KT got some odd ideas

[RonPaulRocks]

no. the problem is that no matter what I say it's not going to change anything.

Yes because I have listened to his show and read his books and there is nothing there to lead me to believe that he is not a patriot.  All I see is the Government attacking a man who is telling the truth.  He is on our side, I wish you could see that.

[donnay]

No one had any problem with him selling his books. But Trudeau, compulsive liar and buffoon that he is, could not resist completely misrepresenting his books in an infomercial..after specifically agreeing not to do this in court...ergo the contempt of court charge.

Are you saying this did not happen? The msm made this up? Maybe they made up the fact that Trudeau appealed against the contempt charge and lost..and the case was referred back to the lower court for an explanation of the penalties, which was why Trudeau had to attend court this time..maybe this whole topic, including your replies, is an invention of the msm.

The fact is that Trudeau, a lifelong conman and scammer, is being held accountable for a tiny portion of his dishonest scamming, and he is trying every little dishonest trick he knows to avoid this. Also, his whole current persona is crafted to portray himself as one who has inside info so people will buy into his latest scam GIN..this is his modus operandi for the radio shows and other appearances..remember, he's been doing this his whole life so it's no wonder that he's good at it, he knows nothing else.

Just how did he misrepresent his book?  You all give vague generalities but you never quote exactly what he misrepresented.  

I am not interested on what things he did 25 years ago...everyone is entitled to a second chance in my book.  So please stop bringing up the credit card scam to try and make your arguments seem solid.

[blacklegend]

Just how did he misrepresent his book?  You all give vague generalities but you never quote exactly what he misrepresented.  

I am not interested on what things he did 25 years ago...everyone is entitled to a second chance in my book.  So please stop bringing up the credit card scam to try and make your arguments seem solid.

This article sets it out adequately:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/consuminginterests/blog/2008/10/the_3year_ftc_ban_that_kevin_t.html

to quote,

"Some of the "undeniably false" statements that the judge said Trudeau made:

*the diet protocol could not be done "easily" and "at home," because the protocol described in Trudeau's book requires colonics, which must be done at the office of a licensed practitioner, as well as injection of human growth hormone;

*dieters could not "complete" or "finish" Trudeau's four-phase program, because Trudeau's book states that "Phase 4 is for the rest of your life";

*dieters could not eat "anything" they want, because Trudeau's book prescribes that dieters following Phase 4 must eat "only 100% organic food," and no "brand name" food, "fast food," or "food served by regional or national chain restaurants"; and

*the diet protocol did not require "no exercise," because Trudeau's book states that three of the diet's four phases, including Phase 4, require walking one hour outside every day."

The stupidity of Trudeau is that none of these misrepresentations were necessary according to certain posters on this thread because the plan works, so why not be honest about it? I suppose compulsive liars do as compulsive liars are..

I didn't bring up the credit card fraud, but the point is valid because nothing has changed, people who bought the Natural Cures book had to cancel their credit cards because Trudeau would not stop debiting for unwanted extra material (freely found on the web as are all of trudeau's "solutions").

And now, the crowning piece de resistance of Trudeau's career of rip-offs, scams and cons is the latest and current swindle, GIN, a classic pyramid scheme where there is no product only a chain of dupes whose only chance of recouping their losses is to dupe and con someone else..your boy makes ya proud don't he?

[blacklegend]

Global Network Information

http://www.gincon.com/

I guess he can argue in court now, "I told them it was a con, it's in the name!"

haha that's funny, but you've gotta admit that the music's funky..

GIN's hilarious, in the T&C it says members are not allowed to sue him for any reason..Oohhhh but Trudeau's a good guy and only wants the best for you...

[donnay]

This article sets it out adequately:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/business/consuminginterests/blog/2008/10/the_3year_ftc_ban_that_kevin_t.html

to quote,

"Some of the "undeniably false" statements that the judge said Trudeau made:

*the diet protocol could not be done "easily" and "at home," because the protocol described in Trudeau's book requires colonics, which must be done at the office of a licensed practitioner, as well as injection of human growth hormone;

*dieters could not "complete" or "finish" Trudeau's four-phase program, because Trudeau's book states that "Phase 4 is for the rest of your life";

*dieters could not eat "anything" they want, because Trudeau's book prescribes that dieters following Phase 4 must eat "only 100% organic food," and no "brand name" food, "fast food," or "food served by regional or national chain restaurants"; and

*the diet protocol did not require "no exercise," because Trudeau's book states that three of the diet's four phases, including Phase 4, require walking one hour outside every day."

The stupidity of Trudeau is that none of these misrepresentations were necessary according to certain posters on this thread because the plan works, so why not be honest about it? I suppose compulsive liars do as compulsive liars are..

I didn't bring up the credit card fraud, but the point is valid because nothing has changed, people who bought the Natural Cures book had to cancel their credit cards because Trudeau would not stop debiting for unwanted extra material (freely found on the web as are all of trudeau's "solutions".

And now, the crowning piece de resistance of Trudeau's career of rip-offs, scams and cons is the latest and current swindle, GIN, a classic pyramid scheme where there is no product only a chain of dupes whose only chance of recouping their losses is to dupe and con someone else..your boy makes ya proud don't he?

All of this is based on a choice; you can choose to buy his book and you can choose to follow the protocol.  Personal responsibility is up to each and every one of us.  He has a disclaimer in all his books.  And there is a Latin phrase: Caveat emptor which means "Let the buyer beware".

I bought the Atkins diet book which tells me it okay to use Splenda (which government approves) in my food--upon further research, I know, splenda is a poison just like aspartame (which the FDA approved) but Atkins also recommends Stevia which appears to be safe but government says it isn't.

Also, too much purines from protein (which is what the Atkins diet revolves around) can hurt some people prone to gout--does that mean that anyone who follows the Atkins protocol may sue them if they get severe cases of gouty arthritis?

How about we take false claims a step further--What about all the pharmaceutical adds that are protected by the FDA.  For example: Prilosec which is said to get rid of acid reflux...caused by too much acid in the stomach that rushes up the esophagus.  The fact is most people could do the exact same thing by taking a tablespoon of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother--which neutralizes the acid and helps bring up your ph.  Trudeau's book brought this to the spot light.

The difference is:  Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother 16 oz. cost $3.99 and Prilosec 12 tablets cost $21.20

Side effects: 

Apple Cider Vinegar - None 

Prilosec - Diarrhea; headache.  Severe side effects: rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness; chest pain; dark urine; fast or irregular heartbeat; fever, chills, or sore throat; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; swelling of the hands, ankles, or feet; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual tiredness; vision changes; yellowing of the eyes or skin.

Now I submit to you, would I rather follow Kevin Trudeau's protocol to relieve my acid reflux or AstraZeneca's Prilosec?

Most of Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures are just that, "NATURAL" and again it is up to you, the individual, to choose whether you want to take his advice or whether you'd rather not. 

What Trudeau writes in his book is definitely a first amendment issue--that is being censored by government.

[RonPaulRocks]

All of this is based on a choice; you can choose to buy his book and you can choose to follow the protocol.  Personal responsibility is up to each and every one of us.  He has a disclaimer in all his books.  And there is a Latin phrase: Caveat emptor which means "Let the buyer beware".

I bought the Atkins diet book which tells me it okay to use Splenda (which government approves) in my food--upon further research, I know, splenda is a poison just like aspartame (which the FDA approved) but Atkins also recommends Stevia which appears to be safe but government says it isn't.

Also, too much purines from protein (which is what the Atkins diet revolves around) can hurt some people prone to gout--does that mean that anyone who follows the Atkins protocol may sue them if they get severe cases of gouty arthritis?

How about we take false claims a step further--What about all the pharmaceutical adds that are protected by the FDA.  For example: Prilosec which is said to get rid of acid reflux...caused by too much acid in the stomach that rushes up the esophagus.  The fact is most people could do the exact same thing by taking a tablespoon of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother--which neutralizes the acid and helps bring up your ph.  Trudeau's book brought this to the spot light.

The difference is:  Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother 16 oz. cost $3.99 and Prilosec 12 tablets cost $21.20

Side effects: 

Apple Cider Vinegar - None 

Prilosec - Diarrhea; headache.  Severe side effects: rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness; chest pain; dark urine; fast or irregular heartbeat; fever, chills, or sore throat; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; swelling of the hands, ankles, or feet; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual tiredness; vision changes; yellowing of the eyes or skin.

Now I submit to you, would I rather follow Kevin Trudeau's protocol to relieve my acid reflux or AstraZeneca's Prilosec?

Most of Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures are just that, "NATURAL" and again it is up to you, the individual, to choose whether you want to take his advice or whether you'd rather not. 

What Trudeau writes in his book is definitely a first amendment issue--that is being censored by government.

You are bang on.  And I will add that Kevin Trudeau came out himself and told everyone he is sorry for selling the Atkins diet.  He learns as he goes like everyone.  He was fooled.  The Atkins diet has some good points but its not right.  The Simeons protocol from years ago works best.  Boy does it ever work.  They really want to suppress that.  But personally I think a guy who has had a weight problem in the past and is the picture of health now, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE KNOWS!  When he stumbled upon the Simeon protocol he sparked a new wave of people losing weight and keeping it off.  HCG is a miracle hormone and its being suppressed and slandered by Government sources for no good reason.

Look at videos from the mid 90's of Kevin and look at him now.  He lost a lot of weight.  He struggled his whole life with weight as I have.  Hardly anyone would know anything about HCG and Simeon if he hadn't wrote his book now it has exploded.  The guy preaches organic food.  He makes nothing if you buy organic food but thats all he talks about lately.  He is right.

Especially in the last few years GMO foods are becoming increasingly deadly.  Look at a class picture at any given school in your area and I'll bet 75%+ of the kids are fat.  There is a reason for that.  Kevin is exposing this and the Government don't like it.

He has made mistakes in his life but his body of work is good.  He is also very good at making money there is nothing wrong with that.  And I will also have you know that people that are GIN members are very happy with it.  I'm not a member but if you can afford it there is no reason why I wouldn't join it. 

[RonPaulRocks]

I really hope you all listen to his show on Tuesday.  He will be LIVE the day before court.  Kevin is a fighter and I expect a helluva show.  I look forward to his show.  I wish it was 5 days a week but he is still only Tuesday and Wednesday for now.

Alex PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE if you read this HAVE KEVIN TRUDEAU on!

[psy0ps]

Do you know how sick and tired I am of coming on this board and reading people being labeled as trolls and cointelpro because their opinion doesnt fit yours?
IM f**kING SICK OF IT !
It makes you look so god damn stupid. So do yourself a favor and stop this bullshit right now.
Oh, and f**k Kevin Trudeau too.

[RonPaulRocks]

Do you know how sick and tired I am of coming on this board and reading people being labeled as trolls and cointelpro because their opinion doesnt fit yours?
IM f**kING SICK OF IT !
It makes you look so god damn stupid. So do yourself a favor and stop this bullshit right now.
Oh, and f**k Kevin Trudeau too.

Who the hell are you?  I'm F**King sick of you already, how rude.  If you got something constructive to add then do it if not please keep your kind comments to yourself jerk off.

[Volitzar]

Look if Kevin was a fraud why would Alex have him on ?

Okay he lied on an application to get more credit at a young age.  When you compare that to stuff like the government letting aspartame and sucralose on the market and allowing cities to fluoridate their water supply along with the HPV that they are injecting into young women along with all the harmful pharmaceuticals that get put on the market like phen-fen was in the 1990s.  Kevin doesn't seem like that bad of a guy.  Nobody is perfect, even Alex Jones had run ins with the law and wasn't Jesus Christ rail-roaded by the government at one point too ??

[RonPaulRocks]

Look if Kevin was a fraud why would Alex have him on ?

Okay he lied on an application to get more credit at a young age.  When you compare that to stuff like the government letting aspartame and sucralose on the market and allowing cities to fluoridate their water supply along with the HPV that they are injecting into young women along with all the harmful pharmaceuticals that get put on the market like phen-fen was in the 1990s.  Kevin doesn't seem like that bad of a guy.  Nobody is perfect, even Alex Jones had run ins with the law and wasn't Jesus Christ rail-roaded by the government at one point too ??

Good point.  Kevin Trudeau may have commited credit card fraud over 20 years ago but compared to Big Government, big pharma, big agri he is an angel.  Trudeau sparked a whole revolution in weight loss with his book but it cost him dearly.  Now homeopathic HCG is getting big because it seems to work as well as injections.  The man brought a huge breakthrough to the mainstream.  He has changed many lives for the better.  Nobody is perfect.  He may have his faults but he is someone worth standing up for.  Its just too bad the mainstream media along with many parrots continue to bash him and have turned some people off of him before they ever get to know him.  No matter he has done so much for the world already.  He is one of my heroes and will continue to be no matter how this matter turns out in court.  Thank you Kevin Trudeau.

[blacklegend]

All of this is based on a choice; you can choose to buy his book and you can choose to follow the protocol.  Personal responsibility is up to each and every one of us.  He has a disclaimer in all his books.  And there is a Latin phrase: Caveat emptor which means "Let the buyer beware".

I bought the Atkins diet book which tells me it okay to use Splenda (which government approves) in my food--upon further research, I know, splenda is a poison just like aspartame (which the FDA approved) but Atkins also recommends Stevia which appears to be safe but government says it isn't.

Also, too much purines from protein (which is what the Atkins diet revolves around) can hurt some people prone to gout--does that mean that anyone who follows the Atkins protocol may sue them if they get severe cases of gouty arthritis?

How about we take false claims a step further--What about all the pharmaceutical adds that are protected by the FDA.  For example: Prilosec which is said to get rid of acid reflux...caused by too much acid in the stomach that rushes up the esophagus.  The fact is most people could do the exact same thing by taking a tablespoon of Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother--which neutralizes the acid and helps bring up your ph.  Trudeau's book brought this to the spot light.

The difference is:  Organic Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother 16 oz. cost $3.99 and Prilosec 12 tablets cost $21.20

Side effects: 

Apple Cider Vinegar - None 

Prilosec - Diarrhea; headache.  Severe side effects: rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness; chest pain; dark urine; fast or irregular heartbeat; fever, chills, or sore throat; red, swollen, blistered, or peeling skin; swelling of the hands, ankles, or feet; unusual bruising or bleeding; unusual tiredness; vision changes; yellowing of the eyes or skin.

Now I submit to you, would I rather follow Kevin Trudeau's protocol to relieve my acid reflux or AstraZeneca's Prilosec?

Most of Kevin Trudeau's Natural Cures are just that, "NATURAL" and again it is up to you, the individual, to choose whether you want to take his advice or whether you'd rather not. 

What Trudeau writes in his book is definitely a first amendment issue--that is being censored by government.

No, NO ONE is censoring Trudeaus's books. NO ONE has EVER censored them.

Trudeau is free to write whatever crap he likes..indeed, it is because books are protected by the 1st amendment that Trudeau started selling them.

You are willfully missing the point and continuing to inapplicably conflate this issue with genuine freedom of speech issues.

So let's clarify

Trudeau blatantly misrepresented his book in an infomercial on TV. This is fraudulent and misselling.

Trudeau then continued to misrepresent his book after signing an agreement in court that he would not do so. This is contempt of court. Btw, this agreement was at Trudeau's behest to avoid further charges and a larger fine..

So it's fine if people want to rave about Trudeau's books, but to whine and complain about him facing the consequences of his illegal activity is inexplicable. Tell me, does writing a decent (in your view) book absolve someone of their crimes both past and future??

Also, you haven't commented on GIN..I suppose you think that's all gooood and above board too?

Some people around here seem to want Trudeau back on the AJ show..well they obviously love being duped and lied to..because that is what Trudeau did continuously on his last appearances and would surely do again. But again, some people lurrve being duped and for that, Trudeau is definitely your guy, so enjoy!

[donnay]

No, NO ONE is censoring Trudeaus's books. NO ONE has EVER censored them.

Trudeau is free to write whatever crap he likes..indeed, it is because books are protected by the 1st amendment that Trudeau started selling them.

You are willfully missing the point and continuing to inapplicably conflate this issue with genuine freedom of speech issues.

So let's clarify

Trudeau blatantly misrepresented his book in an infomercial on TV. This is fraudulent and misselling.

Trudeau then continued to misrepresent his book after signing an agreement in court that he would not do so. This is contempt of court. Btw, this agreement was at Trudeau's behest to avoid further charges and a larger fine..

So it's fine if people want to rave about Trudeau's books, but to whine and complain about him facing the consequences of his illegal activity is inexplicable. Tell me, does writing a decent (in your view) book absolve someone of their crimes both past and future??

Also, you haven't commented on GIN..I suppose you think that's all gooood and above board too?

Some people around here seem to want Trudeau back on the AJ show..well they obviously love being duped and lied to..because that is what Trudeau did continuously on his last appearances and would surely do again. But again, some people lurrve being duped and for that, Trudeau is definitely your guy, so enjoy!

You keep on citing things as if you were talking about an uncorrupted justice system.  A justice system that is suppose to be bound by the constitution--in every capacity.  

What we are witnessing with the railroading of Kevin Trudeau is a system which selective enforces it's unconstitutional laws and ignores the constitution as a whole.

There are plenty of books out there that the buyer should be very aware of, however, by the same token, I am not looking to hunt down those authors for misrepresenting or misleading the reader.  If people cannot discern for themselves then so be it.  Again, I don't need Uncle Shame to step in and tell me what is good for me.  

How about the infomercial with the guy who has question marks all over his suit jacket (Matthew Lesko), he talks about getting thousands of dollars of 'free money' from the federal government--and his plan is as easy as filling out a job application...how come he is not being racked across the coals by the same standards that are being applied to Trudeau?  His ads are misleading and most of the programs are simply welfare programs.  But if people want to buy his book, I have no problem with the man selling his book to those who think at the end of a rainbow stands a pot of gold--fools gold, that is.





I have no comment on his GIN program because I am not a member nor do I plan on being one.  If people have $1500.00 to stake, for his membership, I say more power to them! God Bless!

If everyone is going to play by the rules...the rules have got to be the same across the board, but we know they are not.

[RonPaulRocks]

You keep on citing things as if you were talking about an uncorrupted justice system.  A justice system that is suppose to be bound by the constitution--in every capacity.  

What we are witnessing with the railroading of Kevin Trudeau is a system which selective enforces it's unconstitutional laws and ignores the constitution as a whole.

There are plenty of books out there that the buyer should be very aware of, however, by the same token, I am not looking to hunt down those authors for misrepresenting or misleading the reader.  If people cannot discern for themselves then so be it.  Again, I don't need Uncle Shame to step in and tell me what is good for me.  

How about the infomercial with the guy who has question marks all over his suit jacket (Matthew Lesko), he talks about getting thousands of dollars of 'free money' from the federal government--and his plan is as easy as filling out a job application...how come he is not being racked across the coals by the same standards that are being applied to Trudeau?  His ads are misleading and most of the programs are simply welfare programs.  But if people want to buy his book, I have no problem with the man selling his book to those who think at the end of a rainbow stands a pot of gold--fools gold, that is.





I have no comment on his GIN program because I am not a member nor do I plan on being one.  If people have $1500.00 to stake, for his membership, I say more power to them! God Bless!

If everyone is going to play by the rules...the rules have got to be the same across the board, but we know they are not.

The rules are always going to lean towards hurting someone who puts out natural health information.  If he was selling Girls Gone Wild or some other useless crap they'd leave him alone.

[RonPaulRocks]

I wonder if Alex will have Kevin Trudeau as a guest soon, at least so he can tell his story to all the infowarriors.  That damn Judge Gettleman better not even think about putting Kevin in jail for this.

[RonPaulRocks]

The rules are always going to lean towards hurting someone who puts out natural health information.  If he was selling Girls Gone Wild or some other useless crap they'd leave him alone.

No way, we can't have anyone telling people how to stay healthy, take him down!

[RonPaulRocks]

No way, we can't have anyone telling people how to stay healthy, take him down!

When you're over the target you get the flack.  Thats the most simple way of saying what is happening to Kevin Trudeau right now.

[William Rausch]

donnay:

You ask why noone's raking Matthew Lesko over the coals?

They are!

Matthew Lesko has long ago been exposed as simply reprinting US government literature (available for free) and selling it for top dollar.  That being the case, he might be defended as providing a valuable service by publishing a compendium (or anthology?) of free government literature which many people might not be able to discover on their own, but, then, why did the New York Times (OK, not my favorite newspaper (nor yours)) accuse Lesko of claiming he was currently a columnist for the Times long after this relationship had ended?

Lesko seems to me to be, if not a con artist, a very slippery character.

The actual reason I'm posting this here is because I just saw an ad for an (apparently) new product by Kevin Trudeau that appears to be a total ripoff of Matthew Lesko's total ripoff!  It's even called "Free Money"!

Check out the website:

https://www.kevinsfreemoney.com/ver1/index.asp

[37]

Ooooohh...I wouldn't go to that site, Kevin Trudeau will force you to buy a book.  

Who has Trudeau ever ripped off?  If you wanted a diet book by someone who isn't a nutritionist...that's what he sent you.

The government doesn't like Trudeau because they get more tax money when the middle man is involved.  The publisher pays tax when they sell the book wholesale.  The distributor pays tax when they sell the product marked up.  Trudeau just sells the product once at a low price...basically screwing the government out of it's true cut on most books.  Not to mention that this way of doing business eliminates corporate control over the print media.

But, you guys are right.  The guy is a complete douchebag.  Jeez, the balls...selling books he wrote.  

Once again I'm going to point out that it wasn't a bunch of pissed off Trudeau customers who flooded this Judge's e-mail.

[donnay]

donnay:

You ask why noone's raking Matthew Lesko over the coals?

They are!

Matthew Lesko has long ago been exposed as simply reprinting US government literature (available for free) and selling it for top dollar.  That being the case, he might be defended as providing a valuable service by publishing a compendium (or anthology?) of free government literature which many people might not be able to discover on their own, but, then, why did the New York Times (OK, not my favorite newspaper (nor yours)) accuse Lesko of claiming he was currently a columnist for the Times long after this relationship had ended?

Lesko seems to me to be, if not a con artist, a very slippery character.

The actual reason I'm posting this here is because I just saw an ad for an (apparently) new product by Kevin Trudeau that appears to be a total ripoff of Matthew Lesko's total ripoff!  It's even called "Free Money"!

Check out the website:

https://www.kevinsfreemoney.com/ver1/index.asp

William,

I understand what you are saying my only point in bringing up Lasko is to say that the same rules (unconstitutional as they are) are not being applied. Selective enforcement is how these cats operate.  When you go up against the establishment, they come back with a vengeance and make these people examples of how not to screw with them and to try and scare people.

An even bigger example of people thrown in jail for simply writing a book that goes against the establishment is Irwin Schiff:  Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes.  

[Damascus]

I would just like to say selective enforcement. Good day.

[nustada]

William,

I understand what you are saying my only point in bringing up Lasko is to say that the same rules (unconstitutional as they are) are not being applied. Selective enforcement is how these cats operate.  When you go up against the establishment, they come back with a vengeance and make these people examples of how not to screw with them and to try and scare people.

An even bigger example of people thrown in jail for simply writing a book that goes against the establishment is Irwin Schiff:  Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes.  

Also charging people more than the advertised price without signing any additional agreements is also not legal. Which is how KT roles.

I am betting that is the difference between KT and the Lasko character.

[donnay]

Also charging people more than the advertised price without signing any additional agreements is also not legal. Which is how KT roles.

I am betting that is the difference between KT and the Lasko character.

I am not following...care to elaborate?

[nustada]

I am not following...care to elaborate?

I really shouldnt need to. I will speak baby to you. Someone says you pay, you agree and pay. The payment should be in line with the agreement.

People who buy stuff from KT get charged more than they agree to and KT will not take back his product after fraud has been realized.

Lasko will charge a an agreed on amount, you pay and its done. If you think his book is crap, you return it and he pays you back.

Big difference.

[donnay]

I really shouldnt need to. I will speak baby to you. Someone says you pay, you agree and pay. The payment should be in line with the agreement.

People who buy stuff from KT get charged more than they agree to and KT will not take back his product after fraud has been realized.

Lasko will charge a an agreed on amount, you pay and its done. If you think his book is crap, you return it and he pays you back.

Big difference.

Not according to this website:  http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/leskoscam.php

Lesko presents names, addresses, phone numbers and descriptions of government and private agency grant and assistance programs and for this reason, many say he is not actually scamming people, just exaggerating the value of his books. But gross exaggerations and misleading advertisements meet our definition of a scam; and that is what Lesko does.

   1. The information he sells is publicly available from many of sources, for free; such as the phone book and Google.
   2. Much, if not the vast majority, of the programs in the book don't apply to the average citizen. Many are government programs that you already know about and are not eligible for, like Medicare and Medicaid.
   3. The government has declared him a fraud: The New York Consumer Board recently said, “The author of ‘Free Money to Pay Your Bills’ admits there is no money to pay your bills.” Lesko’s latest claim is that the government has $350 billion hidden that people can use to pay off their debts. The state of New York has come out and said Lesko’s claims are not true. Clark wants you to save your money, not spend it on a book that is not true.
   4. The Better Business Bureau for the Washington-area gave Lesko's company an unsatisfactory rating. The BBB had received 85 complaints about Lesko books in the past 36 months. The BBB wrote a warning to consumers about Lesko's sales pitches in 2002, which still appears on the BBB's Web site. See this page for the current status of lesko's company with the BBB.
   5. Lesko will sell your email address and other information he gathers from you - And that means you will soon be receiving spams and scams:   For example, in July of 2003, the Federal Trade Commission settled deceptive practices charges against an Oregon firm, Grant Search Inc. and a related firm, Grant PAC.  Grant Search and Grant PAC had purchased Lesko’s customer lists from the list broker Nextmark, according to Nextmark's Web site. The FTC said that the defendants operated a "grant-matching business in which they falsely represented that consumers easily could obtain grants from charitable foundations for virtually any reason.”  According to MSNBC,  Lesko claims it's a common business practice to sell or rent customer lists.
   6. Refunds - They're difficult to obtain. Anecdotal evidence on web forums indicates that you'll probably have little success of obtaining an RNA on your own and will need to involve the BBB to get a refund. According to the Washington, DC area Better Business Bureau: "The complaint allegations filed by consumers primarily concern delivery issues, refund practices and in some cases the quality of the product."  When the BBB gets involved, Lesko refunds the money.


I take it, you, personally, ordered a book and got charge extra by Trudeau's handlers?  Because it does sound like you have a dog in this fight.

And just to make clear the government says that Lasko is a fraud but they are not going after him...just wanted to make sure that point is drove home crystal clear, how they selectively enforce their laws.

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I really shouldnt need to. I will speak baby to you. Someone says you pay, you agree and pay. The payment should be in line with the agreement.

People who buy stuff from KT get charged more than they agree to and KT will not take back his product after fraud has been realized.

Lasko will charge a an agreed on amount, you pay and its done. If you think his book is crap, you return it and he pays you back.

Big difference.

Stephen King's last book didn't scare me.

Moby Dick, IMO, is not a "classic".

Can I get my money back?

[nustada]

Stephen King's last book didn't scare me.

Moby Dick, IMO, is not a "classic".

Can I get my money back?

They didn't make any claims, and they didn't charge more than you agreed to.

Most kids learn to stop comparing apples to oranges when they are six or seven years old.

[donnay]

They didn't make any claims, and they didn't charge more than you agreed to.

Most kids learn to stop comparing apples to oranges when they are six or seven years old.

So why are you in this thread comparing?

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Still not getting your point.

You bought a book you didn't like.  You bought it cheap from an infomercial.  

You think people got their money back because their chiapet grew in uneven?


Fact of the matter, which you continue to ignore, is that a lot of people were completely satisfied with Trudeau's products. 

If it worked for them, then why should he refund the idiot who couldn't manage to reproduce the same results?

[nustada]

Still not getting your point.

You bought a book you didn't like.  You bought it cheap from an infomercial.  

You think people got their money back because their chiapet grew in uneven?


Fact of the matter, which you continue to ignore, is that a lot of people were completely satisfied with Trudeau's products. 

If it worked for them, then why should he refund the idiot who couldn't manage to reproduce the same results?

Your ignoring a vastly greater number of people completely pissed off at him,  because he charges your card more than what is stated.

Again are you anal retentive? You are comparing apples to oranges. Trying to reason with you is like speaking to a four year old.

Just because you are too stupid to understand a concept of fraud doesn't mean you are right. You are probably among those who look for ways to stop paying your debts and keep your assets aren't you.

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vastly greater number of people completely pissed off at him

Conjecture?  I guess you have numbers to substantiate this assertion...

[nustada]

Conjecture?  I guess you have numbers to substantiate this assertion...

Your are one lazy son of a bitch. Simply type, "review kevin trudou" in you favorite search engine. That should convince you beyond what people who have personal experience of people on this forumn dealing with this SOB.

[nustada]

So why are you in this thread comparing?

Are your annalitical skills so laking? Two books, both take information from other sources that are readily available and professionally done, then compile in a half assed way mixed in with outrageous lies. One charges what they say, the other charges more.

Only a retard like you would think a chia pet is in the same general category as what is stated above.

[RonPaulRocks]

Tomorrow Kevin Trudeau will be live on his show.  I can't wait to hear what he is going to say.  I pray he doesn't go to jail. This corrupt justice system wants to shut him up because he is waking up so many people on how to be healthy. 

[donnay]

Are your annalitical skills so laking? Two books, both take information from other sources that are readily available and professionally done, then compile in a half assed way mixed in with outrageous lies. One charges what they say, the other charges more.

Only a retard like you would think a chia pet is in the same general category as what is stated above.

My analytical skills aren't lacking, it must be your [mis]interpretation of the English language.  Oh, and you really should brush up on your spelling skills there brain trust.  

[nustada]

My analytical skills aren't lacking, it must be your [mis]interpretation of the English language.  Oh, and you really should brush up on your spelling skills there brain trust.  

So just because I don't bother perfecting my second language for a dipshit, that means you should give your money to a lying conman, who prays on old senile women. Makes sense.

[donnay]

My analytical skills aren't lacking, it must be your [mis]interpretation of the English language.  Oh, and you really should brush up on your spelling skills there brain trust. 

[37]

Your are one lazy son of a bitch. Simply type, "review kevin trudou" in you favorite search engine. That should convince you beyond what people who have personal experience of people on this forumn dealing with this SOB.

I'm not the one with something to prove, dumbass.  You're the only lazy SOB on this thread.  I read the article where people shut down a Judge's e-mail.  I can google "alex jones scam artist" and get a lot of goddamn returns too. 

You want to side with the federal government and the MSM, go ahead.  But, it's books.  I mean, unless you got a book with blank pages, you didn't get screwed, retard.

[nustada]

I'm not the one with something to prove, dumbass.  You're the only lazy SOB on this thread.  I read the article where people shut down a Judge's e-mail.  I can google "alex jones scam artist" and get a lot of goddamn returns too. 

You want to side with the federal government and the MSM, go ahead.  But, it's books.  I mean, unless you got a book with blank pages, you didn't get screwed, retard.

I am talking about product review. The difference is you don't have to type scam after KT, because KT and scam are two words for the same definition. If you simply type review AJ, then you will get a mix bag of results with reletively few complaints.

So you think if someone charges your credit card more than you agreed to, as long as the contents you receive were completely empty it isn't a scam. Jee golly I musn be redarded.

[RonPaulRocks]

This the link to Kevin's last show.  It is powerful.  I really hope and pray that Judge Gettleman does not send KT to jail.  He does not deserve it.  He is being railroaded. 

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4775180