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« Reply #560 on: May 04, 2010, 05:10:09 PM »

Goldman Sachs banker sacked by Kaczynski to head new Warsaw office for bigger business
Saturday, 01 May 2010 14:11

A Goldman Sachs banker who was fired as Prime Minister by President Lech Kaczynski is set to head a new branch of the bank to be opened in Warsaw, according to the website of the Chamber of German and Polish Industry and Commerce.

Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz was made Prime Minister by President Lech Kaczynski following the following the victory of the Law and Justice party in the September 2005 in elections, but he was fired soon after and went to work for Goldman Sachs in London.

Just three weeks after the death of President Kaczynski is a mysterious plane crash in Smolensk on April 10th, Goldman Sachs has said it is seeking to open an office in Warsaw, to expand its business in the region, and Marcinkiewicz is set to be its chief.

Goldman Sachs is just the latest of the big banks to flood into Warsaw to take advantage of the changes in government policies following the sudden death of about 100 top Polish military and government officials, including the central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek, in a plane crash that has many of the marks of being deliberate.

Skrzypek pursued a monetary policy that was at odds with the wishes of the bankers and the pr euro, pro IMF Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

In a letter published posthumously in the Financial Times, Skrzypek argued for a weak Zloty to boost exports, employment and tax revenues.

High exchange rates, achieved via the euro, have destroyed exports, increased unemployment and reduced tax revenues, putting countries in debt, and under the control of the banks, around Europe.

Greece’s is currently face ten years of rule by the IMF, the banker controlled financial body, following a debt mountain engineered with the help of Goldman Sachs as well as Goldman Sachs bankers employed in government positions.

Petros Christodoulou is former Goldman Sachs employee and currently the chief Greek government debt officer.

To pay the interest on this engineered mountain of paper debt, Greeks are expected to give up their pensions, their salaries and see huge cuts in social services.

So much money is expected to be sucked out of the Greek economy into the banks pockets that some eonomists expect Greece to enter a death debt spiral from which it will never recover.

Only the reintroduction of a new currency, or the drachma, at a good exchange rate can rescue Greece, economists argue.

Goldman Sachs is also facing criminal charges in the USA for its role in the current financial crisis, engineered by subprime mortgages and an investigation for its role in the derivatives.

Goldman Sachs’ role in the Greek meltdown is not being investigated – or in the Polish plane crash.

But perhaps the time to start is now given the evidence that the crash was deliberate and that Goldman Sachs has a direct motive to remove Lech Kaczynski over his sacking of Marcinkiewicz?

Bloomberg reports on the bank’s plans to expan their business in Poland:

Citigroup to Expand Polish Investment Bank Business (Update1)
April 21, 2010, 7:37 AM EDT

By Ambereen Choudhury and Gavin Finch

April 21 (Bloomberg) — Citigroup Inc. says it will expand its Warsaw-based investment-banking operations in Poland to take advantage of planned government asset sales.

The U.S. bank joins Goldman Sachs Group Inc., Credit Suisse Group AG and JPMorgan Chase & Co. in vying for advisory work for the government, which is preparing to sell stakes this year in its energy, insurance, chemical and phone companies to raise $10 billion to finance the widening budget deficit.

Poland’s government is urging banks to set up shop in Warsaw if they want business from the state. Citigroup, which is based in New York, bought a majority stake in Bank Handlowy SA, Poland’s biggest corporate bank, in 2001. Citigroup has about 5,800 employees in Poland.

The government plans this year to sell an additional 10 percent of PGE SA, the country’s biggest power producer. PZU SA, the state-owned insurer, may sell 8.1 billion zloty ($2.9 billion) of shares in an initial public offering next month, and the government also plans to sell more than 25 percent of utility Tauron Polska Energia SA in the first half of the year. The Warsaw bourse may also go public after the state dropped plans to sell the market operator to a competitor last year, according to the government.

Goldman Sachs, based in New York, is seeking to open a branch office in Warsaw. Credit Suisse of Zurich announced in January a plan to open a brokerage this year after shutting its Warsaw stock-dealing business in 2003.
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« Reply #561 on: May 04, 2010, 05:46:45 PM »

Looks to me like the bankers got the hurdles out of the way and it's business as usual. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #562 on: May 04, 2010, 05:47:33 PM »

^ ^ ^


I am SO SURPRISED!  NOT!

What a bunch of blood thirsty leeches ...
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« Reply #563 on: May 04, 2010, 06:35:09 PM »

They must have a very dirty little war going on up there.
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« Reply #564 on: May 05, 2010, 12:00:47 AM »

Feedback on the video (Translated), now at over 24,000 views!
Great vid! Good job, thanks to you I heard new words and saw the smoke at the end of the weapon!

By the way I saw just a few versions of this video but no but one thing not taken into account is the white guy who wants to get up and just falls.

You have marked it in red:



Note frame at what was happening to him from the very beginning of the film. would anyone be in a white shirt on a cold morning? Is there not such a shirt under his jacket?

You have a good program, look at this and let me know how well I can see, the guy just gets up and falls.

It is interesting to note where he looks at his grandfather at the beginning of the movie? Not just for someone who sees? The guy in white? After looking at what did not move in one place? I can see someone there. I see him or me, but if it just me?

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« Reply #565 on: May 05, 2010, 12:22:55 AM »

Polish Air, Pilot 'Speech Prohibition' In Effect (Translated)
Poland's president, lots of airlines pilots 'talking ban' claims were brought up
Air News Times
2010-05-02 - 13:14

Swiss journalist Jane Bürgermeister, LOT Polish Airlines Chairman Sebastian Mikozs'un, 550 employees working in the Smolensk aircraft accident to the pilot claimed that talk about the ban.

Senior officials at the Army generals Gromoslaw Czempinski Poland, Polish Prime Minister Donald television Tusk'u TVN24 participated in a program that was criticized because of its role in accidents. Czempinski generals, "Prime Minister Donald Tusk, the tragic plane crash should take responsibility," he said.
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« Reply #566 on: May 05, 2010, 12:28:06 AM »

Strange Conclusions of Investigation (Translated)
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8.50 - exact time of death, according to Russian medics
 
author: Piotr Nowak
Source: Fotorzepa
In documents from the examination of corpses in the box Russians noted the cause of death: "multiple injuries". In the picture the arrival of coffins with the bodies of victims on April 15
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Journalists 'Rom' inspection protocols saw three corpses of those who tragically died in the crash of Tu-154 plane near Smolensk. Attached to them are relatives of victims of the minutes of hearings. The most important information in the minutes of the inspection are recorded in paragraphs 18 - 23

18th point contains information about the person conducting the section. In each protocol, which saw journalists 'Rom' is written, that her doctor perform forensic facility in Moscow.

19th point concerns the causes of death. Here the doctor has written two terse words: "multiple injuries".

Point 23rd is a description of the circumstances in which death occurred. Doctors posted in it, that death was the result of the plane crash of Tu-154 Smolensk April 10, 2010 year of the chair. 10.50 local time (ie 8.50 Polish time - ed.)

Your doctor will determine the time

According to first reports the presidential plane crashed about 8.56 Polish time - then joined sirens Airport Smolensk-Siewiernyj informing about the crash. But last week Prime Minister Donald Tusk at a press conference, said black boxes Tu-154 had to stop working on 8.41. It was then that the plane probably crashed. It is known that medical services arrived at the crash site after hours. 9th So why in the minutes 8.50 hours?

Colonel Zbigniew Turnip, a spokesman for the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office, does not want to speak on this subject. When asked by our lawyers are more talkative. - I think that information about the hour of death was obtained from somewhere, because the doctor performing the section can only approximately determine a time - says Kazimierz Olejnik, a former state prosecutor.

According to prof. Zbigniew Ćwiąkalskiego, the former minister of justice, "the doctor took one hour disaster, which was most probable."

Were there Polish prosecutors?

The protocols, which saw "Rom", bring some other interesting information. According to the assurances of our Government, Polish prosecutors on the spot in Moscow participated in the work tamtejszych investigators. Except that in the minutes there is no trace of their presence. Russian medical cause of death in the box says, "stated." "The government" saw a Polish translation of one of these documents. In it or not there is information about the Polish investigators.

Colonel Turnip ensure that Polish public prosecutors have participated in the identification of corpses. - Until you see that document and it will not be translated by a sworn translator, we will not comment on the case - cuts all the questions.

For now, the Polish prosecutors have not yet received the documents section. - We look forward to the implementation of this proposal - Turnip says.

Olejnik surprising lack of information in the report of the Polish representatives. According to him, it should be their signatures. As for other records in the minutes said: - You can not die because of the multitude of injuries. The autopsy is, to specifically determine what caused the death, such as a blow to the head, a wound cut, stab.

According Ćwiąkalskiego the discovery of the Russians used in describing the causes of death can be explained. - That term ("multiple injuries" - ed) means that everything is shattered - he says, "Rom." - Something else is basically a disaster engineering, and otherwise is the case of an aviation disaster. This can not be cast in the same words - he adds.

Except that the protocols, which saw "Rom", persons with a body as a result of the disaster have been damaged slightly.

- On the outside did not look like the victim of an aviation disaster. This was also the case for other victims - tells us close to one of the victims who are in Moscow during the presentation.

Devices will examine the wreckage in the U.S.

Representatives of the Aviation Committee of the inter-and Polish specialists explaining the causes of the disaster Tu-154 went to the U.S., where the U.S. experts will examine some of the devices from a broken machine. The warning system before the collision with the earth and the Avoidance of GNSS satellite navigation system in factories in the U.S., which produced them.

Meanwhile, the dates of the delivery of materials by the Russians, they gathered in the investigation of the causes of the disaster, is to talk to Attorney General Andrew Seremet, which now goes to Moscow to meet with his Russian counterpart Yuri Chaika and his deputy. - It's about setting the timetable for submission of materials to us, for which, applying - says Matthew Martyniuk, a spokesman for Seremeta. Our investigators do not yet received any of the relevant documents. Waiting for the records of the black boxes, write letters to the tower crew and explain why the Russians were exchanged shortly after the crash on the runway bulbs airport.

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« Reply #567 on: May 05, 2010, 01:04:30 AM »

Pilot Down! Evidence That Demands A Verdict Re: Man Stumbling And Falling In Video

http://www.globalnaswiadomosc.com/apps/photos/album?albumid=8750121
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« Reply #568 on: May 05, 2010, 05:28:35 AM »

Quote from: Femacamper link=topic=166259.msg1008471#msg1008471 date=1273039247
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This is the best I can do with a 72dpi screenshot. If I had a frame from a higher res version of the video I could do much better.
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« Reply #569 on: May 05, 2010, 08:41:27 AM »

Which plugin/software are you using?
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« Reply #570 on: May 05, 2010, 11:14:47 AM »

Which plugin/software are you using?

Genuine Fractals v 6.0.2
http://www.ononesoftware.com/detail.php?prodLine_id=7
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« Reply #571 on: May 05, 2010, 12:17:28 PM »




here is a pixel level enlargement using PhotoZoom Professional 3.0.10

This shows how much image information we are dealing with. We really need a higher resolution image to get any more detail.
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« Reply #572 on: May 05, 2010, 04:53:29 PM »



here is a pixel level enlargement using PhotoZoom Professional 3.0.10

This shows how much image information we are dealing with. We really need a higher resolution image to get any more detail.

Well, what do you expect from a cameraphone... :/
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« Reply #573 on: May 05, 2010, 08:26:47 PM »

Well, what do you expect from a cameraphone... :/

Was the video made with a phone? It looked like it had better image detail than a cell phone.
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« Reply #574 on: May 05, 2010, 08:30:44 PM »

by the way the quality is and the way the frames shake, I'm 99% sure it was a handheld camcorder and not a phone cam
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« Reply #575 on: May 05, 2010, 11:34:09 PM »

Video: Eyewitness accounts of Polish plane crash (Translated in English)

http://en.rian.ru/video/20100412/158542562.html

There is an important video which exists of eyewitnesses testifying to the lack of fog at the time of the crash, as well as audible engine trouble (in English & Russian--from 'Ria Novosti):
In English: http://en.rian.ru/video/20100412/158542562.html
In Russian: http://www.rian.ru/video/20100411/220738363.html
Also, an alleged exchange between the pilot & the control tower indicating that visibility at the time of approach was 8 km:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSQTdrZvtFY
And the eyewitness shooting video with the BEST AUDIO that I have yet come across:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX4bO0Op0Tw&feature=related
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« Reply #576 on: May 05, 2010, 11:35:00 PM »

OPEN LETTER
For the Prime Minister
Donald Tusk

Because of the exceptional importance for the Polish presidential plane crash near Smolensk, on 10 April 2010, which killed the President of the Republic, Lech Kaczynski, and the heads of key institutions of the Polish State, and because it did not in Poland, but in another State -
I turn to you, Mr. Prime Minister, the establishment of an independent, International Technical Commission for examining the causes of disaster. Requests the Commission, with participation of leading world experts, would be essential for the public and for history.

prof. dr hab. Jacek Yellowhammer
President of the Council
Katyn Polish Foundation

Warsaw, April 19, 2010

Supporting the request for the establishment of the International Commission please signatures below

Ladies and Gentlemen,
because my database capabilities are insufficient entries have already been placed, moved to the archive. Thank you for such great interest.
Number of signatures in the Archives # 1 - 12578, Archives No. 2 - 7100
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« Reply #577 on: May 05, 2010, 11:36:30 PM »

Wow!

Adding the two archives...

That's 26,000 signatures in just two weeks!
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« Reply #578 on: May 05, 2010, 11:41:24 PM »

Smolensk, - The Ever-Mysterious "Disaster" (Translated)
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Warsaw - They must say in advance that it was above all things, German media, who saw the crash shortly after the Polish president machine now an opportunity for an impending Polish-Russian reconciliation. As a reason for this assumption they called the excellent cooperation of investigators from both countries and the mourning in Russia by the Polish victims of the disaster in Smolensk. One must take into account of course that was taken at the time of the first such reports still do not work by investigators from Poland and the Russian people to the residents of the small village Severnyj limited on the deck of the tragedy had occurred. As fast as the German journalists, the usual free-historians who praise Russia's active participation in the highest terms were overlooked, but here, that her report was otherwise full of errors. Just one example of this is the claim that in the cockpit of the jet, only two men were crew, although here we know three pilots and an on-board engineers were. All in all, we can now identify 17 days after the mysterious plane crash, more than ever that not only Russian officials, but also media, the public glare apparently and they end itself, as stipulated in the swine flu, would remain as co-conspirators.

The first political consequence of the disaster?

Logically, there are, the longer the investigations of the crash of the Tupolev Kaczynski and the public is not informed of the progress of the investigation, more and more hypotheses about the causes of the disaster. Those who spread such hypotheses, but are usually not a conspiracy theorist, but people who are concerned and looking on your own with the help of the Internet or in the analysis of photos, movies and data for clues to the happening of the disaster. From this and data from Polish investigators now uncertain, it is clear in recent days, much more information to the public than the leading "investigator" Donald Tusk and Vladimir Putin actually owe their people. have loudly now called Klich already in this context, the withdrawal of the Polish Defence Minister Bogdan, he is to impede the investigation in Smolensk, claims not only Poland's Attorney General Andrzej Seremet, who will travel again in the coming days to Moscow once again to to beg the results of the analysis of flight recorders. Moscow has so far, except the remains of the victims of the catastrophe and accusations against the pilot of the Tu-154 and Lech Kaczynski, yet published. Reconciliation phenomenon?

Unanswered legal assistance request

There was never a joint Polish-Russian Commission of Inquiry on the plane crash. From the first moment given the Russians the result of investigations, while they were on the day of the disaster alone. Polish experts were allowed to watch from the second day which made their "colleagues" from Moscow and nothing else. The Polish public does not understand why Poland was given no right to independent investigations on the ground and still not be, although this is about the death of their president. Attorney General Seremet will ask during his visit to Moscow also again for more insight into the investigation and pressure to make regarding the answers to a number of unanswered legal assistance requests. This includes the issues belong to the equipment of the Smolensk airport at the time of the crash, the Internet circulating pictures of soldiers who, shortly after the disaster exchanged here landing lights, listening to an amateur video of the crash site before the arrival of emergency personnel on the shots are the whereabouts of several dozen spare magazines for the weapons of the Polish security forces, accurate weather data for the 10 April and to clarify the question why only one vehicle of the airport fire service and the first arriving ambulance lights flashing and sirens from Smolensk without hurrying to the crash site.

Fourth flight recorder appeared

While the important information is officially becoming thinner from the flight recorders to take the Mysteriösitäten. After offiellen information from Moscow now a fourth flight recorder of the Tupolev has occurred. Where does the Russian investigators suddenly have this part is not yet known. No less dubious is also a new report from the Polish Ministry of Interior, which states that should have at the time of the crash has already been BOR officials of the Polish special unit at the airport in Smolensk. You have the first one who saw what had happened and had already arrived on the day before the disaster to prepare for the protection of the Polish delegation. These officials are said to have brought the cell phones, notebooks and documents of the victims to safety. Whether it based on the known films missing body parts have seen, or even had access to the Tower was not stated. "They were the first to be at the crash site, your statements are extremely valuable for the Polish investigators," commented one of the prosecutors involved in the investigations, the report from the ministry.

Smolensk airport has Flughafenkennfeuer "Beacon"

It is said that the crashed Tupolev Tu-154M landing was too low and crashed, before reaching the 2, 5-kilometer runway, after contact with trees. Why the plane came in at least 50 meters lower than it should be is not yet known, but speculation on this is strong. But the speculation is unfortunately anything but fantastic. Each of the three pilots on board was itself several times with different aircraft in Smolensk. On board the Tupolev was itself an updated handbook to the characteristics of technology and orthography of the mixed-use Severnyj Airports. Now it was announced that the airport even has a system has a Beacon, indicating that the pilot at intervals, at what distance and where it is located. The flashing beacon emitters are already visible from a great and far is also in dense fog. In Smolensk, the first radiator is one kilometers from the runway. The next lights in 4 km away and a third to six kilometers. Therein can adjust the pilot in bad weather its height.

Where did this fog?

The Tupolev was additionally all possible new safety technology on board, hereunder a Taws system, 3D simulators and three heights and speed sensor. The behavior of the Todesjet seconds before the disaster, for which there is also evidence could suggest that may not or does not a whole lot of equipment worked. What is true is also reflective of the notice of an inhabitant of the crash area, which the advent of the nebula on 10 April, described as a very unusual appearance: "At this season there is usually no fog here, but from minute to minute, did this with a density, as I had never seen it, suddenly I even saw not the house of my neighbor more ". The man lived but a few miles from the airport Severnyj away. What struck him, but in the context was an Ilyushin, which before the appearance of the fog drew circles in the sky. According to the Polish public prosecutor, they had no legal means to examine the kinds of things to own on-site. These issues are governed by bilateral agreements. If the disaster had not happened in Russia, we would certainly have created quickly in other countries, a common and equivalent of inquiry. Curiously, Lech Kaczynski had himself signed last year an agreement with Russia.

Political games?

Poland has scored one of the four black boxes themselves. This is supposed to provide all the data, which chronicled the Russian Black Boxes. The Government will publish the results but not before these could not be synchronized with the Russian readouts. The Russians know for sure but certainly not all details of Polish knowledge of the fatal flight. Then one is set in Moscow in time to get over the pressure of the Polish public to findings from Warsaw. The news about the boron security forces at the crash site, not even be true shortly after the disaster, must, as is the fourth story of the now fallen out of the blue flight recorder. Both sides may bluff Mutually order to draw information from the nose. Thus, we might soon expect the sensation that the crashed Tupolev not at all those with the serial number was 101, but this for some time in Russia's Samara to overhaul stands. Thus was then, for whatever reason, the sister machine victims of the disaster in Russia. It is certain yet but that one had survived the crash, at least, the Polish eagle from the lounge of the President. He was unharmed on Tuesday handed over to Poland.

"Polskaweb" will continue to keep you and up to date on the background and investigations on the disaster to date.
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« Reply #579 on: May 06, 2010, 09:02:00 AM »

New Findings Of Investigations - A video Of The Crash Site Is Authentic (Translated)
Release Date: 04/27/2010 20:35
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Authors of photos: EAST NEWS
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During a recent press conference the Military Prosecutor's Office informed of new findings in the investigation into the presidential plane crash. It turns out that the amateur video of the crash site is authentic, and onboard the aircraft there could be up to five black boxes.

There has so far claimed four, but five black boxes were on board the TU-154, which crashed on April 10 near Smolensk. The most recently found box is already in Poland and is being tested by experts from the Institute of Military technology. We still do not know what time the crash occurred, or what was its cause. The time of the Smolensk disaster is still not known. It is known that the fuel was sufficient, and that the investigation has already interviewed sixty witnesses, according to the District Military Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw.

See also: Black box reveals the truth

During a special press conference investigators also confirmed that the amateur video of the crash site was not manipulated, and may contain authentic audio. We were informed that the Military District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw is continuing the investigation - examining witnesses and analyzing documents related to the flight.
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« Reply #580 on: May 09, 2010, 09:18:34 AM »

Much more information on this:

Regime Change By Plane Crash
http://www.prisonplanet.com/regime-change-by-plane-crash.html

Poland Slams Plane Crash Investigation Following Release Of Video
http://www.prisonplanet.com/poland-slams-plane-crash-investigation-following-release-of-video.html

Polish Military: Rastych Video Authentic
http://www.prisonplanet.com/polish-military-crash-site-video-authentic.html

Smolensk tragedy: why is Donald Tusk lying? Asks Polskaweb
http://theflucase.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3430%3Asmolensk-tragedy-why-is-donald-tusk-lying-asks-polskaweb&catid=41%3Ahighlighted-news&Itemid=105%E2%8C%A9=en

Polish Truth on Facebook: Polish President plane crash-suspicious facts vs. conspiracy manipulations
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=103590283017486

Polish Truth
http://polishtruth.wordpress.com

RaMPA – Reakcja Mlodych Patriotow / Reaction of Young Patriots
http://www.rampa.webd.pl/pages/home.php
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« Reply #581 on: May 17, 2010, 05:28:31 AM »


A great video in English explaining all the information that is not being reported.


POLISH PLANE CRASH - THE UNTOLD STORY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cSEa7rxYY

Jane burgermeister presents the facts of the Polish Plane crash that the MSM fail to present.
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« Reply #582 on: May 17, 2010, 10:13:17 PM »

A great video in English explaining all the information that is not being reported.


POLISH PLANE CRASH - THE UNTOLD STORY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7cSEa7rxYY

Jane burgermeister presents the facts of the Polish Plane crash that the MSM fail to present.


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« Reply #583 on: May 17, 2010, 11:12:16 PM »

Don't forget to have a look at this deshaked version of the Video as well:

deshaked version of the plane crash footage, best image quality i could find
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeFPHDxOXYo
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« Reply #584 on: May 19, 2010, 05:16:35 AM »

Kaczynski Plane Crash Inquiry: Passengers in cockpit before catastrophe
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« Reply #585 on: May 19, 2010, 05:53:52 AM »

THIS WAS POLAND's  911   Cry

May 19   Officials investigating the plane crash that killed Poland president and 95 others in April say that
passengers were in the cockpit before the crash.  Non-crew voices heard in recordings influenced the crew to land despite
warnings of bad conditions and poor visibility.  The crew of assassins was formed only a few days before the flight.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/19/experts-say-passengers-cockpit-crash-killed-polish-president

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/10125435.stm

I was really stunned today to see this!  Hello 911 was my first thought - the PA plane.
Most of this kinda news doesnt come out in public - but remains secret.
I put a lot about this in my forum too - http://cj.myfreeforum.org/about483.html

A few days ago a friend of mine said Poland was 'the holdout' .. but I cant find what he meant or a link.  HELP.

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« Reply #586 on: June 08, 2010, 09:21:42 AM »

Russian Soldiers Charged in Polish Crash Thefts

MOSCOW — Four Russian soldiers who were assigned to guard the still-smoldering remains of a Polish airliner in April were charged Tuesday with stealing bank cards that belonged to an official who died in the crash, said Vladimir V. Markin, a spokesman for the Investigative Committee of the Russian general prosecutor.

Over the weekend, Russia’s Interior Ministry emphatically denied Polish allegations that police had taken valuables from the dead, calling them “blasphemous and cynical.” But on Tuesday morning, Moscow acknowledged that four soldiers had been caught with stolen bank cards. The four conscripts, who were part of a cordon around the crash site, have been charged with theft by an organized group, Mr. Markin said.

Between one and three hours after the crash, about $1,700 was withdrawn using a bank card belonging to Andrzej Przewoznik, who oversaw war memorials and commemorations in Poland, prosecutors in Warsaw announced on Monday. The four suspects, who have admitted their guilt, spent the money on food and alcohol, a regional official in Smolensk told the Itar-Tass news service, speaking on condition of anonymity.

The theft could tarnish the atmosphere of cooperation that drew Russia and Poland together in April. Poland’s president, Lech Kaczynski, his wife, and dozens of other officials were killed when the plane tried to land in a heavy fog on the way to a ceremony commemorating the massacre of 20,000 Polish officers during World War II. A display of compassion from Russian officials after the crash seemed to end the long chill that had set in between the two neighbors.

The Polish daily newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza editorialized that both countries had “behaved badly” when allegations of theft emerged, faulting Poland for blaming the police and Russia for its “woeful” response, including a decision to confirm the news “quietly, in the late evening and unofficially.” The dispute was eclipsed in Poland by a more pressing issue — river flooding which has struck in two deadly waves and engulfed large swaths of the country.

Aleksei Kuznetsov, a spokesman for Russia’s Defense Ministry, said the ministry would “offer an apology and will be ready to compensate for the stolen money immediately” if the suspects are tried and convicted.

Investigators said on Tuesday that the suspects took five cards and managed to steal 60,345 rubles, or approximately $1,890. The four men — identified as Sergei Syrov, Igor Pustovar, Artur Pankratov and Yuri Sankov — were assigned to provide maintenance for the airfield. Three of the four suspects had previously been convicted of crimes — one of burglary, one of holding counterfeit currency, and one of theft, according to the Investigative Committee.

Pawel Gras, a spokesman for the Polish government, said Sunday that three riot policemen had been arrested. Russia’s Interior Ministry then issued a statement vehemently denying the account, and noting that Poland’s acting president had decorated four Russian officers for their service to Poland.

“In this context, the accusations brought against police officers from Smolensk sound even more blasphemous and cynical,” an Interior Ministry spokesman said.

It was unclear which government uncovered the thefts. Russia’s Investigative Committee said Tuesday that the soldiers’ commanders had informed law enforcement about the discovery of foreign bank cards, and only later heard from Polish investigators that victims’ cards had been used. Polish authorities, however, said they had informed their Russian counter parts about the crime on May 21 and that Russia had undertaken an investigation at their request.

It is not the first such prosecution to follow an air disaster in Russia. Two years ago, two police officers in Perm were charged with stealing jewelry from the site of a crash that killed 88 people. Prosecutors said some 3,000 pieces of jewelry collected from the fuselage went missing. The valuables were found a day later at the home of a police officer, who said a colleague had talked him into the theft while they were drinking.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/world/europe/09russia.html
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« Reply #587 on: June 08, 2010, 10:42:46 PM »

Even Russian Spetznaz clean-and-sweep teams can't stop themselves from taking time out of their busy day to commit identity theft.  Is there anyone in Russia that isn't a criminal or a gangster, or are those people all dead?
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« Reply #588 on: June 20, 2010, 05:42:02 PM »

Yes, the President has/had a twin brother, quite alive, the Prime Minister.  They starred in a movie together as children.  Both were members of the "Law and  Justice" Party.

Undoubtedly, people will rally behind the brother.


Assassinated President's brother could still win in July 4 runoff election!

Running against pro-EU candidate, of course.

There is still reason for hope that this will have back-fired.
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« Reply #589 on: June 20, 2010, 09:54:10 PM »

Assassinated President's brother could still win in July 4 runoff election!

Running against pro-EU candidate, of course.

There is still reason for hope that this will have back-fired.

I thought this was decided, is there a link?
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« Reply #590 on: June 20, 2010, 09:57:59 PM »

I thought this was decided, is there a link?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/world/96756714.html

A somber election season in Poland was prolonged by two weeks Sunday when a first round of voting produced no immediate successor to Lech Kaczynski, the president killed more than two months ago in a plane crash.

Results show the interim president and parliament speaker, Bronislaw Komorowski, is leading Kaczynski's identical twin, Jaroslaw Kaczynski. But Komorowski appeared to fall short of the 50 percent needed for outright victory.

The two leaders must now go head-to-head in a runoff vote on July 4, without eight other candidates who ran Sunday.
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« Reply #591 on: June 20, 2010, 10:12:42 PM »

http://www.wfaa.com/news/world/96756714.html

A somber election season in Poland was prolonged by two weeks Sunday when a first round of voting produced no immediate successor to Lech Kaczynski, the president killed more than two months ago in a plane crash.

Results show the interim president and parliament speaker, Bronislaw Komorowski, is leading Kaczynski's identical twin, Jaroslaw Kaczynski. But Komorowski appeared to fall short of the 50 percent needed for outright victory.

The two leaders must now go head-to-head in a runoff vote on July 4, without eight other candidates who ran Sunday.

let me guess...

Komorowski is Bilderberg
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« Reply #592 on: June 20, 2010, 10:30:22 PM »

Yeah, sorry I'm at work in my part of the world.  I saw the story about the runoff election in today's New York Times.
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« Reply #593 on: June 20, 2010, 10:43:35 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/world/europe/21poland.html?hpw

re. Runoff election July 4 (!) in Poland.

Go Poland -- vote for Independence!
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« Reply #594 on: July 12, 2012, 02:47:34 PM »

I don't think anyone has mentioned this here, so...

After 4/10 happened, the very same day, a whole lot of -- mostly elderly -- people appeared on the plaza in front of the presidential palace in Warsaw and began mourning the government officials who died in the plane crash and praying. They also brought a huge wooden cross with them. And this continued every day for several months... Very quickly, there was suddenly an opposing reaction to that movement in the media, with a lot of people demanding that the cross be removed from the public, saying it "hurts feelings" of non-Christians... Soon enough, there appeared -- literally -- armies of angry drunk atheist youth clashing with the old people praying there... Ultimately, the cross was taken away by the police (I think) in August 2010.
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« Reply #595 on: July 12, 2012, 05:35:07 PM »

I don't think anyone has mentioned this here, so...

After 4/10 happened, the very same day, a whole lot of -- mostly elderly -- people appeared on the plaza in front of the presidential palace in Warsaw and began mourning the government officials who died in the plane crash and praying. They also brought a huge wooden cross with them. And this continued every day for several months... Very quickly, there was suddenly an opposing reaction to that movement in the media, with a lot of people demanding that the cross be removed from the public, saying it "hurts feelings" of non-Christians... Soon enough, there appeared -- literally -- armies of angry drunk atheist youth clashing with the old people praying there... Ultimately, the cross was taken away by the police (I think) in August 2010.

I can't find any articles about "drunk atheist youth", but this is an interesting twist. It would not surprise me if the newly installed puppet government used this type of controlled opposition to erase any public reminders of the Kaczynski government.



Poles clash over memorial cross
Protesters prevent removal of religious symbol erected in remembrance of Lech Kaczynski.

Last Modified: 03 Aug 2010 20:46 GMT

Kaczynski's political rivals argue that the cross should be moved away from state to church ground [AFP]

Protesters have managed to prevent Polish officials from moving a cross erected outside Warsaw's presidential palace in memory of Lech Kaczynski, the late president, who died in a plane crash in April. About 20 demonstrators, supported by a cheering crowd of hundreds, clashed with police and pleaded with priests who were supposed to move it to the nearby St Anne's Church. The cross, erected by a scouting group after the crash, has become the centre of a de facto shrine to the president and others killed in the crash. Kaczynski's political rivals argue that the makeshift symbol, festooned with flowers and candles, should be moved away from state to church ground.

more: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2010/08/201083185833905343.html


Thousands of Poles protest Presidential Palace cross memorial

Predominantly Catholic Poland is divided over whether a cross remembering late president, Lech Kaczynski, and other victims of a plane crash four months ago should remain outside the Presidential Palace.
by Aaron J Leichman, Christian PostPosted: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 5:21

http://www.christiantoday.com/article/thousands.of.poles.protest.presidential.palace.cross.memorial/26473.htm

Poles clash with police to keep cross in heart of Warsaw
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Protesters in Poland have saved a temporary cross to the late president, from being moved from outside Warsaw's Presidential palace. The wooden cross was placed there following the Smolensk plane crash that killed Lech Kaczynski and 95 others. President elect, Bronislaw Komorowski, doesn't want the religious symbol outside a government building. Palace officials eventually relented saying they didn't want the cross to be part of a political game.

Religion in Poland

Most residents of Poland adhere to the Christian faith, with 89.8% belonging to the Roman Catholic Church.[1] Catholicism plays an important role in the lives of many Poles and the Roman Catholic Church in Poland enjoys social prestige and political influence.[2] The Church is widely respected by its members, who see it as a symbol of Polish heritage and culture.[3] The rest of the population consists mainly of Eastern Orthodox (about 806,000 believers, Polish and Belarussians[4]), Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland (about 85,000) and various Protestant (about 250,000, with about 130,000 Jehovah's Witnesses in the largest religious minorities.[5][6]

According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll 2005:[7]

    80% of Polish citizens responded that "they believe there is a God" (which was the fifth highest result in Europe).
    15% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force".
    3% answered that "don't know".
    2% answered that "they do not believe there is any sort of spirit, God or life force".

According to the most recent CBOS opinion poll published in the fall of 2008:[8]

    94% of Poles claim "they believe in God",
    6% claim they "do not believe in God or do not know",
    52% of believers claim "they attend to mass, religious meetings etc. at least once a week",
    while 17% do so "once or twice a month",
    18% do so "a few times a year",
    and 13% "never do so".

From the beginning of its statehood, different religious coexisted in Poland and some minorities were tolerated by rulers of Poland. In the 16th and 17th centuries, Poland was famous for its unique religious tolerance (see Statute of Kalisz (1264) and Warsaw Confederation (1573)).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Poland
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« Reply #596 on: September 04, 2013, 07:06:12 AM »

"Most residents of Poland adhere to the Christian faith, with 89.8% belonging to the Roman Catholic Church."
That may have been true 10 years ago. Now it's about 70%, maybe less...
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« Reply #597 on: April 12, 2014, 07:53:10 AM »

Friday 11th April, 2014

Smolensk air disaster 'was caused by mystery explosion'

The Smolensk air disaster that claimed the lives of the former president, his wife and 94 others, was caused by a mysterious explosion on board that ripped the aircraft apart according to a Polish MP

An official air-crash investigation concluded the disaster was an accident caused by a number of factors such as pilot error and thick fog enveloping Smolensk airport as the Tupolev Tu-154 government plane tried to land at Smolensk airport in western Russia on the morning of April 10, 2010.
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