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« on: November 30, 2007, 06:55:09 AM »

FBI's Gun Ban Listing Swells - Thousands Added To File Marked 'Mental Defective'
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/29/AR2007112901238_pf.html
By Dan Eggen Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 30, 2007; A01



Since the Virginia Tech shootings last spring, the FBI has more than doubled the number of people nationwide who are prohibited from buying guns because of mental health problems, the Justice Department said yesterday. Justice officials said the FBI's "Mental Defective File" has ballooned from 175,000 names in June to nearly 400,000, primarily because of additions from California. The names are listed in a subset of a database that gun dealers are supposed to check before completing sales. The surge in names underscores the size of the gap in FBI records that allowed Seung Hui Cho to purchase the handguns he used in April to kill 32 people and himself at the Virginia Tech campus in Blacksburg. A Virginia state court found Cho to be dangerously mentally ill in 2005 and ordered him to receive outpatient treatment. But because Cho was not ordered into hospital treatment, the court's order was never provided to the FBI and incorporated in its database. Two gun dealers checked the list before selling Cho the 9mm Glock 19 and the Walther .22-caliber pistol he used in the shootings.For nearly four decades, federal law has prohibited gun sales to people judged to be "mentally defective," but enforcement has been haphazard. A 1995 Supreme Court ruling barred the federal government from forcing states to provide the data, and 18 states -- including Delaware and West Virginia -- provide no mental health-related information to the FBI at all. Both Virginia and Maryland do provide the data.

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a group favoring tighter firearms controls, said the most optimistic estimates suggest that even the FBI's expanded list is missing 4 of 5 Americans who have been ruled mentally dangerous to themselves or others. "If people realized how weak our system is in terms of background checks for people who are dangerously mentally ill, they would be shocked," Helmke said. "It's clear that there could be another Virginia Tech killer buying a gun today, and there's nothing that can be done about it." The vast majority of the individuals who were added to the FBI's list were identified by California, which provided more than 200,000 names in October, the Justice Department said. Ohio provided more than 7,000 new names, and the number of states reporting mental health data to the FBI this year grew from 23 to 32, officials said. "Instant background checks are essential to keeping guns out of the wrong hands, while still protecting the privacy of our citizens," Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey said in a speech announcing the numbers in Park City, Utah. "But as we learned in the tragedy at Virginia Tech, the checks must be accurate and complete to be effective. We're making progress, and I hope that even more states will submit this information." The Virginia Tech deaths, which resulted from the deadliest college campus shooting incident in U.S. history, have prompted a push by federal and state lawmakers to improve voluntary reporting by the states of those covered by the ban.

House Democrats reached an agreement earlier this year with the National Rifle Association on legislation meant to encourage states to submit timely background-check data to the FBI, by offering monetary awards and threatening penalties. "Our position has always been that those who have been adjudicated as mentally defective or a danger to themselves or to others or suicidal should not have access to firearms" and should be added to the FBI's list, NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said. The measure passed easily in the House, but it has stalled in the Senate because of a hold by Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.). He has said he opposes the legislation because he thinks its implementation would cost too much and because it lacks a mechanism to challenge inclusion on the list. He was joined by some veterans' groups, which argued that former soldiers might be denied gun-owning rights without due process. In Virginia, Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) tightened state rules in May by ordering agencies to block gun sales to those involuntarily committed for inpatient or outpatient mental health treatment; previously only those committed to hospitals could not buy a gun. Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) also issued a new gun-purchase regulation, which requires buyers to sign a waiver that releases mental health records to state police. Mukasey highlighted the expanded FBI list during his first public speech after being narrowly confirmed by the Senate three weeks ago. He also told the National Association of Attorneys General that Washington will continue federal assistance for communities struggling against rising rates of violent crime. Aides to the retired federal judge say his priority is to repair relations with Congress and to rebuild the department in the aftermath of controversies that beset his predecessor, Alberto R. Gonzales. "I don't think you are going to see any big new initiatives, at least not right away," one Justice official said this week.
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2007, 05:04:35 PM »

IIRC correctly, in the old Soviet Union anyone unhappy with the State was considered mentally ill, in need of mental health treatment.


'Course, that won't happen here.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2007, 05:56:53 PM »

IIRC correctly, in the old Soviet Union anyone unhappy with the State was considered mentally ill, in need of mental health treatment.


'Course, that won't happen here.

Not as long as people like glenn beck are protecting our rights.
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2007, 07:10:13 PM »

Anyone who has been paying attention, especially to the events of today in New Hampshire... Taking into account the conclusion of this event with "mental illness" as being the reason, by admission consciously asserted by the perpetrator of the hostage situation, as well as, the subject matter bandied back and forth by the talking heads on the news... always alluding to the possibility that the perpetrator was in their words "probably mentally ill", and that drugs and or alcohol were most likely involved which exacerbated the "mental illness"... well this all plays right into what began back in April. A direct assault on the Second Amendment, with the murders at Virginia Tech, at the hands of a "mentally ill" college student with 2 legally purchased hand-guns. 

As you pointed out in your piece above, Sane, a whole new category of "mental illness" is being created before our very eyes.  If one reads HR-2640 closely you will see that it opens up all records, school records, juvenile police records, medical records clear back to kindergarten, military records-including military medical records, in fact, all records of all citizens will be opened for scrutiny as allowed by this bill, should it become law. 

New definitions of what constitutes "mental illness" are being fashioned as we speak, and will be sold to the unsuspecting American citizen through television and radio shows and news programs, as well as other methods of disseminating "new ways" of looking at what "mental illness" is. 

This is all aimed directly at the Second Amendment by the Utopian elite! As Rudolph Guiliani stated when he was speaking about the Second Amendment in the debate the other night... he believes government has the right to restrict the individual right to bear arms, based upon "mental illness". This garnered a loud boo-ing from the audience... and today's shill event is in response.

I believe Rudolph Guiliani has read the Second Amendment, I also believe that he and his "new world order" friends have figured a way around the Second Amendment ... The staged event we saw in New Hampshire today with the wall-to-wall commercial nullifying coverage on all channels, is part of the "Second Amendment nullifying method" they are using...

I think Rudolph Giuliani can read just fine.  I think he has an agenda that cannot be changed by anything that Ron Paul would suggest ... any more than Hillary Clinton, George Bush, or any of the rest of the "new world order" crowd would listen to anything that Ron Paul would have to say, because Ron Paul represents the absolute bane, a complete roadblock to their police state dream!

We have three hours in which to donate in order to save the Second Amendment, joining the "Gun Owners of America for Paul" in our effort to push this Nov. 30th fund drive well over the $1 million mark in order to save our NATURAL right to protect ourselves, especially from a tyrannical government!


Kenneth Goff wrote an excellent monograph back in the 50's on this very thing as the method that would be used to bring the US under World Socialism... I have the book, as well as on pdf... it pulls the veil from the idea of "mental illness" as used in psycho politics and the fallacy of it all, including the methods of mental healing...

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2007, 12:06:34 PM »

Remember earlier this year when the AMA tried to get video game addiction officially classified as an actual mental illness? If they had succeeded, just imagine having your guns confiscated just for playing Tetris or Grand Theft Auto for more than 30 minutes.

And do you know WHERE video games were invented? At a defense contractor, Sanders Associates, which is now part of Lockheed-Martin.

http://synworld.t0.or.at/level3/text_archive/hart_text.htm


Guns, Games, and Glory:
The Birth of Home Video Games
Sam Hart

Ralph Baer has been called “the Tom Edison of video games,” and for good reason. It was under his supervision that a team of 500 engineers and technicians built the first video game console in 1966. What is not commonly known is how and why this came to be.

There was not a demand for the product. Only a handful of persons in the world had played previous computer games. Those games were usually variations of a game called “Spacewar” and could only be played on $40,000 computer terminals. Thus the question must be asked, who would have funded such a project? The answer is: The Pentagon.

Baer worked for a military electronics consulting firm innocently named Sanders Associates. In the past, Sanders Associates had been employed by the United States military to design weapon circuitry, wire missiles, and generally develop classified military equipment. In 1965 military strategists came to Sanders with a project. They desired computer simulations to help refine their soldier’s military prowess by teaching strategy and magnifying reflex skills. They wanted the system to be compact enough to be portable (portable in those days meaning “luggable” or lighter than eighty or so pounds) and to use relatively inexpensive equipment, namely an ordinary television screen. The project was given high security precautions, as most projects were during the height of the Cold War, and Baer was chosen to head it.

After struggling for months on the project by himself, Baer finally succeeded in getting two white dots to chase each other around a black and white screen. This impressed the military representatives enough to warrant a dramatic increase in funding, which lead to the hiring of more assistants. Originally, Baer hired two engineers, Bill Harrison and Bill Rusch, to work full-time on the secretive “TV Game” project. Together, they worked in a ten-by-fifteen foot windowless office affectionately referred to as “the game room.” The office was always locked, and the only people with keys were Baer, Harrison, and Rusch.

As time went by, more and more were employed in the project. Within a year the team had a working ball-and-paddle game. Over the next six months this would evolve into a moderately sophisticated hockey game. By the end of 1966, Baer and his team had a working prototype of a video game console ready to show members of a Pentagon review board.

The project leaders beamed with pride as they switched on the device for those present. The television hummed and slowly blocks of light came into focus. The members of the Pentagon review board were not impressed. They felt that insufficient progress had been made on the project, but acknowledged there was enough reason to continue research.

It was at this meeting that Baer first expressed his personal theory that a device such as this could be a very profitable form of entertainment. The review board, however, felt that the military could benefit from such a technology more than a consumer, and decided that the project was to continue under it’s “top secret” classification. It would be four years before a non-military company would be approached with a similar system
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