NATO strike? Polish elite assassinated in downed plane for not accepting €Euro

[Xill]

We need professional translators to verify this. This was the translation I got from somebody who spoke Russian, apparently.

I've done it ad hoc. The problem is, when you retranslate, it sometimes copies the words twice. Hence the apparent stutter talk.

Don't trust a triple-translation through Google Translate.

Well, this video sure is strange... I wonder if we'll ever know the truth. We will surely soon see who benefits.

[Femacamper]

Well, this video sure is strange... I wonder if we'll ever know the truth. We will surely soon see who benefits.

Cui bono!

[burx]

It sounds like dented sheet metal popping from either heating up from a fire or cooling down, or someone moving it around.

[LightCaster]

Это лицо, продвигается Это лицо, продвигается

Translation

That person, that parson is moving, moving.

I can verify that. Russian is similar to my language.

But i can't find it on video, can somebody mark the time of it?

[Femacamper]

Это лицо, продвигается Это лицо, продвигается

Translation

That person, that parson is moving, moving.

I can verify that. Russian is similar to my language.

But i can't find it on video, can somebody mark the time of it?

I think it's the original text that was goofed...

[LightCaster]

At 1:14 you can see an older person who is calmly leaving from that place, with his hands in his pockets, after his son was telling him "father we all are leaving, lets go".

If there was an Specnac team sent to that place to eliminate survivors, that person will not be calm like that, and his son and the person who was filming this will not leave that place, and we never be able to see that vid. I think that those people are from around that place (or working near by, see blue working robe on older guy). 

[gabba2k7]

very funny to look how you are creating evidences in order to prove conspiracy

[LightCaster]

very funny to look how you are creating evidences in order to prove conspiracy :D

Well, you can see my post here and you will not find that kind of thinking.

There was no shots, thing can produce similar kind of noise when they are burning. No one was telling "That person, that person is moving, moving.", that is somebody's imagination, and that kind of vid couldn't leave that place if there was an FSB (or any other Russian service) presence there. Like for any other similar situation (car crash, etc.), witnesses are to be questioned about it and that vid would be taken like evidence. I only can see one civilian and, his son and the man who was filming, they also are civilians. There is no army or police or FSB there. And there is no "cleaning team".

Except David Icke. He was at a train, with his team, spying on evil reptilians.

[Xill]

Well, you can see my post here and you will not find that kind of thinking.

There was no shots, thing can produce similar kind of noise when they are burning. No one was telling "That person, that person is moving, moving.", that is somebody's imagination, and that kind of vid couldn't leave that place if there was an FSB (or any other Russian service) presence there. Like for any other similar situation (car crash, etc.), witnesses are to be questioned about it and that vid would be taken like evidence. I only can see one civilian and, his son and the man who was filming, they also are civilians. There is no army or police or FSB there. And there is no "cleaning team".

Except David Icke. He was at a train, with his team, spying on evil reptilians.

There is a serious difference between someone like Icke cashing in on the "conspiracy/new-age culture" and us, simply doubting that the death of the political, financial and military (land, sea, air) leaders of Poland is an accident.

Specially in the current time, when billions in contracts are being played, not even mentioning the new world order financial system they are going for. This, and the fact that that plane was no challenge to land at all, and that it did have all the proper GPS devices to land properly no matter the amount of "fog" you throw at it.

However, releasing a fake video would be a great method to discredit the people who think it was an assassination.

[citizenx]

very funny to look how you are creating evidences in order to prove conspiracy

Gabba,

You're in Russia, right?

What do people in Russia think?  Do they think it was just an accident?

[Jackson Holly]

Hey, as card carrying conspiracy theorists it is our job to look at events with a jaundiced eye.
It is the coincidence theorist position, to take everything at face value ... that everything
'just happens' ... that has gotten us into this mess.

Anyone with an ounce of knowledge about the methods of NWO/elite deception must
find this at LEAST highly suspicious.

[Brocke]

very funny to look how you are creating evidences in order to prove conspiracy

Please enlighten us with your "Coincidence Theory". We are always open to ideas no matter how far fetched they might be.

[H0llyw00d]

fires can burn for a few days, I'm still waiting on a confirmation as to WHEN this was taken, because the looter scenario "fits" w/ this video rather well.

[Femacamper]

fires can burn for a few days, I'm still waiting on a confirmation as to WHEN this was taken, because the looter scenario "fits" w/ this video rather well.

Certainly, but they had people on the scene, and I remember from crash site footage they had photos without fire burning of the same location. That suggests that they had addressed the fires, which would make sense, since they are recovering bodies and identifying them, and looking for clues like the black boxes.

[Femacamper]

There is a serious difference between someone like Icke cashing in on the "conspiracy/new-age culture" and us, simply doubting that the death of the political, financial and military (land, sea, air) leaders of Poland is an accident.

Specially in the current time, when billions in contracts are being played, not even mentioning the new world order financial system they are going for. This, and the fact that that plane was no challenge to land at all, and that it did have all the proper GPS devices to land properly no matter the amount of "fog" you throw at it.

However, releasing a fake video would be a great method to discredit the people who think it was an assassination.

The video is authentic. The wreckage in the video matches the plane crash photos precisely. Are you saying that they engineered the wreckage, as an exact copy?

[H0llyw00d]

Well I wish somebody could provide more evidence on this video...time & day of it being shot specifically. Fires can re-start.
No opinion on this quite yet, just seems like people keeping looters away the more I listen and look, and ya know the looters are everywhere w/ todays economics.

[LightCaster]

There is a serious difference between someone like Icke cashing in on the "conspiracy/new-age culture" and us, simply doubting that the death of the political, financial and military (land, sea, air) leaders of Poland is an accident.

Specially in the current time, when billions in contracts are being played, not even mentioning the new world order financial system they are going for. This, and the fact that that plane was no challenge to land at all, and that it did have all the proper GPS devices to land properly no matter the amount of "fog" you throw at it.

However, releasing a fake video would be a great method to discredit the people who think it was an assassination.

Thank you, i know difference between someone like Icke and us here, it was a joke. I have strong doubt regarding circumstances of this crash, especially after Sane presented prove about Polish-EU conflict. Cuz of that the name of this thread is "NATO strike? Polish elite assassinated in downed plane for not accepting €Euro". So, I agree that NATO/NWO/Bankers are behind it. There is no doubt about that. I am strongly opposed that Russians have something whit it.

One thing is certain, there is no way under this sky that Russians would do that on the day when 22.000 Polish officers and soldiers are executed by NKVD, and to do that over their territory, that would be a great mistake.

Russians are trying to expand their influence on Georgia, Kyrgyzstan and other countries from old USSR block to bring them back under their wing. And in the moment when they are one step closer to clean the mess between them and Poland, this was happened. No way Russians are behind it.

Those people in that plane are killed in the worst moment for Russia, in the moment when Russia have big influence in Georgia and Kyrgyzstan.

Georgian Opposition Threatens to Repeat Kyrgyz Uprising

US-NATO War Plan Undermined? Kyrgyzstan Upheaval Endangers US Route to Afghanistan

Great Power Rivalry in Central Asia: Russia Sends Paratroopers to its Airbase in Kyrgyzstan


Let me explain my stand here again.

I don't like Russians. They didn't move finger during NATO bombing of my country. Its not about liking or disliking anyone. Its about motive. Every crime have motive, and i don't see motive for this on Russian side (and i can see strong motive on NATO/NWO/Bankers side). Fallow the money. Who will gain from this mess?

Another thing that i see is:

Constant pressure on Russia by NATO side to provoke conflict.

1. Missile shield, military exercises in Baltic and Black Sea.

Dangerous Crossroads: U.S. Moves Missiles And Troops To Russian Border

2. Sending Heroin from Afghan to Russia, and when Russia says stop with it NATO calmly says no.

3. Moscow Metro bombing done by al-Ciaida.

And now this. Don't you see that NWO is trying to provoke conflict with Russia.

Will we move from this woods and video to the real reasons why NWO is doing this kind of moves on global chessboard?

[Femacamper]

Comment from another forum:

JEWISH DELEGATION CANCELED JOURNEY ON POLISH PRESIDENT'S PLANE

"A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski...

"The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. 'The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath,' he said." (Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland's Chief Rabbi)

Was the death of Poland's President Kaczynski an accident?

This is the question asked by Kurt Nimmo at Infowars.com on 12 April 2010 (Did Global Elite Kill Polish President Kaczynski?)

Kurt Nimmo points out:

1. Poland declined to be a victim of the bankster loan sharking operation.

2. Poland was the only member of the European Union to have experienced growth in 2009.

3. In April 2010, Czech Central Bank Vice Deputy Mojmir Hampl said the IMF fueled Eastern Europe's crisis to create a situation that would compel regional states to request the help from the globalist loan sharking operation.

4. It looks like a pro-euro political leader may replace Kaczynski.

"Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk’s pro-euro Civic Platform party is likely to cement its grip on power in a presidential election that must now be held by June after President Lech Kaczynski died in a plane crash," reports Bloomberg.

Kaczynski resisted adopting the euro.

Kaczynski was also the last EU leader to sign the Lisbon Treaty,

Kaczynski placed a euro-skeptic ally in charge of the central bank, Slawomir Skrzypek, who was also killed in the crash.

On 11 April 2010, James Buchanan wrote: "Poland was completely sold out by FDR and Churchill at Yalta...

"President Kaczynski had promised to go after Communist murderers, who had killed Poles during the long Communist occupation. Many of those war criminals were Jews..." (Was Polish President Murdered in Staged Plane Crash? Rebel News ...)

On 11 April 2010, Tom Mysiewicz wrote: "In the mid 1930s, Poland was encouraged with false and/or unfulfillable defense promises to goad Germany into starting the Second World War.

"Roosevelt, Churchill and Samuel Untermeyer (Samuel Untermyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) got their war and Poland quickly got overrun and divided by Germany and the USSR.

"On the orders of Stalin and certain Jewish Communist officials, 20,000 Poles–the officers and nobility who were the cream of Poland’s elite–were treacherously murdered at Katyn Forest.

"And the crime was blamed on the Germans, when the Allies knew full well their “ally” had done it.

"I have no doubts the crime was approved at the highest levels in London and Washington (and New York) and this while Polish soldiers bravely gave their lives fighting for the “Allied” cause."

[endof]

MESSAGE TO THE REBELLION: IF YOU DO NOT ACCEPT THE EURO, WE WILL DECAPITATE YOU

Yes, all of us recieved the message loud and clear.

The polish president also delayed the lisbon treaty for quite a long time, the treaty that brought mr van rompuy to power.

He did sign it in the end, under intense pressure no doubt.

This was a message to the resistance, the EUSSR is here.
in a few months the first of the new EU wide Europol millitarised police will be ready for deployment.

I only wish i was joking, just wait until you see them deployed in greece.


"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win."

FIGHT ON THE PEACEFUL REVOLUTION

[ImmortalTRUTH]

The video is authentic.


From the video.

http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20100412/158546091_3.html

Is the audio authentic ? is it gunshots ?

We don't know..

[Dig]

Comment from another forum:

JEWISH DELEGATION CANCELED JOURNEY ON POLISH PRESIDENT'S PLANE

"A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski...

"The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. 'The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath,' he said." (Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland's Chief Rabbi)

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2010/04/jewish-delegation-canceled-journey-on.html]

if this is indeed true then it means that the flight was secret and it was planned at the last second.

this would allow for an automated weapons system on the border of belarus/russia to possibly be manipulated by NATO/Belarus ptech/war gaming.

that is what happened with the korean flight that was shot down. the flight path was controlled to trigger russian automated anti-aircraft systems.

this would allow NATO to pressure russia with thermal imaging showing proof of possible projectile systems/defense systems taking down the plane.

just one possibility but thanks to that information, it adds more evidence that this flight was secret and finalized at the last second without others knowing.

looking for more specifics on how the plane ride was decided and who knew.

[Dig]

The video is authentic.


From the video.

http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20100412/158546091_3.html

Is the audio authentic ? is it gunshots ?

We don't know..

again stuff like this just totally bashes the entire 9/11 lie (if nothing else)

[Femacamper]

Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland’s Chief Rabbi
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
IsraelNationalNews.com

A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski.

The president, his wife, his military chief of staff and senior political leaders were killed on Saturday when the plane crashed en route to a Russian city.

The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. “The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath,” he said.

“They planned to say Kaddish [the mourner’s prayer] at the planned commemoration ceremony in a Russian city, marking 70 years since the Soviet murder of 20,000 Poles.

Rabbi Stembler said that President Kaczynski was personally responsible for helping with the construction of a Jewish museum in the location of the former Jewish ghetto in Warsaw and which is to be dedicated in the near future. President Kaczynski helped promote and encourage the building project when he was mayor of Warsaw and continued his efforts as president.

“The relation between the Jewish community and the president was very strong,” the rabbi said. “He took care of all of its needs, not just in words but also in deeds. There were not any major events where he did not honor the community with his presence.”

The crash on Saturday wiped out a large part of the elite establishment of the government, and it is not clear why the government took the risk of allowing all of them to fly on one plane. The pilot, who also died in the crash, was blamed for ignoring Russian air controllers’ advice not to try to land under severe weather conditions.

[Dig]

Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland’s Chief Rabbi
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
IsraelNationalNews.com

A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski.

The president, his wife, his military chief of staff and senior political leaders were killed on Saturday when the plane crashed en route to a Russian city.

The Jewish delegation was supposed to fly with the president, according to Warsaw Rabbi Meir Stembler. “The delegation canceled its participation after it was understood that that plane was to fly on the Sabbath,” he said.

“They planned to say Kaddish [the mourner’s prayer] at the planned commemoration ceremony in a Russian city, marking 70 years since the Soviet murder of 20,000 Poles.

Rabbi Stembler said that President Kaczynski was personally responsible for helping with the construction of a Jewish museum in the location of the former Jewish ghetto in Warsaw and which is to be dedicated in the near future. President Kaczynski helped promote and encourage the building project when he was mayor of Warsaw and continued his efforts as president.

“The relation between the Jewish community and the president was very strong,” the rabbi said. “He took care of all of its needs, not just in words but also in deeds. There were not any major events where he did not honor the community with his presence.”

The crash on Saturday wiped out a large part of the elite establishment of the government, and it is not clear why the government took the risk of allowing all of them to fly on one plane. The pilot, who also died in the crash, was blamed for ignoring Russian air controllers’ advice not to try to land under severe weather conditions.

this was a very, very sophisticated operation, positioning many pieces of cannon fodder in front of the bilderberg bankers and controllers of the planned global recession.

JFK had a few pieces of cannon fodder too...

Lee Harvey Oswald

Castro

Kruschev

Mob

CIA only

LBJ and  big oil only

but now we all know it was the banksters  who gave the final order mainly through the Rockefller/Harriman capos.  All the others had blood on their hands and that causes the cover up to occur (all agree to the "prisoner's dilemma" where they agree and collude to shut up).

Same with 9/11...

osama
terrorists
mossad
neo-cons
wahabbi-ism


but now we all know it was the bilderberg bankers who had the most to gain, their entire agenda had no chance without it and they were able to cover up enron/world com/CIA-Mossad-Saudi-ISI collusion within the US/the missing $2.3 trillion at the pentagon...all were banksters projects that were unraveling.

Now that the Euro is unravelling, they decapitated poland.

[LightCaster]

Observing Sabbath Saved Life of Poland’s Chief Rabbi
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu
IsraelNationalNews.com

A Jewish delegation from Poland, including the American-born Chief Rabbi Michael Schudrich, was spared from certain death by refusing to violate the Sabbath to fly with President Lech Kaczynski.

Gods finger or a phone call from Illuminazis? Whats your bet on it?

[Dig]

Gods finger or a phone call from Illuminazis? Whats your bet on it?

well, someone planned the plane to fly on  saturday (they would probably guess the "highest rabbi" would not fly on that day), so who planned it, when was it finalized, this is crucial. and why is their no record ahead of time that the entire capstone of poland was in a fragile airplane flying over a hotbed of military activity east/west border with no one's knowledge?

[Femacamper]

well, someone planned the plane to fly on  saturday (they would probably guess the "highest rabbi" would not fly on that day), so who planned it, when was it finalized, this is crucial. and why is their no record ahead of time that the entire capstone of poland was in a fragile airplane flying over a hotbed of military activity east/west border with no one's knowledge?

BTW...were they trying to land at a military airport?

[Brocke]

BTW...were they trying to land at a military airport?

Yes
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=166259.msg990574#msg990574

[Dig]

BTW...were they trying to land at a military airport?

could you imagine a taliban delegation flying into reagan airport without alerting the US authorities?

[Femacamper]

Polish presidential plane disallowed landing at Russian military airport, then mysteriously crashes. Nope, no conspiracy there.

This situation is seriously f**ked up.

[Dig]

Polish presidential plane disallowed landing at Russian military airport, then mysteriously crashes. Nope, no conspiracy there.

This situation is seriously f**ked up.

well if they did not tell anyone and if communications were compromised (bloomberg says belarus was communicating, others say russia) how would anyone know what the agenda of the plane was...except the people in on or controlling the plan. who controlled this plan?

[Femacamper]

NATOS Secret Armies: Cold War Paramilitaries and Turkey’s Security State
10/15/2006 (Balkanalysis.com)

NATO’S Secret Armies
By Daniele Ganser
Frank Cass (2005), 315 pp.
Reviewed by Ioannis Michaletos

Over the past few years, more and more researchers have delved into the mysterious events that shaped the world during the Cold War era and which have resulted in the most important global political developments. This is the case with Daniele Ganser, who in NATO’S Secret Armies vigorously lays out the evidence relating to NATO’s secret operations, through the establishment of paramilitary forces within its member states.

The book’s structure is such that its 18 chapters cover each country, from Great Britain and the United States to Norway, Germany, Italy, France, Spain, Luxembourg, Denmark, Greece, Turkey, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Portugal, Belgium and Holland. Essentially, the book retells the recurring story of how clandestine military groups, often comprised of right-wing belligerents, including former Nazis and other Fascists, were recruited to form a line of defense in case of Soviet attack, while also to keep potential subversives and Communist sympathizers under the thumb of the NATO security apparatus.

Perhaps the most interesting focus of NATO’S Secret Armies for our readers is how it unveils hidden dimensions of modern Turkey’s history, issues that still haunt the country and have shaped its collective political identity.

Before discussing the Turkish contribution to NATO’s “secret armies,” the Grey Wolves, one has to first devote some attention to the creator of the organization, Arpaslan Turkes. A colonel who played a decisive role in promoting the Contra-guerrilla forces in Turkey, Turkes came into contact with the CIA back in the early 1950’s. The main objective of their cooperation was to manage the creation of a paramilitary force that would operate inside Turkey in case of a Soviet attack. This force would be equipped with the necessary arms and capabilities to initiate a full-scale guerrilla war against the Soviet army, if necessary.

The original plan as devised by NATO and the USA promoted the use of special forces, which would become expert in guerrilla techniques. Similar “black armies” were also witnessed in Italy’s Gladio affair, and in Greece. Those forces gained tremendous unofficial power and were constantly operated as a state within a state in relation to numerous criminal activities such as provocation and terrorism.

In Turkey, the first secret army was called Seferberlik Taktik Kurulu (STK). Its headquarters was situated in the same building where the American military mission to Ankara resided. It is interesting to note that NATO’S Secret Armies is very thorough in its reference of sources, names and locations, leaving no room for any accusations that there is any case of fabrication or misplacement of events. A rough summary of those recounted follows.

In 1959 an agreement between the CIA and the Turkish government placed the Turkish contra-guerrillas as the forefront against internal enemies of the Turkish state. These mostly included members of the political left. However, the original remit of the special team was soon forgotten, and personal ambitions, leading to meddling within the political system; soon appeared. In 1960 a coup d’etat by 38 officers — including Turkes — resulted in the imprisonment of the then-Prime Minister Menderes, and subsequently his condemnation to death, along with other leading political figures.

The Menderes government was considered very liberal at that time and the Turkish secret army, fearful of losing its newly established power, abruptly challenged and defeated the existing political order. In 1965, Turkes established the “party of nationalist action,” Millietsi Hareket Partisi, which operated as a quasi-fascistic party. It was armed with a paramilitary force called the Grey Wolves (Bozkurt). When he died in 1997, Turkes was remembered tearfully by the former Turkish Prime Minister Tansu Ciller, whose vast and ill-begotten wealth ironically has its basis in the social and political upheaval he caused.

The ranks of the contra-guerrillas would soon be swelled by the more hot-blooded representatives of the Grey Wolves, as a civil component in the then-fully military secret army. Their role included domestic counterintelligence and support in case of provocative actions within Turkey. In parallel, other factors of the Turkish state such as the intelligence service (MIT) cooperated closely with the contra-guerrillas, so closely that in fact there was often little to distinguish between their respective operations.

In NATO’S Secret Armies, Ganser moreover reveals the deep connections between the political violence that swept Turkey in the 1970’s and the provocative role of the contra-guerrillas in this unrest. It is assumed that around 5,000 murders were committed by this infamous secret organization, including the 1st of May massacre in Istanbul in 1977, when 38 people were killed in the center of the city by unknown snipers. The author also reveals the inability of the Turkish political class to deal with the issue because of extreme military pressure and the chronic inability of the government and the members of Parliament to exercise control over the state security structure.

In 1980, the time of yet another Turkish coup d’etat, there were around 200,000 members of the Grey Wolves in Turkey, as well as 1,000,000 sympathizers, all playing a pivotal role in establishing military rule in the country. Even though a lot of military leaders were skeptical of their relations with international terrorism, it was too late for an effective action to take place. That period also coincided with the beginning of the Kurdish PKK guerrilla war in 1984, a conflict which ironically gave plentiful of opportunities for the paramilitary force — never having been required for its original, anti-Soviet purposes — to excel on its natural turf.

At the same time, this conflict also presented the opportunity for the expansion of heroin smuggling, an age-old practice in the tri-national borders between Turkey, Iraq and Iran. This to some extent complicated relations between Turkey and the West, since the bulk of the narcotics were exported into Europe via numerous channels, all more or less controlled by the Turkish secret services.

That said, it is worthwhile to mention the complexity of the contra-guerrillas’ activity within the international criminal network that in essence was connected with international terrorism. A network of gigantic proportions was created based around contra-guerrilla activities, which resulted in a plethora of criminal activities around the world.

The 1990’s, and the crumbling of the Soviet bloc, meant a sort of apocalypse for NATO’s secret armies. European paramilitary forces quickly disbanded along with the Soviet threat. In Turkey, however, as Ganser explains, this was not the case. It would take the infamous “Sousourlouk” incident for Turkey to reveal the widespread network that encompassed organized crime, terrorists and the paramilitary force that had outlived its ostensible purpose. Nevertheless, the hypothesis that the contra-guerrillas’ simply continued to operate under new branding is plausible.

On the whole, NATO’S Secret Armies can be considered a milestone in the history of “black operations” in post-war Europe, and especially in light of its focus on Turkey. The wealth of resources and references that are annotated in the pages of this engaging book will persuade even the most critical of researchers to spend substantial time in retrieving these little-known facts and figures that have shaped vital parts of our modern history. Most importantly, in the big picture, is that NATO’S Secret Armies reveals a world where ideology and national interest are used in order to cover up something much more important in our civilized society — profit, whether legal or illegal.

[Femacamper]

NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and terrorism in Western Europe

[BitLet Webtorrent] [Torrent]

[Femacamper]

FLASHBACK: AUGUST 2008
Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, hinted that the US had pledged to back Warsaw in the event of Russian aggression towards Poland. He said that he only agreed to host the US defence shield on the condition that the US agreed to help augment Poland's defences with Patriot missiles, which are intended to ward off any threat from Russia. "We have crossed the Rubicon," he said.

[chrisfromchi]

okay my polish buddy whos family been keeping track of all this since it happened mentioned to me about a :

3rd Black box. one that only the polish can open and translate. I dunno what that really means thats what he told me over the phone.

has anyone heard anything about a 3rd black box?

[Dig]

FLASHBACK: AUGUST 2008
Russia threatens nuclear attack on Poland over US missile shield deal

Donald Tusk, the Polish prime minister, hinted that the US had pledged to back Warsaw in the event of Russian aggression towards Poland. He said that he only agreed to host the US defence shield on the condition that the US agreed to help augment Poland's defences with Patriot missiles, which are intended to ward off any threat from Russia. "We have crossed the Rubicon," he said.

wow!

so the only person pushing for more confrontation between Russia/West [rather than dependent on one or the other as a nanny owner] was not on the plane?

[Brocke]

okay my polish buddy whos family been keeping track of all this since it happened mentioned to me about a :

3rd Black box. one that only the polish can open and translate. I dunno what that really means thats what he told me over the phone.

has anyone heard anything about a 3rd black box?

Russia: Third black box found
2010-04-13 19:33

Moscow – A third flight recorder was found at the site of the plane crash that killed Poland's president Lech Kaczynski and will be analysed in Poland at Warsaw's request, a Russian aviation official said on Tuesday.

"Yesterday (Monday) an additional recorder, of Polish make, was found," said Tatyana Anodina, a representative of the Interstate Aviation Committee, which regulates civil aviation in Russia and other former Soviet republics.

"At the request of the Polish side, the decision was made to analyse it in Poland, with the participation of Russian specialists," she said at a meeting of a government commission investigating Saturday's disaster.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/Russia-Third-black-box-found--20100413


From PPRuNe Forums:

The third black box - registering vibrations of the engine - will be examined in Poland because it was invented by Polish engineers. - Third recorder, which was sent for examination to Poland, monitors and records, in addition to the standard FDR, the vibration on the engine bearings and suspension.

This monitoring and recording system was developed for, and installed on the
notorious Soloviev engines by the Polish engineers after the accidents
of the Il-62, using the same engines as tu-154.

The system was supposed to detect and register any abnormalities in the
turbine parameters to prevent and avoid the uncontained engine failures, for which
the engines were notorious.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/411701-polish-government-tu154m-crash-post5633091.html

[Brocke]

New Photo



http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/411701-polish-government-tu154m-crash-29.html#post5633525

[Brocke]

It looks like the plane really did clip a lot of trees when it came in.

This would seem to eliminate the possibility of a catastrophic explosion.

It is looking more like a remote control or jammer style job.





More images here:
http://picasaweb.google.ru/Amlmtr/MWzNeJ#5459758998359442098

[Brocke]

Here is the respective experience of the flight crew, in the air and in a Tu-154M.

- (captain) kpt. pil. Arkadiusz PROTASIUK - total time: 3528h (on Tu-154M - 2937h)
- (first officer) mjr pil. Robert GRZYWNA - total time: 1939h (on Tu-154M - 506h)
- (navigator) por. pil. Artur ZIĘTEK - total time: 1069h (on Tu-154M - 59h, as navigator)
- (flight engineer) chor. Andrzej MICHALAK - total time 330h

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/411701-polish-government-tu154m-crash-29.html#post5633874