Does the banker-owned "U.S." government have the moral high-ground on nukes?

[Geolibertarian]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/iranian-ayatollah-war-within-weeks.html

Iranian Ayatollah: “War Within Weeks”

Iran prepared for strike on nuclear facilities in September or October

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Wednesday, August 1, 2012

Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told top Iranian military chiefs to expect “war within weeks,” at a recent war council meeting, according to Israeli news outlet DebkaFile.

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE5c_9reXz4

“While retaliation had been exhaustively drilled in regular military exercises in the past year, Khamenei ordered the biggest fortification project in Iran’s history to save its nuclear program from even the mightiest of America’s super-weapons. Rocks are being gathered from afar, piled on key nuclear installations, covered with many tons of poured concrete and finally plated with steel,” states the report.

Despite more substantive reports speculating that any decision to attack Iran on behalf of Israel had been delayed until spring 2013, a parallel narrative that a military strike could take place in September or October has been doing the rounds more recently.

Whether the DebkaFile report is accurate or not, Iran has finalized preparations for conflict with its recent announcement that plans for closing the Strait of Hormuz, a key choke point through which 33% of the world’s oil shipments pass every day, are now complete.

The United States responded last month by sending underwater sea drones that would find and destroy mines and prevent Iran from being able to block the Strait.

U.S. aircraft carriers Eisenhower and Enterprise remain stationed in the waters surrounding Iran supported by several smaller attack ships.

Although U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta denied reports that his upcoming trip to Israel would include discussions on a potential time frame for attacking Iran’s nuclear facilities, during a recent visit presidential candidate Mitt Romney signaled that he would back an assault by the Jewish state.

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[Geolibertarian]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/us-and-israel-use-propaganda-and-proxy-war-in-syria-to-pave-path-toward-iran.html

US and Israel Use Propaganda and Proxy War in Syria to Pave Path Toward Iran

Susanne Posel
Prisonplanet.com
Sept 7, 2012

Mohammed Morsi, Muslim Brotherhood member and current president of Egypt, warned Syrian President Bashar Assad to step down “before it’s too late”. At a meeting of the Arab foreign ministers in Cairo, Egypt, Morsi stated that he would not tolerate non-Arab influence in his country. He had harsh words for the “non-aligned movement” that he claims has taken over in Iran and gave his full support of the CIA-sponsored terrorist group, the Free Syrian Army, who are waging a proxy war in Syria on behalf of the US and Israel.

At the same meeting, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan spoke harshly toward Assad claiming:

The regime has become one of state terrorism. Syria is going through a huge humanitarian saga. Unfortunately, as usual, the international community is merely watching the slaughter, massacre and the elimination of Muslims.

Syria’s allies, Iran, Russia and China have publicly stated their support for the sovereign nation and condemned the Zionist attack aimed at forcing Assad out of presidency in order to install a pre-approved pasty to take over the country.

In the mainstream media, claims that Iran is arming Syria with military equipment with shipments flying over Iraq are lending to the propaganda campaign against Iran as the next target of the Obama and Netanyahu campaign to take over all Middle Eastern nations.

According to Mohsen Sazegara, an Iranian pro-democracy activist who lives in the US, the Iranian agenda is to help Syria remain independent. Sazegara condemns the US approach as he explains:

Plan B is that, if they can’t keep him in power, they will try to make another Iraq or another Afghanistan – civil war – then you can create another Hezbollah.

Israeli media is reporting that the US is planning to “supply Israel with advanced Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP) bunker-buster bombs that can penetrate through up to 60 feet (almost 20 meters) of reinforced concrete.”

These bombs have finished manufacture according to the Pentagon with the taxpayer price tag of more than $200 million for 30 bombs.

This “gift” would “make the job of demolishing Iran’s nuclear weapon production array more feasible for Israel, should it decide to do so.”

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[Geolibertarian]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/panetta-u-s-will-attack-iran-if-it-decides-to-build-nuke.html

Panetta: U.S. Will Attack Iran if It Decides to Build Nuke

Kurt Nimmo
Prisonplanet.com
September 11, 2012

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said Tuesday that if Iran decides to build a nuclear weapon the United States will take military action.

“We have the forces in place to be able to not only defend ourselves, but to do what we have to do to try to stop them from developing nuclear weapons,” he said.

Despite evidence to the contrary, the United States and Israel claim they believe the Islamic Republic is working toward building a nuclear weapon. Israel has repeatedly threatened to attack Iran and has criticized the U.S. for fence-sitting.

The intelligence community in the U.S. released a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) in 2007 indicating Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. This resulted in the U.S. taking military action against Iran off the agenda.

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[AllSight]

@ Geolibertarian.

I really want to credit you big time.
I am somebody completely involved to geo politics, economics and all the other subjects discusses on truth sites as these. Regardless of my post count as I haven't been involved on this community as of yet.
Most of what you tell though is on general basis part of my wisdom. Being aware on a general basis that Al-Qaeda is U.S. government funded was once a first step for truth just to give an example.

However, you so accurately hand over all the details, hidden/unpopular news articles and the inside chess moves on the board. It gives me and others a whole battle/game and geopolitical report involving names, institutions, operations and more.

I really feel satisfied to read proper information of yours. Whenever I read your ports and/or click one of your directing website links in your threads. I read actual reports and transparent legitimacy to your claims to link the details together that even more so guarantee the general information of truth.

I hail you and I hope you and your team can steadily continue your spread of wisdom and your magnificent construct of posts.
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Credits from me to you, and anybody next to you contributing to your job on this site.
I ""wish"" you a long and productive life

[Geolibertarian]

@ Geolibertarian.

I really want to credit you big time.

Thanks.

I am somebody completely involved to geo politics, economics and all the other subjects discusses on truth sites as these. Regardless of my post count as I haven't been involved on this community as of yet. Most of what you tell though is on general basis part of my wisdom. Being aware on a general basis that Al-Qaeda is U.S. government funded was once a first step for truth just to give an example.

However, you so accurately hand over all the details, hidden/unpopular news articles and the inside chess moves on the board. It gives me and others a whole battle/game and geopolitical report involving names, institutions, operations and more.

Some call it "connecting the dots." Sort of like a jigsaw puzzle: if you put all the pieces together, one sees the big picture; if not, one sees only a confusing assortment of "disconnected facts" (to quote John Taylor Gatto).

I really feel satisfied to read proper information of yours. Whenever I read your ports and/or click one of your directing website links in your threads. I read actual reports and transparent legitimacy to your claims to link the details together that even more so guarantee the general information of truth.

That's the whole idea. It's disheartening that more people don't seem to fully appreciate this.

I ""wish"" you a long and productive life

And I, you -- and everyone else (including those not fond of me for whatever reason). But that wish won't come true for any of us if World War III breaks out. Hence this thread.

[Geolibertarian]

http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2013/02/25/former-insiders-criticise-iran-policy-as-us-hegemony/

Former Insiders Criticize Iran Policy as US Hegemony

by Gareth Porter
February 26, 2013

“Going to Tehran” arguably represents the most important work on the subject of U.S.-Iran relations to be published thus far.

Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett tackle not only U.S. policy toward Iran but the broader context of Middle East policy with a systematic analytical perspective informed by personal experience, as well as very extensive documentation.



More importantly, however, their exposé required a degree of courage that may be unparalleled in the writing of former U.S. national security officials about issues on which they worked. They have chosen not just to criticize U.S. policy toward Iran but to analyse that policy as a problem of U.S. hegemony.

Their national security state credentials are impeccable. They both served at different times as senior coordinators dealing with Iran on the National Security Council Staff, and Hillary Mann Leverett was one of the few U.S. officials who have been authorised to negotiate with Iranian officials.

Both wrote memoranda in 2003 urging the George W. Bush administration to take the Iranian “roadmap” proposal for bilateral negotiations seriously but found policymakers either uninterested or powerless to influence the decision. Hillary Mann Leverett even has a connection with the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), having interned with that lobby group as a youth.

After leaving the U.S. government in disagreement with U.S. policy toward Iran, the Leveretts did not follow the normal pattern of settling into the jobs where they would support the broad outlines of the U.S. role in world politics in return for comfortable incomes and continued access to power.

Instead, they have chosen to take a firm stand in opposition to U.S. policy toward Iran, criticising the policy of the Barack Obama administration as far more aggressive than is generally recognised. They went even farther, however, contesting the consensus view in Washington among policy wonks, news media and Iran human rights activists that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s election in June 2009 was fraudulent.

The Leveretts’ uncompromising posture toward the policymaking system and those outside the government who support U.S. policy has made them extremely unpopular in Washington foreign policy elite circles. After talking to some of their antagonists, The New Republic even passed on the rumor that the Leveretts had become shills for oil companies and others who wanted to do business with Iran.

The problem for the establishment, however, is that they turned out to be immune to the blandishments that normally keep former officials either safely supportive or quiet on national security issues that call for heated debate.

In “Going to Tehran”, the Leveretts elaborate on the contrarian analysis they have been making on their blog (formerly “The Race for Iran” and now “Going to Tehran”) They take to task those supporting U.S. systematic pressures on Iran for substituting wishful thinking that most Iranians long for secular democracy, and offer a hard analysis of the history of the Iranian revolution.

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[Geolibertarian]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/elitists-continue-to-push-for-war-with-iran.html

Elitists Continue to Push For War With Iran

James P. Tucker Jr.
American Free Press
March 14, 2013

President Obama, who takes dictation from Bilderberg, has done an about-face. After having been critical of Israel’s expansionist wars in the past, he is visiting Israel for the first time March 20 to grovel apologies.

“This trip is a signal that the president has an interest in . . . the broader concerns that Israel is facing,” said Dennis Ross, a Bilderberg luminary and senior Middle East adviser in Obama’s first term. “It will be the president traveling to Israel to ask for a new beginning.” (He will also be “asking” for a Middle East war.)

In June 2009, Obama said “the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements” in Palestinian lands after the 1967 invasion of Egypt and Golan heights. Obama had also been critical of Israel’s brutal occupation of Palestinian land, including killing and torturing men, old women and children. Now, Obama is embracing Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and increasing aid to Israel. These heads of state will discuss military attacks on Iran to prevent the development of “nuclear weapons.”

Iran is a signatory to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and promises not to develop nuclear weapons. Its facilities are inspected regularly. Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades but refuses to sign onto international agreements that regulate nuclear weapons. Additionally, Israel refuses to allow nuclear inspectors a peek.

On March 1, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi, an MIT-trained engineer, said the nuclear negotiations were “on the right track and moving in the right direction.

“Our case is neither like North Korea’s nor Libya’s,” Salehi said. “It will be resolved. We have nothing to hide and we have always been clean.”

The warmongers persist, however.

“Iran has a long track record for feints, misdirection and failure to deliver,” said Clifford Kupchan, a former State Department official and Middle East analyst for Eurasia Group, a consulting firm with Bilderberg ties.

During a March 4 reception in Washington, D.C., Bilderberg attendee Richard Perle was overheard by an AMERICAN FREE PRESS source pressing for war with the Persian country. Perle callously claimed that a war with Iran would only take “two or three days” and the U.S. military “would have low casualties.”

Perle is best known as one of the leading architects behind President George W. Bush’s war on Iraq, arguing that the U.S. military needed only 40K soldiers to take over the country. Ten years later, Perle has been proven wrong on Iraq. He is also wrong on Iran. A war against the Iranian people would be a disaster for America.

[Geolibertarian]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-signals-iran-attack-ahead-of-israel-visit.html

Obama Signals Iran Attack Ahead of Israel Visit

Kurt Nimmo
Prison Planet.com
March 15, 2013

Disregarding earlier statements made by U.S. and Israel intelligence, Obama told Israeli Channel 2 that it will take Iran a year to develop a nuclear weapon.

“Right now, we think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon, but obviously we don’t want to cut it too close,” Obama said.

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kduK_zajA0 (Obama-Iran more than a year from nuclear weapon)

The International Atomic Energy Agency, the Pentagon, leaders in the Israeli military and intelligence agencies in the United States and Israel have all concluded that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program, is not building a nuclear weapon, and has yet to decide if it will build one.

“The intelligence we have is they have not made the decision to proceed with the development a nuclear weapon,” outgoing Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said in February. “I can’t tell you they are in fact pursuing a weapon, because that’s what not intelligence say they’re doing right now.”

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-8ZuvdG78 (Panetta on Iran)

“They are not yet at the point I think where they’ve made a fundamental decision to get right with the international community,” Obama insisted, “but I do think that they’re recognizing that there’s a severe cost for them to continue on the path that they’re on and that there’s another door open.”

Obama is preparing to visit Israel next week where the building momentum to attack the Islamic Republic is expected to take center stage.

“When I’m consulting with Bibi, as I have over the last several years on this issue, my message to him will be the same as before: If we can resolve it diplomatically that is a more lasting solution,” Obama told the Israel television channel. “But if not, I continue to keep all options on the table.”

In early March, vice president Joe Biden issued a stern warning to Iran. “Let me make clear what that commitment is: It is to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. Period. End of discussion. Prevent — not contain – prevent,” Biden said during a speech delivered to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

“Big nations can’t bluff. And presidents of the United States cannot and do not bluff. And President Barack Obama is not bluffing,” Biden said. “He is not bluffing.”

Obama said sanctions imposed on Iran are “having a significant effect” and will cause the Iranians to think twice about developing a nuclear weapon, according to ABC News.

In December, researcher Mehrnaz Shahabi wrote about the effect sanctions are having on the Iranian people. In addition to destroying the country’s economy and creating commodity shortages and unemployment, the sanctions have seriously effected the availability of drugs and the health of the population, Shahabi writes.

“The regime in power rarely feels the effects of sanctions,” adds Rich Rubino. “Instead, it is the average citizen who bears the burden of sanctions.”

Like the savage war waged on Iraq by George W. Bush and his father, the goal is not to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon the former Secretary of Defense and intelligence agencies in the United States and Israel say the country is not developing. It is designed to destroy the country and reduce it to failed state status in the same way Iraq was converted into a failed state riven by sectarian and political violence.

Like Somalia, Sudan, Zimbabwe, and Chad, Iraq was considered on the edge to total collapse in 2008 following a 2003 invasion predicated on a weapons of mass destruction capability the country did not possess.

[eddy64]

well Israel just apologised to turkey :-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/israel-apologises-gaza-flotilla-raid-150921217.html

Kurdish rebels want to make peace :-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/turkish-pm-says-kurdish-peace-moves-open-sabotage-151231319.html


those actions make me suspicious that an attack on iran is being planned soon.

[Geolibertarian]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/dangerous-crossroads-the-threat-of-a-pre-emptive-nuclear-war-directed-against-iran/5328466

Dangerous Crossroads: The Threat of a Pre-emptive Nuclear War directed against Iran

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, March 26, 2013
RT Op-Edge 25 March 2013

For more than a decade, Iran has been doggedly accused without evidence of developing nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic is relentlessly portrayed by the Western media as a threat to the security of Israel and of the Western World.



In a bitter irony, the assessment of America’s Intelligence Community concerning Iran’s alleged nuclear weapons capabilities refutes the barrage of media disinformation as well as the bellicose statements emanating from the White House. The 2007 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE): “judges with high confidence that in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” (2007 National Intelligence Estimate Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities; November 2007, See also Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI))

“We assess with moderate confidence Tehran had not restarted its nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.
 
- We continue to assess with moderate-to-high confidence that Iran does not currently have a nuclear weapon.
 
- Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005. Our assessment that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously.” (2007 National Intelligence Estimate Iran: Nuclear Intentions and Capabilities; November 2007)

In February 2011, The Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper (image right) – while presenting the 2011 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) to the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence – intimated -with some hesitation – that the Islamic Republic was not seeking to develop nuclear weapons capabilities: “we do not know if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons.”


 
The 2011 NIE largely confirms the findings undertaken by the US intelligence community in the 2007 NIE, which remains, according to The New York Times, “the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.”

Post 9/11 pre-emptive nuclear war doctrine
 
First formulated in the Bush administration’s 2002 ‘Nuclear Posture Review’, the pre-emptive nuclear war doctrine -integrated into the Global War on Terrorism – started to take shape in the immediate wake of the war on Iraq. A pre-emptive ‘defensive’ nuclear attack on Iran using tactical nuclear weapons was envisaged to annihilate the Islamic Republic’s non-existent nuclear weapons program.

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[Geolibertarian]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/multibillion-dollar-war-budgets-proponents-of-first-strike-nuclear-war-against-iran-rob-billions-from-their-own-citizens/5334289

Multibillion Dollar War Budgets: Proponents of ‘First Strike’ Nuclear War against Iran Rob billions from their own Citizens

By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, May 08, 2013
RT Op-Edge 10 April 2013



While the Pentagon’s modernization budget for the pre-emptive nuclear option is a modest ten billion dollars (excluding the outlay by NATO countries). the budget for upgrading the US arsenal of “strategic nuclear offensive forces” is a staggering $352 billion over ten years. (See Russell Rumbaugh and Nathan Cohn, “Resolving Ambiguity: Costing Nuclear Weapons,” Stimson Center Report, June 2012).

These multi-billion military outlays allocated to develop “bigger and better nuclear bombs” are financed by the massive economic austerity measures currently applied in US and NATO countries.

The war economy is largely funded by compressing all categories of civilian government expenditure. In the US, these refurbished state of the art nuclear bombs are largely funded by the dramatic cuts in Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

Humanity is at a dangerous crossroads. America is a “Killer State”. The gamut of economic austerity measures impoverish the American people while generously funding the “Killer State” through multi-billion dollar contracts with Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, Raytheon et al.

War preparations to attack Iran are in “an advanced state of readiness”. Hi tech weapons systems including nuclear warheads are fully deployed.

At the height of an Economic Depression, “War is Good for Business”.

Escalation is part of the military agenda. While Iran, is the next target together with Syria and Lebanon, the US-NATO military agenda also threatens Russia, China and North Korea.

The Western media, the Washington Think Tanks, the scientists and politicians, in chorus, obfuscate the untold truth, namely that war using nuclear warheads threatens the future of humanity.

The real threat to global security emanates from the US-NATO-Israel alliance.

The main actors in the Iran pre-emptive nuclear warfare

Thermo-nuclear weapons are deployed by the three “official” Nuclear Weapons States (NWS) of the Atlantic Alliance, namely the US, the UK and France. The official NWS status is established under the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Five other NATO member countries (categorized under the NPT as “non-nuclear states”), namely Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Turkey, possess an arsenal of B61 tactical nuclear warheads or “mini-nukes” (Made in America) which are deployed under national military command and are targeted at Iran. The B61 can be delivered by a variety of different aircraft.

Are these five countries in violation of the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty of which they are signatories?

In relation to ongoing war plans, the US-NATO-Israel military alliance includes a total of nine countries which possess a nuclear weapons arsenal:

The three official NWS (US, UK, France) plus the five “Undeclared Nuclear States” (Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Italy and Turkey) plus the State of Israel (Undeclared Nuclear State). With the exception of Israel, these countries are signatories of the NPT.

Pre-emptive Nuclear Warfare

While reports tend to depict the tactical B61 bombs as a relic of the Cold war, the mini nukes are the preferred weapons system for pre-emptive nuclear war. Were an attack directed against Iran to be launched involving the deployment of B61 bunker buster nuclear bombs, these five countries, with Turkey and Italy in the forefront, would play a major strategic role.

The involvement of these five “non nuclear states” as major actors in a US sponsored pre-emptive nuclear war raises the issue of definition and categorization of nuclear weapons states. In the words of Time Magazine:

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[DireWolf]

Can there be a moral high ground where weapons of mass destruction are concerned? Are we as men wise enough to foresee the repercussions caused by our actions, multi-generations into the future?

Man's heart is not pure as is evident by our everyday actions. Those who have the control of these weapons are men and as such are subject to all the sins and vices that befall everyone who is of flesh.

Lies upon lies throughout our history have clouded the collective conscience and by controlling knowledge have the masses been blinded.

Use of such weapons in any venue is monstrous, any such action should be ferreted out and if found the use was not the last resort, those responsible should be held accountable to the nth degree, lead that where it may.

[Dorrogeray]

How about moral high ground on DU?

Of course, every such use is only a precedents in the making for a more massive use of such and even deadlier weapons in the future. Nobody would be talking nuking Iran if Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not glassed back than. And back then they were glassed precisely so this class of weapons could be used more conveniently in the future.

[truthful]

Hi all, Im a new member to this site and to this blog / forum stuff so please bare with me on how I learn the ways of this stuff. I dont know my way around this site or what goes where so please forgive me if im putting my opinions in the wrong place.                                                         
                                                                           I have read some of the opinions posted on some of these pages, and as I watch the news stations from around the world on stories, from around the world. I cant help but yell at my tv for how blind, the majority of people in the world can be. I read posts and listen to feeds on shows like this infowars, and do believe that there are real people out there, who do want to make changes in the worlds currant affairs. I believe that although many people on here do want to stop this rolling train of deception, and pure terrorism buy governments like the U S and britian. I feel that many americian people do voice their opinions on how wrong their governments policies are, and how their rights are being stolen. I do believe that the problem with todays world troubles, lies squarely with these two countries. I lived in the united states for many years through 9/11, and watched as grown men and women cried over this issue. As I watched this false flag unfurl, I could do nothing but bow my head in disbelief at how patriotic the americian people are. It is this, that I believe, is the carrot before the donkey, so to speak. which allows the U S government to do as they please, not only to other countries around the world, but to the americian people also. My children went to school in the U S,  coming from another , I told my children to pretend to resight the pledge. I do believe that this pledge is brainwashing, and leads people to fallow a false sense of security. I feel that the americian government has for many years, programed their citizians to accept everything that they do throughtout the world and at home, right or wrong. I feel as though nothing in this world, will ever change, until the americian people stand up, and put and end to their governments policies at home and abroad, will things ever change. I have noticed that americians are now starting to rise as they are on the receiving end of U S wrong doings. where were all these people when their government caused havok to others around the world, for many years on the instruction of their bankers. while the americian people beileved, that their government would never do such a thing. This  programming of the mind has been well thought out over many years, by these bankers, and rich men who control the U S and British governments. Americia is the greatest country in the world, ask any americian, he will tell you, and as we all know, sh*t rolls downhill, and when cleaning sh*t up, one starts shoveling from the top down. stop your governments policies overseas, and pledges to a government of puppets lead by rich men.

[Dorrogeray]

Do not confuse mindless flagwaving with patriotism.

Also, welcome to the forum!