NATO strike? Polish elite assassinated in downed plane for not accepting €Euro

[citizenx]

Trees clipped, yes.
 But, that could also be a shoot-down, too, but so far no reports of missile or anti-aircraft, so some sort of PTECH-style remote override does seem likely.

[Jackson Holly]

I haven't seen any news on what is revealed by the 'black boxes' ... has anyone else?

Is that info going to be manipulated? What's taking so long?

Also ... assuming this was a political decapitation by forces within the NWO, I wonder
who in Poland was involved? And if they will have control of the black box 'investigation' ...

[Viper]

..Also ... assuming this was a political decapitation by forces within the NWO, I wonder
who in Poland was involved? And if they will have control of the black box 'investigation' ...

Well they did manage to set up a monument to and enemy country without much fuss in Israel.

[Femacamper]

I haven't seen any news on what is revealed by the 'black boxes' ... has anyone else?

Is that info going to be manipulated? What's taking so long?

Also ... assuming this was a political decapitation by forces within the NWO, I wonder
who in Poland was involved? And if they will have control of the black box 'investigation' ...

I heard that they were both in good condition, and confiscated by Russian authorities.

[citizenx]

If Tusk's gov't. finds anything they just might sit on it as it would call into question their legitimacy.

[Piltdown Man]

what about able's suggestion about next day looting???....anybody got timestamp on this?

fires wouldn't be burning next day...
find out what time the train goes by, there's a train whistle in the background
Smolensk train timetable anyone?

[Femacamper]

fires wouldn't be burning next day...
find out what time the train goes by, there's a train whistle in the background
Smolensk train timetable anyone?

Train Timetable (10.10.2009)
http://www.rowingbrest.by/page-316-en.htm

Train #307
Smolensk - Brest
Departure: Minsk
Departure Time: 22.48
Arrival: Brest
Arrival Time: 8.34
When: daily
Trip time: 10.10

Train #308
Brest - Smolensk
Departure: Brest
Departure Time: 20.34
Arrival: Minsk
Arrival Time: 6.07
When: daily
Trip time: 09:55

[Piltdown Man]

here's how CFR Polish pres likely replacement is connected:

http://www.muckety.com/Andrzej-Olechowski/2681.muckety

[Femacamper]

It would most likely have to be a cargo train, seeing as how the passenger trains are not operating apparently at that time.

[Piltdown Man]

Femacamper wrote:

From:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8612825.stm

The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT).

The train from Smolensk/Minsk would have left at 10:48. So the train coming by around then would confirm the timeline of the video perfectly, since the crash site is just outside Smolensk.

that seems likely to be the train..
And those fires look too big to be a day later...surely the nearby airport would have plenty of equipment handy to put out fires burning up a plane carrying important people pretty quickly, certainly before nightfall.

[Femacamper]

Femacamper wrote:
that seems likely to be the train..
And those fires look too big to be a day later...surely the nearby airport would have plenty of equipment handy to put out fires burning up a plane carrying important people pretty quickly, certainly before nightfall.

Mixed up the AM and the PM there...no, if it's a train (likely) it's a cargo train of some kind.

[Piltdown Man]

here's how CFR Polish pres likely replacement is connected:

http://www.muckety.com/Andrzej-Olechowski/2681.muckety

Olechowsky, who just threw in his hat to replace Kaczynski, interestingly, is big in Textron, aerospace intelligence/homeland security

Textron Systems  http://www.textron.com/textron_businesses/index.jsp

Textron Systems [4] segment has been providing innovative solutions to the defense, intelligence, homeland security and aerospace communities for over 50 years. Textron Systems includes AAI Corporation, Lycoming Engines, Overwatch, Textron Defense Systems, and Textron Marine & Land Systems.

[Piltdown Man]

also, on the subject of fires, compare this video with the amateur one up on infowars:
this is supposedly the first on-site (sanctioned) vid taken, and the fires are all nearly out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucwf6DvpG4

[Femacamper]

also, on the subject of fires, compare this video with the amateur one up on infowars:
this is supposedly the first on-site (sanctioned) vid taken, and the fires are all nearly out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nucwf6DvpG4

By that time it would have been later. Perhaps they were at the end of their burning.

[Femacamper]

Olechowsky, who just threw in his hat to replace Kaczynski, interestingly, is big in Textron, aerospace intelligence/homeland security

Textron Systems  http://www.textron.com/textron_businesses/index.jsp

Textron Systems [4] segment has been providing innovative solutions to the defense, intelligence, homeland security and aerospace communities for over 50 years. Textron Systems includes AAI Corporation, Lycoming Engines, Overwatch, Textron Defense Systems, and Textron Marine & Land Systems.

Good now everyone in Poland is getting bio-chips sooner or later I bet.

[Dig]

Good now everyone in Poland is getting bio-chips sooner or later I bet.

the dead president exposed the swine poison vaccine and was against microchipping.

yeah fog, sure it was fog, nothing to see move along

[Femacamper]

the dead president exposed the swine poison vaccine and was against microchipping.

yeah fog, sure it was fog, nothing to see move along

They'll probably blame an upcoming al-CIA-da nuke attack on fog...

We had their passport information, we were going to arrest them at the border...but there was this fog...

FOG, THE UNIVERSAL EXCUSE!!!

Just like a magician doing a magic trick...POOF! A little fog covers up everything...

[N.E.P.]

Katyn II - How Satanists Say "We're Sorry"


By Henry Makow, Ph.D.
http://www.henrymakow.com/katyn_ii_-_how_satanists_say_w_1.html

In April 1940, the Soviet NKVD massacred the cream of Poland's nationalist and Christian intelligentsia in the Katyn Forest and elsewhere. They were slaughtered because they wouldn't agree to join the Communists in fronting a future occupation of Poland.

Seventy years later, on April 10, 2010, the heirs of the NKVD, who still run Russia, probably finished the job. They probably engineered a plane crash which killed the Polish President, the heads of the army and navy, the secret service and much of the patriotic wing of the Polish government. Thus they neatly eliminated one more obstacle to Satanic world  government which is descending on the planet like a dreaded darkness.

This is how Satanists say, "We're sorry!" By repeating the outrage, again and again, until they are finally stopped.

The grounds for suspicion are numerous.

1. The plane was Russian and had recently been "refurbished" in Russia.
One blogger, a pilot, wrote, "Circumstances, however, point to a major accident or intentional blocking of the control system. Such a blockade may be intentionally installed so that it launched at a release from the chassis or flaps on the line immediately before landing." (Most information is from articles linked on Jane Burgermeister's site.)

2.  As in the Pentagon attack, where there was no wreckage, there were no bodies to be found. Here is the YouTube. If the plane was at tree height, there would have been survivors. There would have been bodies. There would been luggage. As with the 9-11 passengers, it is possible the occupants were taken off the plane somewhere else, held or murdered. On Saturday, Russian authorities said all bodies had been found. On Monday the story had changed.

A Polish observer wrote: "Given the unlikelihood of Poland's top political and military leaders flying on the same plan, the execution or kidnapping of some of them in Poland cannot be ruled out. To explain their deaths to the general public, their names could have been added to the passenger list. According to media, only 14 bodies could be identified in Moscow with the rest being too badly burned."

A Polish friend wrote to me:"There is no sign of even one body or blood, the Polish cameraman thought that the plane was empty and when he was walking and recording it, he just noticed in shock that the plane was Polish but still didn't know it was President's plane.
 
"The plane was very low, at the level of trees but they could recognize only 14 bodies, the rest was shattered into pieces or burnt and needed DNA testing.
 
"They never called any ambulances, no doctors, only one fire engine and immediately they stated that nobody survived.In this video there is nobody searching for bodies, nobody looking if any people needed help, just fire engine and quite quickly coffins were sent. They said first that all the bodies were found and then next day, that only 14 could be recognized and they were still searching for bodies. There is lie after lie. Most of the people on the plane were the president's supporters and belonged to his party, being in strong opposition to prime minister who wasn't there.The cameraman was caught and pushed away from the place, he said later on TV that there was no chance there could be over 80 bodies ( which was cut off later from TV interview), he hasn't seen even one."

3. The entourage was supposed to travel by train. Suddenly the plans were changed and the generals were induced to join the group.

4. Eye witnesses heard explosions. A bomb? Another said the fog appeared just before the landing and quickly dispersed afterward. The Russians claimed the pilot didn't speak Russian which turned out to be a lie. The New York Times peddled the story that  the President made the pilot land against his better judgment. This is the same New York Times that hid Stalin's mass murders from the American people.

My Polish friend writes: "Others say clearly about hearing the noise like from a bomb exploding and then silence.Besides, if there are awful conditions the plane is not allowed to land and the airport is closed for landing.
 
"It seems, that they were just normally trying to land with no worries and problems and suddenly something happened with the plane that lead all of them to death.
 
"The most valuable, christian and patriotic head of Poland has been wiped out with one blow, now the way is free, nobody will interrupt big brother any more."

I don't know how the Satanists pulled off 9-11 but I know the official story is not true. The same applies here. Accidents like this don't happen by accident. In one stroke, the globalist Masons, who are behind Putin as well as Obama, removed a thorn in their side.

Yes the Poles are in Afghanistan, but they had been steering an independent course on the Euro and the EU, and they rejected the swine flu vaccine and hysteria.

By virtue of its Catholic heritage,  Poland is one of the last bastions of civilization in Europe. This will make the struggle of the Polish people, and all those resisting satanic and globalist enslavement, all the more difficult.

[citizenx]

I thought Satanism meant never having to say you're sorry.

[Dig]

Katyn II - How Satanists Say "We're Sorry"


By Henry Makow, Ph.D.
http://www.henrymakow.com/katyn_ii_-_how_satanists_say_w_1.html

In April 1940, the Soviet NKVD massacred the cream of Poland's nationalist and Christian intelligentsia in the Katyn Forest and elsewhere. They were slaughtered because they wouldn't agree to join the Communists in fronting a future occupation of Poland.

Seventy years later, on April 10, 2010, the heirs of the NKVD, who still run Russia, probably finished the job. They probably engineered a plane crash which killed the Polish President, the heads of the army and navy, the secret service and much of the patriotic wing of the Polish government. Thus they neatly eliminated one more obstacle to Satanic world  government which is descending on the planet like a dreaded darkness.

This is how Satanists say, "We're sorry!" By repeating the outrage, again and again, until they are finally stopped.

The grounds for suspicion are numerous.

1. The plane was Russian and had recently been "refurbished" in Russia.
One blogger, a pilot, wrote, "Circumstances, however, point to a major accident or intentional blocking of the control system. Such a blockade may be intentionally installed so that it launched at a release from the chassis or flaps on the line immediately before landing." (Most information is from articles linked on Jane Burgermeister's site.)

2.  As in the Pentagon attack, where there was no wreckage, there were no bodies to be found. Here is the YouTube. If the plane was at tree height, there would have been survivors. There would have been bodies. There would been luggage. As with the 9-11 passengers, it is possible the occupants were taken off the plane somewhere else, held or murdered. On Saturday, Russian authorities said all bodies had been found. On Monday the story had changed.

A Polish observer wrote: "Given the unlikelihood of Poland's top political and military leaders flying on the same plan, the execution or kidnapping of some of them in Poland cannot be ruled out. To explain their deaths to the general public, their names could have been added to the passenger list. According to media, only 14 bodies could be identified in Moscow with the rest being too badly burned."

A Polish friend wrote to me:"There is no sign of even one body or blood, the Polish cameraman thought that the plane was empty and when he was walking and recording it, he just noticed in shock that the plane was Polish but still didn't know it was President's plane.
 
"The plane was very low, at the level of trees but they could recognize only 14 bodies, the rest was shattered into pieces or burnt and needed DNA testing.
 
"They never called any ambulances, no doctors, only one fire engine and immediately they stated that nobody survived.In this video there is nobody searching for bodies, nobody looking if any people needed help, just fire engine and quite quickly coffins were sent. They said first that all the bodies were found and then next day, that only 14 could be recognized and they were still searching for bodies. There is lie after lie. Most of the people on the plane were the president's supporters and belonged to his party, being in strong opposition to prime minister who wasn't there.The cameraman was caught and pushed away from the place, he said later on TV that there was no chance there could be over 80 bodies ( which was cut off later from TV interview), he hasn't seen even one."

3. The entourage was supposed to travel by train. Suddenly the plans were changed and the generals were induced to join the group.

4. Eye witnesses heard explosions. A bomb? Another said the fog appeared just before the landing and quickly dispersed afterward. The Russians claimed the pilot didn't speak Russian which turned out to be a lie. The New York Times peddled the story that  the President made the pilot land against his better judgment. This is the same New York Times that hid Stalin's mass murders from the American people.

My Polish friend writes: "Others say clearly about hearing the noise like from a bomb exploding and then silence.Besides, if there are awful conditions the plane is not allowed to land and the airport is closed for landing.
 
"It seems, that they were just normally trying to land with no worries and problems and suddenly something happened with the plane that lead all of them to death.
 
"The most valuable, christian and patriotic head of Poland has been wiped out with one blow, now the way is free, nobody will interrupt big brother any more."

I don't know how the Satanists pulled off 9-11 but I know the official story is not true. The same applies here. Accidents like this don't happen by accident. In one stroke, the globalist Masons, who are behind Putin as well as Obama, removed a thorn in their side.

Yes the Poles are in Afghanistan, but they had been steering an independent course on the Euro and the EU, and they rejected the swine flu vaccine and hysteria.

By virtue of its Catholic heritage,  Poland is one of the last bastions of civilization in Europe. This will make the struggle of the Polish people, and all those resisting satanic and globalist enslavement, all the more difficult.

Makow always uses like 80% truth and 20% misinfo IMO.

Notice the following statements:

1] "In one stroke, the globalist Masons, who are behind Putin as well as Obama, removed a thorn in their side."

Unlike most of the article which is fact based, this statement is a huge leep without evidence. It may indeed be true, but he gives evidence of the other stuff but not this part. I do think it is an area worth pursuing to see how aligned Putin is to the Eurocrats NWO objective. I think especially because of this incident, it is very important to understand if a new "Hitler-Stalin" agreement had been established in prep for another great war.


2] "Seventy years later, on April 10, 2010, the heirs of the NKVD, who still run Russia, probably finished the job."

He NLP's an assuption about the heirs still running Russia, that is a stretch to say the least.

The article seems to focus on Russia but also mentions the issue with the Euro which is good, but the NLP leaves the reader focused on Russia mainly to the tie in with Katyn for emotional response. He fails to give the history of false flags which uses dates often to direct a narrative towards a patsy/target group. This is apparant in the OK City False Flag.

I think it is good that the "fog" theory is torn apart and would like to know more about the assumed items he mentions.

[Femacamper]

The wreckage in the crash seemed a little spread out for a plane that clipped into a tree.

[adissenter2]

First minutes after Polish President plane crash...Amateur footage...Shots in the background???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y

Among the identified victims of the presidential plane crash near Smolensk two were not on the list of passengers - lenta.ru portal informs, citing the Interfax news agency. Gave similar information portal newsru.com, citing a source in the Moscow headquarters, where he assisted the families of the victims of the disaster. Russian Ministry for emergency situations said they killed 96 people, and not the 97th. According to the caller's agent, on Tuesday evening 64 people were diagnosed, while two bodies have been identified, "conditionally". It is not known whether a further two people who were on board, but not included in the list of passengers or the crew or cabin crew.

No statement on the event details.

In turn, the Russian ministry for emergency situations said that the government in a plane crash near Smolensk aircraft killed 96 people. - About 97 victims are not confirmed - to inform the representative of the Ministry Jeliena Chernova. - Killed 96 people: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - she added.  Rumors about the 97 victims of the presidential aircraft accident occurred yesterday.

Polish flown today to the 32 coffins with the remains of victims of the disaster. Identification procedure, which began on April 11, continues. Specialists from the Russian Centre for Forensic Medicine, carried out by investigating DNA of the dead in the crash. In our center we have the latest technology, but according to the procedures can not be completed before testing April 21 - said a representative of the facility, which relies on agency RIA Novosti.

Here is a video making its rounds on youtube which was taken justminutes after the plane crash.  In the background, you can clearly hear 4 gunshots.  What is this about?

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/3186/Polish-Plane-Crash-Two-of-the-identified-bodies-were-not-on-the-list-of-passengers.aspx

[Femacamper]

First minutes after Polish President plane crash...Amateur footage...Shots in the background???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/3186/Polish-Plane-Crash-Two-of-the-identified-bodies-were-not-on-the-list-of-passengers.aspx

That would explain the gunshots...

[Brocke]

Smolensk crash witnesses come forward with official story key points: ..."no chance of survivors"... "visibility of no more then 50 meters"

Tv reported the crash 20 minutes later?! ..."I found out what happened only 20 minutes later when I turned on the tv"...

Sample 1
Smolensk crash: Locals eyewitness Kaczynski plane coming down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OytAQFCkFs&feature=related

Reminds me of this video...

Sample 2
Who is this man? 9-11 official story started minutes after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0wHeekgPqk

[Dig]

First minutes after Polish President plane crash...Amateur footage...Shots in the background???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y

http://www.newworldorderreport.com/News/tabid/266/ID/3186/Polish-Plane-Crash-Two-of-the-identified-bodies-were-not-on-the-list-of-passengers.aspx

and this is an actual story with sources?

[Femacamper]

and this is an actual story with sources?

Yes.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.onet.pl%2F2154992%2C12%2Cdwoch_zidentyfikowanych_cial_nie_bylo_na_liscie_pasazerow%2Citem.html&sl=pl&tl=en

Two of the Identified Bodies were not on the list of passengers?

Plane Crash Lech Kaczynski
PAP
http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/2154992,12,dwoch_zidentyfikowanych_cial_nie_bylo_na_liscie_pasazerow,item.html

Among the identified victims of the presidential plane crash near Smolensk two were not on the list of passengers - lenta.ru portal informs, citing the Interfax news agency. Gave similar information portal newsru.com, citing a source in the Moscow headquarters, where he assisted the families of the victims of the disaster. Russian Ministry for emergency situations said they killed 96 people, and not the 97th.

(HENCE THE DISPARITY IN THE NUMBERS KILLED)

According to the caller's agent, on Tuesday evening 64 people were diagnosed, while two bodies have been identified, "conditionally". It is not known whether a further two people who were on board, but not included in the list of passengers or the crew or cabin crew.

No statement on the event details.

In turn, the Russian ministry for emergency situations said that the government in a plane crash near Smolensk aircraft killed 96 people. - About 97 victims are not confirmed - to inform the representative of the Ministry Jeliena Chernova. - Killed 96 people: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - added. Rumors about the 97 victims of the presidential airplane accident occurred yesterday.

Polish flown today to the 32 coffins with the remains of victims of the disaster. Identification procedure, which began on April 11, continues. Specialists from the Russian Centre for Forensic Medicine, carried out by examining the DNA of the dead in the crash. - In our center we have the latest technology, but according to the procedures can not be completed before testing April 21 - said a representative of the facility, which relies on agency RIA Novosti.

[Dig]

Yes.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.onet.pl%2F2154992%2C12%2Cdwoch_zidentyfikowanych_cial_nie_bylo_na_liscie_pasazerow%2Citem.html&sl=pl&tl=en

Two of the Identified Bodies were not on the list of passengers?

Plane Crash Lech Kaczynski
PAP
http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/2154992,12,dwoch_zidentyfikowanych_cial_nie_bylo_na_liscie_pasazerow,item.html

Among the identified victims of the presidential plane crash near Smolensk two were not on the list of passengers - lenta.ru portal informs, citing the Interfax news agency. Gave similar information portal newsru.com, citing a source in the Moscow headquarters, where he assisted the families of the victims of the disaster. Russian Ministry for emergency situations said they killed 96 people, and not the 97th.

(HENCE THE DISPARITY IN THE NUMBERS KILLED)

According to the caller's agent, on Tuesday evening 64 people were diagnosed, while two bodies have been identified, "conditionally". It is not known whether a further two people who were on board, but not included in the list of passengers or the crew or cabin crew.

No statement on the event details.

In turn, the Russian ministry for emergency situations said that the government in a plane crash near Smolensk aircraft killed 96 people. - About 97 victims are not confirmed - to inform the representative of the Ministry Jeliena Chernova. - Killed 96 people: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - added. Rumors about the 97 victims of the presidential airplane accident occurred yesterday.

Polish flown today to the 32 coffins with the remains of victims of the disaster. Identification procedure, which began on April 11, continues. Specialists from the Russian Centre for Forensic Medicine, carried out by examining the DNA of the dead in the crash. - In our center we have the latest technology, but according to the procedures can not be completed before testing April 21 - said a representative of the facility, which relies on agency RIA Novosti.

thanks, there must be an official statement backing this up soon.

[N.E.P.]

I thought Satanism meant never having to say you're sorry.

 

Makow always uses like 80% truth and 20% misinfo IMO.

Notice the following statements:

1] "In one stroke, the globalist Masons, who are behind Putin as well as Obama, removed a thorn in their side."

Unlike most of the article which is fact based, this statement is a huge leep without evidence. It may indeed be true, but he gives evidence of the other stuff but not this part. I do think it is an area worth pursuing to see how aligned Putin is to the Eurocrats NWO objective. I think especially because of this incident, it is very important to understand if a new "Hitler-Stalin" agreement had been established in prep for another great war.


2] "Seventy years later, on April 10, 2010, the heirs of the NKVD, who still run Russia, probably finished the job."

He NLP's an assuption about the heirs still running Russia, that is a stretch to say the least.

The article seems to focus on Russia but also mentions the issue with the Euro which is good, but the NLP leaves the reader focused on Russia mainly to the tie in with Katyn for emotional response. He fails to give the history of false flags which uses dates often to direct a narrative towards a patsy/target group. This is apparant in the OK City False Flag.

I think it is good that the "fog" theory is torn apart and would like to know more about the assumed items he mentions.

yeah, he has a tendency to embellish a little. He's a good writer though.

[Dig]

yeah, he has a tendency to embellish a little. He's a good writer though.

great writer, that i think is part of the problem because if he just stayed on point with his great use of sourced info throughout, i think he would get a wider audience, and the articles would be more focused towards the elites rather than sub groups. of course i do the same dang thing, but unlike him,  i am a terrible writer ; )

[Jackson Holly]

Wreckage from the plane crash that killed Poland's president,
Lech Kaczynski. Photograph: Sipa Press/Rex Features


Polish plane crash: pilots were not pressured to land

Black box analysis dispels rumours that passengers on
President Lech Kaczynski's plane ordered pilots to land in fog

    * Luke Harding in Moscow
    * guardian.co.uk, Thursday 15 April 2010 15.04 BST

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/15/polish-plane-crash-lech-kaczynksi

Russian investigators said today the black box retrieved from Saturday's devastating plane crash that killed Poland's president, Lech Kaczynski, did not provide any evidence that the pilots had been pressured to land.

Officials said transcripts of conversations from inside the cockpit rebutted widespread theories that the Polish delegation had insisted the pilot land, despite heavy fog at Smolensk airport.

"There is no confirmation that any of the high-ranking passengers ordered the pilots to land near Smolensk. The flight recorder, whose tapes are being deciphered, did not register any pressure on crew members," a source close to the commission investigating the crash told the Russian news agency Interfax.

This week Poland's former prime minister Leszek Miller told the Guardian he thought Kaczynski may have personally contributed to the accident by insisting the pilots land in Smolensk in western Russia. Air traffic control on the ground had told the delegation to divert the plane to either Moscow or Minsk because of low visibility.

Kaczynski had been determined to reach Smolensk to attend a memorial service on the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre, Miller said.

"The president so wanted to be there. The pilot knew this and so they accepted the risk and in the process lost everything," the former social democratic prime minister said on Sunday.

Russian investigators said the most compelling explanation for the crash remained pilot error. They said the crew knew Smolensk's military Severny airfield was not equipped with a modern landing navigation system, unlike international airports. "The Polish side was properly informed about this well in advance," the source said.

Initial Russian reports had said that president's Tupulov plane attempted to land three times - and that on its fourth attempt it clipped a copse of trees between 500 to 700 metres short of the runway, and immediately broke up. Today, however, they confirmed there had been only one - disastrous - attempt to land. There were no survivors. Russian TV showed pictures of the upended wing and smouldering fuselage. Small fires burned in woods shrouded in fog.

Russia said it had formally handed over the black boxes to Poland. It also returned personal belongings and documents belonging to President Kaczynski, which were retrieved from the crash site.

The catastrophe also killed the president's wife, Maria, and dozens of top officials from Poland's military and clergy, as well as historians, Solidarity activists, and senior government servants.

Forensic investigators have so far identified 70 of the 96 victims.

The bodies of the Polish president and his wife are lying in state at the presidential palace in Warsaw. A state funeral will be held in Krakow on Sunday, with the US president, Barack Obama, and his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, among the attendees.

• This article was updated on 16 April 2010. The original referred to earlier Russian reports that the Polish plane tried to land three times before its fourth and final attempt. This information has been updated to include a new Russian report on 15 April stating that there had been a single attempt.

[Brocke]

FROM THE PROFESSIONAL PILOTS RUMOUR NETWORK FORUM

To me that's just a minor detail in the full picture. The real questions still remain to be answered:

- Why was this approach commenced at all with all numbers firmly below legal minima?
- Why was the airport not formally closed, when clearly the criteria for continued safe operations were not met? (a stark contrast to the mass hysteria over Europe at present )

Plenty of speculation on both, but still no official word...

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/411701-polish-government-tu154m-crash-34.html#post5638742

[Femacamper]

A good article that sums up a lot of the information and puts the pieces together a little bit more:

What is the conspiracy with the Polish Plane Crash? How about these facts...

Polish Plane Crash: Two of the identified bodies were not on the list of passengers?2010 Grupa Onet.pl SA

Among the identified victims of the presidential plane crash near Smolensk two were not on the list of passengers - lenta.ru portal informs, citing the Interfax news agency. Gave similar information portal newsru.com, citing a source in the Moscow headquarters, where he assisted the families of the victims of the disaster. Russian Ministry for emergency situations said they killed 96 people, and not the 97th. According to the caller's agent, on Tuesday evening 64 people were diagnosed, while two bodies have been identified, "conditionally". It is not known whether a further two people who were on board, but not included in the list of passengers or the crew or cabin crew.

No statement on the event details.

In turn, the Russian ministry for emergency situations said that the government in a plane crash near Smolensk aircraft killed 96 people. About 97 victims are not confirmed. To inform the representative of the Ministry Jeliena Chernova. It killed 96 people: 88 passengers and 8 crew members - she added. There were rumors floating around about how the accident killed 97 yesterday.

Polish flown today to the 32 coffins with the remains of victims of the disaster. Identification procedure, which began on April 11, continues. Specialists from the Russian Centre for Forensic Medicine, carried out by investigating DNA of the dead in the crash. In our center we have the latest technology, but according to the procedures can not be completed before testing April 21- said a representative of the facility, which relies on agency RIA Novosti.

Here is a video making its rounds on Youtube which was taken just minutes after the plane crash.  In the background, you can clearly hear 4 gunshots.  What is this about?

First minutes after Polish President



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgKTW3jm_Y

Ex-KGB Agent and man who was behind Russian Apartment Building False Flag Terrorism which he used to bring himself to power, Putin, is in charge of the investigation into the crash.  Wait, WHAT!?

Take a look who was on the flight:

• Krystyna Bochenek,57, Polishpolitician,plane crash. [1](Polish)
• MironChodakowski, 52, Polish Orthodox prelate,Archbishop of Military ordinariate of Poland (since1998), plane crash. [2](Polish)
• Leszek Deptuła,57, Polish politician,plane crash. [3](Polish)
• Grzegorz Dolniak,50, Polish politician,plane crash. [4](Polish)
• JaninaFetlińska, 57, Polish politician,plane crash. [5](Polish)
• FranciszekGągor, 58, Polish general, Chief of the GeneralStaff of the Polish Army (since 2006), plane crash. [6](Polish)
• GrażynaGęsicka, 59, Polish politician,Minister of Regional Development (2006 - 2007), plane crash. [7](Polish)
• PrzemysławGosiewski, 45, Polish politician,plane crash. [8](Polish)
• Mariusz Handzlik,44, Polishdiplomat,plane crash. [9](Polish)
• IzabelaJaruga-Nowacka, 59, Polish politician,plane crash. [10](Polish)
• RyszardKaczorowski, 90, Polish politician,Presidentof Poland inexile(1989–1990), plane crash. [11](Polish)
• Lech Kaczyński,60, Polishpolitician,President ofPoland (since 2005), plane crash. [12]
• Maria Kaczyńska,66, PolishFirstLady (since 2005), wife of LechKaczyński, plane crash. [13](Russian)
• SebastianKarpiniuk, 37, Polish politician,plane crash. [14](Polish)
• Andrzej Karweta,52, PolishViceAdmiral, commander-in-chiefof the Polish Navy, plane crash. [15](Polish)
• JanuszKochanowski, 69, Polish lawyer anddiplomat,Polish Ombudsman (since 2006), plane crash. [16](Polish)
• AndrzejKremer, 48, Polish lawyer anddiplomat,Deputy Foreign Minister (since 2008), plane crash. [17]
• JanuszKurtyka, 49, Polish historian,plane crash. [18](Polish)
• AleksandraNatalli-Świat, 51, Polish politician,plane crash. [19](Polish)
• PiotrNurowski, 65, Polish sportsadministrator, head of the Polish Olympic Committee (since2005), plane crash. [20]
• MaciejPłażyński, 52, Polish politician,plane crash. [21](Polish)
• Tadeusz Płoski,54, PolishRomanCatholic prelate,Bishopof Militaryordinariate of Poland (since 2004), plane crash. [22](Polish)
• Krzysztof Putra,52, Polishpolitician,plane crash. [23](Polish)
• Ryszard Rumianek,62, Polishrectorofthe CardinalStefanWyszyński University in Warsaw, plane crash. [24](Polish)
• Arkadiusz Rybicki,57, Polishpolitician,plane crash. [25](Polish)
• SławomirSkrzypek, 46, Polish banker, President of NationalBank of Poland, plane crash. [26]
• WładysławStasiak, 44, PolishChief of the Office ofthe President, plane crash. [27](Polish)
• AleksanderSzczygło, 47, Polish politician,chief of the NationalSecurity Bureausince 2009, plane crash. [28](Polish)
• JerzySzmajdziński, 59, Polish politician,presidential candidate (2010), plane crash. [29](Polish)
• JolantaSzymanek-Deresz, 55, Polish politician,plane crash. [30](Polish)
• AnnaWalentynowicz, 80, Polish tradeunionist, plane crash. [31](Polish)
• ZbigniewWassermann, 60, Polish politician,plane crash. [32](Polish)
• Wiesław Woda,63, Polish politician,plane crash. [33](Polish)
• EdwardWojtas, 55, Polish politician,plane crash. [34](Polish)
• Paweł Wypych,42, Polish politician,Secretary of State (since 2009), plane crash. [35](Polish)
• StanisławZając, 60, Polish politician,plane crash. [36](Polish)

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Why did Georgian TV predict the plane crash?  Here is the story on that:

http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/04/11/11838.shtml

The Polish Leaders were moving to weaken currency, read here:

http://governmentagainstthepeople.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/polands-leaders-move-to-weaken-currency-then-die-in-plane-crash/

Some internet forums are discussing the issue may be connected with Poland's refusal to cooperate with the United States and its demand to let military and private contractors in to place missiles.

Information Liberation posted a story saying that the Global Elite had them all murdered.  Read the story here:

http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=29908

One report made some interesting points -

From the Flu Case:

According to media, authorities are handling the deaths of top Polish political, military and economic leaders in aplane crash in the western Russian city of Smolensk on Saturday as anaccident.

But a day after the crash, many unanswered questions surround the event.

Polskaweb has said that an assassination cannot be ruled out.

There are many reasons to dismiss the official story of how Poland’s president, all of Poland's top army chiefs, the central bank governor and secret service chief died as a cover-up of massive proportions.

According to the mainstream media, the Polish delegation was flying from Warsaw to Smolensk to mark the 70thanniversary of the Katyn massacre of thousands of Poles by Soviet secret service during the Second World War.

But the official ceremony marking the Katyn anniversary was held earlier in the week on Wednesday and attended by Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and Russian head of state Vladimir Putin.

The Polish President Lech Kaczynski was not invited.

How come Presidnt Kaczynski and half of Poland’s government flew to Katyn three days after the official anniversary?

Why did 100 figures who are vital for the day-to-day functioning of the Polish government go to a relatively insignificant ceremony, and not to the main one?

What reason could there be for the Polish central bank governor to fly to Katyn to attend the ceremony?

Why did the 100 top Polish leaders all fly on the same plane?

How could security protocols that require that even a president and his deputy fly separately be so relaxed that somany key people needed to run the Polish government from day to day are allowed to fly on the same plane?

And in a Russian Tupolev plane, and to the traditional arch-enemy of Poland, Russia?

This massacre of the Polish elite occurred on the way to commemorate the murder of 4000 Polish officers and intellecturals massacred by the Soviets in 1940.

But what is the probability of a second massacre of the entire Polish leadership occurring in the same place 70 years later?

Why were none of the journalists that accompany the president on the plane as usual?

According to Polish media, journalists were told that they had been assigned to another plane that had had technical problems and they would, therefore, need to switch to a third plane, delaying their arrival in Katyn.

The delay of the journalists in arriving at the scene of the crash allowed a better manipulation of the media coverage.

According to Bild am Sonntag and the Berliner Zeitung,  a hotel close to the crash site was sealed off, possible to ensure that journalists who might have seen the crash could not send photos or reports.

A man who took pictures of the crash site using his mobile phone had to erase the photos at a police check point on his way home.

Polish and Russian officials said no-one survived the crash. All the bodies have been found, they allege - and yet at the same time, authorities say DNA tests will have to be carried out on the bones of many to identify them.

Have all the bodies been found? Or not?

Were there any bodies? How many?

What evidence is there that these people were on the plane to Smolensk at all apart from the passenger list issued by the authorities?

It is conceivable that the 100 top Polish leaders were rounded up in a purge and killed or kidnapped inside Poland and that the airplane accident in Russia was staged to explain their deaths.

A map of the air port north of Smolensk can be seen here:

http://maps.google.de/maps?%20hl=de&gl=de&ie=UTF8&ll=54.835896,32.063942&spn=0.110529,0.363579&t=h&z=12%20

Weather reports indicate clouds but little fog.

According to the official version, however, the plane hit trees as it approached Smolensk airport in thick fog, andcaught fire.

The plane made four landing attempts because of the fog, according to the mainstream media.

But another witness reported hearing an explosion.

The damage of the plane shown is consistent with an explosion.

Debris was scattered around an area one kilometer.

Pilot error was a possible reason for the crash, according to the official story.

But the pilots chosen to fly heads of state are highly qualified.

Why was the plane flying so low that it hit a tree? Weren’t the instruments measuring altitude on board working?

What was the co-pilot doing?

Where was the military escort? The security service detail?

Russian media reports said the pilots ignored advice from air traffic control to divert to another airport.

"The pilot was advised to land in Minsk, but decided to land in Smolensk," said the spokesman, Andrei Yevseyenkov.

But pilots have to follow a standardised procedure for landing and must divert if there is visibility is too poor.

Other reports say Kaczynski himself intervened to force the pilot to land. How likely is it that the pilot would listen to the president and not follow standard procedures?

How likely that the entire army leadership would allow Kaczynski to force the pilot to land. The head of the Polishair force was also on board according to the official story.

Smolensk airport is a military airport classified as a “ClassOne Aiport” that can handle all types of planes,though there are conflicting reports about whether it had an ILS system.

The media says the Tu-154 also has a questionable safety record, and the presidential plane was at least 20 years old.

But other sources say the plane had just undergone a service. A thorough check is routine before  a flight.

Planes as the safest means of travel in the world. Hardly any head of state has killed in a plane crash in the past 30 to 40 years. Now half the Polish government has died.

How likely is it that this was an accident?

Who gains from the death of so many leading Polish figures?

The main winner is Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk who has wiped out the entire opposition to his pro-euro, pro-IMF,pro-New World Order policies, even though they appear to be some allies sacrificed on the plane, including the pro swine flu vaccine ombudsman.

Nevertheless, the backbone of Polish opposition to the NWO appears to have been killed.

“Among the victims were key members of Poland’s biggest opposition party, Law and Justice, including current and former heads of the party’s parliamentary caucus, Grazyna Gesicka andP rzemyslaw Gosiewski as well as the party’s main economic expert Aleksandra Natalli-Swiat, and deputy parliamentary speaker Krzysztof Putra.

The list also includes deputy parliamentary speaker Jerzy Szmajdzinski, who was the presidential candidate of the opposition Left Democratic Alliance. That means the crash killed the presidential candidates of two of Poland’s three largest parties. Kaczynski had already won the endorsement of the opposition Law and Justice party. He was to officially declare his candidacy in May,” reports Bloomberg.

With President Kaczynski out of the way and thet wo presidential candidates, the next president can appoint the top army leaders and the central bank governor as well as judges - in short replace the entire Polish government with people friendly to the New World Order and Bilderberg agenda.

Tusk's presidential candidate Komorowski has just said he would set the date of a presidential election which had been due in October forward to June, giving Tusk's party an added advantage.

Tusk appears to be just a puppet for the NWO, operating across countries, and including Putin, who is supposed to be leading the probe in the crash in Russia.

The bodies of the victims have been taken to Moscow.

There is evidence that many government officials work for the private interests of an international corporate crime syndicate, gearing up for the total destruction of nation statesand the US dollar and euro to establish a one world government under the UN flagship.

Poland’s top leaders have defied the NWO by refusing the swine flu vaccination and postponing joining the euro, a“must”, according to IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn.

They have paid a heavy price.

True, Tusk appeared to support his health minister when she refused to buy the swine flu vaccine last autumn. But even the Austrian Health Minister criticized WHO for declaring a pandemic prematurely – but only after he saw how big the opposition to the vaccines in Austria already was.

Acting skills are vital for leadership, Adolf Hitler said.

By purging Poland of its top leadership and opposition, the NWO has sent out a signal, a clear warning to other government figures not to resist its agenda.

It is less likely that the Polish Health Minister will dare refuse vaccine the next time WHO declares a pandemic after this incident.

It is less likely that Greece’s central bankers and opposition parties will push for Greece to leave the Eurozone or operate a domestic currency in parallel with the euro.

That, anyway, is the calculation of the New World Order.

The murder of the Polish leaders signals the start of a new era of terror and could be the start of a whole series of purges of government officials opposing their agenda.

[Brocke]

Remains of the Tupolev. See unique photos

VIDEO
At the airport in Smolensk TRWA RECONSTRUCTION OF THE AIRCRAFT

In Smolensk, near the presidential Tupolev crash site, loading and completing the collection of debris. The experts - for the photos - trying to complete at least part of the machine. - It is usually done behind closed doors - says Grzegorz Sobczak, editor of the Polish winged. " Operator TVN24 been able to record this process.

The crash site of Presidential Tu-154M was already near Smolensk, virtually all large fragments of a broken plane. They were transported on specially prepared square Siewiernyj at the airport, where they are subjected to detailed examination. In these operations, to assist in the reconstruction of an accident up to a full picture of the presidential machine, part Russian and Polish experts.

Initially, fragments of a crashed airplane were to be gathered in a hangar, but abandoned that idea. - Submission of an aircraft already in progress, and most parts have been transported to the square. Transported longer wings, and fragments of shell, hulls or engines. Experts check element by element, or damage is the result of a collision with the earth or something could have happened earlier - reported on the site located Raphael Poniatowski, a reporter TVN24. He added that the most depressing and most impressive, however, stacked chairs in one place.

"The size of the fire was relatively small,"

Grzegorz Sobczak, editor of the Polish Winged "- commenting on the process of completing a recording of the remains of the plane - said that it confirms the theory that the machine struck the left wing of the tree. - Very well see that a very large part of the left wing was truncated - TVN24 Sobczak said. He added that the photos can be concluded that "the size of the fire was relatively small."

In Saturday's disaster, the government Tu-154 in Smolensk killed 96 people. So far managed to identify 76 bodies. Coffins with the bodies of the victims, which confirmed the identity of the family have already returned home.

http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1652391,0,1,skladaja-tupolewa-ze-szczatkow-zobacz-unikatowe-zdjecia,wiadomosc.html

[Brocke]

Interesting story of a TU-154 that lost 6 feet off a wing on takeoff and managed to circle around and make an emergency landing.

...The KC-135 was struck by a host nation TU-154 that was taking off. The TU-154's right wing struck the fairing of the KC-135's No. 1 engine. The force of the impact nearly severed the No. 1 engine from KC-135 and destroyed a portion of the aircraft's left wing. The TU-154 lost approximately six feet of its right wingtip, but was able to get airborne and return to the airport for an emergency landing with no additional damage to the aircraft.

The three aircrew members on board the KC-135, as well as the nine aircrew members and 52 passengers aboard the TU-154, survived the accident. None of the aircrew or passengers onboard the TU-154 sustained any injuries. One KC-135 crewmember sustained minor abrasions while evacuating the aircraft...
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123035834

[H0llyw00d]

Russia points to human error in fatal Polish crash

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Russian investigators suggested human error may have been to blame in the plane crash that killed the Polish president and 95 others, saying Monday that were no technical problems with the Soviet-made plane.

The Tu-154 went down while trying to land Saturday in dense fog near Smolensk airport in western Russia. All aboard were killed, including President Lech Kaczynski and dozens of Polish political, military and religious leaders.
They had been traveling in the Polish government-owned plane to attend a memorial at nearby Katyn forest honoring thousands of Polish military officers who were executed 70 years ago by Josef Stalin's secret police.
The pilot had been warned of bad weather in Smolensk, and was advised by traffic controllers to land elsewhere — which would have delayed the Katyn observances.
The pilot was identified as Capt. Arkadiusz Protasiuk, 36, and the co-pilot as Maj. Robert Grzywna, 36. Also on the cockpit crew were Ensign Andrzej Michalak, 36, and Lt. Artur Zietek, 31.
In Warsaw, there was concern that the pilots may have been asked by someone in the plane to land at Smolensk instead of diverting to Minsk or Moscow, in part to avoid missing the commemoration ceremonies.

In Warsaw, Polish Prosecutor General Andrzej Seremet said Polish investigators talked to the flight controller and flight supervisor and "concluded that there were no conditions for landing."
"The tower was advising against the landing," Seremet said.
Polish investigators have not yet listened to the cockpit conversations recorded on the black boxes, but will, to see if there were "any suggestions made to the pilots" from other people aboard the plane.
Polish media reported in August 2008 that pilots flying Kaczynski to Tbilisi refused the president's order to land there because of the country's military conflict with Russia, diverting instead to Azerbaijan.
In remarks shown on Russian television, Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov told a government meeting including President Dmitry Medvedev that the data recorders on the plane were found to have been completely functional, which will allow a detailed analysis.
"It is reliably confirmed that warning of the unfavorable weather conditions at the North airport and recommendations to go to a reserve airport were not only transmitted but received by the crew of the plane," he said.
Russian investigators have almost finished reading the flight recorders, said Alexander Bastrykin, Russia's chief investigator.
"The readings confirm that there were no problems with the plane, and that the pilot was informed about the difficult weather conditions, but nevertheless decided to land," Bastrykin said during a briefing with Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in Smolensk.
Bastrykin said the readings would be double checked, according to footage of the meeting broadcast Monday on Poland's TVN24.
The wreckage, meanwhile, will remain on site through midweek to help speed the investigation, Russian Deputy Transport Minister Igor Levitin said.
Both Russia and Ukraine declared a day of mourning Monday, as Poles struggled to come to terms with the national tragedy that eliminated so many of their government and military leaders.
Tens of thousands watched as Kaczynski's body, returned Sunday to Warsaw, was carried in a coffin by a hearse to the presidential palace, including his twin brother Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the former prime minister.
An annual Holocaust memorial event at Auschwitz-Birkenau on Monday was honoring Kaczynski and the other victims. Organizers of the March of the Living — with some 10,000 Jewish youth marching over a mile (1.6 kilometers) between the two parts of the former Nazi death camp — said those marching would also remember Poland's elite killed in Saturday's crash.
Forensics experts from Poland and Russia were working to ID other bodies, including first lady Maria Kaczynska, using DNA testing in many cases.
Jacek Sasin, a spokesman for the Presidential Palace, said Kaczynska's body would be sent to Warsaw, probably Tuesday.
He said the bodies of the first couple would lie in state at the palace from Tuesday, their coffins closed, and the public would be permitted to view them.
"We want every Pole who wants to pay tribute to the president, to be able to come and stand by the coffin," he said.
Sasin that officials are now planning the funeral for Saturday but a final decision depends on when the bodies of all 96 victims are returned home.
Medvedev has said he wants to attend, according to Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski.
Sasin said nothing has been changed in the living quarters of the president and his wife since they were last there for breakfast on Saturday.
"I don't think there is anyone who would want to change anything there. We still cannot believe what has happened," he said. "We all saw them as very warm people, the kind of people that you want to be with, talk to. It is hard to believe that it is over."
Also aboard the Tupolev were the national bank president, the deputy foreign minister, the army chaplain, the head of the National Security Office, the deputy parliament speaker, the Olympic Committee head and at least two presidential aides and 17 lawmakers.
Acting President Bronislaw Komorowski said he was moving to fill the seats in parliament left empty because of the crash.
Meanwhile the Polish zloty was stable on Monday, with little change in its value against the dollar and euro compared to Friday, the day before the plane crash killed the central bank head Slawomir Skrzypek among the dozens of others.
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Associated Press Writer Vanessa Gera contributed to this report.

[Brocke]

Device spurs questions in Polish crash

By Alan Levin, USA TODAY

The Polish jet that crashed short of a runway in fog, killing that nation's president and other top leaders, was equipped with a safety device that warns pilots when they get too close to the ground, the device's manufacturer said Tuesday.

The existence of the device deepens the mystery of why the jet struck woods and exploded as pilots attempted to land Saturday at a Russian military airport, aviation safety experts said. If the safety device was working properly, it would be the first such crash of an aircraft equipped with the system since its introduction in the late 1990s.

The Russian-built Tupolev TU-154 had been equipped with a Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) made by Universal Avionics Systems of Tucson, said company spokesman John Hamby. He said the company could not discuss the investigation into the crash or other details.

TAWS devices contain computerized maps of the world and issue warnings whenever aircraft come too close to mountain tops, radio towers or any other obstruction. Accidents in which a functioning airplane flew into the ground had been the leading cause of deaths around the world.

The devices, required on commercial aircraft since 2005, have virtually wiped out such crashes. If a jet gets too low, the TAWS issues a whooping siren and a recorded voice demands pilots "pull up."

The fact that the jet had a TAWS device "opens more questions than it answers," said John Cox, a safety consultant and former accident investigator.

"I really would like to know what was going on in that flight deck because no matter what kind of pressure other pilots have been under or what kind of weather they encountered, no pilot has ignored a TAWS warning. What is so different about this plane that it would break that chain?" Cox said.

Bill Voss, president of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation, said that the crash may highlight a weakness in the TAWS. Maps of the U.S. and other developed nations are highly accurate, but gaps exist in the maps for countries such as Russia and in the developing world, Voss said.

President Lech Kaczynski, his wife, Maria Kaczynska, and other prominent Poles were on their way to Smolensk in western Russia, where they were to attend a memorial service for thousands of Polish soldiers who were executed 70 years ago. All 96 people aboard the jet died.

There is no evidence that engine failure brought down the plane, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said. The airport was shrouded in fog and controllers advised the pilots to divert, according to Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-poland_N.htm

[Femacamper]

Device spurs questions in Polish crash
The existence of the device deepens the mystery of why the jet struck woods and exploded as pilots attempted to land Saturday at a Russian military airport, aviation safety experts said. If the safety device was working properly, it would be the first such crash of an aircraft equipped with the system since its introduction in the late 1990s.

What is the probability of that happening by chance on a high-profile flight such as this?

I'll answer that - virtually none.

[Xill]

Device spurs questions in Polish crash

By Alan Levin, USA TODAY

The Polish jet that crashed short of a runway in fog, killing that nation's president and other top leaders, was equipped with a safety device that warns pilots when they get too close to the ground, the device's manufacturer said Tuesday.

The existence of the device deepens the mystery of why the jet struck woods and exploded as pilots attempted to land Saturday at a Russian military airport, aviation safety experts said. If the safety device was working properly, it would be the first such crash of an aircraft equipped with the system since its introduction in the late 1990s.

The Russian-built Tupolev TU-154 had been equipped with a Terrain Awareness and Warning System (TAWS) made by Universal Avionics Systems of Tucson, said company spokesman John Hamby. He said the company could not discuss the investigation into the crash or other details.

TAWS devices contain computerized maps of the world and issue warnings whenever aircraft come too close to mountain tops, radio towers or any other obstruction. Accidents in which a functioning airplane flew into the ground had been the leading cause of deaths around the world.

The devices, required on commercial aircraft since 2005, have virtually wiped out such crashes. If a jet gets too low, the TAWS issues a whooping siren and a recorded voice demands pilots "pull up."

The fact that the jet had a TAWS device "opens more questions than it answers," said John Cox, a safety consultant and former accident investigator.

"I really would like to know what was going on in that flight deck because no matter what kind of pressure other pilots have been under or what kind of weather they encountered, no pilot has ignored a TAWS warning. What is so different about this plane that it would break that chain?" Cox said.

Bill Voss, president of the non-profit Flight Safety Foundation, said that the crash may highlight a weakness in the TAWS. Maps of the U.S. and other developed nations are highly accurate, but gaps exist in the maps for countries such as Russia and in the developing world, Voss said.

President Lech Kaczynski, his wife, Maria Kaczynska, and other prominent Poles were on their way to Smolensk in western Russia, where they were to attend a memorial service for thousands of Polish soldiers who were executed 70 years ago. All 96 people aboard the jet died.

There is no evidence that engine failure brought down the plane, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said. The airport was shrouded in fog and controllers advised the pilots to divert, according to Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2010-04-13-fog-plane-crash-poland_N.htm

Wow, how come many already knew the plane had such a device (actually they have multiple GPS) but it took a week for the mainstream medias?
The tree should have broken down and left the plane intact? No way, those are super destructive trees from Russia, Explosive trees. Touch it and boom.

[Viper]

..No way, those are super destructive trees from Russia, Explosive trees. Touch it and boom.

Makes sense, Rooskies get the exploding trees, the Americans, exploding light poles.

[N.E.P.]

Found this on ATS

Polish Plane Crashed After Fighting to Get Above 30′ Trees?
http://cybercossack.com/?p=1929

April 17th, 2010 by Blackminorca

The Sich High Command has conducted a preliminary investigation and notes these photos of clipped trees starting a quarter mile before the crash. How is it possible that the plane could not climb above these small trees when they are designed to climb 30′ every second?


Here is the first tree that was clipped in the middle of an open field. This tree is only a few feet tall and could have caused no damage but for sure, the pilots knew at this point they had to climb.


Yet  for some reason they could not since they went on to clip more small trees and brush for a quarter mile.

Below is a picture that we developed based on the above link that shows a SCALED side view – detailing how a modern aircraft that was just upgraded by the Russians was not able to climb above small trees for a quarter mile before it flipped and crashed.  Also note the 400 meter visibility line at the top of the picture.  Given a descent rate of 300′ per mile, that means that they traveled for 4 miles or about two minutes while within sight of the ground they would eventually hit.

This was not pilot error.