Where are FEMA documents regarding clergy and martial law?

[Brent]

Question about this story:  http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/160807_clergy_martial_law.html

Where is the FEMA document mentioned on the air regarding this story?  I did find one document that discusses bird flu but it doesn't mention anything about turning in firearms, martial law, or concentration camps:
http://www.infowars.com/images2/ps/pastor_fema_docs.pdf  Where is the document that covers the turn-in of firearms and martial law?

[JTCoyoté]

Here is the PDF... http://www.infowars.com/images2/ps/pastor_fema_docs.pdf ...Try to remember back to Katrina... and the pictures of soldiers going house to house taking arms especially in the high and dry areas... Remember...?

Only military and police have weapons... the people have ARMS... Katrina was a dry run.... Remember all this when you read the transcript of the KSLA-TV broadcast that Alex played the audio of today... --Oldyoti

"If war is the continuation of politics by other means, terrorism is the continuation of war by other means".
-- Where the Right Went Wrong -- Pat Buchanan

[Brent]

JTCoyote:

The document for which you posted a link doesn't have the information that supports the KLSA news story.  This PDF file doesn't mention firearms, it doesn't mention martial law -- it only discusses the bird flu.

Yes, I have seen the videos of goons running around in New Orleans threatening people, breaking into their houses, and confiscating peoples' firearms, so I know what the government is willing to do.  However, I want to see the smoking gun document that shows FEMA has enlisted pastors to help out with their firearms confiscations.  Alex mentioned on his radio show that the complete documents were available at Pastor Butch's web site, so I cruised on over to http://www.calltodecision.com/church_news.htm  However, I can't find any smoking gun documents over there either.  So far, the few times that I have checked out Alex's claims, I have been able to find corroborating source documents, but on this one I can't.

If this story is true, it needs to go out to all of the gun rights groups, but right now I've got no documents to provide to them.  If I send the gun rights activists the PDF about the bird flu and cite it as evidence that pastors are going to try to get their parishioners to turn in their firearms, people are going to write me off as a kook because it doesn't even remotely support the thesis of the story that was broadcast on KSLA.

If this document is all that Alex has, can you please ask him to get some more convincing documents and have them posted?

Thanks

[Dig]

Hey Brent,

This smoking Gun document is one of the clearest pieces of evidence I have ever seen prior to the government crime [I wish AJ had the MK Ultra docs before we were torturing 4 year old girls to mind control them].  As far as the firearms ban, that is another piece of the puzzle.  Katrina/New Orleans was the staging grounds.  Most of the documents went through Blackwater that enforced the tagging and bagging of random gun owners [In addition to their shoot on site policy].  When you look at the outsourcing of domestic police action, the stasi recruiting, the military spy planes controlling domestic surveillance, the false flag attacks to promote preemptive detainment of suspected thought criminals, the serial killing psychopath in the VP position, the market crash and bailout and crash again, the burning of the 4th amendment with the new illegal FISA sham, and now the pastors being trained to guide the masses to a tyrinical regime then in my opinion the evidence is quite overwhelming.  I have read your posts and know you probably agree with me, however it seems we are always questioned as to "this document" or "show me the evidence" disinfo agents or just weak Citizens.

So I am telling you right now as sure as I have breath in my lungs - THIS SHIT IS REAL!  Like for real, for real.  We are being guided to get lost in a maze of "proving points" piece by piece and it is also my opinion that this is holding up a 90% awakening of the American Citizenry as well as the absolute truth about the events of 9/11/2001.

There is no doubt in any sane person's mind that building 7 exploded like a Vegas Controlled Demolition.  There is no doubt that the administration lied nemerous times about foreknowledge.  There is no doubt that powerful entities that have infiltrated our government are using the event to bring on a totalitarian regime.

We will post as many of these documents as possible, and I do appreciate your zeal for flushing out the details.  I am just wondering if it would be sufficient for you to understand the broader meaning in the clergy document when combining it with the other declassified projects.  If it is not, I am not sure that we can locate a comprehensive declassified document that outlines the entire plan.  And to be honest with you, I think many times they just wing it anyway.

I hope that helps.

[MountainResistance]

no no no no no

pastor butch is the one who had the documents or manuals.  he faxed them to the infowars office and they tracked that back to him.  fine.  so it was faxed to the office then it is in ya'lls possession so post it up and let us read this stuff and shut up the disinfo idiots and the doubters.  just post it so we can read it and then everyone can start "gearing up"

power to the resistance!

[MountainResistance]

Listened again.  They are supposed to be at www.pastorbutch.com  under "church news" but i can't find it. somebody message me if you find them.

[Brent]

There is no doubt in any sane person's mind that building 7 exploded like a Vegas Controlled Demolition.  There is no doubt that the administration lied nemerous times about foreknowledge.  There is no doubt that powerful entities that have infiltrated our government are using the event to bring on a totalitarian regime. I agree that there is extremely strong evidence to support all of these points, but it doesn't have anything to do with the issue I'm trying to deal with.

We will post as many of these documents as possible, and I do appreciate your zeal for flushing out the details.  I am just wondering if it would be sufficient for you to understand the broader meaning in the clergy document when combining it with the other declassified projects.

I already understand the broad picture.  I'm looking for documents which support the KSLA story.  http://www.infowars.com/images2/ps/pastor_fema_docs.pdf is not a smoking gun document that supports the story -- all it does is talk about plans for dealing with the Bird Flu.  I'm not requesting the supporting documents for myself, they are for a gun rights organization to which I belong, and they don't care about the Bird Flu.

[JP Mitchell]

I agree with Brent. Gun activists won't back this up based on a Bird Flu document. I'm sure they will want something more, some harder proof if martial law were to be imposed by President Bush or our government.

I'm sure our government will go to the extent of martial law within a few months from now up to a few weeks before the 2008 Presidential Elections.

I would imagine there is a better document floating around somewhere? In someone's hands?

[Dig]

I dearly hope that you guys are aware of the bird flu false flag that is also planned to have you give up your guns and head to concentration camps.  If not, then you have now been forewarned.  To get a good idea of the plan to stick us in cages after the "bird flu" false flag, watch "children of men." Please share that as well with your compatriots. 

But back to the point at hand... I will continue looking for whatever hard copies I can that will help to get the truth out.  I will also try in the future to not appear so arrogant.

Thanks for your patience.

[barcode]

Honestly... when FEMA briefs these clergy before they are dispatched into an area how hard will it be to sell them on the fact that gun collection is "beneficial to avoid violence"  The document doesn't smack you on the head with "you as clergy will be authorized and assigned the task of gun confiscation" so unfortunately you won't be able to take this to your gun rights organization sorry to dissappoint you.  This document is intended to empower clergy to soothe the public in a crisis, however the specific execution of it WILL BE DETERMINED BY THOSE THAT BRIEF THEM!!  And if you think FEMA, or the military can't, or won't, stretch this to include gun confiscation then maybe check this link and show THIS to your gun rights group...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

or this...

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/second_amendment/0506r/

And if, after showing these off someone pipes up about a Jindal bill, the wording does not apply to Clergy, or Military.

How about YOU google "new orleans katrina gun confiscation" and see what comes up!  People listen up.  I don't work for Alex Jones, hell I don't even live in the US!  I just don't wanna see what's GOING to happen to y'all also happen up here and when you nitt-pick on details you just antagonize someone who is really trying to help and look out for your best interest.  Remember, if the smoking gun doesn't shoot you in the ass, try googling for it.  Sorry, but antagonists just piss me off.

[Gator]

Confiscating arms under martial law is nothing new, hell, they can confiscate gold if they need to also !  Power is power, sheepal must submit and obey !  It's for your own good, so take your medication and go to sleep ! 

[Brent]

barcode, you haven't shown me anything I haven't already seen.  In fact, I have published the video regarding the Katrina confiscations you mention on a web site I operate.  The NRA dealt with the problem by getting the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006 passed which is supposed to prohibit these types of actions:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Recovery_Personal_Protection_Act_of_2006

If FEMA is actually doing what is alleged in the KLSA news report, then there is likely a violation of federal law being committed.  This is why it is important to get documented proof of what FEMA is doing, so that the national organizations (NRA, GOA, SAF, etc.) can take action and address the issue.  The bird flu document doesn't cut it.

[Dig]

Hey Brent....show this to your NRA Buddies:
________________________________________
More Than 200 Guns Exchanged For Shoes
116 Guns Turned In Last Year
http://www.local6.com/news/13915370/detail.html
POSTED: 10:42 am EDT August 17, 2007
UPDATED: 1:49 pm EDT August 17, 2007

ORLANDO, Fla. -- In an effort to get guns off the streets of Central Florida, officials are offering residents a free pair of shoes or a $50 gift card if they turn in a gun.

The annual Kicks-For-Guns campaign is being held on Friday at the Florida Citrus Bowl in downtown Orlando and at the Pine Castle Woman's Club, located at Oak Ridge Road and South Orange Avenue in Orange County.

This year, Orlando police, the Orange County Sheriff's Office, Real Radio 104.1 and Rumba 100.3 are hosting the event.

[Lazaraki]

@Sane this happens everywhere where police try to get rid of guns from teens and stuff. These might all be ellegal guns. You think if this was a nationwide confiscation people will give them up?  I think not.

go to http://www.nra.org/ and listen to NEWS about guns.

[quicksilvercrescendo]

On the recent radio show Pastor Butch commented the documents regarding the clergy and methods to quell the populace and turn in firearms are available on Pastor Butch's site.  Alex stated he is in possession of those documents.  On August 20th Alex stated that it is hundreds of documents and prisonplanet only posted a few of them.  WHERE ARE THESE FEW DOCUMENTS POSTED ON PRISONPLANET ALEX IS SPEAKING ABOUT AND/OR WHERE ARE THESE DOCUMENTS ON PASTOR BUTCHE'S WEBSITE AS STATED?If anyone knows where I can find the links to read these please do so.  Thanks in advance.

[Lazaraki]

On the recent radio show Pastor Butch commented the documents regarding the clergy and methods to quell the populace and turn in firearms are available on Pastor Butch's site.  Alex stated he is in possession of those documents.  On August 20th Alex stated that it is hundreds of documents and prisonplanet only posted a few of them.  WHERE ARE THESE FEW DOCUMENTS POSTED ON PRISONPLANET ALEX IS SPEAKING ABOUT AND/OR WHERE ARE THESE DOCUMENTS ON PASTOR BUTCHE'S WEBSITE AS STATED?If anyone knows where I can find the links to read these please do so.  Thanks in advance.

  Im starting to think they dont exist!  You know how long it would take a fax machine to send so many pages?  You think "pastor butch" would actually sit there and wait for them to go threw if it was "top secret"?  See if I had something top secret to send I would go to kinkos, pay them to send it to the address and tell them i'll be back.

Ohh and I would also send it to CNN, FOX NEWS, ABC, NBC, my local tv station....

please i really want to see these documents!!  And if ALex has them why doesnt he send them to the NRA or some other organization that could help!  Why doesnt he give them to Ron Paul so Ron could say "hey people of the US look what I have, papers that say you will be slaughtered if you dont pick me as President"

[Dig]

alex addressed this on the radio yesterday.  Pastor Butch was relating the conversations he had with officials concerning gun confiscations.  We will post the audio on this thread. 

[resurgam]

Has anything ever come to light with this? A "smoking gun" document or SOMETHING to corroborate this story?

The last few times I've heard Alex mention this, (I listen to the program daily), the number hd jumped to 20,000 and Alex defended the fact that the documents existed.

My motivation is NOT to discredit AJ - FAR FROM IT - I have sent this information out to so many people, and when they rightfully want to know more, I have nothing to give them.

Yes, I know about gun confiscations, I know about false flag terror/epidemics/economic collapse, I know that there are FEMA concentration camps out there waiting for us to fill them, and I send that information out to numerous people on a regular basis. What I DONT have is anything but circumstantial evidence showing the information in this PJWatson/KSLA story about Clergy Response Teams is actually true.

Please, if you can point me in the right direction here, do it.

Thanks -

Resurgam