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« on: April 25, 2010, 08:21:36 PM »

Alan Watt on the US Constitution and the Founding Fathers

Ancient Religions /History CD2 Pt 7 @33mins

Jackie Patru
: I have one more question to ask you and then i'm gonna be quiet for the whole rest of the time, if you believe that, umm ...because this is important to me, for our listeners.

You and i had a conversation one night and you did say this on the air when i was saying how tough it was for me to give up, if you would, George Washington as a totally honest, you know, doing everything he was doing for the good and you said "We just to have to understand and accept that every hero that we've ever had they gave us", and that brings us to our Constitution.

Because you see Alan, when people find out that our Founders were part of this, you know, being part of Freemasonry, the Illuminati, Benjamin Franklin ...

These are people who sat in and drafted our Constitution and i stand by the Constitution and so when we had that conversation my question to you was "Are you saying that they fooled us?" and you said "No, because the document itself is a very workable document, except they're not following it" but you explained that they did it cause they had to give the people something, something that they were going to accept and it was good but that they knew the people would throw it away at the first crisis.

And i wanted our listeners ... and i said all this which you said, did i say this right?

Alan Watt: Yep Yep, pretty well that's it.
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 08:24:32 AM »

Alan Watt on the US Constitution and the Founding Fathers

Ancient Religions /History CD2 Pt 7 @33mins

Jackie Patru
: I have one more question to ask you and then i'm gonna be quiet for the whole rest of the time, if you believe that, umm ...because this is important to me, for our listeners.

You and i had a conversation one night and you did say this on the air when i was saying how tough it was for me to give up, if you would, George Washington as a totally honest, you know, doing everything he was doing for the good and you said "We just to have to understand and accept that every hero that we've ever had they gave us", and that brings us to our Constitution.

Because you see Alan, when people find out that our Founders were part of this, you know, being part of Freemasonry, the Illuminati, Benjamin Franklin ...

These are people who sat in and drafted our Constitution and i stand by the Constitution and so when we had that conversation my question to you was "Are you saying that they fooled us?" and you said "No, because the document itself is a very workable document, except they're not following it" but you explained that they did it cause they had to give the people something, something that they were going to accept and it was good but that they knew the people would throw it away at the first crisis.

And i wanted our listeners ... and i said all this which you said, did i say this right?

Alan Watt: Yep Yep, pretty well that's it.

This is not just Alan Watt's view, this is the view of Albert Nock and others. I do not subscribe to the fully to the view, but it has been around for over 200 years. I agree that it was a compromise, but between purists (similar to Watt) and those that were too compromised. Jefferson compromised with slavery as others did, there were many compromises. IMO, they did the best they could at the time and we have not seen something so powerful since. But that is just my view, Alan Watt has done 100x more research than me and like my belief in my creator I cannot prove it nor do I need to. Getting bogged down on the intentions of them over 200 years ago is less important than us exposing less than 10,000 psychopaths hell bent on depopulationg and enslaving the planet.


Nevertheless, this is a book everyone should read...

From Mises.org (a libertarian website)



Our Enemy, the State

Albert Jay Nock

1935


http://mises.org/store/Our-Enemy-the-State-P321.aspx

What does one need to know about politics? In some ways, Nock has summed it all up in this astonishing book, the influence of which has grown every year since its publication.

The Mises Institute has long hoped for an opportunity to produce a new edition with a great cover. At last, the time has arrived. This edition is supplemented by a sweeping introduction by Butler Shaffer, a scholar who has written many books in the Nockian tradition.

Nock was a prominent essayist at the height of the New Deal. In 1935, hardly any public intellectuals were making much sense at all. They pushed socialism. They pushed fascism. Everyone had a plan. Hardly anyone considered the possibility that the state was not fixing society but destroying it bit by bit.

And so Albert Jay Nock came forward to write what needed to be written. And he ended up penning a classic of American political commentary, one that absolutely must be read by every student of economics and government.

Consider his opening two paragraphs:

If we look beneath the surface of our public affairs, we can discern one fundamental fact, namely: a great redistribution of power between society and the State. This is the fact that interests the student of civilization. He has only a secondary or derived interest in matters like price-fixing, wage-fixing, inflation, political banking, "agricultural adjustment," and similar items of State policy that fill the pages of newspapers and the mouths of publicists and politicians. All these can be run up under one head. They have an immediate and temporary importance, and for this reason they monopolize public attention, but they all come to the same thing; which is, an increase of State power and a corresponding decrease of social power.


It is unfortunately none too well understood that, just as the State has no money of its own, so it has no power of its own. All the power it has is what society gives it, plus what it confiscates from time to time on one pretext or another; there is no other source from which State power can be drawn. Therefore every assumption of State power, whether by gift or seizure, leaves society with so much less power; there is never, nor can there be, any strengthening of State power without a corresponding and roughly equivalent depletion of social power.

The theory is good enough and strong enough for the forging of an entire apparatus of libertarian thought, which he does here. But then he pushes the envelope. He discusses American history in a way that you will never read in the civics texts.


He praises the Articles of Confederation as the closest model of American freedom. And he blasts the men who hammered out the Constitution as nothing but usurpers engaged in a coup d'etat. Far from heralding the drafters, he exposes them as public creditors, land speculators, money lenders, and industrialists looking for privilege. They tossed out the Articles and used unscrupulous methods to ram the Constitution down the public's throat.

It was in this stage of American history, Nock says, that the state was unleashed. Next came the party system, and the dynamics of statism that causes "every intervention by the State" to enable another so that "the State stands ever ready and eager to make" interventions through deceit and lies.

One realizes many important points about Nock when reading this. First, he was brilliant, original, and courageous. Second, he hated politics -- indeed he hated politics so much that he wanted a society that was completely free of it. This is why he is often described as anarchist. Third, he surely was one of the great stylists of the English language in the history of 20th century writing.

Those who have read Nock know that there is something about his writing that tugs very deeply on one's conscience and soul. This book will linger in your mind as you read the daily headlines. He makes his points so well that they become unforgettable.

In so many ways, it is a tragedy that years have gone by when this book has been unavailable. But here it is again, just as hot, just a revealing, as it was in 1935. It is the ultimate handbook of the political dissident. If you aren't one yet, you may find that Nock is a very persuasive recruiter into his informed army that makes up the remnant who know.

180 pages, paperback 2009
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 09:39:53 AM »

..Getting bogged down on the intentions of them over 200 years ago is less important than us exposing less than 10,000 psychopaths hell bent on depopulationg and enslaving the planet...

Actually most of this series is about their intentions more than three thousand years ago, but many questons are asked too, and i posted this to let folks see that the Constitution was something to be valued, it wasn't a big con, the people were not fooled.
Perhaps the Founders knew the people better than the people did themselves though.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 01:18:59 PM »

Actually most of this series is about their intentions more than three thousand years ago, but many questons are asked too, and i posted this to let folks see that the Constitution was something to be valued, it wasn't a big con, the people were not fooled.
The general public were not lawyers.

Basically, there are two possibilities here.  Either the Constitution was written specifically for the benefit of the general public or it wasn't.

If it was not, as The Informer argues, then there are two possibilities:

1) Watt wasn't aware of that when he did those Sweet Liberty Shows 10-12 years ago, or 2) Watt was aware of it back then, but chose not to give more information/deprogramming than Jackie Patru and/or her audience could handle at once, which he does hint at in the introduction on the first CD.

If you read the transcript carefully, it appears (to me at least) that Watt is trying to avoid the cognitive dissonance of Jackie Patru.  The only way we could know that for sure is to have heard the original conversation that she is referring to, what was said to provoke the question "Are you saying that they fooled us?", how that question was asked, what was the reaction to what was said before that, etc. etc.


it wasn't a big con, the people were not fooled
The people are nearly always fooled, about almost everything that's important.


Perhaps the Founders knew the people better than the people did themselves though.
The "Founding Fathers" certainly knew themselves better than the people did, that's for sure.


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This might interest you too:

April 19th, 2006 - Alan Watt on the Kevin Smith show:
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Alan: A very high freemason sent me a letter. I know this guy. He’s in Washington, DC and he’s listened to a lot of my talks on the radio and he said, "you know, Alan, you're right, I know every symbol I see around this city is high freemasonic," and it’s mainly the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry the symbols they're seeing. When you go into the book by Albert Pike, who was called the Pope of Freemasonry in the 1800's, he says in his own book, "Morals and Dogma," the book that was given to most freemasons up to the 32nd degree, he said, "make no mistake. Freemasonry is a religion," and since every president of the United States becomes an honorary 33rd degree of that Order, you certainly do have a religion running your country.

Kevin: Now say that again. Every president of the United States becomes honorary 33rd degree?

Alan: If they’re not already, yes.

Kevin: How do we know that?

Alan: That’s why when you see George Bush Sr. the very first photo-op they gave of him was with I think the New York Yankees and he’s wearing their pullover and there’s the number 33 right there on his pullover. Of course, I have the photographs of Ronald Reagan being given his scroll and apron et cetera by the Scottish Rite. That is a fact and then if you go into the Freemasonic Encyclopedia, you have a whole list of all the presidents who’ve been high freemasons. Washington himself was.

Kevin: Yes, I was going to say, yes. George Washington, that’s a well-established fact. George Washington was.

Alan: And that’s why you’ve got an Egyptian obelisk, a brand new one though, for a New World Order, built to him. You only built an obelisk to a person who had achieved godhood in the mystery religion of Egypt and that’s called apotheosis; and because Washington had done such great work towards the Great Work, as they call it, he was raised to godhood, apotheosis.


Kevin: So they raise people to godhood in something like the same way that the Catholic Church raises people to sainthood?

Alan: Pretty well, yes. That’s what godhood means. You’re raised to godhood. You’ve achieved not only the lower orders and understanding of the philosopher’s stone and the different categories of understanding all the way up and because of your work towards the Great Work you are considered a god. Even in the famous painting you’ll see there where they're around the table and Benjamin Franklin made his speech at his table about it when he talked about Washington in a very Masonic way. Behind Washington is the rising sun right behind his head. It’s all Freemasonic. Franklin himself was a member of Masonry. He wrote about it in his own newspapers, and 33 signatories signed the Declaration because you cannot – for those in the low orders they’re taught they cannot rise above the 33rd Degree, because the sun like Jesus starts his ministry at the 30th Degree east in its parallel and it sets on the 33rd west, so that’s why they let the low orders think there’s only 33 degrees.

Kevin: How many are there really?

Alan: 360.

Kevin: A circle?

Alan: Yes.

Kevin: Most of the – I have known a number of Masons. I do know a number of Masons and the Masons that I know are people who, the ones I know, who have a lot of integrity and who seem to be very patriotic, love the country and love their families and do a lot of things that are good public service.

Alan: But they’ve also sworn to obey an order by a superior and do it instantly and reserve all judgment of morality aside.

Kevin: Do you think that most of them would adhere to that?

Alan: Yes, because there’s so much that comes along with Masonry. I was talking to one 32nd Degree about a month ago and he agreed after hearing to a lot of my talks, he says, "you know I didn’t think about it." He says, "I’m just a farmer but I could go in to see a bank manager with no collateral down and ask for a bank loan and I could pick it up in the afternoon." The average person couldn’t do that, so you get a lot of fringe benefits. You get off with a lot of speeding tickets and you can get a bed in the hospital much quicker than anyone else. There’s a lot more to it and also if you start a business off in a town and you join the lodge, they’re all sworn to give you business to bring custom your way; so the lower guy with the hardware store up the road there who’s not a Mason will be scratching his head wondering why no one is coming in his store.

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Watt has also said that Thomas Jefferson was illuminati, according to his own writings.

He has also discussed the fact that Franklin was prepared from childhood for the role he was going to play.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 09:15:07 AM »

The general public were not lawyers.

Well done matrix, listening on now and AW is saying the people didn't understand the legal terms found inside, nor understood the meaning of the word republic, Jackie is starting to freak out now saying "That isn't what you and i talked about on the phone!", "Well, why didn't you say this then?",
and Watts reply : "If people don't know what it means they [the elite] can do what they want with it'', "when they [the eite] can come along and say "you don't even understand the language you use""...
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 02:36:44 PM »

Jackie is starting to freak out now ...
Eventually she got really angry with him and stopped inviting him onto her show.  I can't remember what it was about, but ultimately it was probably some sort of cognitive dissonance.
Oh well.

To be honest I found her to be an incompetent and irritating radio host.  I remember one show in which she was talking about some sort of medicine she had found to fight the effects of chemtrails, and Watt was saying that it was a waste of time given that the chemtrails keep getting sprayed.  And she said that she thought it might be worth taking anyway, but she wasn't going to take up the valuable radio time talking about it.  Then she spent at least 10-15 minutes explaining why she thought it was worthwhile, and that she wasn't going to take up any valuable time talking about it.  You could hear Watt occasionally lighting a cigarette and politely giving an occasional "yeah ... uh-huh ... yeah", but he was probably wondering when she was going to shut up and let him get on with actually giving out some of the information that he was there to give out.

But she did somehow introduce me to Alan Watt's work.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 12:11:50 PM »

 Smiley    http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=152636.msg948336#msg948336

Applicable.  Wink
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