, July 24, 2009 10:34 PM by Jacob King , under GIN, internet business scam, kevin trudeau, scam, the global information network scam}

I remember when I first heard about The Global Information Network. It was on Kevin Trudeau's radio show. For a few shows in a row, he had briefly mentioned GIN, but had only said that it was a new organization in which I could make a ton a money (especially if I got in early), and that in it I would learn how to get anything I could possibly want out of life.

Of course, I was very intrigued by this mention. But I couldn't understand why Kevin would introduce such a mouth-watering, irresistible topic, only to leave me hanging on just a couple short statements of description.

Once I checked out GIN's website, I had the ITCH. And by itch, I mean an overwhelming sense of urgency that I needed to join this organization immediately- before someone else found it and got a leg up on me.

Why? Because the promises are irresistible (who wouldn't want to learn how to make $10,000 in 24 hours and learn the secrets of anti-aging?). In fact, if I had heard about The Global Information Network from anyone besides Kevin Trudeau, I would have thought for sure that it was some sort of West-African Internet Scam.

But I trusted Kevin. In fact, even after I realized he's misleading people through GIN, I still do trust him to an extent. The information I learned about food, drugs, and the health industry in his "Natural Cures" books has absolutely transformed my health. I lost 100lbs and cured most of my health issues by eating all organic food, regularly using a rebounder, and staying away from prescription and non-prescription drugs.

Because I had this little bit of trust in Kevin, I was willing to take a blind leap into joining The Global Information Network. At the time there was nothing written about it. No blogs, no reviews, no complaints. It was fresh. The website even looked like it was only halfway done. He didn't even try to hard-sell me on it. He just mentioned it, and a couple incredible sounding perks about, and let that brew in my head. But I had a trust in Kevin because he had delivered before on claims that also sounded irresistible, and nearly unbelievable.

And because he had proven a couple other irresistible claims to be true, I trusted him that the dozens of other irresistible claims GIN makes were also true.

It's though this hypnotic technique that GIN prospers:
Earn trust by proving something irresistible to be true, and sell the mystery of many other irresistible claims.

It's expected that if you trust GIN (or whoever referred you), that the trust should be enough to overpower your skepticism of joining. And that's just the beginning. It continues throughout their twelve levels. Drips of evidence and solid information followed by many more promises at the next level. In the process, they do everything they can to make you feel like you're doing a good thing for yourself, your family, and the entire world by taking the next step.

This first post is a small introduction of my insight on GIN, and it describes the path that leads most members into joining. If you've already joined, or are considering joining, I highly recommend that you read the rest of my posts on GIN first. (coming soon!)

If you've had any hesitations about joining such a general uneasy feeling when thinking about it or a sense of trembling in your conscience or spirit, I believe I know why.

I want the truth about The Global Information Network to be heard. I want it to be heard so badly that I pay out of my own pocket to advertise this blog to potential GIN members (which is why I have the ads, to help offset some of the cost).

I hope this blog serves you well, and opens your eyes to the fact that GIN is hypnotically capitalizing on your selfish desires, under the false guise that its goal is to make the world a better place.

Check back for more posts soon.

To the truth,
Jake King

Preying on the Lusts of Men-The Global Information Network Scam (2)

_{Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:35 PM by Jacob King , under GIN, global information network scam, kevin trudeau}
http://globalinformationnetworkscam.blogspot.com/
I've always wanted to believe that Kevin Trudeau has my best interest in mind. As I've written before, his "Natural Cures" books led me to information about food and health that totally changed my life. But the Trust Kevin had earned from me wasn't just derived from the fact that he wrote a book that had such a profound impact on me; it was largely due to the fact these books, he's constantly deeming himself a peoples' advocate, calling himself "The Whistle Blower." He demanded my trust. The premises he builds arguments upon within his books often solely depend on this trust.

And it's no different with what he's doing now with GIN.
The Global Information Network Scam requires you demonstrate your trust in Kevin (or whoever referred you) by taking a $1000 leap of faith to join an organization that you know are told very, very little about. And the way Kevin earns your trust is by hypnotically seducing you via your lusts for money, power, and control over our own realities.

Kind of ironic isn't it? A man that carries a persona that creates a false image of a man that truly has the peoples' best interest in mind is luring us into a program, one that we know very little about until after we join, by preying on our lusts.

His weekly audios hypnotically seduce us into becoming a member of GIN. I walk away from listening to those half hour audio files feeling like I'm in a trance of some sort. And even despite everything I've learned about Kevin and GIN, I still have a temptation to join. I feel an internal battle between the lusts of my flesh as an animal in solidarity and the cry of my spirit as a human being existing in a global community.

After I come to my senses again, I ponder this question: Why do our lusts drive us to make such irrational decisions?

Well, its part of the nature of things right now. As human beings we find ourselves gathering up all the resources we can. There are driving forces within us that create our insatiable need for resources- even at the cost of our fellow man.

And what's scary is that most people live life with this selfish approach as the default mode of operation. While searching through my own mind and heart for what really drives me everyday, I feel like I've discovered that security, safety, and sustainability in my life (and for the others around me, but of course first and foremost in my own life) is what drives me. I go through all of the crazy complexities of daily life in order to maintain security, sustainability, and safety.

So what's the point here?
There's a contradiction within each of us. We all long for safety, security, comfort, and as little work as possible. But we also long for equality, community, mutual joy, and harmony with others and the world around us. But the latter requires risk. Risk of losing security. Risk of not being comfortable. Risk of not feeling completely safe.

So many of us instead turn to achieving the easier, more justifiable route of safety and security through making lots of money and gaining power. It makes us feel important. It makes us feel like no one can mess with us. But it comes at the cost of community. Your fellow man becomes an object of financial exploitation rather. And the world is an opportunity for the taking, far from the remarkable, mysterious creation that it is.

And that's how the Global Information Network gets us. It promises safety, security, and luxury if you're willing to trust it enough to join. And what makes it so hard to resist is this appeal to the senses of your flesh is coming from Kevin Trudeau, a man that has earned trust from many of us through is bestselling health and food books.

But I urge you to not give in. You are capable of seeing through the hypnotic haze and seeing Global Information Network Scam for what it is. Open your eyes.
Jacob King

[ekimdrachir]

     Kevin Trudeau will have Alex on his radio show Oct. 13.  Go to www.ktradionetwork.com to see the interview on Tuesday.  It should be very interesting to see these two come together again, who are both powerful and influential in exposing the NWO.  Kevin also had Ron Paul on this past week, which was pretty good as well.

I am interested to see this.

[donnay]

Thanks for the heads up!  I will try to tune in.

[bluestealth2003]

     This should be a great interview.  I'm very interested to see what topics are discussed.

     luckee1, that blog was obvioulsy written by someone who is not a member so there isn't a lot of credibility there.  Find me blogs from acutal members.  I'm sure it will be quite a challenge to find a negative website or blog by someone who is a member.  The comment posted on the blog by a supposed member was from July when GIN had barely started.  There was hardly any content on the site at that time.  It is also interesting that there are no recent posts.  That means they either quit or won't admit that they were wrong about GIN. 

     I don't understand the argument that it is a scam because it doesn't have physical products.  Would it be more legitimate if they made hard copies of all of the videos and audios on the site and have people sell those instead?  I go back to the college example where thousands are paid for information/knowledge with no physical product received.  The knowledge gained is extremely valuable.  Elements of the material that is currently in GIN can be found on the internet, but the value is that you are made aware of the information and it is put together in one place.  It would take a vast amount of time, effort, and money to put together the same information (if you could even find it all). 

     I would like to know what the members you know think about GIN and if they consider it a scam.

[kenischange]

Hahaha, Kevin has a fan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YDnQyT4O7A

[luckee1]

Hahaha, Kevin has a fan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YDnQyT4O7A

Hilarious and great!  I am still laughing.

[bluestealth2003]

     Is this the best you can come up with?  Another non-member who pretends to know what GIN is?  A pyramid scheme is where no product is involved and the organization is distributing more money than it is taking in, which is not the case with GIN.  If the commission structure went down more than 5 or 6 levels then we would potentially have an issue.  Currently GIN doesn't pay out more than $400 on the $1,000 that it is taking in.  At higher levels this will change, but fewer people will be at that point so it will work fine.

     You never answered my question about the members you know.  Do they feel scammed with GIN or not?  Why don't you post something that is actually from a member instead of posting information from someone who has no experience with GIN?  I would also like an example of a MLM that Kevin was the head of that totally collapsed like you claim GIN will.  This is an honest question because I don't know of any.  I know he was involved in Amway and Monavie, but those are still operating.

     Did you catch the interview today?  I was hoping GIN would come up, but it didn't.  It is obvious that Alex thinks a lot of Kevin and vice versa. 

[DAVIDE MTL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA-sGfPLZEk

[nustada]

I like Alex Jones, he can be an idiot at times. But going on trudeaus show, and if alex does not tear trudeu apart, is crossing the line. If he goes on that show amiably, he permanantly lost me, and anyone I may have ever turned to him as listeners.

[changedname]

I have to disagree, KT was not the first.  Eustace Mullens definitely prior to him.  KT however was able to print digestable truth of it to the sheople and was able to get wide exposure of it. 

KT books are good.  "The __________ they don't want you to know about."  I highly recommend them.  The other stuff he is up to, however, I don't recommend. (MLMs, secret clubs, and etc.)

Use discernment, OK?

I think u may have misread what I said.. I did not say he was THE first but among the first!

[John Galt]

Did you catch the interview today?  I was hoping GIN would come up, but it didn't.  It is obvious that Alex thinks a lot of Kevin and vice versa.  

Did this interview actually happen? I can't seem to find any trace of it on Trudeau's site, or anywhere else for that matter. I'd certainly enjoy viewing/listening to the interview if available.

But honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding why Alex would once again mix himself up with the likes of Trudeau. Perhaps appearing as a guest on Trudeau's "radio" show couldn't cause too much harm to his credibility, so long as he didn't give any sanction to Trudeau's product-less GIN pyramid scheme. And further, since Trudeau has recently had Ron Paul and other credible guests on his show, perhaps Alex's decision to appear was a good one and that he effectively used the opportunity to promote his upcoming film.

Trudeau a Bilderberger? Trudeau an Illuminati member? GIN a legitimate opportunity for us little folk to get inside information and make money from it? ROTFLMAO! Good luck with that bluestealthbeam.

~jg

[bluestealth2003]

    To watch the interview, go to www.ktradionetwork.com and along the right side you will see the streaming video box.  Just click on that to play yesterday's show.  Later on today they will probably put today's show there and put yesterday's down below in the show archives.  Skip to around the 2 hour mark to hear Alex.

     Thanks for posting the Mark Dice video.  It seems he is skeptical but still unsure.  Kevin says he was in the Brotherhood, not the Illuminati.  I'm not sure if these two groups are related or not.

[iQon]

Trudeau was never in any brotherhood, illuminati or anything else. It was a made-up storyline for his pitch to portray himself as one "in the know" in order to sell the GIN scam, this much is obvious.

The whole point of GIN is to recruit new members for the exhorbitant fee and develop a downline chain. There is no unique product on offer so this is a classic pyramid scheme and would be illegal in most jurisdictions, which is why he's based the scam in Nevis where he is free to scam, rip people off, operate his criminal schemes etc with impunity.

Trudeau's anti-NWO position and cosying up to people like AJ and Ron Paul (more fool them) is part of the contrived effort to sell his new persona and new scam. Remember, everything that Trudeau's doing is classic modus operandum for a conman..this is how they operate.

[luckee1]

Welcome to the Prison, iQon!

After looking at this a bit closer, I suspect KT has taken a formula of pyramid and modified and expanded it:  Write really good books detailing a lot of outstanding information, then sell them infomercially therefore getting address and potential customer leads, then after a reasonable time for the target consumer to read the book send info, send the target consumer info on becoming an elite member of the populace for a greater amount of money.  That now being the start of the pyramid scheme.  It is brilliant if true.  His bonafides are established via the books, so he establishes a measure of trust.  The more benefit the target gleans from the book, the more ardent the supporter will be and to be more willing to spend the bigger money on the membership.  Damn!  That is f**king brilliant!

[iQon]

Welcome to the Prison, iQon!

After looking at this a bit closer, I suspect KT has taken a formula of pyramid and modified and expanded it:  Write really good books detailing a lot of outstanding information, then sell them infomercially therefore getting address and potential customer leads, then after a reasonable time for the target consumer to read the book send info, send the target consumer info on becoming an elite member of the populace for a greater amount of money.  That now being the start of the pyramid scheme.  It is brilliant if true.  His bonafides are established via the books, so he establishes a measure of trust.  The more benefit the target gleans from the book, the more ardent the supporter will be and to be more willing to spend the bigger money on the membership.  Damn!  That is f**king brilliant!

Thanks!

Haha, you have to admire the long con! (from a distance of course, it's different when one is the conned then the tendency is to deny it was a con at all)  

[johnnydeeper]

None of KT's books are his own original ideas. He simply repackages info and uses the Tv to market it as his own. This is the exact same thing he is doing with this GIN website except this time when he gets in trouble he is going to put a serious dent in AJ's credibility if AJ is not careful. Which by the way could be the purpose of the whole thing.

[nforcer]

      I know from past experience in my health and wallet that Kevin Trudeau is serious and I can trust him. If you search hard enough you will ALWAYS be able to find something negative about some one, thing, or group. Look at Jesus, he is perfect, yet the pharisees believed him to be evil by eating and talking to non Jews and filthy sinners. The way you can find out if its real or not is to try it yourself. Look at all the people leaving negative remarks about GIN. They are not members of GIN. They know nothing about GIN. All of the people claiming that GIN is a scam are not members of GIN. You want to ask about GIN from other members of GIN, like me.
     If you were to buy a used car, who would you ask to find out if its reliable or not? You will want to ask other owners of that car make and year. Ask other OWNERS. Don't listen to peoples opinions that have never purchased the vehicle. If you look on Epinions.com and you type in the make and model of the car you want you will find out information from other current and past owners of that car. If all of the owners and past owners say that the car is a lemon and to avoid it like the plague because it is a money pit there is a good chance that they are right. But if the people only give there opinion about the vehicle but have never driven or purchased the vehicle, then there claim has no mandate, validity, or authority because they were never owners.
     GIN and cars should be compared the same way. Ask other members if the $1000 initiation fee and $150 monthly dues is worth it or not, not non members.

Justin
GIN member
nforcer_87@yahoo.com
   

[NWOSCUM]

      I know from past experience in my health and wallet that Kevin Trudeau is serious and I can trust him. If you search hard enough you will ALWAYS be able to find something negative about some one, thing, or group. Look at Jesus, he is perfect, yet the pharisees believed him to be evil by eating and talking to non Jews and filthy sinners. The way you can find out if its real or not is to try it yourself. Look at all the people leaving negative remarks about GIN. They are not members of GIN. They know nothing about GIN. All of the people claiming that GIN is a scam are not members of GIN. You want to ask about GIN from other members of GIN, like me.
     If you were to buy a used car, who would you ask to find out if its reliable or not? You will want to ask other owners of that car make and year. Ask other OWNERS. Don't listen to peoples opinions that have never purchased the vehicle. If you look on Epinions.com and you type in the make and model of the car you want you will find out information from other current and past owners of that car. If all of the owners and past owners say that the car is a lemon and to avoid it like the plague because it is a money pit there is a good chance that they are right. But if the people only give there opinion about the vehicle but have never driven or purchased the vehicle, then there claim has no mandate, validity, or authority because they were never owners.
     GIN and cars should be compared the same way. Ask other members if the $1000 initiation fee and $150 monthly dues is worth it or not, not non members.

Justin
GIN member
nforcer_87@yahoo.com
   

LMFAO......Post scans of ALL of the checks you have received or I call stinky winky!!!

[militiagoat]

Have you seen the 20\20 expose? Take it for what it is from both sides:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms&NR=1

[Unintelligable Name]

LMFAO......Post scans of ALL of the checks you have received or I call stinky winky!!!

Pretty funny he joined the forum just to pitch that pyramid scheme.

[nustada]

Pretty funny he joined the forum just to pitch that pyramid scheme.

He probably IS keven trudeau.

[votewritein]

Just as good as when Alex interviewed Kevin 6 months ago...

http://deadlinelive.info/2009/10/27/jack-blood-interviews-kevin-trudeau-october-26-2009/

[Bad Slave]

Jack Blood interviewed Kevin Trudeau on Oct. 26, 2009.  A caller asked Kevin why the good elites with money do not spend more to fight the NWO in America.  Kevin states that it is a losing battle, so why waste the resources.  He equates being rich now in America to being a Jew in Germany in 1933.  The smart thing for the rich to do is to get the hell out now.  Jack Blood dropped the ball on this issue.  Kevin claims that fighting the Feds in America is a losing battle but that doesn't mean losing the war; however, Blood failed to follow up with questions concerning how Kevin expects to win the war if those with wealth and influence in America fall.  I wish AJ had been there to conduct this line of questioning.  Here is a link to the interview part where Kevin answers the caller's question after a commercial break:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mchA15Lmofk&feature=PlayList&p=0670FDEEE77A695C&index=7

In an earlier part of the interview, Kevin states that people like him will just jump on their jet plane when things get too bad and fly off to their safe havens.  Part of me thinks that Kevin believes that those dumb enough to get the flu shots and endure the police state, deserve what they get.

[NWOSCUM]

What was Kevin selling that day? I'm sure whatever he said was only to lure some unsuspecting saps into picking up the phone and giving their credit card number for some of the snake oil he was selling.   

[Monkeypox]

Fighting against the British Empire was a "losing battle", too.

[Bad Slave]

Fighting against the British Empire was a "losing battle", too.

I'm not sure if you had a chance to listen to the audio, but he gives the Revolutionary War as an example.  He states it is unlike the Revolutionary War, where we had a chance -- men with muskets were fighting men with muskets.  I think Kevin has bought into some of the elite thinking that people are too dumb and brainwashed to fight.  He is also being pragmatic and has studied history.  Earlier in the interview he stated that there was dissent in Germany in 1933 as well, but it did little good.  The question is, which is a better historical model for the situation we face in America today: colonial America 1775 or Germany 1933?

[Dig]

Kevin Trudeau and Playboy Playmates Tell You How to Suck Free Money from the Government
http://www.infomercial-hell.com/blog/2009/07/27/kevin-trudeau-and-playboy-playmates-tell-you-how-to-suck-free-money-from-the-government/
July 27th, 2009 Paul Lucas

Even with a busy schedule of fighting lawsuits and crashing Bilderberg meetings, Kevin Trudeau has found the time to create yet another infomercial. This one peddles his book Free Money “They” Don’t Want You to Know About, and it is an odd mixture of T&A, self-pity, paranoid loathing, and references to Matthew Lesko.

The infomercial disguises itself as a talk show called “Sara & Kara” hosted by two Playboy Playmates of the Year, Sara Underwood (who also appeared on Trudeau’s Hot Seat infomercial) and a woman she calls, “My very best friend,” Kara Monaco. Sara and Kara both wear short dresses, continuing the recent trend of gratuitous cleavage on infomercials. Any man would stop and stare at the exposed flesh of these two sexy Playmates.

But Kevin Trudeau doesn’t seem to notice it at all. I don’t doubt the man’s heterosexuality, but he is so absorbed by his own anger at having to fight the government in court that he spends much of this infomercial whining about it, even though it really doesn’t have a lot to do with the product he is selling. He complains that he was fined $37 million “because I used the word ‘easy’ when describing one of my books.”

This hostility affects how he describes the US federal government. Throughout the show, Trudeau excoriates politicians as corrupt liars, criminals, and rip-off artists. This leads to the biggest disconnect in this infomercial. Trudeau stokes hatred of politicians, yet he extols all the free government goodies citizens can get from those very same politicians. So what is their big crime? According to Trudeau the outrage is that “no citizens are informed that the programs exist.” Doesn’t that just make your blood boil? Me neither.

Trudeau claims he is taking no royalties or commissions from the sales of this book but is promoting it as a “public service.” So Trudeau is like the farmer ringing the dinner bell so that all the hogs know that their free slop is in the trough. “I should be given a medal by the Federal Trade Commission because I’m informing American citizens of what our government is doing. Instead they keep suing me.”

In this infomercial, Kevin Trudeau boldly goes where Matthew Lesko has gone years before. But instead of ignoring or belittling his predecessor, Trudeau calls him a “hero” and shows off several of Lesko’s books. So why is Trudeau wasting viewers’ time when Lesko has already put out all the relevant information? With a straight face, Trudeau tells us that his smaller book with fewer pages is better because it will take you less time to read it.

We get an example of the kind of useful info in this Free Money book when Sara Underwood tells us about her personal plight. She says she just bought three homes (!) and asks Kevin if his book has anything to help her pay her mortgages. Trudeau then details all the ways the government will subsidize her real estate. In this time of economic distress rest assured the government is helping needy Playboy Playmates stay in their three homes.

This clips gives a good flavor of what you’ll see on the Free Money infomercial:


And he has been caught stealing people's credit card numbers for his pyramid schemes.

Oh what fun!

[blackwater]

Thanks....  your avatar makes me a little nervous....

 

[bluestealth2003]

LMFAO......Post scans of ALL of the checks you have received or I call stinky winky!!!

I would post a picture of my $4,000 check but no one would believe it anyway 

[NWOSCUM]

I would post a picture of my $4,000 check but no one would believe it anyway 

Uh huh...............

[changedname]

I don't  know fully about Kevin but I do know that he has helped to open many eyes to the pharmaceutical scams and those in a truth movement should at least be thankful for that whatever u may think about him!

[DAVIDE MTL]

His natural cures book has alot of good information, GINN is a scam, he also stated in his book that he was in area 51 and saw a dead alien body.

[iQon]

I would post a picture of my $4,000 check but no one would believe it anyway 

The fact that you may have made some money out of the scam...does not mean it's not a scam, but that you are part of it. Some people generally do make some money in pyramid schemes and the entire purpose of the GIN scam is to recruit a downline and pocket a percentage of their fees, and so on and on.

No-one has said that there's no rip-off cash to be made from this, only that there is no unique product, Trudeau does not have any information that he did not read on infowars or rense, and that this scam is a classic pyramid scheme.

At some stage in all pyramid schemes (probably sooner rather than later for this stupid scam) there will not be enough new recruits to pay the commissions and most people will be left out of pocket with worthless GIN membership - and Trudeau safe in a legal black spot known as Nevis.

So, congratulations for being a scamming rip-off merchant like Trudeau and making money in his pyramid scheme? We'll see if you proudly post proof and claim those accolades.

[ekimdrachir]

I have to say that I think people have to do quite a bit to succeed, and if effort is worth anything, Kevin certainly has survived. I know people who dont like him, but ive always felt I could trust him, and that I understood where he was coming from. When I heard Kevin on the phone from Bilderberg on Alexs show I thought wow I cant believe hes speaking out against the people he sits on cruises with.

It really does prove though, that the elites think so lowly of us that they really believe they will win.

[bluestealth2003]

The fact that you may have made some money out of the scam...does not mean it's not a scam, but that you are part of it. Some people generally do make some money in pyramid schemes and the entire purpose of the GIN scam is to recruit a downline and pocket a percentage of their fees, and so on and on.

No-one has said that there's no rip-off cash to be made from this, only that there is no unique product, Trudeau does not have any information that he did not read on infowars or rense, and that this scam is a classic pyramid scheme.

At some stage in all pyramid schemes (probably sooner rather than later for this stupid scam) there will not be enough new recruits to pay the commissions and most people will be left out of pocket with worthless GIN membership - and Trudeau safe in a legal black spot known as Nevis.

So, congratulations for being a scamming rip-off merchant like Trudeau and making money in his pyramid scheme? We'll see if you proudly post proof and claim those accolades.

I don’t know why I even respond to morons like you.  Without exception every idiot on here that says GIN is such a scam knows next to nothing about GIN and is not a member.  Every time I post something positive on here about GIN I’m attacked because those on here don’t ever want to admit they were wrong all along.  Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Gerald Celente, and many others get it and know Kevin and the products he offers are legit.  Please never apply for a GIN membership because we don’t want losers like you.