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« Reply #560 on: February 20, 2011, 07:53:20 AM »

yes he's dead, so what does that mean, his testimony is less relevant?  it was simply a matter of time?? what are u getting at?

You cannot subpoena a dead witness, thus the testimony cannot be cross examined and is basically inadmissible, plus they have an excuse for the demolitions in New York (to prevent any case from ever coming to court), it was a doomsday security feature, "reluctantly" and pragmatically added to the "dangerous" structures to "save Lower Manhattan" and 10's of thousands of more lives, in the remote event of another "terrorist" attack that simply "unfortunately had to be used" once the situations worsened after the Saudi/Afghani cave man attacks to save lives. (LOL)

At the Pentagon there are no such excuses, and a huge archive of irrefutable evidence, evidence of evidence tampering, evidence of guilty behavior at the scene, evidence of hurried, wanton crime scene disturbance and tampering, evidence of two attacks, evidence of criminal negligence in securing the crime scene, evidence of a phony airplane and evidence of evidence deliberately withheld, obstructing justice..
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« Reply #561 on: February 20, 2011, 08:09:41 AM »

Not to mention independently confirmed massive unnatural radioactive contamination (well beyond the crime scene) evidence of a high temperature vaporized DU hardback-penetrator missile detonation for which decontamination-spray-tent procedures had to be instituted for workman and dog safety.

The reason they had to decontaminate workers was not fluoride from the spilled Dasani-Coke water.
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« Reply #562 on: February 20, 2011, 08:18:19 AM »



The stand-down is the best evidence for 'complicity' ...

1 1/2 hours AFTER New York was attacked ... the

military allowed incommunicado planes into the

WASHINGTON airspace? That is so ridiculous it is

laughable. We don't need plane parts ... we don't

need confirmed DNA samples ... we need to have

representatives in WASHINGTON with balls enough

to put everyone of those BUSH era SOBs on the stand

and explain HOW THE GD PENTAGON WAS HIT BY ANYTHING!

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« Reply #563 on: February 20, 2011, 08:23:47 AM »

You cannot subpoena a dead witness, thus the testimony cannot be cross examined and is basically inadmissible, plus they have an excuse for the demolitions in New York (to prevent any case from ever coming to court), it was a doomsday security feature, "reluctantly" and pragmatically added to the "dangerous" structures to "save Lower Manhattan" and 10's of thousands of more lives, in the remote event of another "terrorist" attack that simply "unfortunately had to be used" once the situations worsened after the Saudi/Afghani cave man attacks to save lives. (LOL)


they have no excuse for the demolitions because the official story is  not admitting to the demolitions
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« Reply #564 on: February 20, 2011, 08:29:59 AM »

Look at the two cases, the NYC one is highly disputable, circumstantial reliant on motive alone and scant new evidence (already "officially debunked" LOL)  and largely moot. The case where we all win best with new and conclusively disturbing evidence is in Virginia.

John Kerry and Larry Silverstien have both already publicly admitted the open "secret" of the demolitions

It was in admitting (Freudian or not) the open "secret' of the missile where they screwed up. It caused a giant controversy between competing theory enthusiasts blinding both sides (Planers and no-Planers) to the fact it was two attacks involving both a silvery-painted green pilotless-drone airplane and a missile.

Only two separate attacks explains the fresh still-smoking hole with no fuel-fire nor airplane parts in nor beyond it.



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« Reply #565 on: February 20, 2011, 08:43:22 AM »

in the court of public opinion,trying to convince someone that 9/11 was an inside job, the smoking gun is wtc7...not virginia, not the pentagon, I'm astonished that this obvious point can not be agreed upon
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« Reply #566 on: February 20, 2011, 08:47:55 AM »

in the court of public opinion,trying to convince someone that 9/11 was an inside job, the smoking gun is wtc7...not virginia, not the pentagon, I'm astonished that this obvious point can not be agreed upon

THERE IS A PERFECTLY VALID AND LOGICAL "DEBUNKING EXCUSE" FOR ALL THE WTC TOWERS DEMOLITIONS!

It was to protect the "fragile slurry wall' of the "big-bathtub foundation from flooding Lower Manhattan" - it has already been used!

Case is closed there, they'll always have that "out". It was a "sadly" secret doomsday "security feature" - end of story!

This is already the "unofficial secret truth" they whisper to one another, WTC7 means squat.
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« Reply #567 on: February 20, 2011, 09:02:14 AM »

THERE IS A PERFECTLY VALID AND LOGICAL "DEBUNKING EXCUSE" FOR ALL THE WTC TOWERS DEMOLITIONS!

It was to protect the "fragile slurry wall' of the "big-bathtub foundation from flooding Lower Manhattan" - it has already been used!

Case is closed there, they'll always have that "out". It was a "sadly" secret doomsday "security feature" - end of story!

This is already the "unofficial secret truth" they whisper to one another, WTC7 means squat.

Yes and no ... they could not have set the charges necessary to bring bring down 7 ... or 1 & 2 ... in a few minutes/hours during which all hell was breaking loose. Doesn't work for me as an 'out'.

But, I too believe their Pentagram story is absurd ... fit only for mind-programmed slaves.

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« Reply #568 on: February 20, 2011, 09:07:21 AM »



Comparing these two pictures of two 220' deep buildings is the smoking gun.

Yes and no ... they could not have set the charges necessary to bring bring down 7 ... or 1 & 2 ... in a few minutes/hours during which all hell was breaking loose. Doesn't work for me as an 'out'.

But, I too believe their Pentagram story is absurd ... fit only for mind-programmed slaves.

No they had 4 years to do it, after "finally facing the devastating security and liability nightmare possibility" of the damn towers keeling over flooding the whole city from another basement bombing like the 1st 1996 WTC attack.
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« Reply #569 on: February 20, 2011, 09:09:04 AM »

Yes and no ... they could not have set the charges necessary to bring bring down 7 ... or 1 & 2 ... in a few minutes/hours during which all hell was breaking loose. Doesn't work for me as an 'out'.

But, I too believe their Pentagram story is absurd ... fit only for mind-programmed slaves.


exactly,all their stories are absurd but the smoking gun is clearly wtc7
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« Reply #570 on: February 20, 2011, 09:17:52 AM »

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No they had 4 years to do it, after "finally facing the devastating security and liability nightmare possibility" of the damn towers keeling over flooding the whole city from another basement bombing like the 1st 1996 WTC attack.

I'm sorry ABS if I missed a link ... but do they admit to setting demo
charges in the three buildings during the four years between the attacks?

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« Reply #571 on: February 20, 2011, 09:35:34 AM »

I'm sorry ABS if I missed a link ... but do they admit to setting demo
charges in the three buildings during the four years between the attacks?

That has always been the sole, direct implication of Bonesman-Kerry's specific comment and Silverstein's candid admission.

That is Bush's "insider cover-story" and it totally negates any effort to challenge the WTC events.

Even though I think and would agree it illegal to secretly plant explosives anywhere for any reason, that is just a minor felony, supposedly committed for "the greater public good and security" in this sick circumstance. Hardly a good mass murder charge, unless you can prove participation and complicity in the events elsewhere.
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« Reply #572 on: February 20, 2011, 11:50:56 PM »

Obviously, I was speaking figuratively here as we all know that the physical pieces were all largely disappeared.  I mean the major facts of the case might eventually be teased out of the evidence available.
Good, I'm glad we are in agreement on that.

Well, IMO we do have to analyze what little evidence we have at our disposal exhaustively, to do what we can

That's agentbluescreen's theory at this point, not mine, so I wil let him defend it, though I do no tthink it is entirely without merit.

Actually, I quite agree that the false-flag was well-planned from the point-of-view of thwarting fuure investigators.  You've got to give the devil his due.  It is still incumbent on the truth community to work together to come up with the most complete and workable theory we can.
In agreement with the point you were trying to make with the video clip, I quite agree with this as well.  All the more reason to try to keep our disagreements civil and constructive.

At this point I am quite convinced there was a plane, one plane FOLLOWED UP WITH A MISSILE STRIKE.  So, actually no disagreement with you here.
And I on yours I believe.
Again no disagreement from me now, just over what sort of plane it was necessarily and whether something might have been sent in after it. Hopefully, in the end, birds (no pun intended?) of a feather WILL flock together.

I bow to your humility.
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« Reply #573 on: February 21, 2011, 01:32:05 AM »

I bow to your humility.

Well, you would definitely be the first.
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« Reply #574 on: February 21, 2011, 03:04:42 AM »

not sure what you're saying here , you don't want to connect the events of the pentagon to what happened in New York?? what I'm saying is that the pentagon is not the truth movement's strongest case to explain how 9/11 was an inside job, what hit the pentagon is in dispute, why go around in circles to prove one theory over the other when wtc7 should be all the proof we need to prove the case that 9/11 was an inside job

I'm speaking from a criminal investigators perspective. Two seperate crime scenes, well 3 actually including the PA site, that's all I'm saying. You don't cross-contaminate evidence, and part of that is to not mix investigating each physical location as one big crime scene. Ultimately we know it's all part of a bigger crime, but locations need to be treated seperately to get down to the facts of each location. No questions all of the scense are connected in the end.

It's your opinion that the Pentagon is not the strongest case. I tend to focus on the Pentagon because of their claims that a commercial airliner did things it can't do, based on my background in working on military flight simulators. The NY crime scene involves more building engineering stuff that I don't have quite the understanding of that I do with aviation.
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« Reply #575 on: February 21, 2011, 06:41:45 AM »


It's your opinion that the Pentagon is not the strongest case. I tend to focus on the Pentagon because of their claims that a commercial airliner did things it can't do, based on my background in working on military flight simulators. The NY crime scene involves more building engineering stuff that I don't have quite the understanding of that I do with aviation.

I agree and believe here (Pentagon crime scene) we have the strongest and easiest case of US involvement and investigative fraud to investigate and to prove.

The things with the spools, plane hole height and wing width-size, damage depth and lack of fuel-penetration, witness observations, terrain-hugging target approach, lamp poles and High-G flight behavior are 100% indicative of a robotic TERCOM guidance system adapted to a smaller, more powerfully maneuverable 737 -300+ THAT WAS WELL PROGRAMMED BUT UNAWARE OF IT'S OWN CRAFT'S WIDTH.

It really is terribly obvious that this silvery-painted "green plane" was no American Airlines aircraft, and no human piloted it.

Even if one out of 10 pilots (with practice) could more or less accurately 'aim' a 6g turn like that on a couch (no way of simulating the low terrain hug approach) there is no way to simulate MOVING g forces in a STATIONARY simulator. A simulator merely creates a "temporary thrust-swing-toss" impression of g-force change-initiation, it doesn't spin around the room to constantly "stick you to a wall" with the actual, steady, descending rotary g-forces your arms and fingers on the controls would be fighting.

No human pilot would risk hitting those lamp poles, could have lost an engine or wing and cart-wheeled or flat-spun right out-over into Rumsfeld's well-known office or across the other parking lot into the river
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« Reply #576 on: February 21, 2011, 06:48:42 AM »

I'm just throwing this out there, because I don't know that much about this technical aspect:

Is there proof that even a machine could have made these maneuvers?
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« Reply #577 on: February 21, 2011, 07:09:43 AM »

I'm just throwing this out there, because I don't know that much about this technical aspect:

Is there proof that even a machine could have made these maneuvers?

The standard TERCOM guidance control (piloting) system is designed to behave in exactly this way, single engine cruise missiles and smart bombs with practically no wings/controls are "flown" by it like this all the time. All they needed to do is put it in the nose and hook up a flight control output-interface. It uses radar, thermal/night, GPS, compass, RPY and altimeter data referenced to a detailed, preloaded 3D terrain-target map to operate flight controls.

Though terrain data might show the light pole is there it would only avoid it if it was in it's self-images 'default' width-path. It was obviously just 'thinking' (default width-clearance assumption) it was narrower than an airliner.

Only trained Top Gun class naval aviators and AF fighter pilots ever train to use and execute High G maneuvers, you need to learn to do it in an aircraft wearing a G suit. Civil aviators (excluding stunt pilots) don't ever fly aircraft that way save in the most extreme of emergencies and don't train to "miss mountains at the last minute" in any flight school. They're trained to avoid and evade mountains and other aircraft early under all conditions.

TERCOM is specifically designed to do these sorts of super-human very high risk "radically-evasive", "radically-tight" and "hide in the grass" maneuvers deliberately, all the time.
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« Reply #578 on: February 22, 2011, 03:07:34 AM »

Even if one out of 10 pilots (with practice) could more or less accurately 'aim' a 6g turn like that on a couch (no way of simulating the low terrain hug approach) there is no way to simulate MOVING g forces in a STATIONARY simulator. A simulator merely creates a "temporary thrust-swing-toss" impression of g-force change-initiation, it doesn't spin around the room to constantly "stick you to a wall" with the actual, steady, descending rotary g-forces your arms and fingers on the controls would be fighting.

No human pilot would risk hitting those lamp poles, could have lost an engine or wing and cart-wheeled or flat-spun right out-over into Rumsfeld's well-known office or across the other parking lot into the river

How did you calculated to 6Gs?

The AA 757 I saw did cart wheel but it did bounce.


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« Reply #579 on: February 22, 2011, 03:10:02 AM »

How did you calculated to 6Gs?




I'm guessing English is not your first language.

I'm glad you are interested in American history though.
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« Reply #580 on: February 22, 2011, 03:32:01 AM »

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Only trained Top Gun class naval aviators and AF fighter pilots ever train to use and execute High G maneuvers, you need to learn to do it in an aircraft wearing a G suit. Civil aviators (excluding stunt pilots) don't ever fly aircraft that way save in the most extreme of emergencies and don't train to "miss mountains at the last minute" in any flight school. They're trained to avoid and evade mountains and other aircraft early under all conditions.

All fighter pilots use a g-suit, regardless of branch. They also use what's called a g-seat as well. At least they did in the F-14 and F-4 that I worked on. Has air bladders that fill up and deflate depending on direct of the aircraft to compensate for g-forces. The g-suit is designed to reduce the blood from draining from the head and upper body so that the pilot can stay aware longer. It's mostly worn on the legs and hips and fills with air to create pressure on the legs, keeping the blood in the upper regions of the body. If pilots didn't use them, they would reach what's called "grey out" much faster.

I'm not sure many stunt planes even have a g-system onboard due to added weight and expense. At least not any prop planes.
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« Reply #581 on: February 22, 2011, 04:11:31 AM »

The standard TERCOM guidance control (piloting) system is designed to behave in exactly this way, single engine cruise missiles and smart bombs with practically no wings/controls are "flown" by it like this all the time. All they needed to do is put it in the nose and hook up a flight control output-interface. It uses radar, thermal/night, GPS, compass, RPY and altimeter data referenced to a detailed, preloaded 3D terrain-target map to operate flight controls.

Though terrain data might show the light pole is there it would only avoid it if it was in it's self-images 'default' width-path. It was obviously just 'thinking' (default width-clearance assumption) it was narrower than an airliner.

Only trained Top Gun class naval aviators and AF fighter pilots ever train to use and execute High G maneuvers, you need to learn to do it in an aircraft wearing a G suit. Civil aviators (excluding stunt pilots) don't ever fly aircraft that way save in the most extreme of emergencies and don't train to "miss mountains at the last minute" in any flight school. They're trained to avoid and evade mountains and other aircraft early under all conditions.

TERCOM is specifically designed to do these sorts of super-human very high risk "radically-evasive", "radically-tight" and "hide in the grass" maneuvers deliberately, all the time.

Thanks, at least I know where to look now to learn more.

Appreciated.
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« Reply #582 on: February 28, 2011, 08:56:00 AM »

How did you calculated to 6Gs?

The AA 757 I saw did cart wheel but it did bounce.

Simple, a 450 knot 320ş (descending) turn within a radius of a half a mile. Would you like a calculator?

You mean the smaller, "SILVERY" - PAINTED TWO ENGINED GREEN 737-500 - LIKE AIRPLANE with the faked AA decals on it that only made the fairly modest 2 kilotons of damage to the bomb hardened outer wall of the back outer ring only of the darkest and shadiest back lowest ground floor of the reinforced concrete Pentagon building, crashing into it at 525 knots? (that would most obviously have been a most natural, likely and preferred target for any normal, inexperienced, novice Top Gun-quality "crazed Arab terrorist hijacker" pilot with a huge, much heavier, still fuel laden 757 that would have been capable of doing 6 kilotons of damage and totally wiping out at least two whole rings at 525 mph?)

Kinda like Don Rumsfeld "I have no idea, I never heard that" because "I only like movies about horses named Secretariat".

I'd suggest to Mr Rumsfeld a movie about a much more famous horse named Seabiscuit. That movie made much of this quotation:

"Every man who observes vigilantly and resolves steadfastly grows unconsciously into genius."
by Edward G Bulwer-Lytton.

I would also remind Mr Rumsfeld of three other very famous quotes of Lytton:

"It is difficult to say who do you the most harm: enemies with the worst intentions or friends with the best.",
"The pen is mightier than the sword" and
"It was a dark and stormy night..."
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« Reply #583 on: February 28, 2011, 07:49:03 PM »

Earlier in here I posted a comparative analysis of the two Judicial Watch videos that I based on an Italian TV youtube version of them, that it turns out, after a more thorough and careful investigation to be somewhat inaccurate, This is a new study based on the two videos compared side by side, frame by frame backwards from the moment after the last event where they are perfectly in sync thereafter.

I have come to two new conclusions:
  • Arcoiris.tv confused, lost count, repeated or lost a frame in their version of the video comparison
  • There are no obviously-timed missing nor (necessarily) obviously deleted frames, though fractions of timings (different parts of seconds) appeared to have been played with.

But the main conclusions supporting the green airplane and two strikes are still the same and even more supporting evidence is confirmed!


There is no question that both a military airplane and a missile hit the Pentagon Resource Services Washington National Guard offices and killed the Navy's NOC staff and construction workers.  Since  American Airlines does not paint silver paint over green airplanes there is no reason to believe that this aircraft was Flight 77.[/size]

Download the originals and look yourself. Both of the videos taken together certainly and clearly show both (2) separate aircraft striking the Pentagon, and two bright explosions, 9 seconds apart:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg (choose "save as")
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-2.mpg (choose "save as")[/b]

Analysis:

more or less identical pre-crash frames - nothing of interest - 12 more to go

Smoke from & tail fin of the silvery painted green plane is visible | just a nose on the right cam, it remains always a bit advanced

Aircraft collision, note the shade in left camera lens either due to the tree/Heliport tower/fire truck garage or it seeing things later (delayed slightly)

Note smaller immediate airborne blast debris (right cam bit advanced)

Note larger and heavier airborn debris now, as the front of the aircraft breaks up.
Here, something is wrong, the left cam is now advanced and right one delayed frames must be gone
or the timings have been switched to hide a much larger piece of debris flying out into the road


Note much larger and heavier airborn debris still, now thrown far out to road as the remainder of aircraft breaks up
Right camera is suddenly now clearly the delayed one!


Now much lighter stuff is still up in the air (the right cam is delayed now)

Lighter debris flung high and far begins to drop into the (now advanced again?) right hand camera foreground

Lighter debris flung high and far now visibly dropping into the foreground on both cams

Remaining lightweight debris flung high and far is mostly all dropped into the foreground in both cams

Missile now appears on right edge in the advanced right cam | delayed left cam shows second detonation flash

NOTE new, heavy metal blast wreckage blown in front of right cam also visible in left cam on right side from second blast.

heavy metal blast wreckage blown in front of right cam now laying on lawn at right by guardrail



Nothing more much to see, all the remaining frames are synched and nondescript.

So the video shows there was a second much brighter blast caused by a second missile type of airborne device that caused a second powerful dispersal of heavy debris much like the first "opening" blast of a (MWS) three warhead-stage DU hardbacked, AUP Penetrator missile detonating outside (to open) it's BROACH Target in view of the cameras.

This second blast (and two more inside milliseconds later) took place 8 seconds later.

The Green Airplane was undoubtedly a smaller aircraft like a 737-500 classic that looked much like a 757 but only did 2 kiloton damage.

The missile did the NOC and Punch Out hole afterwards, which along with the brick/tile hallway walls inside the structure also completely explains the no fuel fire out back in the AE Drive area there under C ring.

A 757 at 6 kilotons would have taken out both D and E ring completely.

The green aircraft cowling they covered up with the blue tarp and hauled in from the roadway was a dead giveaway that it could not be an American Airlines aircraft.

The video frames were selectively thinned (to one a second) to hide the crime and other videos are still being hidden for that reason
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« Reply #584 on: March 01, 2011, 06:11:31 AM »

so when will we see your video presentation agent bs?
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« Reply #585 on: March 01, 2011, 09:25:55 AM »

so when will we see your video presentation agent bs?

This is the KO, to hit them with after they've finally admitted to lying to the American people about their pre-planned WTC demolitions that were "sad but necessary to protect the slurry wall 'bathtub' foundation of the WTC complex from being breached by another catastrophic terrorist event" to "save NYC" from flooding "in the event" of a second WTC attack.

Building-what? is a fine campaign for general consumption, for now. The WTC was to be their honey pot. They want us to "bring it" because they have an excuse for "sadly having to do it". This, however, proves that they not only permitted (or missed "discovering") but actively participated in those "events" that they will continue pretending were "accidental".

Anyways I'm not a videographer. I'm just a poor pensioner doing research. I honestly don't know how to nor have the resources to make a documentary about this effectively. I'd probably get sued for stealing the music. As you can see from the beginning of this thread, I too, was also very badly fooled for a long time about what happened at the Pentagon, but the more embarrassed I found myself and the more I studied it, the more I learned.

These are just the facts, and sadly, the sad truth definitely appears to be that 9/11 was clearly no "accident".

The silvery painted green aircraft proves that they, themselves murdered the victims of Flight 77 and also murdered all those who died at the Pentagon. By simple and obvious extension it also proves their complete foreknowledge of and direct involvement in 9/11.
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« Reply #586 on: March 01, 2011, 09:42:29 AM »

Here's a video:

National Geographic  Witness D.C. 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIfwsjF8X5U&feature=player_detailpage#t=1877s
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« Reply #587 on: March 01, 2011, 11:07:28 AM »

When you read the "advanced or delayed" comments in my analysis of bear in mind that the original normal, universal NTSC (North American standard) video frame rate the FBI Mafiosi had to toy with is 30 "interlaced" frames every second. Due to paired-frame-shared "interlacing", this gives them an absolute maximum of 15 completely different "slides" within every second to play with. The edited and altered propaganda "slide shows" they released to Judicial Watch were deliberately thinned down to only a very jerky one "slide"-frame for every second.

This means the FBI Mafia had (and still have a maximum of) 14 other "slides" of video to choose from, for every second of propaganda "slide show" that they finally, reluctantly released. Thus we see the apparent timing synchronization of things in view in each slide of each "slide show" changing, depending upon which important frames the FBI liars were pick-and-choosing to hide within each second of slide show. But having to release two at once poses another problem for the liars.

With two side by side cameras, in order to keep pace with the ever-changing "progressive-swirling-fingerprint" shapes of the smoke cloud in each successive second in both slide shows, the liars had to pick at least one frame out of the next 15 within a steadily (near-7.5) progressive range of the next 5-10 slides (leaving them only 5-6 to choose from)  and this is why they couldn't hide the missile in the wider unobstructed view of the right ticket dispenser camera, and chose the most-blinding flash-slide in the other.

Deleting both whole seconds would not work because the smoke would obviously and suddenly "jerk" into a whole new shape, instead of naturally "swirling".
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« Reply #588 on: March 02, 2011, 10:19:18 PM »

Simple, a 450 knot 320ş (descending) turn within a radius of a half a mile. Would you like a calculator?

Yes I would like to see the calculator you used. Did it take into account unloading of the wings. Because just about every transportation category aircraft would have its wings fold at 6 Gs.

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« Reply #589 on: March 03, 2011, 01:55:28 AM »

Yes I would like to see the calculator you used. Did it take into account unloading of the wings. Because just about every transportation category aircraft would have its wings fold at 6 Gs.

I haven't done that radial force calculation I got the figure from Pilots for 911 Truth. It's really irrelevant anyways because we all know 100% that American Airlines doesn't fly Green Airplanes. But I'll look it up again. The estimate is conservatively 4Gs

As for other data that fits with the switched GREEN aircraft scenario:

http://nuke.crono911.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=4jXTgyX%2FSYw%3D&tabid=99&mid=505

DEPARTMENT OF THE AIR FORCE
84TH RADAR EVALUATION SQUADRON (ACC)
HILL AIR FORCE BASE, UTAH
13 Sep 01
MEMORANDUM FOR FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION (FBI)
SUBJECT: Radar Data Analysis of East Coast Terrorist Activities, 11 September 2001 (World Trade Center, Pentagon, Pittsburgh PA).

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3.3 Pentagon Aircraft (AA 77). The Plains VA ARSR-3 provided radar coverage for the AA Boeing 757 aircraft that impacted the Pentagon at 09:37 ET. Radar data shows AA 77 climbed to flight altitude west of Washington Dulles International Airport. Mode C altitude information was available on the outbound track from the aircraft transponder. The mode 3A transponder code changed at 08:40 ET from 6553 to 3743. Radar data is not available from 08:50 to 09:09 ET because AA 77 left the NORAD radar coverage area.When "AA 77" was reacquired, the transponder was OFF. Interior FAA radars may have coverage during the missing portion of flight. Only bearing and range information can be provided on the inbound leg because detection was accomplished by two-dimensional radar systems. Aircraft altitude is estimated at 25,000 feet when reacquired, based on radar horizon screening. At 09:34 ET, the Gibbsboro radar provided search height of 10,000 feet within three minutes of impact.

In fact nobody has coverage from the time AA 77 landed to the time the replacement reappeared but we know exactly (geographically) roughly where this swap must have occurred. It's time to go map searching for airfields.
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« Reply #590 on: March 03, 2011, 03:49:19 AM »

Yes I would like to see the calculator you used. Did it take into account unloading of the wings. Because just about every transportation category aircraft would have its wings fold at 6 Gs.

Since no living being named Hani Hanjour boarded no TERCOM GUIDED SILVERY PAINTED GREEN 737 AIRPLANE on 9/11 the questions of impossible 34g dive recoveries, impossible flight/ground effect paths and 4 g turns are all irrelevant. The fake silvery painted TERCOM guided 737 fake-AA drone probably came in on the North Path as the witnesses all say it did and simply turned south a bit and corrected to hit the poles. The much less observable missile snuck in another way while everyone was distracted. Practically none of the "military" nor planted "US News" witnesses can be trusted.

The FDR data is a complete fraud. Only the periodic radar-checkpoint data can be accepted
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« Reply #591 on: March 04, 2011, 12:39:45 PM »

Overwhelming Evidence Pentagon Aircraft Data Is Not From Any
"American Airlines 757"

Yesterday, 08:51 PM
Rob Balsamo

03/03/11 - (PilotsFor911Truth.org) When Pilots For 9/11 Truth was founded in the late summer of 2006, the objective was to find evidence supporting what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission as many theories were rumored that elements within the US Government might have had something to do with 9/11. Co-Founder Rob Balsamo explains how he was puzzled and motivated to pursue further research into the events of 9/11 in his citation at PatriotsQuestion911.com, which lead to the formation of Pilots For 9/11 Truth. More than four years of solid research through Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests, numerous interviews and expert analysis has revealed no hard evidence supporting or linking to -- and in many instances factually conflicting with -- conclusions made by the 9/11 Commission. Now there is overwhelming evidence which suggests the data that is being provided to the public through the FOIA, is not from an aircraft which has been operated by American Airlines.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth analysis of data being provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) has revealed the data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, exceeds the capabilities of a standard 757/767 by a wide margin, while demonstrating control issues for an "inexperienced pilot" (See 9/11: Attack On The Pentagon, 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, and Flight Of American 77). The data itself does not support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. When contacted, the NTSB and the FBI refused to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth went on to research if there was any evidence linking the data to N644AA (the aircraft described as "Flight 77"), once again, there is no evidence to support the government version of events(1). Research was also performed to determine if there was any evidence whatsoever linking the limited number of parts found at the Pentagon, to N644AA(2). In an unprecedented turn of events, the parts were never verified by any government agency for any of the four aircraft reported to have been used on 9/11. In all instances, there hasn't been any evidence provided by government agencies to support what we have been told by the 9/11 Commission. Further analysis reveals evidence demonstrating the data provided was not generated by an American Airlines airplane in the case of the attack on the Pentagon.

DATA FRAME LAYOUT

Pilots For 9/11 Truth have been provided several files through the FOIA. One file in particular, a raw Flight Data Recorder file which is described as a direct download from the FDR, contains binary code which needs to be decoded for a proper readout in a spreadsheet such as Excel. In order to decode such data, a Data Frame Layout is required. Derived from a generic Boeing Data Frame Layout, American Airlines provided it's own custom made Data Frame Layout which was designed for decoding data from aircraft within the American Airlines fleet, based on airline needs exclusive to American Airlines (AAL). The custom made AAL Data Frame Layout was unable to decode the data in full, and in some instances, neither the AAL Data Frame Layoyut nor the generic Boeing Data Frame Layout were able to be utilized in decoding the data(3). Why would American Airlines design their own custom Data Frame Layout if it cannot decode data from their aircraft? Or perhaps the data being provided is not from an American Airlines jet?

FLIGHT DECK DOOR

Pilots For 9/11 Truth also found, according to the data, there is no evidence suggesting a "Hijack" had occurred. A Flight Deck Door parameter shows the door closed for the entire flight. No evidence has been provided thus far which shows the Flight Deck Door open in order to facilitate a "Hijack".(4)

LATITUDE/LONGITUDE

Further evidence that the data is not from an American Airlines jet nor American Airlines Flight 77, comes in the form of Latitude and Longitude (Lat/Long) coordinates in the data itself. When plotted, the Lat/Long coordinates are more than 3,000 feet in error at time of departure from Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD). According to American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual, along with several American Airlines 757/767 Captains, the navigational instruments (known as an IRS or Inertial Reference System), is aligned at the gate, prior to all flights(5). If such an error is observed in an American Airlines airplane, the aircraft is grounded until fixed. It would never leave the gate. If such an error was encountered during taxi to the runway, the Captain would have had to return to the gate until it was fixed.(6)

DEPARTURE GATE AND FULL ALIGNMENT

According to official reports and audio provided by government agencies, American Airlines Flight 77 departed from Gate D26 at IAD(7). However, when the Lat/Long data is adjusted for the 3,000+ foot offset, the data shows a departure from a gate other than D26(Cool. American Airlines requires a full alignment (as opposed to a "fast alignment") prior to every flight with the pilots physically inputting the Lat/Long coordinates of the gate, provided by navigational charts, into their navigational system. The aircraft should have never left the gate with such a large error within it's navigational system. Although some aircraft have the ability to update it's position in flight, an "update" is very different from an alignment. Any "updates" in flight will not be accurate if the initial alignment was not achieved at the gate. It is interesting to note that Military Aircraft are capable of in flight alignment of an Inertial Navigation System.

AUTO-ALIGNMENT AND GPS

Military aircraft were equipped with GPS (Global Positioning Systems) long before GPS was offered for Commercial use. When equipped, they can auto-align the Inertial Reference System. N644AA (American Airlines Flight 77) was not equipped with a GPS. However, when one looks through the data, it shows a GPS as "OPERational"(12) and an airborne auto-alignment. How can a GPS be "OPER" if the data is reported to come from an aircraft which doesn't have a GPS? The data shows that the Lat/Long plots auto-aligned with Radar plots in flight after departure(9). American Airlines aircraft do not have the capability of in flight alignment nor would such an aircraft depart with such a large error and an IRS as it's primary source for navigation. It is impossible for an IRS equipped American Airlines jet to give accurate position information if the system was not aligned at the gate. The aircraft needs to be stationary for proper alignment or else the navigational device will have large errors and could perhaps be fatal(10). According to American Airlines 757/767 Captain Ralph Kolstad who has actual flight time in N644AA, if the Inertial Reference System (IRS) is lost in flight (or shows large errors), an emergency has to be declared. The aircraft is required to sit stationary for more than 10 minutes in order obtain a full alignment of the Inertial Reference System prior to every flight, according to and as required by American Airlines 757/767 Operating Manual(11). How can an auto-align occur airborne if American Airlines aircraft do not have this capability nor a GPS? This is more evidence demonstrating the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

CONCLUSION

The data does not support an impact with the Pentagon, does not support a departure from the gate claimed by official reports, if the data was in fact generated by an actual aircraft, it was generated by one which is more advanced than N644AA capability in both avionics (instruments) and performance. Furthermore, the data is not able to be decoded in full by a custom data frame layout made by American Airlines exclusively for their aircraft.

The evidence is overwhelming. The data did not come from an American Airlines Jet. Pilots For 9/11 Truth are asked regularly, "If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go?" That is a GREAT question! Pilots For 9/11 Truth recommend demanding answers in order to obtain the data from the aircraft which is claimed to have departed gate D26 at Washington Dulles on the morning of September 11, 2001 and most importantly corresponds through Lat/Long plots to a departure from Gate D26. From there, it can be tracked to where it went! Unfortunately, subpoena power will perhaps be needed to get such information and data, as FOIA requests have been exhausted and the government agencies who have responded to such requests refuse further comment. "We have fulfilled our request. You get what you get, the data we gave you doesn't support our findings? No comment! " has proven to be the case. Lawsuits have been filed by victims of 9/11, particularly one by April Gallop, a survivor from the Pentagon. Pilots For 9/11 Truth have signed an affidavit in support of Ms Gallop along with providing evidence for the case. Now all that is needed is a fair and just Judge willing to look at the evidence before throwing out the case(14).

Almost Ten years has elapsed since the events of September 11, 2001. There has been no hard evidence linking the claims made by the 9/11 Commission to their conclusions. Even the 9/11 Commission admits they have been lied to and "Set up to fail"(13). Write your Congress, write your Senators, inform them the data being provided by government agencies through the Freedom Of Information Act does not support the 9/11 Commission findings, show them the overwhelming evidence that the data did not come from an American Airlines jet.

Founded in August 2006, Pilots For 9/11 Truth is a growing organization of aviation professionals from around the globe. The organization has analyzed Data provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) for the Pentagon Attack, the events in Shanksville, PA and the World Trade Center Attack. The data does not support the government story. The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment. Pilots For 9/11 Truth do not offer theory or point blame at this point in time. However, there is a growing mountain of conflicting information and data in which government agencies and officials refuse to acknowledge. Pilots For 9/11 Truth Core member list continues to grow.

(1) Flight Data Expert Confirmation: No Evidence Linking FDR Data to American 77 - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/Dennis-Cimino-AA77-FDR.html
(2) Ibid
(3) Notes On Parameters - http://www.warrenstutt.com/AAL77FDRDecoder...Parameters.html
(4) 9/11: PENTAGON AIRCRAFT HIJACK IMPOSSIBLE - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/american_77_h...impossible.html
(5) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(6) Expert Statements - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795633
(7) Pilots For Truth Forum - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795631
(Cool Aircraft Departure Gate Positional Data Conflicts With Government Story - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/aa77-gate-position.html
(9) In Flight Alignment - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pics/in-flight-align.jpg
(10) 757/767 Operating Manual Pre-Flight Checklist - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.p...&p=10795614
(11) Ibid
(12) Data provided by NTSB - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/p4t/FinalFlightComplete.zip
(13) 9/11 Commission Chair Lee Hamilton, "Set up to Fail" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LBARGBupM
(14) Pilots For 9/11 Truth Sign Affidavit In Lawsuit Brought By Pentagon Survivor - http://pilotsfor911truth.org/pentagon_lawsuit.html
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« Reply #592 on: March 05, 2011, 12:08:23 PM »

Where did Flight 11 actually end?

When we finally accept the obvious fact that, based on all the evidence AA Flight 77 was forced down and swapped with the "Silvery" Green Painted Drone Mystery Airplane (a military T-43 type Boeing of the 737 class or more like a newer, probably black ops private 737-500 with TERCOM pilot) we have to admit to ourselves that much of what we think we knew about the flight is likely corrupted, falsified, fabricated or otherwise incorrect. The FAA, NEADS, FBI and NTSB all appear to be in on it (more or less) so there's no point in worrying about complying with their lies too much. Due to this we have to piece together what we know and can regard as reliable with what we must assume is the only explanation that satisfies the largest body of facts that do not appear to be tainted. If Flight 77 was taken down by sabotage and deception then only a few possibilities exist that can satisfy all the requirements.

Thus let me predicate this examination of the likelihood that AA 77 could have easily been "switched" in the exact words that the FAA's 'Quality Assurance" folks were forced to use to pretend that it hadn't been during the 10-30 minutes it was mysteriously completely "lost" to ATC over West Virginia
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"This reconstruction is an approximation and is not intended to give the exact flight path."

Could Flight 77 have been grounded and switched during the western portion of its flight? Where could a secondary missile easily have originated from? Firstly, let us make a list of reasonable assumptions that agree with the basic evidence:

  • Because we know we had a Green Airplane that was and could not be any American Airlines aircraft crash into the Pentagon there is no reason to assume that either Hani Hanjour nor the AA Captain Chik Burlingame were in control of it

  • Since we know from firefighter and rescue workers at the scene that most of the air crew and at least one or two passenger bodies were clearly among the wreckage under E Ring collapse and near it among other wreckage, we must assume that at least 8 or 9, most likely dead already, passengers were aboard the flight to leave some bodies in the main body of wreckage to make it "look good". This would necessitate a quick kill and ground transfer of bodies between the two aircraft.

  • We must assume from the conflicting black box recovery stories, the green airplane wreckage and the confounding and clearly inconsistent with any AA 757 typical flight data released afterwards that all of it's contents are false or manufactured or from a completely different military version of a 737 class Boeing aircraft. In order to deal with the substitution question however it is unnecessary to consider the final approach controversies and/or he TERCOM typical final attack-drone flightpath characteristics or behaviors. Therefore we are only dealing with the "lost" portions of the flightpath

  • We have no reason to assume that the AA pilot (Burlingame) or crew were "in on" any conspiracy or that there wasn't some sort of a hijacking on board though this flight was the least likely to have been easily captured by "Arab Hijackers". In view of the need for the substitution it seems clear that we must assume armed Air Marshals or (even more likely) DIA Pentagon Black Ops commandos subdued both Hani Hanjour's pals, passengers and the crew and (by one means or another) subsequently forced AA Flight 77 down somewhere near it's last known waypoint in radio silence

  • Due to all this trouble it is reasonable to assume that a fallback group of Air Force escorts was also airborne nearby (or also present, as we shall see) to ensure nothing went awry with the scheme, and to ensure compliance with the master plan, though they may well have been "in the dark" about their true purpose. (easily compartmentalized)

  • Although later artsy FAA bureaucratic tap dancers unofficially purport to claim it was (only by means of much later so called artfully crafted "reconstructions") in some way only lost a few minutes (in clear high altitude view of all radar systems) and was "likely re-acquired" in some magical secret manner just 9 minutes later and yet not displayed to any Air Traffic Control radar system,  it never in fact reappeared on any ATC console anywhere as either an identified nor unidentified target for nearly a half an hour. They released  dodgy-worded techno-nerdy (with no documentation) self-contradictory "explanations" for what they try to claim was a 'glitch" but thus is sheer poppycock intended to hide it's low altitude loss. The official explanation claims that the radars simply erased it from all screens when it came back up because it had no transponder, which is nonsense, and that the radars were tracking it but just "keeping it secret" which is another bit of technical nonsense. Things usually only "go wrong" when they are wrong, radar systems, like TV cameras, make sure you see visible targets regardless of what they are or aren't, it does not independently arrive at decisions to hide them.

  • Since the Flight Data Recorder data is from an airplane that could not be an American Airlines jet nor from one of their 757's and it clearly has been falsified we need not adhere to the flight paths it suggests and can take the witnesses as being more honest and accurate

  • If anyone believes this Memorandum_AAL77_Flight_Path_Information.pdf I have at least, "approximately" 5 bridges in Mahahattan to sell you. All it says is that when the target disappeared from all radars at Point A that might have happened to be close enough to a beacon only at Higby WV that it may be likely that the target later moved into the range of a radar at Point B at Lynch WV during the period it was missing if one would have expected it to have done so, not that there was any actual tertiary mystery "recording" indicating it or what it had done. It makes no account for the velocities nor changes of acceleration not seen that might have made the supposition true or false. it is predicated upon the following disclaimer "This reconstruction is an approximation and is not intended to give the exact flight path." Hence it is merely assumption not a third 'hidden "recording" of any radar-collected data that was "lost" and then "found".

  •  In order to commandeer the plane and override any genuine hijacking a fake (or real compartmentalized) air marshal, FBI agent or other armed operative may have been put aboard. Subduing the occupants could easily be accomplished by sabotaging the halon cargo fire extinguishers with a toxic gas triggered by a fire bomb or remote control trip device once the flight had been forced down and landed. Similarly the plane's radios could also have been surreptitiously sabotaged or jammed during the takedown.  

  • It is also likely that any of the three Langley F16's could also have been used to force the plane down to a nearby, available and very 'quiet" and easily commandeered secluded airfield with a 5,000 ft runway. The three F8's were well within easy and effortless range of the southern return path throughout the entire period of the return and turn-around leg of the flight.

  • When transportation Secretary Norm Mineta witnesses the "Does the order still stand" conversations with the Vice President's military attache there is no reason to assume it was necessarily a "Stand Down" order that he was questioning! He could very well have (more likely have) been questioning a remaining and very puzzling belated "Shoot Down" order to a waiting F16! That order could have stationed the plane out over Andrews AFB to await the arrival and completion of the final turn of the drone and fire at it far too late to bring it down. It could have been a very puzzling and troubling order that was deliberately fashioned to likely cause the missile to follow the aircraft too late, and therefore certainly risk firing that missile, "after it", into any ground target or the Pentagon itself were it the target of the aircraft at that general location!

    If all three of these planes land at Andrews AFB less than four minutes later, they were all right there!   And there was also the Boeing E-4 Advanced Airborne Command Post (brought in from Omaha, Nebraska also present for the ceremonies) over Washington supervising all these maneuvers.

  • From all the available primary and secondary FAA radar information the flight of AA 77 ends at the north eastern Kentucky - Ohio border at a town called Franklin Furnace near to Huntington WV at which point it begins a southeast bound U turn heading back east. Not only does its transponder go out but at 8:57 AM it disappears from all primary and secondary radar contact with Indianapolis ATC. Like the Air Traffic Controllers properly did, we must also assume it went down into the radar 'grass" somewhere nearby.




8:46 AM   Three F16 jets out of Andrews AFB are supposedly flying an armed air-to-ground bombing joyride 'mission' on a range in North Carolina, 207 miles from DC. 26-31 minutes after alarm, NORAD or NEADS fail to contact them, instead, they "finish practice" and eventually return to Andrews! They were 19 mins from NYC, 10 mins from DC, but finally just apparently landed at Andrews around 9:40 AM!

They were not only in PERFECT interception range to force down Flight 77 at Beckley WV (exactly the same 207 nm distance) but also it is certain that they were armed with "air to ground" CALCM AUP penetrator (and likely air to air) missiles. Air to ground bombing exercises are extremely rare anywhere in eastern Continental US. Subsequently they land at Langley within 3 minutes of completion of the Pentagon Bombing Mission after the dummy TERCOM guided Blackwater 737 class Silvery painted fake AA Green Airplane makes the small 2 kiloton hole in E Ring. They are the most suspect source for the missile that was needed to hit the NOC IP and DIA Operation centers and punch the evidence-planting hole out back.


Here I have drawn the thin yellow 207 nm length line of the given range of the three airborne F16's on "ground target range exercises" all that morning that landed after the second Pentagon attack, and marked all 5 of the 6,000' to 7,000' runways in the region. I also marked 2 more nearby that are too short to land a 757 at, Big Sandy and Mercer.

This leaves in, order of relative positions, Walker Long-Tri State, Yeager, Beckley, and Greenbrier. Shenandoah Valley is too far east. Though there are many other 3,000' private fields in the area they cannot land a 757.

So lets examine these four airports:

  • HTS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_Airport  Tower: http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1102/00532AD.PDF

    Notes: Walker Long Field Tri-State Airport also known as Milton J. Ferguson Field, is a public airport located just south of Ceredo, West Virginia, three miles (5 km) south of the central business district (CBD) of Huntington, West Virginia. It serves the nearby cities of Huntington, Ashland, Kentucky, and Ironton, Ohio. The airport has two runways, one at 7,017 feet, the other at 3,007 feet. It has heavy use for general aviation, is also serviced by three commercial airlines.

    Matches:
    http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=98975 (Democratic Ripped Bush-Cheney sign "spurs national debate" campaign incident)
    http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/demrorcrat.htm (Democratic Ripped Bush-Cheney sign "spurs national debate" campaign incident)


  • CRW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeager_Airport  Tower: http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1102/00852AD.PDF

    Notes: Charleston, Very Busy 12 airlines  home to nine C-130 Hercules aircraft of the Air National Guard's 130th Airlift Wing (130 AW), an Air Mobility Command (AMC) unit of the West Virginia Air National Guard.

    Matches:  
    October 2002 - President George W. Bush is expected to arrive at Yeager Airport in Charleston on Thursday to campaign for Rep. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va. Secret Service officials visited Yeager Airport Friday afternoon to plan security.
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  • BKW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beckley_Raleigh_County_Memorial_Airport  NO TOWER- http://www.gcr1.com/5010web/REPORTS/BKW.pdf

    Notes: Beckley Raleigh County Memorial Airport  Beckley WV 2% military  ("United"-(Colgan)) Max. 27 flights/day (2010) Airport (capitalization) and service is heavily subsidized by the Essential Air Service (EAS) program. In 2006, the airport has the dubious honor of being the least busy airport in America.  No Control Tower operations, freight and small regional flights only. Remote rural location, 1 road.

    Matches:
    June 29, 2007 - An $83 million rider to a bill pushed by Rep. Nick Rahall reauthorizing the Essential Air Service program is meant to finance projects in America’s rural areas, and is viewed as critical by the manager of Raleigh County Memorial Airport. While the EAS provides only subsidy money to pay for services, the Beckley airport has benefited immensely in recent years from other federal funding for physical improvements, including an enhanced runway and restructuring that raised the weight-bearing capacity to handle larger airplanes
    Oct. 31, 2000. Actor Charlton Heston speaks in Beckley on behalf of Presidential candidate George W. Bush.
    City Information - Politics: Raleigh County supported George W. Bush in the 2004 presidential election. For more information, see our Beckley political report.
    a public memorial service for the 29 coal miners who perished April 5 in an underground explosion at the Upper Big Branch mine in Raleigh County. When he takes the podium this afternoon at the Beckley-Raleigh County Convention Center, President Barack Obama will join his predecessor, George W. Bush, as the only presidents to visit Beckley while occupying the White House. Bush came here in 2004 on a campaign swing. Obama visited Beckley as a candidate back in 2008.
    Bush comes to Beckley, WV
    President Bush in Beckley (16)
    To keep W.Va., Bush looks south: President to visit Beckley today (2004)
    At age 38, Johnston (Ohio RNC Chairman) was the youngest federal district judge in the country when President George W. Bush appointed him to serve the Southern District of West Virginia in April 2006. Prior to that, when Bush tapped him as U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of West Virginia in September 2001, he was the second-youngest U.S. Attorney in America. The first 40 years of his life have been quite a journey for the man who once thought the wild blue yonder and the U.S. Air Force were beckoning him to walk on air. “I was very involved in Civil Air Patrol. I had aspirations of going to the Air Force Academy and becoming an Air Force pilot.
    -many more hits.

  • LWB http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenbrier_Valley_Airport  Tower:http://naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/1102/05601AD.PDF

    Notes:  4% Military, (old WWII AF) 2 major airlines (Continental/Delta) Rather busy, requires closing 2 major highways. Another Essential Air Service (EAS) program dependent field. Tower and radar.

    Matches:
    President speaks to GOP members at The Greenbrier
    WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS — Speaking to GOP House of Representative members Friday at The Greenbrier, President Bush lauded his new economic stimulus plan that’s designed to reinvigorate the nation’s sagging economy in order to “reduce the risk of an economic downturn.”

    The president arrived at Greenbrier Valley Airport in Lewisburg on Air Force One about noon amid a cavalcade of national, state, county and local police and security. One airport official said security appeared to be heavier than during the president’s four previous visits to The Greenbrier. Secret Service officials would not comment on any security measure involved in the president’s visits. As usual, I-64 and U.S. 219 were closed to traffic for Bush’s 20-plus car motorcade to travel to the White Sulphur Springs resort. Although public access to the airport was denied when the president landed, that restriction was lifted for his 2:30 p.m. departure.
    More hits, primarily RNC conventions as above


And finally:

Shortly after 9:00, Indianapolis Center started notifying other agencies that American 77 was missing and had possibly crashed … At 9:09, they reported the loss of contact to the FAA regional center, which passed this information to FAA headquarters at 9:24 … Radar reconstructions performed after 9/11 reveal that FAA radar equipment tracked the flight from the moment its transponder was turned off at 8:56 a.m. But for eight minutes and thirteen seconds, between 8:56 a.m. and 9:05 a.m., this primary radar information on American 77 was not displayed to controllers at Indianapolis Center. The reasons are technical, arising from the way the software processed radar information, as well as from poor primary radar coverage where American 77 was flying.

In sum, Indianapolis Center never saw Flight 77 turn around… American 77 traveled undetected for 36 minutes on a course heading due east for Washington, DC.

Beckley Airport is the perfect scene of these crimes.


 
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« Reply #593 on: March 05, 2011, 01:08:53 PM »

One more point, lets just review our timelines here:


8:20 AM   AA Flight 77 departs Dulles for LA (10 min. delay)   Wash Post | Patriot Resource

8:55 AM   AA Flight 77 transponder is shut off, it evidently turns back eastward near Kentucky-Ohio border, 35 minutes elapsed.   Wash Post
9:10 AM   AA Flight 77 identified on WV FAA radar heading east. 50 minutes elapsed   Wash Post | Wrongwaygoback
9:36 AM   AA Flight 77 headed downtown at top speed (500+ mph), crosses the beltway and then suddenly, upon spotting the C-130, executes a sharp 7000 ft descending turn ditching towards the Pentagon - Around '9:35' in USAToday } 1h 22 minutes elapsed   CBS | USAToday

So, it took it only 35 minutes (including takeoff) to reach the farthest noted far western point at a normal, stately pace, yet it takes (supposedly the same now hijacked, still airborne airplane) another whole 47 minutes, "out in Virginia, and approaching at a high rate of speed" to get back?
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« Reply #594 on: March 06, 2011, 07:36:25 PM »

Just a bit more insight into curiosities of this remote and isolated largely unsupervised BKW airport itself and the timeframe of it's wind down and closure for federally funded "airport repaving" at Raleigh County Memorial Beckley Airport (BKW) within the 2001 timeframe:

First, in late 2000, we have the curious case of an unfortunate cargo pilot who ran his car off the runway one night on the way home and was missing for two whole weeks after last landing and leaving his cargo flight one night at this backwoods airport. His car and body were discovered only by accident by cops in a helicopter looking for marijuana:
MISSING BEACH PILOT FOUND DEAD IN CAR OFF W.VA. AIRPORT RUNWAY.

Another article from June 28th 2001, announces the "tentative award of a one-bid contract to repave the runway" to a local contractor and tenant of the airport which must have occurred thereafter in the same timeframe of just after 9/11 (2-3 more months to officially finalize and fund the deal and before cover up work actually began would certainly not out of the ordinary). This casts further light on the other "Beckley airport has benefited immensely in recent years from other federal funding for physical improvements, including an enhanced runway and restructuring that raised the weight-bearing capacity to handle larger airplanes" reference in the 2007 article.

June 28 2001 Beckley (AP) -- West Virginia Paving Inc. has been awarded a nearly $3 million tentative contract to replace an aging runway at Raleigh County Memorial Airport. The Raleigh County Airport Authority made the decision Wednesday. West Virginia Paving, an airport tenant, was the lone bidder for the job of improving the 6,750-foot runway which is about 25 years old. "We have to go through the formality of getting a signed contract, but as far as we are concerned, it has been awarded" Airport Manager Tom Cochran said.

Apparently these Federal Earmarks were appropriated in June for this rather unusual fall repaving deal..
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« Reply #595 on: March 07, 2011, 08:44:20 AM »

Not only is this little 17,000 pop. podunk town of Beckley W Va the recipient of curiously much federal RNC (and DNC) largess for the support and maintenance of the least used airport in America, a remarked upon unusually high priority of Bush/Cheney with only 5 electoral votes in 2000 and was it the recipient of an unusual first-ever presidential visit in the 2004 election, it was also selected to host the Republican Convention for West Virginia in 2004, and in yet another curious turn of administration events, it's airport was also the site of a first-ever sitting Vice Presidential inspection and visit (for a hundred chosen local spectators in Marine 1) in 2004:

Cheney promotes coal at Beckley stop
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BEAVER - Flanked by a pair of shiny triple-axle coal trucks, Vice President Dick Cheney reminded supporters of the $447 million the Bush administration has budgeted this year for "clean coal technology."

"We will keep using West Virginia coal," Cheney said Monday during a half-hour stop at a hanger near the Raleigh County Memorial Airport. "Coal is essential to our energy independence and our economic future."

The pledge - almost a mantra during Bush-Cheney campaign visits to the nation's No. 2 coal producer - was met by the crowd of several hundred with cheers of "Friends of Coal," an industry group and a rally sponsor.

But Cheney earned his loudest and longest …


In 2008, however a much redder-faced Darth Cheney was also noted to have later faced a firestorm of criticism over this flippant appraisal and disparaging assessment of (most likely the utility of) Raleigh County's local "Mayberry-like" citizenry:

Cheney tells West Virginia joke
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« Reply #596 on: March 09, 2011, 03:48:12 PM »

Just a minor update on the fake silvery painted Green Airplane's chosen and no doubt appropriate fake AA model type decal sizes and application. This is a "C" from the phony silvery-painted Green military aircraft:



                      

These are genuine, generic, model-specific AA 737 and AA 757 graphic layouts. On all AA 757s the logo is (must be) uniquely squeezed forward and sitting directly upon the blue window line. There is a large silvery-painted band below this "C" decal. Camel riders with box cutters switched airplanes like this?
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« Reply #597 on: March 10, 2011, 10:26:10 PM »

Best picture yet of the phony remains of the phony American Airlines Flight 77, silvery-coated Green 737 Military TERCOM-piloted drone airplane that struck the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 after it's short flight from Beckley Airport in West Virginia!


WOW - was this part ever peeling the phony "polished aluminum" coating!

Note to al CIAduh 'terrorists": always clean and sand thoroughly before you paint!

(letting it dry a bit longer may also help)


A complete rundown of the entire new Pentagon research I've done is now condensed here:
   
Re: Important analysis concerning Jesse's Pentagon episode and the no plane theory
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=195842.msg1212158#msg1212158
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« Reply #598 on: March 13, 2011, 01:18:38 AM »

NBC4 Pentagon Plane Witness Isabel James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXna7tIb4ZQ

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« Reply #599 on: March 13, 2011, 01:50:55 AM »

NBC4 Pentagon Plane Witness Isabel James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXna7tIb4ZQ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcxO7dmhHLM&feature=related
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