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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2010, 07:17:51 am »
Good find! This is the first I've heard about this. It's definitely creepy. Here are a few more things I found on it.

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2010, 08:08:37 am »

University of Arizona, Vatican and Jesuits Name New Telescope ‘Lucifer’

Housed at Mt. Graham, critics wonder are the ‘evil ones’ planning a staged end times scenario

By Greg Szymanski, JD
April 23, 2010

The University of Arizona, together with the Vatican and Jesuit Order, announced today it named its newest high-powered telescopic instrument ‘Lucifer’.

There has been a great deal of speculation, among Vatican critics, why in the first place the Jesuit Order was allowed to build a huge stellar observatory on Mt. Graham in Arizona – on holy Indian ground – in cooperation with the state-run University of Arizona.

With the naming of Lucifer, critics claim the Vatican has showed its true colors, using God and Jesus as shills for their true master — Lucifer.

According to an article in Popular Science by Rebecca Boyle the “new instrument with an evil-sounding name is helping scientists see how stars are born.”

The article went to explain the name Lucifer stands for (deep breath) “Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research.”

“And yes,” according to Popular Science, “it’s named for the Devil, whose name itself means “morning star.”

However, according to a spokesman for the University of Arizona,it wasn’t meant to evoke any connotations of evil.

Lucifer has three interchangeable cameras for imaging and spectroscopy in different resolutions. It has a large field of view and high-res capabilities, which allow a wide range of observations.

Critics are now shaking their heads even more, wondering why the Vatican would have its own stellar observatory and why they would have the audacity to name a new telescope after the Devil himself.

According to Mitch Battros some people believe “it is for the purpose to monitor a warning presented in the Bible.

Could it be it is named “Wormwood” coming from the New Testament book of Revelation, saying:

“And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.” (Revelation 8:10, 11 – King James Bible).

Battros added this reference to the end times as well as Mayan prophecy:

“Is it possible the Vatican has the same information as the Mayans? Both speak of an event coming from the center of our galaxy Milky Way. Both indicate a powerful celestial event. But the most important question of all is “when”.

“I do not believe any scientist or focused individual can argue that all of space science and cosmology appears to have a certain urgency for discovery. From galactic ‘charged particles’ to new found asteroids, there is a sense of ‘let’s find it as soon as we can’.”

Here is an article that appeared in the Native American Roots web site, explaining how the Vatican violated Native American holy ground:

For many Native American nations there are certain geographic places which have special spiritual meanings. These sacred places are often portals to the spirit worlds. For the Apache in Arizona, one of these sacred places is Mount Graham: this place is called Dzil Nchaa Si An (Big Seated Mountain) and is mentioned in 32 of the sacred songs which have been handed down through the oral tradition for many generations. It is here that the Ga’an, the guardian spirits of the Apache, live.

In 1873, Mount Graham was removed from the boundaries of the San Carlos Reservation and placed in public domain. The spiritual value of Mount Graham to the Apache was not considered. This action set the stage for conflict a century later.
Ojibwa :: Mount Graham: Science and Apache Religion
In 1984, the University of Arizona and the Vatican selected Mount Graham as a site for a complex of 18 telescopes. The fact that this is a sacred place for the Apache was not taken into consideration. To get around the legal barriers of the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act, the University hired a lobbying firm to put pressure on Congress to remove this, and other, roadblocks. The area in question is administered by the U.S. Forest Service.

The Vatican has an observatory staff which is officially support by the Vatican City State. The Vatican Observatory Foundation is supported by private donations. One of the important duties of the church is to maintain an accurate calendar and this requires astronomical observations. Hence the involvement of the Vatican with astronomy. The first Vatican observatory was established in 1774.

Congress passed the Arizona-Idaho Conservation Act in 1988. In response to lobbying by the University of Arizona and the Vatican, the Act included a provision to allow the construction of three telescopes on Mount Graham without having to comply with the American Indian Religious Freedoms Act or with environmental laws.

The following year the Apache Survival Coalition was started by Ola Cassadore-Davis, the daughter of Apache spiritual leader Phillip Cassadore. The purpose of the Coalition was to save Dzil Nchaa Si An from desecration by a telescope complex to be built by the University of Arizona and the Vatican.

In 1991, the San Carlos Apache Tribe passed a resolution stating that Mount Graham is sacred to them. Furthermore, the resolution stated that the tribe supported the efforts of the Apache Survival Coalition to protect the religious and cultural beliefs of the tribe.

Following the declarations of the sacredness of Mount Graham by the Apache Survival Coalition and the San Carlos Apache Tribe, the Vatican in 1991declared that Mt. Graham was not sacred because it lacked religious shrines. Jesuit Father George Coyne, director of the Vatican Observatory, indicated that he could not find an authentic Apache who thought the mountain was sacred. Father Coyne stated that to convince him that the mountain was sacred he would need to see evidence of shrines and that he would not accept Apache oral history or statements by Apache-speaking Euro-American anthropologists.

Father Coyne further declared that Apache beliefs were “a kind of religiosity to which I cannot subscribe and which must be suppressed with all the force we can muster.”

The Arizona Republic (Phoenix, Arizona) reports that the Jesuit Father Charles W. Polzer calls opposition to the construction of the telescope complex on top of Mount Graham “part of a Jewish conspiracy” and comes from the Jewish lawyers of the American Civil Liberties Union who are out to undermine and destroy the Catholic Church.

In spite of opposition by the San Carlos Apache tribal council, Apache spiritual leaders, and environmental groups, actual construction of the project began in 1991.

With flagrant insensitivity to American Indians, the University of Arizona announced that it intended to name its new telescope on Mount Graham the Colum¬bus telescope in honor of the European explorer. The University was apparently unaware that Columbus is not considered to be a hero by American Indian people. Ultimately, the University withdrew the name following public response against it.

The San Carlos Apache tribal council in 1993 reaffirmed reso¬lutions opposing the construction of the telescope on Mount Graham. The council resolution stated that the telescope “constitutes a display of profound disrespect for a cherished feature of our original homeland as well as a serious violation of our tradi¬tional religious beliefs.”

After meeting with Apache elders and spiritual leaders at the San Carlos Apache Reservation, the National Council of Churches in 1995 passed a resolution calling for the removal of a telescope from Mount Graham.

The President’s Advisory Council on Historic Preservation in 1996 declared the entire Mount Graham observatory project to be in violation of the National Historic Preservation Act because of the project’s harm to Apache culture and spiritual life, but the telescope was not removed.

In 1997, the spokesman for the Apaches for Cultural Preservation was arrested for praying on Mount Graham. The Apaches for Cultural Preservation feel that the Forest Service, the University of Arizona, and the Vatican developed the project on Mount Graham knowing that it would violate Apache religious beliefs.

President Bill Clinton, using the line item veto, deleted $10 million in federal funds for the operation of the University of Arizona’s Mount Graham telescope project. San Carlos Apache Chairman Raymond Stanley and the White Mountain Apache Cultural Resources Director Ramon Riley sent letters to the President thanking him for the veto.

Beginning in 1998, the University of Arizona began requiring Indians to obtain prayer permits before they crossed the top of Mount Graham near the University’s telescopes. The University’s prayer policy required that the permit be requested at least two business days before the visit and that it include a description of where on the mountain the prayers will take place. Only people who were enrolled members of federally recognized tribes were allowed to pray.

In 1999, the University of Notre Dame, a Catholic university, announced that it would also build a telescope on Mount Graham. The University president claimed that he was unaware that Mount Graham was sacred to the Apache and that the Apache opposed the desecration of this sacred place. This was in spite of the fact that the building of telescopes on this sacred mountain by the University of Arizona and the Vatican was a controversial issue and had been the subject of many news stories.

In 1999, the White Mountain Apache tribal council passed a resolution urging the U.S. Forest Service to “honor its duties to protect the physical integrity of Mount Graham and its long-standing and ongoing historical, cultural and religious importance to many Apaches.”

Realizing that they were making little headway with the bureaucracies of the American government (Department of the Interior and Department of Agriculture) and Congress, the Apaches took their cause to the United Nations in 1999. Ola Cassadore Davis testified before the Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities. She stated:

We Apache wish to bring to the people of this world a better understanding of Indian people, in order that we are able to preserve and freely live by our traditional culture and religious beliefs.

Source: http://www.envirolink.org/exte

She asked that the special use permit by the Department of Agriculture Forest Service be terminated. She concluded:

In conclusion, we Apache would respectfully urge this body of the United Nations to recognize and acknowledge that the disrespect and suffering caused by the nations and governments mentioned above be terminated forthwith. We Apache petition you for a resolution consistent with the National Congress of American Indians of 1993, 1995 and July 1999. They stated that the public interest in protecting Apache culture is compelling, and that the U.S. Secretary of Agriculture should accordingly require the prompt removal of the telescopes from Mount Graham.

In 2004, the San Carlos Apache rejected an offer of $120,000 from the University of Arizona, calling it a bribe. Saying that the University had done nothing but tell lies to the Apache people, the San Carlos Apache indicated that they would continue to honor their sacred mountain. One tribal council member indicated that if the University did not have a telescope on Mount Graham they would have no interest in the Apache people.

The conflict over this sacred site is still not resolved. On the one hand it can be viewed as a conflict between two different cultures. On the other hand, it can also be seen as a conflict between science and religion.

The Mount Graham International Observatory is home to three telescopes: the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope, the Heinrich Hertz Submillimeter Telescope, and the Large Binocular Telescope. On their website, their version of the history of Mount Graham focuses on James Duncan Graham and mentions the Spanish Conquistadores. There is no mention of the Apache. Their section on the legal actions necessary for the building of the complex mentions environmental concerns, but there is no mention of the Apache spiritual concerns.

The telescopes sit on land which has been leased from the Forest Service and the lease must be regularly renewed. Efforts by American Indian people and various environmental groups have so far been unsuccessful in convincing the Forest Service to deny the renewal of the leases.

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2010, 08:09:54 am »
LUCIFER Telescope looking into how Stars are Born

[Best Syndication News] The name for the telescope is LUCIFER when is an acronym for Large (binocular telescope near-infrared) Utility with Camera and Infrared Field unit for Extra-galactic Research. It is the world's largest optical telescope that will help astronomers view the most faraway distant objects in our universe.

The Large Binocular Telescope with this near-infrared camera has been installed on Mount Graham observatory in southeastern Arizona. The new telescope technology is being called LUCIFER and will help astronomers look at the Milky Way and to far away galaxies. It will be able to pick up the faintest of far away objects in space.

The telescopes consists of two giant 27.6 foot diameter telescope mirrors. The astronomers hope to be able to watch the the formation of star regions that were typically hidden by dust clouds.

NASA and The Vatican's Infrared Telescope Called (LUCIFER) For Looking At NIBIRU/NEMESIS PT 1-3 YouTube Video

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2010, 09:21:20 am »
Youtube has marked the videos as spam and the comments that are there lead me to believe that this story is not accurate at least as far as the name of the telescope.  Then I started to look at the sources and find no main stream reports but instead links to sights investigating the mythical planet x.  April first has come and gone guys ::)

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2010, 09:43:07 am »
I found another place it is being mentioned but with no connection to the vatican however.  It is in Astronomy the worlds largest stargazer publication. http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9796

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2010, 09:47:50 am »
no mention of a partnership with the vatican here either.  http://www.astro.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/LuciferHome/

In fact here is who says they own this scope.The LUCIFER Project is funded by the Bundesministerium für Bildung und Forschung (BMBF). It is a collaboration of five German institutes, Landessternwarte Heidelberg, Max Planck Institut für Astronomie (Heidelberg), Max Planck Institut für Extraterrestrische Physik (Garching), Fachhochschule für Technik und Gestaltung (Mannheim), Astronomisches Institut der Universität Bochum.

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2010, 09:53:12 am »
Can anyone here verify that this has been in fact somehow tied to the vatican? ???  If this were true it would be note worthy. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2010, 10:01:49 am »
http://uanews.org/node/31495

The LBT is a collaboration among the Italian astronomical community (National Institute of Astrophysics), the University of Arizona, Arizona State University, Northern Arizona University, the LBT Beteiligungsgesellschaft in Germany (Max-Planck-Institut fϋr Astronomie in Heidelberg, Zentrum fur Astronomie der Universität Heidelberg, Astrophysikalisches Institut in Potsdam, Max-Planck-Institut fϋr Extraterrestrische Physik in Munich, and Max-Planck-Institut fϋr Radioastronomie in Bonn), and the Ohio State University and Research Corporation (Ohio State University, University of Notre Dame, University of Minnesota and University of Virginia).  

 The part highlighted in red is as close as I have come so far to a vatican tie and that only says italian astronomical community.

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2010, 10:04:22 am »
Please also note that the telescope itself is not what is being called lucifer but instead lucifer refers to the two cameras attached to the LBT.

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2010, 10:23:32 am »
From the vatican observatory http://vaticanobservatory.org/
The Vatican Observatory is one of the oldest astronomical research institutions in the world. It has its headquarters at the papal summer cg-cirilliW2residence in Castel Gandolfo, Italy, outside Rome. Its dependent research center, the Vatican Observatory Research Group, is hosted by Steward Observatory at the University of Arizona, Tucson, USA.

The Vatican Observatory Research Group operates the 1.8m Alice P. Lennon Telescope with its Thomas J. Bannan Astrophysics Facility, known together as the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT). This is located at the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO) in southeastern Arizona.

Upon further investigation I deem this story needs more investigation but the story does ad up the further I look into it.

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2010, 10:54:20 am »
Doc, have you heard much on the mount Graham Observatory prior to this?  It looks to me like the vatican is one of several institutions who have equipment there.  All I can say is this sure got my attention and I thought for sure it had to be a hoax but damn, it is walking smelling and looking a lot more like a duck the more that I look into it. :o

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2010, 10:33:50 pm »
Can anyone here verify that this has been in fact somehow tied to the vatican? ???  If this were true it would be note worthy. 

Kudos to you, sir! It's so refreshing to see discernment on here.

So we still have no link right?

I'll admit...I would have liked to believe this one. Very interesting.  :D

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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 07:00:21 am »
Take into consideration the op tends to post rather, uh, off beat stuff, some bordering on the mystical.

Maybe somebody can look for verification through UofA?

And how is Notre Dame not a connection to the Vatican? And did anyone think to follow up on the Popular Science mention?

Whatever the case, this kind of stuff wouldn't surprise me, though I can't really see the Vatican doing this. It seems really questionable.
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Re: New telescope named "LUCIFER."-Vatican telescope
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 07:17:05 am »
The Luciferians that infiltrated the Catholic church just aren't very discreet any more are they?

I guess they don't have to be.

I think the coming out party is sceduled for some time in the near future.

Lucifer rising.  Presently Phosphoros is ascendent until about August.  It will be at its highest point about the time of the Grand Cardinal Cross this summer.  For what it's worth.

Gotta know how these creeps operate.

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« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 10:57:52 pm »
Wow, so a lot of you fell for this.

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« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2010, 11:18:38 pm »
I think that it would be safe to say that inquiring minds want to know how much closer these ties go would be safe to say at the least I believe.  ::)