NATO strike? Polish elite assassinated in downed plane for not accepting €Euro

[squarepusher]

LOL at the one suggesting this is done by Russia.

If anything, it reeks of the CIA - they had Julia Timoshenko and Yushenko in their back pockets - not so with the most recent democratically elected President. That's why they needed him to be gone.

This can be accomplished very simply - every command and control center has 'area denial' capabilities - you do the math.

This, along with the 'shoot yourself through the head two times', is standard ops procedure out of the CIA 'assassination' handbook.

C'mon people - with all the various people 'assassinated' - surely you would have figured out by now how this game is played? They even 'assassinate' people who formerly played ball but are now not politically expedient - such as Benazir Bhutto, who was by no means a wonderful lady - in fact, she was a very despicable oligarch, but even so, she formed somewhat of a 'threat' to the current ruling puppet back then, Musharraf, and that's why they killed her.

[KazKru]

Lot's of talk in the MSM of pilot error and pilots inexperienced at landing in heavy fog.  What a joke!

Pilots who fly heads of state around, are not hacks who worked their way up throught the ranks of PuddleJump Airways, flying intoxicated fisherman and hunters in and out of wilderness camps.  Rather, pilots who fly presidents and their like, are always top former military pilots who were tops in their field.....they don't make mistakes like are suggested in this crash.

That's what makes me suspicious about this crash from the beginning.....the fact that the MSM has been all over the "pilot error" angle since the early minutes of the coverage.

[Brocke]

Poland was the only country in the European Union to avoid a recession during the financial crisis. The Warsaw Stock Exchange has also seen a tripling in the total value of listed companies since 2003.

Watch the Warsaw Stock Exchange fall into lock step with the rest of the world now...



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Disaster at Smolensk. The President did not live (photo images Polsat News)
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Polish nation in deep shock - a list of questions grows It is unheard of for the president, head of the Bureau and the entire staff of bosses to fly together. Who allowed it and why?... Today at 8:56 the Presidential TU 154 aircraft crashed near a military airport in Smolensk, Russia. All passengers and crew perished. They flew to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the Katyn Massacre. Included in the list of dead were the Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his wife, members of the Polish political elite, and  several high-ranking clergy and the Polish Army officers, including Chief of General Staff and commander of all military forces in Poland and Head of National Security. The head of the IPN and representatives of the families of Katyn were also killed. On board were 88 passengers and 8 crew. Reports are not as yet accurate. The Media is saying about 96 victims. There is no doubt that in modern Polish history as well as world history there has never been such a single tragic event, in which so many of the leading lights of a world state were killed. It is difficult to convey the magnitude of this disaster and the implications for Poland and the world. It is above all a great tragedy and shock for not only the families and friends of victims of disaster but also the Polish nation. It is very symbolic that the crash occurred near the location of the Katyn Memorial where Polish intellectual elite were murdered 70 years ago. Here's what we managed to collect from the chaotically-media information: - In the early morning a transport plane [Transportation IL] arrived at the airport in Smolensk approaches. The plane touches down on the the runway, but was ordered to leave immediately and land at another airport. - Approximately 8:40 Polish government pilots attempt to land the plane. They attempt approach 4 times. On the 4th approach at 8:56 plane is at a height of several meters and on an incorrect glide path - 70 meters aside from the axis of the runway, although first were that the plane crashed 2 miles from a runway. It is strange that the airplane remains and wreckage are scattered up to a distance of 1 km from the crash site, and were able to fly up and over the trees to their final resting places. The plane carries no explicable twist, which touches on a terrestrial antenna and standing beside a tree, which leads to catastrophe. The plane is in flames. - A witness testifies that the fire was small and the explosion had not heard. He heard only a muffled thud. - At. 9:36 fire is extinguished. - A Polish reporter accidentally found himself on the outskirts of the airport within 10 minutes after the crash. He began to record the arrival of many government cars (in 10 minutes after the crash!). Guided by the feeling of hiding the tape recording. A few minutes later, he is stopped on the pretext of invalid visa. Security professionals want him to surrender his equipment but he convinces them that he had no tape recording. A few hours later he is released. - Time 9:41 - Russian media report the disaster and that no one has survived. - President Medvedev appoints special committee to investigate the cause of the disaster. Commission is to be headed by Prime Minister Putin personally. At the same time there will be an investigation by prosecutors, dealing with the breach by an airplane pilot of flight safety (sic). The whole situation is nothing but confusion and more and more questions to be answered as soon as possible: 1st It is unknown to us ant time that the have security services approved the flight of the President, the head of the National Security Bureau and the entire staff of bosses and important part of the political elite on the same flight at the same time. Who and why it allowed? 2nd Why was the Russian airplane landing banned, although there was already on board a runway and a Polish airplane was given clearance? 3rd Military airport in Smolensk meets all Russian standards airline. It is said, however, a lack of guiding the latest equipment. This does not mean that they are not there at all. They are afraid and guidance radars, and communication with the flight tower. As in that case, the plane could be found up to 70 meters on the side of a runway? 4th The media gives the news of poor visibility. TV coverage of the accident site, however, show that it was good enough to turn the material from a distance of up to several hundred meters. The pilot could not see the trees and ground antennas. What then happened? 5th Why did the Russian authorities immediately question the skill of one of the most experienced Polish pilots, immediately launching an investigation into pilot error? 6th Finally, last question - how is possible that an aircraft at an altitude of just a few meters was so utterly destroyed? Timber in the area is rare and mainly small trees. What has contributed to a scale of the damage to the plane? Recently in the Netherlands there was a similar accident, and nearly all survived.[ref] In our media there is great emphasis on the "admirable" the behavior of Medvedev and Putin, while ignoring or playing down the above facts. Only 2 hours later, another witness has already said they saw a large ball of fire, contradicting the the story that the fire was small and extinguished quickly... The information is blatantly contradictory. We hope that this time the truth will out. This is so for us - Poles - very important and it is important for the whole world. The consequences of what happened can be much more significant than we suspect. original story in Polish Original Polish version Naród Polski w głębokim szoku – lista pytań rośnie Nieznane nam są przypadki aby możliwy był wspólnego lot prezydenta, szefa BBN i całego szefostwa sztabu. Kto i dlaczego na to pozwolił?... W dniu dzisiejszym o godz. 8.56 prezydencki samolot TU 154 rozbił się niedaleko wojskowego lotniska w Smoleńsku. Wszyscy pasażerowie wraz załoga zginęli. Lecieli na obchody 70-lecia Zbrodni Katyńskiej. Zginął Prezydent Polski Lech Kaczyński z małżonką, zginęła część elity politycznej Polski, zginęli wysokiej rangi duchowni i oficerowie Wojska Polskiego, w tym Szef Sztabu Generalnego oraz dowódcy wszystkich rodzajów sil wojskowych w Polsce jak i Szef Biura Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego. Zginął Szef IPN i przedstawiciele rodzin katyńskich. Na pokładzie było 88 pasażerów oraz 8-osobowa załoga samolotu. Wiadomości nie są jak na razie dokładne. Media podają informacje o 96 ofiarach katastrofy. Nie ulega wątpliwości, iż jeszcze nigdy we współczesnej historii Polski i świata nie zdarzyła się tego typu tragedia, w której aż tak dużo czołowych osobistości państwowych jednocześnie zginęło. Nie można sobie nawet wyobrazić, jak wielkie znaczenie dla Polski i Świata ma ta katastrofa. Jest to przede wszystkim wielka tragedia rodzin i przyjaciół ofiar katastrofy oraz wielki szok dla narodu polskiego. Bardzo symbolicznym jest fakt, że do katastrofy doszło w pobliżu miejsca gdzie 70 lat temu została zamordowana polska elita intelektualna. Oto co udało nam się zebrać z chaotycznie przekazywanych przez media informacji: - We wczesnych godzinach rannych do lądowania na lotnisku w Smoleńsku podchodzi transportowy IŁ. Samolot dotyka płyty lotniska, lecz dostaje rozkaz opuszczenia pasa i lądowania na innym lotnisku. - Około godz. 8.40 Polski samolot rządowy próbuje lądować. Podchodzi 4 krotnie do lądowania. Przy 4 próbie, o godz. 8.56 samolot znajduje się na wysokości kilkunastu metrów, mając niewłaściwą pozycję – 70 metrów na bok od osi pasa startowego, choć na początku podawano iż samolot rozbił się w odległości 2 km od pasa do lądowania. Dziwne jest to ze szczątki samolotu rozrzucone są na odległość 1 km od miejsca katastrofy, choć leciał tuz nad drzewami. Samolot wykonuje nie wytłumaczalny skręt, przez co zahacza o antenę naziemną i stojące obok drzewa, co doprowadza do katastrofy. Samolot staje w płomieniach. - Świadek zeznaje, iż pożar był niewielki a wybuchu nie słyszał. Słyszał jedynie głuchy stuk. - O godz. 9.36 pożar zostaje ugaszony. - Polski reporter przypadkiem znalazł się na obrzeżach lotniska w 10 minut po katastrofie. Zaczął nagrywać przyjazd wielu rządowych samochodów (w 10 minut po katastrofie!). Kierując się przeczuciem ukrywa taśmę z nagraniem. W kilka minut później zostaje zatrzymany pod pretekstem nieważności wizy. Pracownicy służby bezpieczeństwa chcą mu odebrać sprzęt ale przekonuje ich, ze nie miał taśm do nagrywania. W kilka godzin później zostaje zwolniony. - Godz. 9.41 – rosyjskie media informują o katastrofie oraz że nikt nie przeżył. - Prezydent Miedwiediew powołuje specjalną komisję, mającą zbadać przyczyny katastrofy. Komisji przewodzi osobiście premier Putin. Jednocześnie rozpoczyna się śledztwo prokuratorskie, z paragrafu mówiącego o naruszeniu przez pilota samolotu bezpieczeństwa lotu (sic!). W całej tej sytuacji są same tylko niejasności i powstaje coraz więcej pytań, na które należy jak najszybciej odpowiedzieć: 1. Nieznane nam są przypadki aby służba bezpieczeństwa dopuściła do wspólnego lotu Prezydenta, szefa Biura Bezpieczeństwa Narodowego i całego szefostwa sztabu oraz ważnej części elity politycznej. Kto i dlaczego na to pozwolił? 2. Dlaczego rosyjskiemu samolotowi zakazano lądowania mimo, że już znajdował się na płycie pasa do lądowania a polskiemu samolotowi dano wybór? 3. Wojskowe lotnisko w Smoleńsku spełnia wszystkie rosyjskie normy lotnicze. Mówi się jednak o braku najnowszych urządzeń naprowadzających. Nie znaczy to jednak, że nie ma ich tam w ogóle. Są boje naprowadzające i radary oraz jest komunikacja z wieżą lotów. Jak w takim razie samolot mógł się znaleźć aż 70 metrów z boku pasa do lądowania? 4. W mediach podaje się wiadomości o słabej widoczności. Relacje telewizyjne z miejsca wypadku pokazują jednak, iż była ona na tyle dobra aby kręcić materiał z odległości nawet kilkuset metrów. Pilot nie mógł nie widzieć drzew i anteny naziemnej. Co się w takim razie stało? 5. Dlaczego władze Rosji tak pospiesznie informują o błędzie jednego z najbardziej doświadczonych z polskich pilotów, od razu wszczynając śledztwo z odpowiedniego paragrafu? 6. W końcu ostatnie pytanie – jak to możliwe żeby samolot znajdujący się na wysokości zaledwie kilkunastu metrów tak doszczętnie się rozbił? Drzewostan w okolicy jest rzadki i z niewielkimi drzewkami. Co przyczyniło się aż do takiej skali katastrofy? Niedawno w Holandii zdarzył się podobny wypadek i prawie wszyscy ocaleli. W naszych mediach kładzie się duży nacisk na “godne podziwu” zachowanie Miedwiediewa i Putina, którzy jako pierwsi to i jako pierwsi tamto, jednocześnie pomijając czy też bagatelizując powyższe fakty. Zaledwie 2 godziny później inny świadek mówi już o dużej kuli ognia, gdzie jednocześnie z miejsca wypadku relacjonuje się, iż pożar ugaszono błyskawicznie… Informacje są rażąco sprzeczne. Miejmy nadzieje, iż tym razem prawda wyjdzie na jaw. Jest to tak dla nas – Polaków – bardzo ważne jak i jest to ważne dla całego świata. Konsekwencje tego, co się stało mogą być dużo bardziej znaczące niż przypuszczamy.

[squarepusher]

Two scenarios then -
1 - Russian intelligence along with CIA intelligence did this - it isn't really that hard, really - you can get an airplane to crash using 'area denial' techniques.
2 - The CIA did this alone and the Russians didn't know about it.

Tarpley will most likely find scenario 2 most plausible since he says the Chechnen terrorists are working for the CIA to bring down Russia - and Wayne Madsen was pursuing the same train of thought as well.

As for myself, when I look at prior documented history, this is a textbook CIA example. Perhaps that latest START treaty was part of a 'bring both countries on the same page' dialectic - perhaps the Russians have been convinced that it's in their best interests to partner up with the USA - thereby distancing itself from China and by default the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

This is all just speculation - but it's a pretty clear-cut case to me.

[victories]

The plane being overhauled in russia just prior, Putin leadin the commitee..Was the fourth landing attempt the plane being robotically controlled? Was all landing attempt a robotic controlled sabotage?

[Viper]

I cannot put into words how sad this event is...

Yes, now it's had time to sink in i see now that this is a huge tragedy, dunno about the euro connection though, they ain't the only euro country without it, who knows man?

[squarepusher]

The plane being overhauled in russia just prior, Putin leadin the commitee..Was the fourth landing attempt the plane being robotically controlled? Was all landing attempt a robotic controlled sabotage?

They don't even need to 'robotically control the plane' in order to bring it down. This is from a 1994 document, 'The Revolution In Military Affairs And Conflict Short Of War':

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=241

The advantage of directed energy weapons over conventional ones is deniability. Against whom is such deniability aimed? Certainly not the narcotraffickers, who will quickly recognize that interception by the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) or military planes leads to loss of their aircraft. Instead, deniability must be aimed at the American people, who do not sanction the imprisonment, much less execution, of individuals without a trial (and execution is how they will perceive it--the argument "we only disabled the aircraft, it was the crash which killed the pilot" will carry little weight).

[victories]

Ok, military top leaders in Poland loosing their life.. Nobody had any for-knoweledge. These are smart people, and they have powerful friends in Poland wanting to find the truth. But how can anyone prove anything, the black box is in Putin's hands..

One thing one want to look at. Has there been any recent job changes at the flight control in the airport? There are witnesses there, what do the flight control guys has to witness, what do their resume say, any connection to the intelligence

[victories]

squarepusher: Thx for info. Quite worrisome. Puting also has a bad history when it comes to assassinations. Everyone with natural discernment see the overweight of evidence of that

[GI Jane]

This one is an interesting case because it does make some sense that Anglo banking crowd did this because of the Euro and the larger agenda but I wouldn't rule out the Russians in the context of the resent false flag in Russia with the bombing and the arms treaty with Barry soetoro which is a win win for Russia this week. Maybe Putin smells weakness. While I understand the Anglo banking establishment could have done this with the CIA on orders from who? Zbigniew Brzezinsk? It is also possible that Russia isn't on board with them. I think that is a real possibility? No? I have no idea who did this but this is huge. We may have to wait and see who benefits.

[victories]

This might be big. Should hard evidence occur that there is a conspiracy involved, the drawing card is that the power elite left behind in Poland might ask question. This is not like 9-11 where the illuminati-joker plays both sides of the table

[GI Jane]

This is huge!

[Dig]

Ok, military top leaders in Poland loosing their life.. Nobody had any for-knoweledge. These are smart people, and they have powerful friends in Poland wanting to find the truth. But how can anyone prove anything, the black box is in Putin's hands..

One thing one want to look at. Has there been any recent job changes at the flight control in the airport? There are witnesses there, what do the flight control guys has to witness, what do their resume say, any connection to the intelligence

you do not need to spend 40 years exposing the "magic bullet theory", that is absurd. Just look at the main iissue...

this group was against joining the euro currency

the new leadership is for it.

2+2=4 no matter what

CIA/G7 Assets have operatives everywhere. they can commit acts of sabotage during airplane upgrades within russia without a hitch. what about star wars and about 200 other ways NATO can blow up planes.

follow the money, it is always about the money.

[Brocke]

Ok, military top leaders in Poland loosing their life.. Nobody had any for-knoweledge. These are smart people, and they have powerful friends in Poland wanting to find the truth. But how can anyone prove anything, the black box is in Putin's hands..

One thing one want to look at. Has there been any recent job changes at the flight control in the airport? There are witnesses there, what do the flight control guys has to witness, what do their resume say, any connection to the intelligence

I think that even at the top levels of most governments, think tanks, alphabet agencies and multinational corporations the individuals who think they are part of the "elite" have no idea what they are dealing with.

We are talking about a few thousand complete psychopaths that would murder their own families and then order a steak dinner.

I suspect that the Polish Head of National Security thought that even if the Polish government was in danger there is no way that the elite would be so bold to take them all out at the same time. If this is what he thought he was dead wrong.

The elite killed both Kennedy brothers one after the other for gods sake. They will do anything they have to.

As for Putin I am not sure how invested he in in the NWO. He may just be playing his own little game of cat and mouse with them. "I have the black box, so you better be nice to me".

[N.E.P.]

This from an English speaking Polish site. Pretty good read
http://www.polishforums.com/news-politics-4/polish-president-lech-kaczynski-gov-officials-die-plane-43217/8/

i seriously doubt this. Russians are last who could seek for his death. On the contrary, Kaczynski presented Polish politician that had identical approach to Kosovo situation as main protagonists of Russian politics.

Then, all happened in Russia. Why would Russia kill Kaczynski in Russia?? If they wanted to kill him, they could initiate (for example) his heard attack in Kaczynski`s own house. when great power wants that you died you simple died. Realy no need to blame Russia on this sad event. Actually, this is great humiliation for Russia, attack on Polish-Russian relations in crucial moment and if you want attack on complete Slavic world- because we all know that, without Polish-Russian agreement as soon as possible, there is no Slavic world.

Who ever killed Kaczynski, he directly provoked Russia.

Who could kill Kaczynski, who could profit from it, who could lose in case that Poles and Russian agree on something/anything?

Saudi Arabia? NATO? EU? Shiftars (Albanians)? Israel? Turkey? France? Britain? Its hard to say. It could be any of them. It could be their united action against Slavic civilization

Dear friends, Polish President's plane crashed because of fog and decision not to land in Minsk or Moscow. There were 4 attempts to land in fog and the fourth attempt was fatal.
My deep condolences to all Polish people. Please, let's stop all those political hatred between our peoples.

so, you say that Russia is that incompetent, stupid and idiotic country that can`t provide regular plane to representatives of foreign state, who coming as guests to Russia??? If it is the case then Russia isn`t world power but Russia is world`s greatest sh**.

BUT, we all know that its not the case. It is obvious that somebody decided to humiliate and provoke Russia. Its on Russia to say who is responsible for death of Polish president and not to hide behind comments such is ``plane crashed because of fog``. Its the question of Russian credibility as world power. Russia was responsible for security of Kaczynski.

i hope that Russia can manage to answer on this challenge, or i would conclude that Russia afraid to point with her finger at the those who are responsible. Somebody sabotaged that plane and Russia must say who was that

Guys - pilots errors and landing in mist - you're over exaggerating, they said in the news that the plane was circling around that old Russian airport for sometime before trying to land to loose all it's fuel, so when they were landing they knew something is wrong with the plane hence dropping the fuel.

NO, THEY WERE KILLED BECAUSE THEY TRAVELLED ON ONE OF THE WORST MOST UNRELIABLE AIRPLANES........HERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE Tupolev Tu-154 RECENT accidents...THERE WAS MANY MORE BEFORE 2001


# On 4 July 2001, Vladivostok Air Flight 352 from Yekaterinburg to Vladivostok crashed while on approach into Irkutsk, an intermediate stop, killing all 145 people onboard. The cause of accident was pilot error resulting in exceeding the safe angle of attack and the subsequent stall.
# On 4 October 2001, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk crashed into the Black Sea, probably shot down by an Ukrainian surface to air missile fired during a training exercise. All 66 passengers and 12 crew were killed.
# On 12 February 2002, Iran Air Tours Flight 956: The aircraft hit high ground in the Sefid Kouh mountains outside Khorramabad, Iran while descending for Khorramabad. All twelve crew members and 107 passengers were killed.[24]
# On 1 July 2002, Bashkirian Airlines Flight 2937 collided with a DHL Boeing 757.[25] The accident was caused by problems with the air traffic control system in Zurich and erroneous instructions given by the air traffic controller on duty.
# On 24 August 2004, Sibir Airlines Flight 1047 from Moscow to Sochi crashed after being bombed by an on-board Chechen suicide bomber, killing all 46 people on the aircraft. This happened almost simultaneously with a similar bomb explosion on Volga-Aviaexpress airlines TU-134 flight from Moscow to Volgograd.
# On 22 August 2006, while en route from the Russian Black Sea resort of Anapa to Saint Petersburg, Pulkovo Airlines Flight 612 crashed near the Russian border over eastern Ukraine in an attempt to fly through a weather front. All 160 passengers (including 45 children) and 10 crew were killed.
# On 1 September 2006, Iran Air Tours Flight 945 skidded off the runway as it was landing in Mashhad International Airport and caught fire after a tire blew during landing. The aircraft was carrying 147 passengers, 29 of them died.[citation needed]
# On 15 July 2009, Caspian Airlines Flight 7908 with 153 passengers and 15 crew onboard and traveling from Tehran to Yerevan crashed 16 minutes after take-off near the Iranian city of Qazvin, killing all people onboard. Police reported that witnesses saw the aircraft's tail on fire as it circled and attempted an emergency landing. The crash, in an agricultural field, left a path of wreckage 200 yards long. Authorities were able to locate two out of the three aircraft flight recorders, although they do appear to be damaged.[26][27]
# On 24 January 2010, Taban Air Flight 6437 caught fire upon landing at Mashhad International Airport in Iran. The plane had initially left Abadan, in south-west Iran on Saturday, but bad weather had forced it to land in the city of Isfahan for the night. After taking off again on Sunday, the captain was forced to make an emergency landing at Mashhad International Airport because of a passenger's ill health. The aircraft suffered serious damage as it landed, losing its undercarriage and a wing. 46 people were injured in the incident.[28][29]
# On 10 April 2010, a Tupolev 154 carrying the Polish President Lech Kaczynski, his wife, and central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek crashed upon landing at Smolensk-North air base in Russia killing (As of 4/10/2010 4:00 am, US Mountain Time) all of the 132 passengers.[30]

Yes, the Russians have killed the Polish president. However they will (successfully) blame Chechen separatists for the crash. Putin, the Great Murderer, is leading the "investigation" into the cause of the crash. I pity Mother Russia and her citizens while yet another despot murders and maims at will. Death to Putin and the rest of the criminals behind this outrageous "accident".

[Brocke]

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Disaster in Smolensk - new facts (important video)
10-4-2009   23.55

Case disaster in Smolensk increasingly confuses. Witness accounts, hot - just after the accident, there are other than their relations in a few hours later. The official version is - difficult conditions including dense fog and the stubbornness of the President or the pilot. Tusk is the old and the Russian side is also very old.

However, there is the second version:

In www.tvp.info / information relationship statesę editor of the TVP:

"Wisniewski, television editor, was in the hotel, where he assembled the material. The rest of the team has gone to prepare for the ceremony coverage Katyn. The building was located near the airport. - Just I had a moment to spare, was preparing to mount the equipment. Remembered that there is not much is the approach and there are those that approached the plane Tusk Putyina. And I hear the sound of the engine, but the sound was a little different - TVP Info reported in Wisniewski.

- Look in the fog and see a plane that goes very low, left-wing right down. I normally through the window I heard a terrible roar. You could see if something has been destroyed, trampled. Two flashes of fire, but not some big bang, as usual, to see the air disasters - an editor adds. - I immediately thought the plane crashed. Automatically grabbed the camera, as a typical worker of the media. I flew over the mud and they look, it's Polish plane. I immediately noticed a black box, smashed tail, damaged the engine, hull, remains - an employee told Polish TV.

- There was a great fire. Immediately came a fire, but it went to them moderately. But even it was not clear that anyone was killed. So at first I thought it was empty plane. There was a terrible silence and after a disaster - he added. - But this was not such a sight as the ordinary plane crash. I witnessed the events in Kabaty, it looked different. You could see bodies - said Wisniewski.

Wisniewski, who was the first representative of the media took pictures only for a moment. Then he was led out by the emergency services. - Tried to flee from officers, but as I fell into the mud, then I could not. They caught me and told me to give the cassette - said Wisniewski. "

Where are the bodies? At the movies theydesired anything in sight. As a plane flying a few meters above the ground could be broken down so completely?

What she could be the reason for sounding different aircraft? Consider the picture below (source: http://intencje.pl/tu154.jpg):

 

Is there really no one noticed the desiredengine in tears TU154 something strange is going on?

Editor TVP said desirede seen unnaturally tilted plane. Is the pilot, at such a low height to perform such a risky maneuver for no reason?

This is even more strange, the desiredemail shortly before the presidential plane landed How to Polish reporters. Some time later he tried to land there, Transportation andŁ, who has done exactly the same strange maneuver, ie, only a few meters above the earths tilt of the wing.

In TVN said, że flight controller was arrested immediately after the accident and no one has seen, let alone had the chance to talk to him. Russian investigative committee under the leaderships Putin took over the black boxes.

We all know the resistance of the Georgian President Kaczynski's case. Now it is easy to suggest the desirede he and the pilot is guilty of everything, and yet we do not know the truth and as you can see, everything could be completely different!

VIDEO - Polish president killed in plane crash - INSTEAD OF THE IMPACT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgw9_DmEWxE&feature=player_embedded
 

We ask again - where the divisions of the body? In the film, do not see anything. This is perhaps the first such case in history, the more inexplicable, since there was almost no fire and the plane was flying at an altitude of just a few meters away!

When we read the discussionę from a local forum in Smolensk, picture of the situation around the disaster supplemented by new facts. How did the tank there? Why is information about the fog is so variable?:

The online forum discussion from Smolensk almost live:

Beric 11:14 - Just as in the area of the tank and the explosion of the plane fell. Details on the event are unknown.

Beric 11:22 - Tank for SAAZom. They say that the military, but nobody knows exactly. Land and almost caught the car on the road near the runway.

Isa 11:28 - Beric, and how the information?

Beric 11:30 -  Info from the witness, he just went along this road and almost caught the plane, called a friend.

Sterh 11:30 - already is in the news. Airplane Polish president.

Belikov 11:32 - It is strange that in such a fog (from the 8th floor barely see the ground) at all someone has decided to fly(here: land - W.)

Gem 11:43 - I'm sitting on the street. Chkalov, what I hear the thunder? and here again, someone softly lands. Whoever ends up in such a fog?

Sterh 11:47 - Unhappy Smolensk land to the Poles. The years 1609-11 are reflected czwawką.

Winzard 11:56 - Morning's wife rode by car - there was no fog.

Red Angel 11:59 - I-11 about the fog had become suddenly dense.
Ferganec

12:06 - What a nightmare for Polish. A Yandex.ru silent. In the chapter "Smolensk" is written, the President visited the Polish Katyn memorał.

source: http://forum.smolensk.ws/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48375


Still waiting for the courage of the Polish media that raised the issue and uncomfortable topics. We look forward to the courage of Polish politicians demanded an immediate and full participation in the investigation.

We have the right to truth, więc should demand it!

[victories]

Good research Sane. Well, Lindsey William said NWO-elite plan war in 1,5 years (the way he said it sounded like it was only on the drawing table, so I think by the grace of Jesus there might be hope of avoidance or delay) Anyway, this mega assassination of a whole country's top leaders could give indications that nwo-elite are accelerating their efforts relative to previous and have started to play hard ball.
If this airplane accident was a conspiracy, which it looks like, more evidence will probably emerge, and allot of Polish high officials are upset loosing their close friends and co-workers. There is a potential, might be small, that this could blow back on the NWO-elite

As you know this happened on the anniversary of the russian assassination of Polish generals in world war 2. We know how Illuminati likes to play with dates, and give hints about what they are doing.

[Dig]

This is how Putin kills:






This is how Kissinger/NATO kills:

[Dig]

More from http://www.globalnaswiadomosc.com/prezydentzginalnowe.htm#googtrans/pl/en


Disaster in Smolensk - new facts (important video)
10-4-2009   23.55

Case disaster in Smolensk increasingly confuses. Witness accounts, hot - just after the accident, there are other than their relations in a few hours later. The official version is - difficult conditions including dense fog and the stubbornness of the President or the pilot. Tusk is the old and the Russian side is also very old.

However, there is the second version:

In www.tvp.info / information relationship statesę editor of the TVP:

"Wisniewski, television editor, was in the hotel, where he assembled the material. The rest of the team has gone to prepare for the ceremony coverage Katyn. The building was located near the airport. - Just I had a moment to spare, was preparing to mount the equipment. Remembered that there is not much is the approach and there are those that approached the plane Tusk Putyina. And I hear the sound of the engine, but the sound was a little different - TVP Info reported in Wisniewski.

- Look in the fog and see a plane that goes very low, left-wing right down. I normally through the window I heard a terrible roar. You could see if something has been destroyed, trampled. Two flashes of fire, but not some big bang, as usual, to see the air disasters - an editor adds. - I immediately thought the plane crashed. Automatically grabbed the camera, as a typical worker of the media. I flew over the mud and they look, it's Polish plane. I immediately noticed a black box, smashed tail, damaged the engine, hull, remains - an employee told Polish TV.

- There was a great fire. Immediately came a fire, but it went to them moderately. But even it was not clear that anyone was killed. So at first I thought it was empty plane. There was a terrible silence and after a disaster - he added. - But this was not such a sight as the ordinary plane crash. I witnessed the events in Kabaty, it looked different. You could see bodies - said Wisniewski.

Wisniewski, who was the first representative of the media took pictures only for a moment. Then he was led out by the emergency services. - Tried to flee from officers, but as I fell into the mud, then I could not. They caught me and told me to give the cassette - said Wisniewski. "

Where are the bodies? At the movies theydesired anything in sight. As a plane flying a few meters above the ground could be broken down so completely?

What she could be the reason for sounding different aircraft? Consider the picture below (source: http://intencje.pl/tu154.jpg):

 

Is there really no one noticed the desiredengine in tears TU154 something strange is going on?

Editor TVP said desirede seen unnaturally tilted plane. Is the pilot, at such a low height to perform such a risky maneuver for no reason?

This is even more strange, the desiredemail shortly before the presidential plane landed How to Polish reporters. Some time later he tried to land there, Transportation andŁ, who has done exactly the same strange maneuver, ie, only a few meters above the earths tilt of the wing.

In TVN said, że flight controller was arrested immediately after the accident and no one has seen, let alone had the chance to talk to him. Russian investigative committee under the leaderships Putin took over the black boxes.

We all know the resistance of the Georgian President Kaczynski's case. Now it is easy to suggest the desirede he and the pilot is guilty of everything, and yet we do not know the truth and as you can see, everything could be completely different!

VIDEO - Polish president killed in plane crash - INSTEAD OF THE IMPACT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgw9_DmEWxE&feature=player_embedded
 

We ask again - where the divisions of the body? In the film, do not see anything. This is perhaps the first such case in history, the more inexplicable, since there was almost no fire and the plane was flying at an altitude of just a few meters away!

When we read the discussionę from a local forum in Smolensk, picture of the situation around the disaster supplemented by new facts. How did the tank there? Why is information about the fog is so variable?:

The online forum discussion from Smolensk almost live:

Beric 11:14 - Just as in the area of the tank and the explosion of the plane fell. Details on the event are unknown.

Beric 11:22 - Tank for SAAZom. They say that the military, but nobody knows exactly. Land and almost caught the car on the road near the runway.

Isa 11:28 - Beric, and how the information?

Beric 11:30 -  Info from the witness, he just went along this road and almost caught the plane, called a friend.

Sterh 11:30 - already is in the news. Airplane Polish president.

Belikov 11:32 - It is strange that in such a fog (from the 8th floor barely see the ground) at all someone has decided to fly(here: land - W.)

Gem 11:43 - I'm sitting on the street. Chkalov, what I hear the thunder? and here again, someone softly lands. Whoever ends up in such a fog?

Sterh 11:47 - Unhappy Smolensk land to the Poles. The years 1609-11 are reflected czwawką.

Winzard 11:56 - Morning's wife rode by car - there was no fog.

Red Angel 11:59 - I-11 about the fog had become suddenly dense.
Ferganec

12:06 - What a nightmare for Polish. A Yandex.ru silent. In the chapter "Smolensk" is written, the President visited the Polish Katyn memorał.

source: http://forum.smolensk.ws/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=48375


Still waiting for the courage of the Polish media that raised the issue and uncomfortable topics. We look forward to the courage of Polish politicians demanded an immediate and full participation in the investigation.

We have the right to truth, więc should demand it!

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO BODIES

NO FOG

CHECKPOINTS

EVERY SO CALLED  FACT NEEDS TO BE TRIPLE VERIFIED

LOOKS LIKE A PROJECT MOCKINGBIRD FALSE NARRATIVE ALL THE WAY

[Dig]

More on Kissinger assassinations...

Here's a blast from the past!


Cable ties Kissinger to Chile controversy
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iB_ne0iu3fjpzpvdE8pacGLski5AD9F08IH80
By PETE YOST (AP) – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON — As secretary of state, Henry Kissinger canceled a U.S. warning against carrying out international political assassinations that was to have gone to Chile and two neighboring nations just days before a former ambassador was killed by Chilean agents on Washington's Embassy Row in 1976, a newly released State Department cable shows.

Whether Kissinger played a role in blocking the delivery of the warning against assassination to the governments of Chile, Argentina and Uruguay has long been a topic of controversy.

Discovered in recent weeks by the National Security Archive, a non-profit research organization, the Sept. 16, 1976 cable is among tens of thousands of declassified State Department documents recently made available to the public.

In 1976, the South American nations of Chile, Argentina and Uruguay were engaged in a program of repression code-named Operation Condor that targeted those governments' political opponents throughout Latin America, Europe and even the United States.

Based on information from the CIA, the U.S. State Department became concerned that Condor included plans for political assassination around the world. The State Department drafted a plan to deliver a stern message to the three governments not to engage in such murders.

In the Sept. 16, 1976 cable, the topic of one paragraph is listed as "Operation Condor," preceded by the words "(KISSINGER, HENRY A.) SUBJECT: ACTIONS TAKEN." The cable states that "secretary declined to approve message to Montevideo" Uruguay "and has instructed that no further action be taken on this matter."

"The Sept. 16 cable is the missing piece of the historical puzzle on Kissinger's role in the action, and inaction, of the U.S. government after learning of Condor assassination plots," Peter Kornbluh, the National Security Archive's senior analyst on Chile, said Saturday. Kornbluh is the author of "The Pinochet File: A Declassified Dossier on Atrocity and Accountability."

Jessica LePorin, a spokeswoman for Kissinger, says that the former secretary of state dealt many years ago with questions concerning the cancellation of the warnings to the South American governments and had no further comment on the matter.

Kissinger has dealt with the issue indirectly. Writing in defense of Kissinger in 2004 when the issue arose, William D. Rogers, Kissinger's former assistant secretary of state, said Kissinger "had nothing to do with" a Sept. 20, 1976 cable instructing that the warnings to Chile, Argentina and Uruguay be canceled. Rogers died in 2007.

"You can instruct" the U.S. ambassadors "to take no further action" on the subject of Operation Condor, said the Sept. 20 cable by Harry Shlaudeman, assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs, to Shlaudeman's deputy.

The next day, on Sept. 21, 1976, agents of Chilean Gen. Augusto Pinochet planted a car bomb and exploded it on a Washington, D.C., street, killing both former Ambassador Orlando Letelier, and an American colleague, Ronni Karpen Moffitt. Letelier was one of the most outspoken critics of the Pinochet government.

Nearly a month before the blast, the State Department seemed intent on delivering a strong message to the governments engaged in Operation Condor.

An Aug. 23, 1976 State Department cable instructs the U.S. embassies in the capitals of Chile, Argentina and Uruguay to "seek appointment as soon as possible with highest appropriate official, preferably the chief of state."

The message that was to be conveyed: the U.S. government knows that Operation Condor may "include plans for the assassination of subversives, politicians and prominent figures both within the national borders of certain ... countries and abroad."

"What we are trying to head off is a series of international murders that could do serious damage to the international status and reputation of the countries involved," Shlaudeman wrote in a memo to Kissinger dated Aug. 30, 1976. That memo is referenced in the newly disclosed Sept. 16, 1976 cable containing Kissinger's name.

Concerns among the ambassadors may have led to cancellation of the planned warning.

In the Aug. 30, 1976 memo, Shlaudeman discussed a possibility that the U.S. ambassador in Uruguay might be endangered by delivering a warning against assassination. The U.S. ambassador to Chile said that Pinochet might take as an insult any inference that he was connected with assassination plots.
On the Net:

    * National Security Archive: http://www.nsarchive.org

[Xill]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO BODIES

NO FOG

CHECKPOINTS

EVERY SO CALLED  FACT NEEDS TO BE TRIPLE VERIFIED

LOOKS LIKE A PROJECT MOCKINGBIRD FALSE NARRATIVE ALL THE WAY

The Illuminati love using planes to murder their opposition. It's their little thing that keeps them going.
Gary Bell on "A view from space" 640 Am Toronto radio show always make in deep analysis of those typical plane crashes. I suggest you listen to it if interested [ see Audio section of forum - show is Saturday night (tonight) ], it's by far my favourite show.

[Dig]

Two scenarios then -
1 - Russian intelligence along with CIA intelligence did this - it isn't really that hard, really - you can get an airplane to crash using 'area denial' techniques.
2 - The CIA did this alone and the Russians didn't know about it.

Tarpley will most likely find scenario 2 most plausible since he says the Chechnen terrorists are working for the CIA to bring down Russia - and Wayne Madsen was pursuing the same train of thought as well.

As for myself, when I look at prior documented history, this is a textbook CIA example. Perhaps that latest START treaty was part of a 'bring both countries on the same page' dialectic - perhaps the Russians have been convinced that it's in their best interests to partner up with the USA - thereby distancing itself from China and by default the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.

This is all just speculation - but it's a pretty clear-cut case to me.

Concerning scenario 1, although I find it less likely it does deserve examination. The following are two posts which examine that theory. Like JFK, the twins had multiple enemies (but I think Germany was much more of an enemy than Russia from the evidence, still Putin could have cut a deal)...

This could have been a new "Hitler-Stalin" pact.

Also, some insight into neutralizing any possible catholic church blowback by planned targeting of Ratzinger (benedict arnold of the church).

Twin Pillars of Populism
The Kaczynski Twins Are Taking Poland by Storm
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,378418,00.html
By Susanne Amann in Warsaw 10/06/2005

The two vocal populists are almost impossible to tell apart, but Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski are rocketing to the top of Poland's political establishment. Soon, both the prime minister's office as well as the presidency may be in their hands. And they have a plan for what to do with their power.
DPA

Meet the Kaczynski brothers.

All of Poland knows the two small, roundish -- and virtually identical -- men. For weeks, even months, they have been smiling down from campaign posters and parading through the nation's political talk shows. Yet for all their media presence, one question occupies most of the electorate: How does one tell these two apart? After all, Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski are identical twins -- and the only differences are a tiny birthmark on one of their noses and the slightly unkempt hair of the other.

The two brothers have become shooting stars in Polish politics. They have both managed to cut through the political apathy of the population and have neatly divided it into enthusiastic devotees or vehement detractors. The two brothers, as it turns out, are not much for middle-of-the-road vapidity. On the contrary. The two are populists -- and they peddle their Catholic-nationalist worldview energetically and with little consideration for their political opponents.

And they are wildly successful. On Sept. 25, the party they both lead, the Law and Order Party (PiS), won the country's parliamentary elections meaning Poland's next prime minister will come from their ranks. This Sunday, the Poles go to the polls again -- this time to cast their ballots for the position of president. Lech Kaczynski, current mayor of Warsaw, is one of the leading candidates. Their successes are being viewed with some trepidation by their neighbors.

Modern day Hitler-Stalin pact

Recently, for example, the two of them attacked a planned natural gas pipeline agreed to by German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder and Russian President Vladimir Putin by comparing it with the 1939 Hitler-Stalin pact, which resulted in the partition of Poland. Lech, who is currently the mayor of Warsaw, also made headlines early this year by banning the gay and lesbian parade in Poland's capital. He said the event was damaging to Polish youth.

Mostly, though, the brothers' are characterized by a deep mistrust of Russia and Germany. They were born in 1949 in the rubble of an almost completely destroyed Warsaw. They grew up with the results of the Nazi occupation and under the subsequent hegemony of the Soviet Union. Even now, they are still warning of the danger of allowing Germany too great an influence in the European Union. They are also deeply mistrustful of that group of Germans expelled from Poland following World War II, suspecting them of wanting to someday retake parts of western Poland. Indeed, the two have already threatened that Germany should be made to pay reparations to Poland for World War II damage. For Warsaw alone, Lech has calculated a sum between $30 and 40 billion.

REUTERS

Here's Jaroslaw, who led his Law and Order Party to victors in Sept. parliamentary elections.

The brothers, both trained in law, have been politically active since they went to university together. They were part of the underground and belonged to the Workers' Defense Committee (KOR), a group of academics where many of the Solidarity intellectuals got their start. In 1980, in fact, they were in Gdansk for the founding of Solidarity. That only Lech Kaczynski did a stint in prison in 1981 was pure luck: The police thought that the existence of a second Kaczynski with the same birth date as the first was a typo.


It didn't take long for the two -- known as the "ducks" for a last name that recalls the Polish word for "duck", if not for their physical stature -- to become part of Lech Walesa's inner circle. Following the fall of the communist government in 1989, they both took high positions in the new government, but they quickly butted heads with Walesa. He refused their demand to rigorously cleanse the secret service and military of left-over cadres.

Getting rid of the communists

Which is one reason for their grandiose comeback. Current candidate for president Lech Kaczynski discovered -- as justice minister under former Prime Minister Jerzy Buzek and then as mayor of Warsaw -- just how popular the fight against corruption and lawlessness is among Poles. Even now, many secret service and army members who were active under the communist regime are still in their old positions. Communist structures are still intact, and corruption and cronyism are part of the day-to-day.

REUTERS

And here's Lech, mayor of Warsaw and a candidate for president in Sunday's elections.

And that, if the Kaczynski brothers get their way, will all change. They want to see a more Catholic and more traditional Poland protected by increased presidential authority and restrictions on former communists holding public office. Lech even wants to see much of his political crusade -- including laws infringing on the rights of homosexuals and other minorities -- written into the country's constitution. The twins want to see an unconditional national Catholicism.

It is a development that many analysts connect with the recent death of the Polish Pope John Paul II. The long, painful decline of the pope was accompanied by a new wave of spirituality and a reawakened interest in Catholicism -- especially among younger Poles. And the guidelines being followed by the Kaczynski brothers are also those of the deceased pope: anti-abortion, a traditional role for women and a strong emphasis on community. Of course, such a platform hasn't hindered Lech -- as mayor of Warsaw -- to call for all the homeless in the Polish capital to be resettled in container slums on the edge of the city so they no longer clutter up the center. Hardly a charitable position.

A dash of nationalism with a helping of Euro-skepticism

The two want nothing less than a "Fourth Republic," a new Poland -- a vision reflected in the name of their Law and Order Party. With its mixture of nationalism, populism and Euro-skepticism, the party was already wildly successful in the 2002 local elections. Lech Kaczynski was voted in to the Warsaw city hall with a large majority and -- on Sept. 25 -- the party came out tops in the parliamentary elections with 27 percent of the vote. Coalition negotiations with the liberal Civic Platform (PO) -- which took 24 percent of the vote -- are ongoing.

Jaroslaw's decision to forgo the office of prime minister in favor of the less-well-known Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz surprised many observers, though. It is assumed that the move is intended to improve his brother's chances of winning Sunday's presidential elections. He would then -- with both the prime minister and president coming from his party -- pull the strings in the background. Both he and his brother have said they don't plan on having both offices in their family at the same time.

It's a tactic that seems to be working. For weeks, the PO candidate Donald Tusk has been leading Lech in the Poles by as much as 10 percentage points. Now, that lead has shrunk to just 37 percent for Tusk against 33 percent for Lech. And even though coalition talks between the PO and his own Law and Order Party are continuing, Lech misses no opportunity to portray Tusk as a heartless fiscal liberal and himself as the voice of social justice.

Jaroslaw Kaczynski has affirmed that -- even should his brother lose on Sunday -- he will stay in the background and allow Marcinkiewicz to become prime minister. Many Poles, though, don't believe him. They assume that a final decision as to who will be Poland's next prime minister will only come after the presidential election.

And with both of them potentially leading Poland, telling them apart may be that much more important. Here's another difference between the two: Lech is married and has a daughter. Jaroslaw, on the other hand, still lives at home with his mother and his cats.

didn't the US puppet and the Russian puppet just meet?

President Obama, Russian President Medvedev sign START treaty to reduce nuclear weapons
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/04/08/2010-04-08_president_obama_russian_president_medvedev_sign_nuke_treaty.html
BY Michael Mcauliff  DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Thursday, April 8th 2010, 7:33 AM

New pact against rebellious nations against Brzezinski's planned Cold War II?

"Dude, I am serious, the illuminati hate those twins"
"No way, Putin hates them too"

[LightCaster]

Every crime have motive, and i don't see motive for this on Russian side. Thing that i see is:

Constant pressure on Russia by NATO side to provoke conflict.

1. Missile shield, military exercises in Baltic and Black Sea.

2. Sending Heroin from Afghan to Russia, and when Russia says stop with it NATO calmly says no.

3. Moscow Metro bombing done by al-Ciaida.

And now this. Don't you see that NWO is trying to provoke conflict with Russia.

[Viper]

^^ Plus the Georgia thing.

[GI Jane]

Sorry no this is not at all clear to me. It is clear who the players are but who made the move that is not clear at all. It will be clear by who gains from it.

[LightCaster]

Thank you Viper, I posted this before.

Katyn Massacre is a big problem for Russians. Those people in that plane are killed in the worst moment for Russia, in the moment when Russia have big influence in Georgia and Kyrgyztan.

Georgian Opposition Threatens to Repeat Kyrgyz Uprising

US-NATO War Plan Undermined? Kyrgyzstan Upheaval Endangers US Route to Afghanistan

Great Power Rivalry in Central Asia: Russia Sends Paratroopers to its Airbase in Kyrgyzstan

[Dig]

^^ Plus the Georgia thing.

plus Poland exposing secret prisons...

but most importantly is monetary policy.

WWIII is all about monetary policy and a one world currency. These Polish leaders said "enough" and paid the ultimate price.

[GI Jane]

This may be why.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wGR6hkQ_FI&feature=player_embedded

The elite are planing a World War that will cost us about 5 trillion says Bob Chapman
Jason Bermas replacing Alex Jones talks with regular guest, Bob Chapman, the man behind The International Forecaster newsletter. Bob Chapman sees a world scale war , depression after recession , deflationary depression that will trash the US dollar , US empire bankrupt and collapsing in order to pave the way to the next phase which is a world government starting with a world financial constitution a world currency and end up with a world leader , the dream of the elite....
they are planing a World War that will cost us about 5 trillion

Bob Chapman : Get your cash out of the Banks and The Stock Market - we will have Bank Holiday and the Stock market will crash by the end of this year
Mr. Chapman also known as The International Forecaster is a 74 years old. He was born in Boston, MA and attended Northeastern University majoring in business management. He spent three years in the U. S. Army Counterintelligence, mostly in Europe. He speaks German and French and is conversant in Spanish. He lived in Europe for six years, off and on, three years in Africa, a year in Canada and a year in the Bahamas.

Mr. Chapman became a stockbroker in 1960 and retired in 1988. For 18 of those years he owned his own brokerage firm. He was probably the largest gold and silver stockbroker in the world during that period. When he retired he had over 6,000 clients.
Bob Chapman : you got to remove these people from the government
Starting in 1967 Mr. Chapman began writing articles on business, finance, economics and politics having been printed and reprinted over the years in over 200 publications. He owned and wrote the Gary Allen Report, which had 30,000 subscribers. He currently is owner and editor of The International Forecaster, a compendium of information on business, finance, economics and social and political issues worldwide, which reaches 10,000 investors and brokers monthly directly, and parts of his publication are picked up by 60 different websites weekly exposing his ideas to over 10 million investors a week.

In June of 1991, at the request of business associates, and due to retirement boredom, he began writing the International Forecaster.
Bob Chapman : do not expect the government to guarantee your bank account , it is bankrupt

[LightCaster]

Motive?

Why? Give me just one good reason why would Russians be behind of it? What they can have from it?

[Viper]

I just like to say respectfully that Putin does indeed seem devastated in these pics from the crash.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=166288.msg988407#msg988407

[Dig]

sorry for double posting, but it I think the most important motive:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/76446-g-7-central-bankers-stymied-by-crude-oil-vigilantes

European Central Bank chief, Jean Trichet, chaired a meeting of central bankers from the “Group of 10” industrialized nations on May 5th, and acknowledged that:

"Inflation risks are significant under the influence of oil and energy price increases, commodity price increases more generally, and food and agricultural products. This is perceived in all economies without exception. This is no time for complacency for central banks in any respect."


So the EU bank chief promotes "Problem/Reaction/Solution" to financial crisis.

How did the Polish Central Bank Chief respond?


“Food pressures are one of the most serious problems that we have to face now,” added Poland’s central bank chief, Slawomir Skrzypek. “But central banks cannot use monetary policy tools to manage this problem,” he said.


Polish Central Bank chief was against using monetary policy to always be in reaction mode. Not a friend to the Keynesian system or the G7/NATO banksters from this information, but requires more research.

"You shall know them by their deeds.."

European Union   

José Manuel Barroso, the President of the European Commission said: "I express my deep condolences to Poland for the passing away of President Kaczyński, his wife and all those with them under such tragic circumstances on their way to mark the 70th anniversary commemoration of the Katyn massacres. I have worked very closely with President Kaczyński, in a spirit of loyalty, and I respected in him a very determined Polish patriot who at the same time was very committed to our European Union and to the values of freedom and solidarity. The European Commission joins me in this moment in the expression of sympathy and tribute."

REALLY?

REALLY?

EU Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso warns EU member states, especially Poland

AGREE OR ELSE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkMaTB9VpY0&feature=related

France   

President Nicolas Sarkozy paid tribute to Kaczyński in a statement: "a man driven by ardent patriotism, who dedicated his life to his country."[50]

REALLY?

REALLY?

Sarkozy on an EU without Poland

EUXTV — June 23, 2007 — French President Nicolas Sarkozy speaks out about the prospect for a European Union of 26 nations without Poland...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vmnQcEXSNE&feature=fvw


ANYONE WHO TALKS ABOUT THE POLISH PRESIDENT'S "PATRIOTISM" IS A PRIME SUSPECT IN THE ASSASSINATION!

PATRIOTISM = ANTI-NWO/ANTI-$EURO

[Brocke]

Guess who wasn't on that plane...


Prime Minister Donald Tusk

http://www.kprm.gov.pl/en/press_centre/multimedia/photographies/#4470,0

Donald Franciszek Tusk [ˈdɔnalt franˈt​͡ɕiʂɛk ˈtusk] (born April 22, 1957)
is a centre-right Polish politician, co-founder and chairman of the Civic Platform (Platforma Obywatelska), and the Prime Minister of the Republic of Poland.

Since being elected prime minister, relations between Tusk and President Lech Kaczyński have often been acrimonious due to different political ideologies and the constitutional role of the presidency. Using presidential veto powers, Kaczyński has blocked legislation drafted by the Tusk government, including pension reform, agricultural and urban zoning plans, and restructuring state television.  Tusk and Kaczyński have repeatedly sparred over issues ranging from European integration, homosexuality, foreign policy, to constitutional issues, with Tusk taking more socially liberal opinions than the conservative Kaczyński.

In his premiership, Tusk has proposed various reforms to the Polish constitution. In 2009, Tusk proposed changes to the power of the presidency, by abolishing the presidential veto. “The president should not have veto power. People make their decision in elections and then state institutions should not be in conflict," said Tusk. Tusk again reiterated his desire for constitutional reform in February 2010, proposing that the presidential veto be overridden by a simple parliamentary majority rather than through a three-fifths vote. “Presidential veto could not effectively block the will of the majority in parliament, which won elections and formed the government,” stated Tusk. Further constitutional reforms proposed by Tusk include reducing the Sejm from a membership of 460 to 300, “not only because of its savings, but also the excessive number of members’ causes blurring certain plans and projects.” Similarly, Tusk proposed radical changes to the Senate, preferring to abolish the upper house altogether, yet due to constitutional concerns and demands from the junior coalition Polish People's Party partner, Tusk proposed reducing the Senate from 100 to 49, while including former presidents to sit in the Senate for political experience and expertise in state matters. Parliamentary immunity for all members of the Sejm and Senate would also be stripped, except for in special situations. In addition, Tusk proposed that the prime minister’s role in foreign policy decisions would be greatly expanded. By decreasing the president’s role in governance, executive power would further be concentrated in the prime minister, directly responsible to the cabinet and Sejm, as well as avoiding confusion over Poland’s representation at international or EU summits. The oppositon conservative Law and Justice party deeply criticized Tusk's constitutional reform proposals, opting in opposing legislation for the presidency to garner greater power over the prime minister.

In an interview with the Financial Times in January 2010, Tusk was asked if he considered running again as Civic Platform’s candidate for that year’s presidential election. Tusk replied that although the presidential election typically drew the most voters to the polls and remained Poland's most high-profiled race, the presidency had little political power outside of the veto, and preferred to remain as prime minister. While not formally excluding his candidacy, Tusk declared that “I would very much like to continue to work in the government and Civic Platform, because that seems to me to be the key element in ensuring success in the civilisational race in which we are engaged.” A day after the interview, Tusk formally announced his intention of staying as prime minister, allowing his party to choose another candidate.

Controversies

On 27th October 2009, Tusk declared that he wants to partially delegalize gambling. There are some concerns on Internet censorship, as Tusk wants to ban Internet gambling and monitor Internet connections and money transfers.

During the 2009 swine flu pandemic, Tusk defended his government's decision to not purchase swine flu vaccine, citing the lack of testing by pharmaceutical companies and its unavailability to be purchased freely through the market. Tusk criticized other nations' responses to the pandemic. "The eagerness of some countries seems to be excessive and disproportionate to the real epidemiological situation," Tusk stated, referring to the pandemic's relatively low fatality rate. The government's decision drew harsh responses from oppostion members in the Sejm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Tusk


Vladimir Putin and Donald Tusk attend Katyn memorial

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8607605.stm

Russia's Vladimir Putin and Polish counterpart Donald Tusk have marked the 70th anniversary of the Katyn massacre in a historic ceremony.

In 1943 the Nazis discovered a mass grave in Russia's Katyn forest, where some 20,000 Polish officers were shot by Soviet secret police.

This is the first time Russians have marked the anniversary - for 50 years, the Soviet Union blamed the murders on the Nazis.

It is hoped the ceremony will help thaw relations between Russia and Poland.

[reddog801]

I am simply awed by the fact that the NWO pulled this off right in front of the world and most people just opened their eyes to see a plane crash and then went right back to sleep. This was a HUGE set up. How did they ever get all those heads of state on one plane? Somebody would have been barking very loudly!!!!


The NWO is here. The Police State is here......arm up America, the fight is on.....

[LightCaster]

OK for NWO-Bankers-Euro motive, But I don't see Russia in it.

And if Putin is pro-NWO why did he arrest the most powerful Illuminati Bankers and Billionaires in Russia. Then show me one Russian in Bilderberg, CFR, or any other NWO body?

[Brocke]

Plane crash boosts PM Tusk’s prospects

Web posted at: 4/11/2010 1:28:11
Source ::: REUTERS

WARSAW: The plane crash that killed Poland’s president and leading opposition politicians has removed at one stroke key opponents of Prime Minister Donald Tusk and his ruling centrist Civic Platform (PO).

While a shocking blow to Poland’s body politic, analysts say constitutional mechanisms will ensure there is no power vacuum and there will not be any long-term impact on stability.

The crash will reinforce Tusk’s already considerable dominance of Polish politics and analysts say it may have relatively muted long-term consequences, though they also stress it is too early to predict the full impact of such an unprecedented accident on the national psychology.

President Lech Kaczynski, his top aides, the central bank governor and seven lawmakers from the main opposition Law and Justice Party (PiS) were among 96 people killed when their plane crashed in thick fog near Smolensk in western Russia.

“Today’s plane crash will raise concerns about (Polish) political stability and relations with Russia, but the outlook is reassuring regarding the institutional transition for the presidency and the central bank,” said Preston Keat, an analyst for Eurasia Group, a London-based political risk consultancy.

“The leading political and policy actors will move quickly to stabilise the situation.”

Kaczynski, 60, and his twin brother Jaroslaw, who heads PiS and was not aboard the plane, have spearheaded opposition to Tusk’s pro-market economic policies, his embrace of the European Union and his push for early adoption of the euro. Lech Kaczynski, known for his combative nationalism, his devout Roman Catholicism and deep distrust of both the EU and of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, had been expected to seek a fresh five-year mandate in a presidential election due this autumn.

Under Polish law, parliamentary speaker Bronislaw Komorowski is now acting president and the election will take place by the end of June. Komorowski, 58, is the candidate of Tusk’s Civic Platform (PO) and opinion polls have shown him winning the post. The candidate of the small leftist opposition SLD, Jerzy Szmajdzinski, also died in yesterday’s crash.

In Poland, the government holds most power but the president has a say in foreign policy and can veto laws. Kaczynski irked Tusk’s government by blocking media, health and pension reforms.

“When all the dust has settled, I don’t think this tragedy will fundamentally change Poland’s situation economically or in any other way,” one government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told Reuters.

“There are a lot of uncertainties at the moment. People are very upset, but the risks seem relatively limited. Poland’s democracy should prove its resilience. The constitution states clearly what must happen,” he said.

“The presidential election campaign will be difficult, but I expect people will show restraint in these circumstances,” the government official said. Many expect an upsurge of sympathy for Jaroslaw Kaczynski.

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[Brocke]

Polish President Kaczynski, Who Vowed ‘Moral Revolution,’ Dies

By Nathaniel Espino and Marta Waldoch

April 10 (Bloomberg) -- Polish President Lech Kaczynski, a former anti-communist dissident who came to power with his twin brother in 2005 promising a “moral revolution,” died in a plane crash in Russia. He was 60.

Kaczynski was killed during a landing near Smolensk, Russia, where he was to pay tribute to more than 4,000 Polish military officers massacred by Soviet secret police in the Katyn forest. His wife, Maria, and central bank Governor Slawomir Skrzypek also lost their lives.

“Five years ago I experienced the death of the Holy Father,” Roman Catholic Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz said at a news briefing carried live on Polish public television, referring to the late Pope John Paul II. “Now we have a similar tragedy. This is a great tragedy for the Polish nation.”

Kaczynski was elected in October 2005, the month after the Law & Justice party he co-founded with his brother Jaroslaw won a parliamentary election. Jaroslaw later became the prime minister, giving the identical twins control of both the presidency and the government.

The brothers pledged to stamp out corruption and break up “the system,” which they saw as rife with communist-era officials who controlled politics and business in the country of 38 million people. Their goal suffered a setback in 2007 when voters kicked Jaroslaw out in early elections after his governing coalition fell apart. Poles then voted in current Prime Minister Donald Tusk, who had lost the presidency to Lech Kaczynski in 2005.

Policy Disputes

After Tusk took office, he and Kaczynski clashed over the president’s role in foreign policy, on issues including the U.S. missile defense program and the appointment of a NATO secretary general.

In 2008, Kaczynski chartered his own plane to attend a European Union summit in Brussels after Tusk’s government said his presence at the summit would make Poland’s work “too difficult” and refused to allow him a government aircraft. He was endorsed by Law and Justice for a presidential election due later this year, for which he was trailing in opinion polls. He was expected to announce his bid for reelection next month.

Lech Kaczynski was born on June 18, 1949. His father, Rajmund, served in Poland’s Home Army resistance during World War II, fighting in the Warsaw Uprising of 1944.

Child Actors

Lech and Jaroslaw became child stars in 1962 when they appeared in “The Two Who Stole the Moon,” a film about troublemaker twins who decide to steal the moon and sell it so they wouldn’t ever have to do any work.

Lech Kaczynski became involved in Poland’s anti-communist opposition in 1976, according to a biography on the presidential Web site. He was jailed in the 1980s for his work with the anti- communist Solidarity trade union founded by Lech Walesa.

Walesa was elected Poland’s first post-communist president in 1990 and the Kaczynski brothers broke with him in 1991, feuding publicly with the Nobel laureate.

Kaczynski returned to politics in 2000-2001, serving as minister of justice, and was elected mayor of Warsaw in 2002- 2005, where for two consecutive years he refused to let gay- rights activists hold an “Equality Parade.”

Kaczynski earned a doctorate in law at the University of Gdansk in 1980, writing a dissertation on labor law.

Kaczynski and his wife are survived by a daughter, Marta, and her two daughters, Ewa and Martyna.

To contact the reporters on this story: Nathaniel Espino in Warsaw nespino@bloomberg.netMarta Waldoch at mwaldoch@bloomberg.net

[larsonstdoc]

Motive?

Why? Give me just one good reason why would Russians be behind of it? What they can have from it?

  THERE ARE PAGES AND PAGES HERE OF REASONS WHY THE RUSSIANS ARE BEHIND THIS.  Start reading these posts.

[votewritein]

As well as the president and his wife, Maria, a number of senior officials were also said to be on the passenger list.

They included the army chief of staff Gen Franciszek Gagor, central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer. 

From BBC

I'd almost be willing to bet that central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek was the target.

[Dig]

  THERE ARE PAGES AND PAGES HERE OF REASONS WHY THE RUSSIANS ARE BEHIND THIS.  Start reading these posts.

where?

[Dig]

I'd almost be willing to bet that central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek was the target.

he was definitely the main target, the rest were cannon fodder to the illuminati