NATO strike? Polish elite assassinated in downed plane for not accepting €Euro

[H0llyw00d]

well the pro US CIA took out JFK on behalf of the bankers.

lets not forget, by order of L. B. Johnson and with "Bulldog" Hoover's smirking approval because John had fired his boss Alan Dulles

[Femacamper]

From yet another forum:

Definitely sounded like pistol shots. That wasn’t ammunition cooking off, the sound was different. What caught my attention is after the shots, the spectator in front of the camera man started moving away... “I didn’t see nuthin” kind of shuffling away.
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The voice in Russian says what basically can be translated as WTF.
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Recording is indeed strange.
First - no voices, camera approaching wreckage. Then 1 shot. Voice (presumably of a cameraman) - WTF.
Then shortly a voice in the background ordering to attack (?!) 2 more shots.
Another WTF from a cameraman as he starts to move away.
One more shot and the voice in the background ordering to withdraw.
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Right after the second shot is the sound of a group of men .. sounds like three .. laughing.

Waayyy out of place for the scene.
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Это лицо, продвигается Это лицо, продвигается

According to Google Translation:

"This person is moving ."
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The sound of a cartridge exploding from a fire is different than the sound of a bullet fired from a handgun. Throw some cartridges into a bonfire; no sonic crack, just a “poof”. Fire a handgun and there is a sonic crack, unless it is at true point blank range so the bullet does not travel through much space. Three of the four shots on this youtube have a sonic crack so they had to be from bullets exiting a barrel at a speed greater than the speed of sound. The forth shot, IMO, was fired at very close range, probably downward, as there is no sonic crack. Just my two cents.

[ImmortalTRUTH]

Here is the link..

Mediafire Download.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nozmrnxbky4

[Dig]

lets not forget, by order of L. B. Johnson and with "Bulldog" Hoover's smirking approval because John had fired his boss Alan Dulles

but the main guys IMO are rockefeller and harriman (the bankers due to JFK's challenge to the federal reserve, like the pres of poland to the euro), sir j edgar more than willing to help get rid of the pebbles in many elites' sandle.s

[UKStewart82]

Stewart, if you can write up a blurb about it, then send that with the video youtube and direct download link (hotfile or something similar) to onedeaddj@yahoo.com, Paul will take a look at it...make sure you mention the translated Russian.

Done Fema.

[H0llyw00d]

but the main guys IMO are rockefeller and harriman, sir j edgar more than willing to get rid of the pebble in his sandle.

True that

[Jackson Holly]

I gotta say ... this video sounds like somebody is going through the wreckage finishing off anyone still  moving. Is that what you guys are hearing?

[Femacamper]

YouTube comments: (TRANSLATED)

recognizemyself 4! shots 0:57, 1:06, 1: 14 at the end of sentence! Does anybody know what this someone screaming in the background 1:12 to 1:14? 1:16 do not want to say anything but I think it is in Polish / you have to move to a program for video-voice who has options to boost more than podglasniania soundtrack provides 2 minutes ago.

[Femacamper]

Check the translation of the comments yourselves, guys:

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DRkEmHSIVDwE%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded&sl=auto&tl=en

[Femacamper]

All comments posted here (in case of deletion):

http://pastebin.com/kyZKT1zd

[Jackson Holly]

I gotta say ... this video sounds like somebody is going through the wreckage finishing off anyone still  moving. Is that what you guys are hearing?

If so, they would have to know EXACTLY where the plane was coming down ...
to have gunmen on the scene that QUICKLY.

The plane's crew may have suicided themselves 'for the cause' ... or the plane
may have been electro~hi-jacked. It sounds more like the former to me at this point.

[Femacamper]

Retranslated:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpastebin.com%2FkyZKT1zd

Among the translated comments:

He is saying something like "What the f**k" but someone is screaming "do not come up"
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Dude screams (1'18''), "Where you going?" bartek97 guy yells, "Where you going?" Reply: "Ni f**k yourself!" (Probably something like: what do you care)

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tworczoscprzystanek is right - in the first second to the right of the fire you can see if someone got up and immediately fell in
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beginning to the 1 second - poklatkowo going very slowly, the lesions can see something black, like a charred character moved in
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Glock sound is heard everywhere m9 f**king loud and quiet are the weapons behind the veil, even a small sound giving medications
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you can see from the guy and heard the first shot (click) starts to retreat and hide behind the trees, as if suddenly frightened of something
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The other voices say ...all get out of here

[citizenx]

I believe Eurocrats may have planned this but Russians/Belorus did the dirty work for them.  In bed together.  Common economic interests.

[UKStewart82]

The Debris Field...And an article 'Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,' claims Polish MP  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html

[Femacamper]

Another comment:

do you have more footage? this video is already on polish news websites

[xereau]

The Debris Field...And an article 'Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,' claims Polish MP  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html

There was still people left alive in that debris field to 'finish off'?

I seriously doubt this.....

[Dig]

there was a NATO miilitary training mission in Belarus a few months ago, any knowledge on what the gist of it was?

[Femacamper]

One of the comments referred to an small EMP bomb being able to disable the plane instantly. Perhaps this was a modification that was put into the plane in December?

[citizenx]

there was a NATO miilitary training mission in Belarus a few months ago, any knowledge on what the gist of it was?

ZAPAD exercise Sept. 2009 in Belarus

Planned assault ground and air on Baltic state.

[Femacamper]

Another comment:

You've heard about this guy operator, which lived in a hotel near the accident? Went there with a camera and filmed the event, followed by Russians militiamen chased him, took the tape threatening weapon. Went there with a camera and filmed the event, followed by Russians militiamen chased him, took the tape threatening weapon. Then just mentioned that he was near the accident and about the incident is not. There's more he didn't get a chance to show.

[Femacamper]

It's hard to translate everything, because comments can be in English, Russian, Polish, Belarussian, Czech, and other languages apparently...

[Dig]

ZAPAD exercise Sept. 2009 in Belarus

Planned assault ground and air on Baltic state.

i think there was something around jan/feb.

belarus was locking up poles indiscriminantly for the past few weeks up to the event which even got the attention of the UN.

how close is the crash to the  border?

[Dig]

NATO military exercises planned as Baltic States hit panic button
http://rt.com/Politics/2010-03-03/nato-military-exercise-baltic.html
Published 03 March, 2010, 20:53

The exercises will represent "the most recent demonstration of NATO solidarity and commitment to its member countries in the Baltic region”, says Thomas Dillschneider, spokesman for the Allied Air Headquarters in Ramstein, Germany.

The training mission will involve French Mirage, Polish F-16 fighters, Lithuanian L-39 Albatross aircraft, as well as U.S. aerial tankers.

The announcement comes shortly after the news that NATO-member France is in “exclusive talks” to sell Russia up to four warships. The French 20,000-ton Mistral-class command and control helicopter carriers will significantly enhance Russia’s naval ability to project power over greater distances. The deal, estimated at about $2.2 billion, is the first military sale to Russia by a NATO country.

NATO plans military exercises near Russian border
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100304/158089565.html
11:2504/03/2010

Zapad 2009 strategic exercises held at the Khmelyovka firing range

NATO has announced it will hold military exercises involving fighter planes over the Baltic Sea this month, the first in a series of military drills to be held this year near the Russian border.

The Baltic Region Training Event training mission will take place over the former Soviet republics of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and will involve French Mirage 2000C, Polish F-16, and Lithuanian L-39 Albatross fighters, along with U.S. aerial tankers.

The exercises will demonstrate "NATO solidarity and commitment to its member countries in the Baltic region," a spokesman for the Allied Air Headquarters said.

The military events will continue in June in northern Estonia, where up to 500 U.S. Marines and Estonian soldiers will be involved in a ten-day drills about a hundred km from the Russian border, Russia's Kommersant daily said on Thursday.

Another joint military exercise of NATO and the Baltic states will be held in Latvia this autumn. Involving over 2,000 personnel from Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and the U.S., the exercise will be the largest in the area since the three countries joined the alliance in 2004.

Leaders of the three former Soviet Baltic states have repeatedly spoken in favor of large-scale military exercises in the region with the participation of NATO's European contingent since the August 2008 war between Russia and Georgia.

Their concerns seemed to be further aggravated by the Russian-Belarusian Zapad 2009 exercises, held last September in Belarus. Some Baltic politicians said the drills, involving around 13,000 service personnel, 63 airplanes, 40 helicopters, 470 infantry fighting vehicles, 228 tanks and 234 artillery pieces, were to train "various plans of assault" on some Baltic states, Kommersant said.

Russia's deal to buy four Mistral warships from France also caused a stir in Latvian, Lithuanian, Estonian and Polish military circles. The deal, if concluded, will be the first-ever military sale to Russia by a NATO country.

The NATO spokesman said however there was "no relationship between our training event and the potential Mistral deal."

MOSCOW, March 4 (RIA Novosti)

[Femacamper]

i think there was something around jan/feb.

belarus was locking up poles indiscriminantly for the past few weeks up to the event which even got the attention of the UN.

how close is the crash to the  border?

[Dig]

NATO Rattles Its Weapons Near Russia’s Borders Again
Front page / World / Former USSR
18.03.2010   Source: Pravda.Ru

NATO opened the Baltic Region Training Event – a first in a series of large scale military maneuvers to be held in the Baltic States in 2010. The main goal of the drills is to have Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania integrated into the air policing system of the alliance. Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, France and the United States take part in the event. Poland’s F16, France’s Mirage 2000 and USA’s fueling aircraft, Lithuania’s L39 Albatros will perform joint flights.    

The drills are supervised from NATO’s Air Force Headquarters in Rammstein, Germany. An official statement from the headquarters said that the air drills in the Baltic region was a demonstration of NATO’s unity.

NATO started holding drills in the Baltic region in 2008. This year, NATO will organize several drills in the region to train the delivery and deployment of NATO troops.

The maneuvers of 2010 will be the largest since the time when the three Baltic States joined NATO.

Who needs military activities near Russia’s borders? NATO officials claim that the alliance does not threaten Russia, but it seems that Brussels sticks to the same doctrines, for which the military bloc was created.

Some experts believe that NATO organized the drills in response to Russia’s demonstration of force in the war with Georgia. Russia has also conducted joint drills with Belarus, which could also make NATO remind Russia of its presence in the region.

It is obvious, though, that NATO holds the event in the region to strengthen the sanitary cordon with Russia and show Russia who is the master in the Baltic States.

The current and future maneuvers held near the borders of Russia and Belarus can be explained with the development of a certain defense plan for the Baltic States, which is something that the countries wanted to obtain from the alliance. An official spokesman for Estonia’s defense ministry said that the ministry was working on such a plan.

It goes without saying that defense is extremely important. However, it is important only if there is danger of military threat. Russia does not post any threat to the Baltic States, although the leaders of these countries refer to the Georgian experience. Such a reference is politically incorrect and cynical. Georgia was internationally recognized as the aggressor in the war of 2008.

[Femacamper]

Горит самолет.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkEmHSIVDwE

There are undoubtedly gunshots...sounds like a mixture of automatic and shotgun fire...I also heard yelling, and later laughing. Not like fire crackling, this is a sharp crack with an echo...

[Dig]

Georgian TV foretold murder of Polish President by Russian KGB terrorists
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2010/04/11/11838.shtml
http://is.park.ru/doc.jsp?urn=27375571

What's your opinion of this?

Translated: Russian to English:
http://is.park.ru/doc.jsp?urn=27375571
http://translation2.paralink.com/
 

that website is CIA/Mossad/G7 al-CIA-duh crapola site used for disseminating ghost threats.

[Dig]

Belarusian Crackdown On Polish Minority Puts EU Relations At Risk
http://www.rferl.org/content/Belarusian_Crackdown_On_Polish_Minority_Puts_EU_Relations_At_Risk/1961039.html
February 17, 2010
By Ahto Lobjakas


BRUSSELS -- Analysts are at a loss as to why Belarusian strongman Alyaksandr Lukashenka would want to jeopardize his quietly budding relationship with the European Union.

The continued Belarusian crackdown against activists from its Polish minority is now likely to be discussed by EU foreign ministers meeting in Brussels next week, officials in Brussels say.

The current standoff between the authoritarian regime in Belarus and the independent leaders of its Polish minority has angered EU member state Poland and is threatening to develop into a serious test of the EU's belief in the redemptive powers of dialogue.

Should it continue, the crackdown could also reverse the rapprochement the EU has carefully nursed with President Alyaksandr Lukashenka, dubbed "Europe's last dictator," over the past two years.

The latest controversy began with Minsk sanctioning the arrest of ethnic Polish activists and evicting prominent Polish groups from their headquarters. The incidents prompted Warsaw to intervene last week, provoking a cascade of further protests and the arrests of more than 30 activists from the Union of Poles in Belarus (ZPB), including its chairwoman, Andzelika Borys. Warsaw has threatened to close its borders to some as-yet-unspecified Belarusian leaders.

The EU finally weighed in on February 16, with Catherine Ashton, the new EU high representative for foreign policy, saying she was "deeply concerned." In a statement, Ashton warned Minsk that the EU's future assistance to Belarus is "conditional on steps towards democratization and upholding human rights, including minority rights, taken by the government of Belarus."

Ashton's spokesman, Lutz Guellner, told reporters in Brussels today that Ashton is now seeking direct contact with Belarusian leaders. Phone conversations could take place as early as "today or over the next couple of days," Guellner said.

Alienation In Hrodna

Well-meaning as it may be, the EU remains literally a thousand miles from the western Belarusian city of Hrodna, which is at the epicenter of the current controversy. There, Belarusian and ethnic Polish residents indicated in interviews with RFE/RL they were concerned by the prospect of new EU sanctions and what many saw as an artificial dispute stirred for purely political reasons.

A demonstration of solidarity in Hrodna with the Polish activist arrested this week.
One man said Poland's threat to impose travel sanctions was the "correct response." "Our officials' main problem is their lack of responsibility and accountability. If they're stripped of [their travel rights], maybe they'll think twice about what they're doing," he said.

One woman dismissed the depiction popular in Minsk of a country unsettled by an upstart Polish minority, saying relations between Belarusians and ethnic Poles are fine: "I work with many Poles and their attitude toward us, as Belarusians, is very good," she said. "I think the conflict is artificial and specially created by bad people."

Many residents expressed the fear that the controversy would ultimately hurt long-awaited openings to Europe, and by extension, ordinary citizens of Belarus. "It's not beneficial for anyone -- not Poland, not the EU, and mostly not for Belarus," another Hrodna resident said. "But decisions in this republic, in Belarus, are made by one person. Whatever he decides, that's how it'll be."

Alienation runs deep in Belarus, one of Europe's poorest countries, which borders three of the EU's member states -- Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia

Efforts In Warsaw, Brussels

Top EU diplomat Ashton is understood to support Poland's drive to raise the issue at the next EU foreign ministers meeting, which will take place in Brussels on February 22. Speaking on February 16, Ashton likewise tacitly endorsed the credentials of ZPB leader Borys as "democratically elected." In her statement Ashton condemned what she said "appear to be attempts by the authorities to impose a new leadership on the Polish community."

Official Minsk's relations with its 400,000-strong Polish minority have always been tense. In 2005, President Lukashenka accused the Poles of being a "fifth column" bent on destabilizing his regime. Belarus does not officially recognize Borys's ZPB, which promotes the Polish language and cultural traditions, and which Warsaw sees as the sole legal representative of the Polish minority in Belarus. Instead, Minsk has promoted a rival, pro-government Polish body.

Poland has long spearheaded the EU's tentative embrace of Belarus, which saw the country join the bloc's Eastern Partnership last May. An EU travel ban on key government figures had been lifted earlier, in October 2008, and the suspension extended by a year last November despite misgivings in a number of EU countries.

The current crackdown seems to have taken Warsaw by surprise. After inconclusive crisis talks between Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski and his Belarusian opposite number Syarhey Martynau in Warsaw on February 12, Poland threatened to impose its own visa ban on officials held responsible for the anti-Polish measures. A definitive blacklist is yet to emerge, with Warsaw possibly keen to await the results of the EU foreign ministers meeting.

Pyotr Kaczynski, an analyst with the Center for European Policy Studies in Brussels, says that Warsaw is continuing to work behind the scenes in a bid to get Belarus to reverse its policy of persecution of independent Polish activists. "What I'm seeing in the news is a clear two-way street -- not a one-way street, a two-way street," he says. "[On the one hand], they [Warsaw] are saying what will happen should this process continue, but they are keeping the back door open, calling on President Lukashenka to change this policy, to undo the mistakes and, [thereby], to return to the course of action which was pretty positive in bringing the EU and Belarus closer together."

Minsk's Motives

Minsk's motives, meanwhile, remain inscrutable. Matzej Plazynski, a Polish senator and the director of Wspolnoty Polskiej, an organization that works with Polish minorities throughout the world, says that "Belarus has tricked Polish diplomacy."

EU Parliament President Jerzy Buzek (left) warned that without democracy, Belarus will not be able to make use of the EU's support.
Analyst Kaczynski says Lukashenka's calculations may conceivably have something to do with the recent electoral victory of the pro-Russian President-elect Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine, or possibly with direct meddling from Moscow. But "it's impossible to see into Lukashenka's head," Kaczynski concludes.

Belarusian political analyst Uladzimir Matskevich says the sudden shift for the worse in Polish-Belarusian relations -- which he describes as "completely not in the interests of the regime" -- may be a reflection of factional infighting within the Belarusian regime. "If one views the regime as some united, monolithic entity that should behave rationally, then no explanation for this conflict with Poland can be found," he says. "However, if one is to postulate that there is some conflict, some competition between forces within the regime, then an explanation does emerge."

Matskevich believes countervailing pro-Polish and pro-Russian interests are vying for dominance in Minsk. If the current escalation of tensions with the EU is followed by personnel changes in the top flights of the Belarusian government, the pro-Polish faction is likely to have gained the upper hand; if not, Matskevich says, it may be that “Lukashenka thinks he's already done enough to normalize relations with Europe."

EU diplomats say the bloc's representatives in Minsk believe Lukashenka personally has authorized the crackdown against the Polish minority.

No Wish To Rock The Boat

Warsaw this week wheeled out its biggest guns in Europe to impress on Minsk the seriousness of the choice it is facing. The president of the European Parliament, Poland's Jerzy Buzek, was in Warsaw on February 16 for a meeting with Belarusian opposition leader Alyaksandr Milinkevich. After the meeting, Buzek warned that without democracy, Belarus will not be able to make use of the supporting instruments offered to it in the framework of the EU's Neighborhood Policy.

Owing to its democratic deficit, Belarus is currently not eligible for EU neighborhood funds, although the bloc indicated last autumn it may be amenable to allowing Minsk access to some funding on a tentative and conditional basis.

More relevantly, the EU could make it very difficult for the crisis-stricken country to secure further loans from the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Last year, the IMF gave Belarus $2.2 billion in bridging loans.

While it is assured of general EU backing in the standoff with Lukashenka, Poland itself faces a delicate balancing act. Having expended significant political capital to breathe life into the Eastern Partnership as a counterweight to Russian influence in the region -- and coaxed Belarus into it, as an integral part of the edifice -- Warsaw cannot afford to rock the boat too much.

The credibility of the EU's new member states is also at stake, given their attempts over the past few years to direct EU policy in their neighborhood.

The EU as a whole remains crucially interested in stability on its borders. Denying Belarus emergency financial aid -- or taking other measures that could push Minsk into the arms of Moscow -- would be counterproductive for the entire bloc.

Given all this, as well as the EU's well-established preference for dialogue over conflict, Belarus is unlikely to risk more than a token suspension of its participation in the Eastern Partnership. With the next Eastern Partnership summit scheduled to take place some time in 2011, there is ample time for Lukashenka to undo the damage -- should he feel so inclined.

[Dig]

Poland warns Belarus on crackdown
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1449d860-1a55-11df-a2e3-00144feab49a.html
By Jan Cienski in Warsaw

Published: February 16 2010 23:33 | Last updated: February 16 2010 23:33

A crackdown by Belarusian authorities against the leaders of the former Soviet republic's Polish minority is prompting Warsaw to warn that the wave of arrests could harm the recent warming between Belarus and the European Union.

Belarus has arrested several dozen Polish activists, sentencing some to five-day jail terms, and levying a 1m rouble ($360) fine against Andzelika Borys, the leader of the delegalised Union of Poles in Belarus, after the activists protested the confiscation of a Polish cultural centre in the Belarusian town of Ivyanets.

Andrzej Kremer, Poland's deputy foreign minister, warned on Monday that if repressive measures were not halted, Belarus would isolate itself from the EU.

“People directly responsible for repressions against Poles in Belarus will not have the right to enter our country,” he said.

Radoslaw Sikorski, Poland's foreign minister, met on Friday in Warsaw with his Belarusian counterpart, Sergei Martynov, and reportedly warned him about the consequences of the anti-Polish measures.

Until recently, Poland had been a strong advocate of improving ties with Belarus, frequently dubbed Europe's last dictatorship for the authoritarian government of Alexander Lukashenko, the president.

Mr Kremer's concerns were echoed by Jerzy Buzek, the president of the European Parliament, who called Minsk's actions “unsettling” and noted that they seemed to be aimed at the political opposition in general, and not just against the Polish minority. A parliamentary mission is scheduled to travel to Belarus next week to investigate.

Belarus, a country of about 10m, has a Polish minority of about 400,000, a remnant from pre-war times when western Belarus was a part of Poland. The Union of Poles in Belarus became the country's largest nongovernment organisation after most opposition groups were driven underground by Mr Lukashenko, prompting the government to form a pro-regime Polish organisation in 2005 which took over the assets of the independent group.

Mr Lukashenko's government was pushed to warm ties with Europe when his Russian allies tired of propping him up through cheap oil and gas and began to demand world prices for energy. Belarus's ramshackle economy needed investment and new markets to survive, and Mr Lukashenko released all of his political prisoners in 2008 as a way of improving relations with the west.

However, in recent months the government seems to have changed tack, occasionally arresting Belarusian dissidents as well as clamping down on the Polish minority.

[Kilika]

I counted 4 shots, and there was some chatter like laughing. It didn't sound like distress. And why was the camera so far back? Was the camera kept back or conviently stayed back to not show things? This video is very interesting. Serious autopsies are in order I'd say.

[H0llyw00d]

Quick Pop Quiz time kiddies, pic on left is Shanksville, Pa. Pic on right is in Russia

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WHATS MISSING?

[Dig]

look at a map of poland russia and belarus.

what if the president was working a financial deal with russia, what would be the purpose of the 20 year+ special arrangement with belarus?

why would russia need to give belarus special treatment to block the eu anymore?

and late last year sarkozy even said publicly...[paraphrase] "we need to think of the possibility of an eu without poland."

[Dig]

Russia stops oil shipments to Belarus
http://m.ft.com/cms/s/0/45e87598-f863-11de-beb8-00144feab49a.html
By Charles Clover 4 Jan 2010 9:12am

Russia has stopped shipments of oil to Belarus following a dispute about pricing, oil traders said on Sunday.

The move will set off alarm bells in Europe, triggering memories of last January's natural gas war between Russia and Ukraine that left several eastern European cities without gas for days. Oil, however, is more fungible than gas, and easily made up with alternative suppliers, so the consequences of the dispute are unlikely to be as severe.

The cut-off is the first since January 2007, when Russia stopped pumping oil to Belarus for three days following a similar tariff battle, which was eventually resolved in Russia's favour.

Despite the action, oil exports to Europe were still flowing and refineries in Belarus had a week's worth of oil stockpiled, Reuters reported.

Irina Yesipova, of Moscow's energy ministry, told Russian news agency RIA Novosti on Sunday that oil transit flows to Europe were unaffected by the dispute: "Transportation is being carried out in full measure and the negotiation process is continuing right now," she said, without giving details.

Julia Nanay, of the Washington-based Petroleum Finance Company, said the pipeline via Belarus supplied up to 800,000 barrels a day of oil products to Germany and Poland. "If this delivery were cut it would be serious. However, the crude continues to transit Belarus for now and Germany and Poland are receiving oil," she said.

Russia has long wanted to tax oil exported to Belarus. For years Belarus has made a business of importing oil for its own refineries without having to pay Russia's export tax, and then selling on surplus refined products to Europe at a much cheaper rate than that charged by Russian companies.

The cut-off follows the failure of negotiations between Minsk and Moscow in the closing days of last year on new tariff arrangements for transit of Russian oil onward to Europe.

On January 1 a spokesman for the Belarus government told Interfax news agency that "unprecedented pressure" had been put on their delegation during the negotiations. Minsk called on Russia to continue supplies to Belarus under the old terms, until a new agreement could be reached.

It warned that Russian demands would violate a customs union agreement signed last year by Belarus, Russia and Kazakhstan, and "would undermine all agreements reached on the further integration of our states".

The dispute is likely to present an obstacle to closer ties between the two countries.

Belarus is virtually Russia's only ally among former Soviet republics. [Not if backroom deals with poland were in the works, then what would be the purpose of belarus special treatment?]



Moscow and Minsk signed a series of treaties aimed at unifying their countries in the 1990s, though these have failed to be realised amid friction between the Kremlin and President Alexander Lukashenko of Belarus. Likewise, the customs union agreement remains largely on paper.

Maksim Blant, an economic analyst, told the Ekho Moskvi radio station that the disagreement was over how to apply the newly signed customs union agreement to oil, with Belarus arguing that it should be collecting customs duties on behalf of Russia.

[HEBGB]

I counted 4 shots, and there was some chatter like laughing. It didn't sound like distress. And why was the camera so far back? Was the camera kept back or conviently stayed back to not show things? This video is very interesting. Serious autopsies are in order I'd say.

Can the video be verified as authentic? Does anyone have a photo of the actual plane before it took off or crashed?

[citizenx]

If Belorus did this without Russian permission, I wouldn't want to be Belorus.

But anything is possible at this point.

[ImmortalTRUTH]

Can the video be verified as authentic? Does anyone have a photo of the actual plane before it took off or crashed?

The video is authentic..


Compare this Picture.to the video..
http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20100412/158546091_3.html

[HEBGB]

Thanks for the link and help. WOW this is messed tf up

[larsonstdoc]

The video is authentic..


Compare this Picture.to the video..
http://en.rian.ru/photolents/20100412/158546091_3.html

Thanks.  I wish someone could translate the Russian spoken on the video.  Or has somebody done this in previous posts?

[Xill]

Горит самолет.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkEmHSIVDwE

There are undoubtedly gunshots...sounds like a mixture of automatic and shotgun fire...I also heard yelling, and later laughing. Not like fire crackling, this is a sharp crack with an echo...

At the end of that video you can clearly hear a few gun shots (or something very similar). Sure seems that they shot the survivors - that would not surprise me at all.

[Dig]

If Belorus did this without Russian permission, I wouldn't want to be Belorus.

But anything is possible at this point.

all depends if they had eurocrats permission.

always remember the olympic judges.

these eurocrats fold like pussies when pressured, but if there is no pressure they continue.

still need much more info to make a bona fide case with belarus.

but the proximity, NATO exercises and months of strained relations are something to look into as far as motives.

also i heard that belarus is the one who was communicating with the pilot and russia (conflicting reports).

Bloomberg says it was Belarus. If Belarus was communicating directly with the plane that would be very interesting.

i am sure this is something that can easily be verified.