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I am in disbelief. Could be due to my expectations of fellow Americans. I give them to much credit most likely. Someone try to explain to me why this poor boy was suspended. http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/Boy-Threatened-With-Suspension-Over-Toy-Gun-83473992.htmlThese kids are admired and even adored. I realize this was staged , but read the comments. They are for more disturbing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uovMpapeCJQI bring to you the future of America. Guns are bad, but kids in school plays about drugs and murder........ BRILLIANT! |
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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2010, 08:48:00 PM » |
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I think there was a similar story recently about a boy (kindergartner or grade-schooler) being suspended for making a pistol sign with his hand.
This has gotten completely ridiculous.
The degree of control people are being placed under in the West, in order to make society safe has become absurd.
If only the whole world were made of Nerf!
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2010, 11:22:48 AM » |
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Given the sensitivity of guns in schools...
Its only normal to teach a child that there is a stigma against guns in schools.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2010, 01:03:15 PM » |
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By punishing them, right? "Teaching" by punishing right?
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2010, 05:11:17 PM » |
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Yes.
If a child does ill to society etc, you do not reinforce, you reprimand.
Sounds normal.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2010, 05:47:35 PM » |
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The grade schooler who made a gun with his hand was in all likelihood playing, not doing ill to society. The bureaucrats in charge (his teachers) simply went overboard. Drama queens. Wanted to be on the 11 o'clock news.
You could at least attempt to explain it to them once before "punishing" them. Explanation is what teaching is about. That was my point.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2010, 05:52:07 PM » |
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Yes.
If a child does ill to society etc, you do not reinforce, you reprimand.
Sounds normal.
How is a toy gun from a G.I.Joe doing ill to society? |
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 08:53:33 AM » |
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How is a toy gun from a G.I.Joe doing ill to society?
First the bring toy guns to school, next they bring real guns to school, next they rob banks. Right? |
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 09:04:36 AM » |
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First the bring toy guns to school, next they bring real guns to school, next they rob banks.
Right?
that sarcasm i hope, if not that's a real stretch of the imagination. |
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 02:18:39 PM » |
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First the bring toy guns to school, next they bring real guns to school, next they rob banks.
Right?
That is the worst argument I have ever heard. Kids who bring guns to school are not bringing guns to school because they started bringing toy guns previously. Toy guns are not a gateway to real guns. Kids who have access to guns normally access the guns from irresponsible adults. Or they purchase them through gangs on the black market. Toy guns are not the issue. Gun education and zero tolerance are the problem here. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2010, 02:44:43 PM » |
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My ten-year old boy picks up a stick and uses that for a 'toy gun' ...
are they gonna suspend him for doing that?
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2010, 03:17:58 PM » |
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My ten-year old boy picks up a stick and uses that for a 'toy gun' ...
are they gonna suspend him for doing that?
Probably, you might want to have him checked out by a psychiatrist and prescribed him some adderall. No room for imagination or playful children in this world. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2010, 03:36:21 PM » |
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want to see some really dumb youths ? watch the video, I bet their parents are so proud of them for wasting good money ..  Brand new ipad getting smashed by a baseball bat ,Breaking brand new out of the box ipad http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Brand_new_ipad_getting_smashed_by_a_baseball_bat |
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I am a realist that is slightly conservative yet I have some republican demeanor that can turn democrat when I feel the urge to flip independant.
The truth shall set you free, if not a 45ACP round will do the trick.. HEHE
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2010, 04:11:51 PM » |
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That was ridiculous. Not only are those kids ignorant, it took me ten minutes to load it because my company has the worst wireless internet in the world.
The kids in that video seem to have no sense of the value of a dollar (interestingly enough that isn't much anymore).
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2010, 08:21:09 AM » |
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That is the worst argument I have ever heard. Kids who bring guns to school are not bringing guns to school because they started bringing toy guns previously. Toy guns are not a gateway to real guns. Kids who have access to guns normally access the guns from irresponsible adults. Or they purchase them through gangs on the black market. Toy guns are not the issue. Gun education and zero tolerance are the problem here.
Right its a terrible argument, its a slippery slope, a fallacy. Maybe this is a better argument... Bringing guns to school is against the rules, toy guns look like real guns. Therefore bringing toy guns to school is the same as bringing a real gun to school. |
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2010, 03:50:12 PM » |
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http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/410*307/gun6.jpg So that looks like real gun huh? That toy causes no threat.
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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2010, 08:09:45 AM » |
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My argument (or schools argument)
If its a toy gun, then its a real gun
Its a toy gun.
Then its a real gun.
Valid but not true.
Schools have been punishing children for bringing and or making any weapon type object to school long before the recent school shootings, not to say that they haven't happen before. Even a piece of paper folded into a shape of a gun would get someone in trouble.
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