Invisible Empire issues to bring up before MSM nonsensical spinning starts

[Coincidence Theorist]

I just finished watching the film, and my first impression is....AWESOME, JOB WELL DONE! Thank you Jason, Alex, Rob, Aaron and a few others!

Perhaps this film is, as Alex said, a "NWO for dummies" type film. But I'm no dummy, and the film certainly made an impression on me. There is a ton of footage that I hadn't seen before, and it's all packaged logically along with some high-quality graphics.

The film had no significant factual errors, at least none that I could find upon first viewing. But if I had to point to any errors or weaknesses, I might point to the following:
1) Bermie mis-pronounced "Kampf" near the beginning of the film (no big deal, obviously)
2) Bermie cited Indonesia instead of India as a BRIC member nation, at 1:35:40 or so into the film (this error kinda had me wondering how it was missed)
3) No mention of chemtrails or zionists. Now, many would argue that these two topics might fall out the film's scope, and they might be right. Also, neither topic is all that "invisible". Nevertheless, I felt the need to come up with a third weakness here  

Again, great job guys! I will now spread this film as best I can!

[Monkeypox]

2) Bermie cited Indonesia instead of India as a BRIC member nation, at 1:35:40 or so into the film (this error kinda had me wondering how it was missed)

Alex said the same thing recently.  I guess they're both on the same (wrong) page for some reason, LOL.

[Dig]

legit issues to bring up prior to inevitable MSM spinning...

1] Bermie cited Indonesia instead of India as a BRIC member nation, at 1:35:40 or so into the film

(the other two are more like ninny nannying IMO)

[Daystrom]

Jason mentions Hitler being named Time Man of the Year twice, however I think he only was once.
Apologies if I'm wrong. Great Movie overall, I will be trying to get my brother and father to watch it.

[H0llyw00d]

Hitler, Time's Man of The Year, once...1938

[Dig]

Hitler, Time's Man of The Year, once...1938

legit issues to bring up prior to inevitable MSM spinning...

1] Bermie cited Indonesia instead of India as a BRIC member nation, at 1:35:40 or so into the film

2] Hitler - Time's Man of the year once, not twice (anybody know the time stamp of when this is said?)

[Daystrom]

anybody know the time stamp of when this is said?

Approx 9 minutes

[DanishD00D]

1) India not Indonesia member of BRIC

Makes me sad.... If you release a movie and don't even bother to have someone factually check things, well, let's just say that whatever point a movie or book is trying to tell becomes significantly diminished. Sorry, but this one is just too amateurish. Now anybody can point to this and go: 'If the movie maker is that ignorant, how can you trust anything they say. Someone in production should have caught it.

2) Hitler voted Time Magazine Man of the Year 1 time (1938) not 2

Maybe he meant Josef Stalin, who received it twice? Or viewer misheard?

[Theorist]

Alex said the same thing recently.  I guess they're both on the same (wrong) page for some reason, LOL.

Alex also cited recently in one of his shows that "Poland will pull out of the Euro " which will cause its collapse , well Poland uses the zloty and never been in the Eurozone although it is a EU member those are not big mistakes (for an American at least ) but they may at a certain point be used by his enemies to discredit him ...we know that AJ knows the difference between a Shia and a Sunni muslim (which is quite big for an American ) but I think he should study more history and geography if he wants to deal with world affairs in his shows...

[H0llyw00d]

Stalin- '39 & '42

[Z]

How could these mistakes be made....?  Maybe Jason n Alex should release an updated version of this b4 too many people receive the wrong info.

In any event, these inconsistencies do not diverge from the overall outstanding documentary.

[jofortruth]

legit issues to bring up prior to inevitable MSM spinning...

1] Hitler - Time's Man of the year once, not twice (anybody know the time stamp of when this is said?)

Some thought he was Man of Year in 1933. Here is some info:
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/hitler/sources/30s/391time/391timemanyear.htm
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauMemorial/TimeCover.html

Time in video: 9:04

Other Time covers with Hitler:
http://search.time.com/results.html?N=46&Nty=1&Ns=p_date_range%7C1&Ntt=Hitler&x=27&y=9

[jeremystalked1]

I also had a problem with citing Hitler's Man of the Year award as evidence that the MSM was backing Hitler.  Time magazine has always said they choose the MotY based on his (or her) influence on the world - good or bad.

I would have focused on support for eugenics and anti-semitism in the US in the years leading up to the war, as further evidence that Hitler's ideology had a lot of support here.

[jofortruth]

We have to remember that this movie was over 2 hrs. There is no way he could have put in the video ALL the hundreds of years of history. Each video tries to tackle some different topics. Over many videos, they may be able to scratch the surface of what needs to be told.

It is up to US to go futher and research the things these videos don't address. They are doing their part, are you? 

[Dig]

1) India not Indonesia member of BRIC

Makes me sad.... If you release a movie and don't even bother to have someone factually check things, well, let's just say that whatever point a movie or book is trying to tell becomes significantly diminished. Sorry, but this one is just too amateurish. Now anybody can point to this and go: 'If the movie maker is that ignorant, how can you trust anything they say. Someone in production should have caught it.

2) Hitler voted Time Magazine Man of the Year 1 time (1938) not 2

Maybe he meant Josef Stalin, who received it twice? Or viewer misheard?

you are joking right?

this is not a company like GE which gets $200 Billion in bailouts to peddle wrong messages complete with fact checking to make the fraud more accepted.

This is a small media company producing state of the art documentaries amidst a tyrannical regime that is hell bent on stopping them.

AJ and JB continue to make the right messages notwithstanding normal processing of feedback and revising.

This thread is to help get all the kinks identified beforehand. This is not a thread to assist the Sunstein agenda of focusing on the minor things so as to discredit the major issues. Overall, there is no mistake in the film as far as what is going on and what is being planned.

Anyway, thanks for coming in late and just harping on an already exposed item. Care to actually help by seeing if any other issues need to be brought to the forefront?.

[Dig]

Some thought he was Man of Year in 1933. Here is some info:
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/projects/hitler/sources/30s/391time/391timemanyear.htm
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauMemorial/TimeCover.html

Time in video: 9:04

Other Time covers with Hitler:
http://search.time.com/results.html?N=46&Nty=1&Ns=p_date_range%7C1&Ntt=Hitler&x=27&y=9

thanks for the follow up.

MSM, Rockefeller, Bush, Harriman (all skull and bones) were in love with hitler and they controlled parts of the press. this is an absolute fact and there is tremendous evidence within this forum on it. Additionally, Hitler was a British agent and the American as well as European bankers funder the third reich (it could not exist without them) there is tremendous information about that as well.

Oliver Stone is coming out with a movie about it soon.

I recommend that everyone watch JFK II: The Bush Connection to get just a small understanding of the Bush/Harriman/Rockefeller/Hitler connections. They are bona fide.

[jeremystalked1]

I recommend that everyone watch JFK II: The Bush Connection to get just a small understanding of the Bush/Harriman/Rockefeller/Hitler connections. They are bona fide.

Yep, no question that Hitler was connected to the financial elite.  None whatsoever.

We know that the MSM will pick up on tiny stuff like the Hitler MotY boo-boo and blow it way out of proportion.  You'll see "independent" bloggers picking that angle up and running with it through the Internet propaganda channels.  We just have to be aware of those issues in advance and be ready to talk about them.

[Dig]

Yep, no question that Hitler was connected to the financial elite.  None whatsoever.

We know that the MSM will pick up on tiny stuff like the Hitler MotY boo-boo and blow it way out of proportion.  You'll see "independent" bloggers picking that angle up and running with it through the Internet propaganda channels.  We just have to be aware of those issues in advance and be ready to talk about them.

and that is really the purpose of this thread to be clear concerning the obvious psyops talking points that are going to be thrown at us.

Whether Hitler was on Time once or 10x...Luce (founder of Time and Newsweek) was Skull and Boners buddies with Rockefeller/Harriman/Bush...Skull and Bones was the sister society to the Thule society (Himmler/Hess/Goebbels, etc.)

HEY GUESS WHAT....................


BERMIE IS VINDICATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLOOMBERG:
Time for Goldman to Add Indonesia to the BRICs
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a4WdXv9R98KQ&refer=home
William Pesek Last Updated: May 27, 2008 14:01 EDT

May 28 (Bloomberg) -- Muhammad Lutfi dreams with the BRICs.

The head of the Indonesian Investment Coordination Board still scratches his head over why more money isn't rushing into Southeast Asia's biggest economy. Why, he asks, do Brazil, Russia, India and China, the so-called BRICs, get more attention?

``I was shocked a few years back to see that Indonesia was not a BRIC,'' Lutfi said on May 22 at a EuroMoney conference in Bali. ``It should be.''

Lutfi's views have a rose-colored-glasses feel that can seem excessive, yet the point is worth considering.

Economist Jim O'Neill of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. created a sensation when he coined the acronym in 2001. It referred to the four countries that would join the U.S. and Japan as the biggest economies by 2050. Another widely cited report, ``Dreaming With BRICs,'' followed in 2003.

Events in Yekaterinburg, Russia, this month show how much the BRICs concept has taken off. Booming growth is forging a sort of political alliance. On May 16, foreign ministers from Brasilia, Moscow, New Delhi and Beijing met for the first time outside the venue of the United Nations.

The BRICs summit was a milestone for the developing world and served as a reminder of the coming multipolar global economy -- one that's less reliant on the U.S.

Global Shakeup

The $13 trillion U.S. economy still dominates the global system. Yet the rise of the BRICs is shaking up the international economy as perhaps never before and driving investment trends.

In 2007, the combined gross domestic product of the BRICs accounted for 12 percent of global growth, up from 8 percent in 2000, according to the International Monetary Fund. At the time the BRICs held their debut summit, their stocks had risen 70 percent in the previous two years, versus 42 percent in emerging markets overall.

Now investors are looking for the next generation of growth stars -- the next BRICs. Goldman's list includes Bangladesh, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Mexico, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea, Turkey and Vietnam.

A BRIC nation is one with the potential to become a vital economy and turn that promise into reality. The criterion includes macroeconomic stability, political maturity, openness of trade and investment policies, and quality of education.

Indonesia's Promise

O'Neill says that if he were to sit down tomorrow and revise the BRICs, Indonesia would fare reasonably well. ``Of them, we would rate Mexico as closer to a BRIC status than Indonesia, but it would not be far behind.''

That should be a message for Indonesian officials. The same may be true for investors. For all the excitement over Vietnam, you don't see Indonesian stocks down 55 percent this year like the Ho Chi Minh City Stock Exchange.

``This market is underreported on by the media from a global perspective and rather misunderstood,'' says Jack Lin, Hong Kong- based regional managing director for Franklin Templeton Investments.

Adds Mira Arifin, who heads Indonesia coverage for Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.: ``It's important to remember how far Indonesia has come in the last 10 years -- political stability, economic stability and investors are returning.''

Both Lin and Arifin stress Indonesia isn't an easy place in which to invest. It requires patience, disciplined research and a strong stomach given the lack of legal protection, the multitude of regional taxes and fickle politicians.

Poverty and Corruption

Surging food and energy prices complicate things further. About 37 million of Indonesia's 243 million people survive on $18 a month. Within the world's fourth-most-populous nation is a population the size of Poland's living on about 60 U.S. cents a day at a time when inflation (9 percent) is growing faster than GDP (6.3 percent).

That factoid alone would scare away many investors. And while the government is working to stamp out corruption, far more needs to be done.

Indonesia's regulatory regime, bureaucracy and legal system need considerable work. With 29 percent of the population under the age of 15, investing more in education is critical. So is spreading the benefits of growth.

Yet it's Indonesia's potential and vast natural resources that are attracting interest from the likes of Reliance Power Ltd., the energy company controlled by billionaire Anil Ambani, and ArcelorMittal, the world's largest steelmaker.

About Implementation

ArcelorMittal Chief Executive Officer Lakshmi Mittal, listed by Forbes magazine as the world's fourth-richest man, plans to spend as much as $10 billion on projects in Indonesia. China Shenhua Energy Co., China's largest coal producer, also is considering opportunities, as are Kuwait Energy Co. and Japan's Mitsubishi Corp.

``Indonesia knows where it wants to be, and investors know where they want it to go,'' says James Bryson, Jakarta-based director at HB Capital Indonesia. ``The issue is implementation.''

President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono announced on May 26 that Indonesia is offering about 200 investment projects valued at almost $19 billion. It's vital that officials continue to improve the economy and increase transparency so that investors don't regret it.

One payoff will be a seat at BRIC summits. A more important dividend is one of the world's most promising economies finally reaching its potential. Otherwise, Indonesia can keep dreaming.

(William Pesek is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are his own.)

To contact the writer of this column: William Pesek in Nusa Dua, Indonesia, at wpesek@bloomberg.net

[Dig]

Indonesia: another Bric in the wall
http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/stock-markets/indonesia-another-bric-in-the-wall-44108.aspx
Jun 26, 2009

We are constantly hearing about the long-term potential of Brazil, Russia, India and China (the Brics). We may soon be able to add Indonesia to this list, says Morgan Stanley's Chetan Ahya.

A "confluence of benign factors" suggests that Indonesia's growth rate can accelerate to 6%-7% a year from 2011 onwards, up from 5%-6% in 2003-2008; in five years' time, the economy could be worth $800bn, 60% more than today's figure. It has a favourable demographic profile and is a major commodities exporter.
 

Since the Asian crisis it has clamped down on annual budget deficits and cut public debt from over 90% of GDP to 35%; overall external debt fell from 156% to 29% between 1998 and 2008.

The government's improved balance sheet means that interest rates across the economy have fallen, so the cost of borrowing to invest for the private sector is on a downward trend.

The improved political backdrop – democracy is now well-entrenched – also bodes well for "reforms and macro management". While the short-term is likely to be bumpy, once this downturn is over a step-change in Indonesia's performance is on the cards.

[Dig]

BRIC Should Add Indonesia To Become BRIIC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W04-19CfFtg
October 11, 2009

[Dig]

Indonesia: The Fifth BRIC
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1279824019

[DanishD00D]

I wasn't joking. I was pissed off. Because this hurts the credibility of a film that is very IMPORTANT. I want Jason to make movies, but I also want him to improve, and become an even better film maker. Critique is so often misunderstood as someone not caring, when in fact it's the opposite. 

Yes, you're right I could do more, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making or it's legitimacy. Attacking me for pointing out the obvious is counterproductive.

And checking facts isn't old. Not doing it is sloppy. I know this isn't on purpose, but it could EASILY have been prevented.

I'm not usually negative like this, but people here in my country, who aren't awake, would reach the conclusion I stated above imo - more often than not I'm afraid.

[jeremystalked1]

And checking facts isn't old. Not doing it is sloppy. I know this isn't on purpose, but it could EASILY have been prevented.

I'm not usually negative like this, but people here in my country, who aren't awake, would reach the conclusion I stated above imo - more often than not I'm afraid.

As I'm fond of telling my community, if our cause depends on not saying one single thing that can be spun against us, we're screwed.

Acknowledge that there are mistakes - they're pretty minor - and when someone brings up those mistakes, be ready to talk about them.  A few DVD's aren't going to make a difference without an army on the ground evangelizing the facts behind those movies.

[Dig]

I wasn't joking. I was pissed off. Because this hurts the credibility of a film that is very IMPORTANT. I want Jason to make movies, but I also want him to improve, and become an even better film maker. Critique is so often misunderstood as someone not caring, when in fact it's the opposite.  

Yes, you're right I could do more, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making or it's legitimacy. Attacking me for pointing out the obvious is counterproductive.

And checking facts isn't old. Not doing it is sloppy. I know this isn't on purpose, but it could EASILY have been prevented.

I'm not usually negative like this, but people here in my country, who aren't awake, would reach the conclusion I stated above imo - more often than not I'm afraid.

pissed off at what?

BRIC has been innuendo-ing the inclusion of Indonesia for over 2 years, documented, confirmed, in the public record.

if this hurts your credibility then you may not understand what the word credibility means.

bric was fabricated by goldman sachs in like 2002 and the new summit even includes south africa and china has departed the meeting early...a loose knit group at best.

just do a google search of indonesia bric

i can understand some clarification is in order, but your baby momma drama about it is odd.

[DanishD00D]

The next time Jason makes a movie, my hope would be he'd go:

'Now we're gonna sit down and watch this thing and make sure every little detail is 100% correct, 'cause otherwise those anal retentive jerk wannabees will bitch like there's no tomorrow on the forum'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

In economics, BRIC (typically rendered as "the BRICs" or "the BRIC  countries") is a grouping acronym that refers to the related economies of Brazil, Russia, India, and China.

[Dig]

The next time Jason makes a movie, my hope would be he'd go:

'Now we're gonna sit down and watch this thing and make sure every little detail is 100% correct, 'cause otherwise those anal retentive jerk wannabees will bitch like there's no tomorrow on the forum'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

In economics, BRIC (typically rendered as "the BRICs" or "the BRIC  countries") is a grouping acronym that refers to the related economies of Brazil, Russia, India, and China.

keep reading and git ureself edumacated. then also look beyond the almighty oracles at wikipedia so that you can be better prepared to face attacks on your sensitive ego. as far as what you wrote above the superficial wiki quote, makes sense. Now try and find something else, we are already well informed about the BRIC clarification.

[Monkeypox]

I wasn't joking. I was pissed off. Because this hurts the credibility of a film that is very IMPORTANT. I want Jason to make movies, but I also want him to improve, and become an even better film maker. Critique is so often misunderstood as someone not caring, when in fact it's the opposite.  

Yes, you're right I could do more, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making or it's legitimacy. Attacking me for pointing out the obvious is counterproductive.

And checking facts isn't old. Not doing it is sloppy. I know this isn't on purpose, but it could EASILY have been prevented.

I'm not usually negative like this, but people here in my country, who aren't awake, would reach the conclusion I stated above imo - more often than not I'm afraid.

Calm down Nancy.  Don't get your panties all in a bunch.

If in a two-plus hour documentary the only errors we can find are that Indonesia is mentioned in place of India, and Hitler was said to have been Times Man of The Year Twice instead of once, I think we're doing pretty good.

I don't think I've ever seen a documentary yet where there wasn't an error or two.

[SpeakUpFightBack]

The next time Jason makes a movie, my hope would be he'd go:

'Now we're gonna sit down and watch this thing and make sure every little detail is 100% correct, 'cause otherwise those anal retentive jerk wannabees will bitch like there's no tomorrow on the forum'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRIC

In economics, BRIC (typically rendered as "the BRICs" or "the BRIC  countries") is a grouping acronym that refers to the related economies of Brazil, Russia, India, and China.

Forget the trolls and MSM ... if you can sit someone down and get them to watch Invisible Empire (Loose Change and/or Fabled Enemies) from beginning to end then the last thing of concern is India/Indonesia confusion. It will be the fact Jason called Bush Sr. the 43rd president (really the 41st president).* LMAO!!! Not really sure why these tiny errors are of any concern. Jason brilliantly exposed the ruling elite's love affair with the idea of a "New World Order" and brilliantly exposed the standout 9/11 precursors (big lies) - Gulf of Tonkin, Reagan Assassination attempt, Iran Contra, 1993 WTC Bombing, OKC Bombing. This is what we should be highlighting. And detractors can go suck an Indonesia!!!

* 1:14:30 Hour/Min/Sec

[chrisfromchi]

my only critism is that it should have had this kissigner on cnbc about obama clip in it as a closer to the film or the closing of his section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8

The intro to the movie really grabs people thats the first reviews along with its , i got i'll get more this weekend.

[SpeakUpFightBack]

my only critism is that it should have had this kissigner on cnbc about obama clip in it as a closer to the film or the closing of his section.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SISUIhprOa8

The intro to the movie really grabs people thats the first reviews along with its , i got i'll get more this weekend.

+1

[AlphaM]

Bermie mixed up the two Bushes.  Papi Bush was the 41st President, not 43rd.

[PhoenixJunta]

Bermie mixed up the two Bushes.  Papi Bush was the 41st President, not 43rd.

Do you think that will make Bermas look bad if he mixed them up? I hope the DVD version had corrected this. God I hope so.

[Dig]

Bermie mixed up the two Bushes.  Papi Bush was the 41st President, not 43rd.

thought i heard that, good one. Time Stamp: 1:14:35 thanks.

now we have 3 clarifications:

1] India is the main I in BRIC even though the group is loosely knit and for over two years people have been pushing the idea that Indonesia is either part of a widening group, or should be. 1:35:40

2] Hitler was Time Man of the Year only once, Stalin was twice, even though Hitler was on the cover on other occasions. 9:04

3] Poppie Bush is 41, and W is 43. 1:14:35

[Dig]

Do you think that will make Bermas look bad if he mixed them up? I hope the DVD version had corrected this. God I hope so.

Well this thread is mainly for exposing the issues that require clarification. So far in 30 hours there are 3 issues that have been clarified out of over 1,000. Maybe 10 seconds out of 8,000. I doubt you will find anything delivering more truthful messages with less minor clarifications required.

[xopatriot]

How many unions are they looking to form at this point? Does any one have that list?

[ImmortalTRUTH]

Invisible Empire issues to bring up before MSM nonsensical spinning starts

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=167008.0


BLOOMBERG:
Time for Goldman to Add Indonesia to the BRICs

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a4WdXv9R98KQ&refer=home


Indonesia: another Bric in the wall

http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/stock-markets/indonesia-another-bric-in-the-wall-44108.aspx

Indonesia: The Fifth BRIC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1279824019

[Dig]

Invisible Empire issues to bring up before MSM nonsensical spinning starts

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=167008.0


BLOOMBERG:
Time for Goldman to Add Indonesia to the BRICs

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=a4WdXv9R98KQ&refer=home


Indonesia: another Bric in the wall

http://www.moneyweek.com/investments/stock-markets/indonesia-another-bric-in-the-wall-44108.aspx

Indonesia: The Fifth BRIC

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1279824019

also, the acronym was manufactured by Goldman Sachs in the first place to identify their future targets.