What actually hit the Pentagon: an old stone apparently left unturned

[agentbluescreen]

Bingo rare photos of the  737 400 variant of the T43 dubbed a KC-135R

It has the larger "757 size engine pods" which aren't and uses the big bypass type CFM56 that has a rotor and mirror band-ring on it like that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56



From below they look just like 757s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transaero_b737-400_planform_ei-cxk_arp.jpg

[citizenx]

I don't think most witnesses would recognize the difference between a 757, a 737, and the T43 variant Boeing, that is for sure.  Could well be IMO.

Given a superficial paint job, nobody would notice the difference -- flying by at 500 or 600 m.p.h.

[iks83]

Wait... so now a plane DID hit the pentagon? But now we argue about the colours of the plane?

[citizenx]

Iks, just go back to your NATO base and report to your superiors that the cat is out of the bag.

If you are really a German, I'll eat my hat with some shnitzel and a Liebfraumilch.

[agentbluescreen]

This is the common version of the FEMA Photographer's (Jocelyn Agostino) pic used to point out the rotor, but it has been deliberately blue-biased which you can tell from the fluorescent blue of the uniform, the blue caste on everything and the aluminum ladder and white drywall in the sandstone lined windows.  Do a simple white balance color correction and look what pops out!

[agentbluescreen]

Wait... so now a plane DID hit the pentagon? But now we argue about the colours of the plane?

Nobody is arguing about anything, we're exposing how these mad butchers entered the back of the crime scene and flung body-steak parts of their victims they'd recovered from the airfield where they landed and bombed the original Flight 77  through the convenient back-hole punch out hole (with no fuel) they'd made in the wall of the DIA office with the second missile attack 7 seconds later.

CAUTION ADVISED, GRAPHIC, DISGUSTING
http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200035.html

They used a specially equipped (much smaller) unmanned drone fake-AA KC 135R to carry the crew and a few real bodies in the front first, which was a green (or likely old-grey or old-green-camo) airplane painted silver that took off with the uploaded FDR data-update (minus the landing out-west) info in it to resume the dummy "Flight 77" flight data recording and hit the front.

American Airlines planes are all unpainted from the factory with no outside (even) primer on them - ever! The Cockpit cowl split right off like a banana peel on the second floor and quickly (3-4 seconds) ended up out on the road which had to be brought back in under a blue tarp because it was scraped and showing too much green.

This plane was green and much smaller with just a few bodies on it. That's how it could hit the light poles!

There was no pilot on it. And no plane made that punch-hole in the back DIA wall or blew up the slab 18" and destroyed all those extra columns later by the elevators at H-J area either.

[iks83]

Iks, just go back to your NATO base and report to your superiors that the cat is out of the bag.

If you are really a German, I'll eat my hat with some shnitzel and a Liebfraumilch.

Na dann guten Appetit!

Although I really am German I have never heard of Liebfraumilch.

@agentBS
Seriously? Now they used multiple planes and missiles? It gets crazier every day with you.

[citizenx]

Na dann guten Appetit!

Although I really am German I have never heard of Liebfraumilch.

@agentBS
Seriously? Now they used multiple planes and missiles? It gets crazier every day with you.

Its just one of those fruity German varietals sold in the United States.  Ok, you passed the test.

You're German, and you're probably not NATO.

You're just sarcastic and wrong.

[jesussdad]

Bingo rare photos of the  737 400 variant of the T43 dubbed a KC-135R

It has the larger "757 size engine pods" which aren't and uses the big bypass type CFM56 that has a rotor and mirror band-ring on it like that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFM_International_CFM56



From below they look just like 757s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transaero_b737-400_planform_ei-cxk_arp.jpg

so now a 4 engine aircraft hit which looks nothing like the underside pic you linked?
im confused agent bs

[agentbluescreen]

Na dann guten Appetit!

Although I really am German I have never heard of Liebfraumilch.

@agentBS
Seriously? Now they used multiple planes and missiles? It gets crazier every day with you.

No dummy, they landed Flight 77 off-radar out west,  gassed the passengers and crew, stole the flight data recorder and took a couple of the bodies out to put into their Terrain Contour Matching, or TERCOM guided T-43 AA dummy painted airplane. It then took off resumed recording and showed up on radars again as the dummy-flight 77 plane. It's a rather smaller and lighter craft that would not do enough damage so they had a GLCM AUP Penetrator follow it in 7 seconds later.  (*Could have been launched from the back of any Walmart)

The Judicial Watch videos prove there were two attacks as do (conflicting and specific, direct) witness statements.

So maybe you could say planes since they also used this one to supervise the crime:


 
They needed to control the drone and missile launch from that one.

[agentbluescreen]

so now a 4 engine aircraft hit which looks nothing like the underside pic you linked?
im confused agent bs

nah, the T-43 (737 Pratt-Whitney JT8) is the best candidate but it could be a 737 300 which is much like these or just a T-43A with the newer 400 engines like those on the KC-135 (eg CFM56 engines)

Whatever it was it wasn't that AA 757 because it needed to have TERCOM to have stupidly done itself on those lamp poles on the far too difficult preplanned way into the Pentagon's lowest rent back-"basement" offices. I mean any idiot could see the good offices are on the lake view side and no human would risk losing the plane on light poles to follow that tortuously high-G  and then low altitude ground-contoured flight path with a passenger jet.

And it was green underneath painted-silver.

[agentbluescreen]

You paint a painted one of these silver and put some decals and it looks just like an AA 757

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transaero_b737-400_planform_ei-cxk_arp.jpg

but this one wasn't just "green primer" green underneath, it looks more Army camouflage green underneath.

A 737 2-3-400 type is just a bit smaller

[agentbluescreen]

2 out of 10 ace pilots may be able to pull off that 6g 320 degree turn in a "simulator" sitting on the ground after some practice, but not under any real 6g dynamic flight conditions. Even at 5g you'd be stuck to the wall weighing a thousand pounds.

[agentbluescreen]

Its just one of those fruity German varietals sold in the United States.  Ok, you passed the test.

You're German, and you're probably not NATO.

You're just sarcastic and wrong.

LOL you never hear the sarcasm in text.

Lord knows we've all been....  I didn't even notice that was the totally wrong(KC) military 737 variant, I was just looking at the head-on engine/body ground clearance of the "hamster-pouch" CFM56 .

[agentbluescreen]

This is the common version of the FEMA Photographer's (Jocelyn Agostino) pic used to point out the rotor, but it has been deliberately blue-biased which you can tell from the fluorescent blue of the uniform, the blue caste on everything and the aluminum ladder and white drywall in the sandstone lined windows.  Do a simple white balance color correction and look what pops out!

Just repeated that white balance correction again seems that just the red was notched down below what is correct, her other photos taken the same scene have no such color tinkering on them.

Another weird thing here is that this engine rotor next to the peeling silvery painted green airplane part, supposedly only out in the yard for a dry day that certainly doesn't look muddy either, has a rusted on one edge-only inner blade mounting ring. Anybody have any ideas how a titanium rotor rusts like that? This could easily also be from a CFM56 engine too. notice the bright mirror-chrome band reflecting the lot, yard and sky as well. I used that as a color balance reference as well as the white balance temp.

It was that mirror trim-ring that's on back of 737's CFM56 engines.

[attietewd]

Agent, I think it's amazing that you noticed the pic color balance had been tampered with.  To see the original and the corrected pic by each other for comparison it is so obvious.  I would have never noticed.  Great work!  Good eye!

[jesussdad]

could you post the pics side by side for comparison plz

[agentbluescreen]

could you post the pics side by side for comparison plz

the second quote they are side by side, but you need a hi res wide screen to flow-out the two because of the wide left sidebars here you need maybe 1152 or 1200 - 1920 wide resolution as they are 589 some px wide each (it's the same picture but notice the dirty red flag)

Anybody notice that green camouflage cone there too it's like olive/ dkgrn/ black/ litegrn/ dkgrn?

This is why we're seeing so many greens under the silver paint

[jesussdad]

i can see the left pic but not the right. my crappy browser no doubt.

[agentbluescreen]

Yet more wreckage of the military green, flaking, scraped freshly silver repainted fake AA drone-TERCON guided 737-500 class airplane that crashed into the Pentagon before the missile did.



This photo is from Rense - either it isn't airplane or the entire phony aluminum coating has baked and popped off of it. Most others showed the same camo green but through scraped strips like "tiger stripes" of silver scraped-off. This is the first outdoor piece I've seen tiger-striped, in the background.



The darker piece must be a wing panel joint which was pulled apart off the fuselage, lots of stress and stretching is apparent so likely the silvery paint/coating wasn't elastic enough and just flaked off. The beam-bent piece shows the same green rivets and scratched off silvery-stuff as most others that endured any stress or abrasion but a huge scrape on the bottom edge. These are not reflections it's obvious from the angles..

[agentbluescreen]

Once again be reminded that only AA airplanes alone may only have light yellowy-green primer on the inside and are all bare polished mirror aluminum on all outside parts but the logos and stripes (some plastic/composite trims only may be painted silver to match). It is a custom feature and trademark of theirs, required of all suppliers. (though they did get some grey Airbus planes once (not Boeings) that they eventually had to strip.)

All regular Boeings sold to everyone else come with standard a brighter green base-primer coat outside and then get painted over that.

The decoy unmanned early-corpse-delivery aircraft that struck the Pentagon before the missile did was not an American Airlines jet. Nothing about it's body save the name decals even remotely resembles or matches any part of any AA aircraft

[agentbluescreen]

These are the other photos of the green airplane with the silver-green tiger stripe appearance taken indoors.




They are unretouched partial clippings of the larger FEMA photos 4422, 4424 and 4436 the silvery paint layer seems more tan, perhaps due to high temperature discoloration. You can see raw aluminum on the top edge of the first two (same large wing-pharing looking item, different shots)

[agentbluescreen]

This is what normal Boeing aircraft look like heading out from Renton for assembly (standard primer)



This is what American Airlines ones look like (no external primer - to be polished later)



That's the color of their light yellowy-green indoor primer at the wing mounts.

[agentbluescreen]

Another update to the standard Boeing candy-green commercial airliner primer thing, is that they pre-paint mil spec planes in client color specified integral primer-basecoat (special government specified} certified high temp paint instead of using the commercial-grade candy green primer on them.

Only the gubmint always gets special-order paint jobs (that don't burn off) from them, except lucky AA who get to "have it their way" with no paint-job (which also won't burn off).

Example:
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q2/090505b_pr.html

[agentbluescreen]

So how come nobody wants to argue about the green airplane?

[Jackson Holly]

So how come nobody wants to argue about the green airplane?

Just trying to take it all in.

Did the gubment destroy all the evidence? None of
those green primered pieces remain? It would be a
simple matter to prove/disprove the theory if we had
a few bits to analyze. It is really hard to make sense
of these twisted, burned, mangled and badly photographed
plane part images.

[DAVIDE MTL]

So how come nobody wants to argue about the green airplane?

is there a reason you invest so much of your time on the pentagon? there are certain details about 9/11 we'll never know, for example what did they do to the passengers? I say we don't know and we don't have to know
what hit the pentagon? I say it's not irrefutable and that we don't have to know either way, the reason is simple...we have the smoking gun.... wtc 7

[Kilika]

One way that maybe your not considering is that this is a crime scene, though the government treats it as a type of act of war, thus they call it the "war on terror". What hit is very important, and is the weak spot to their claims at the Pentagon, just building 7 is in New York. Two different crime scenes. Until the case is built, you can't right out of the box connect the events, if your being objective based on facts, which part of the facts of the case is the physical evidence.

And evidence is where a big red flag exists with the Pentagon investigation. A red flag because the evidence is being withheld from the public. So all can be done is examine what is given till the government presents it's evidence they claim to have gathered.

What is it that is said? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence?

So far, all the government has really done is make claims, in effect press charges on alledged criminals, but haven't proceeded with a case, and that's because they are operating under the guise of the rules of war, not civilian criminal law, thus the tribunals versus US court cases.

If criminal cases were persued in civilian criminal courts, the US Attorney would be in deep trouble, and the government would be required to reveal certain things I suspect they really don't want to reveal as it would incriminate them for their own crimes.

Stand back and consider that no person to my knowledge been reprimanded, fired, or fined over the criminal acts of 9/11. Nobody lost their jobs. But what happened that day? According to their own claims, the govenment failed that day to protect the United States. They don't want to go to court over that either!

[mr anderson]

Something happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npPa6btGofc

[citizenx]

Something happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npPa6btGofc

That is defeatism.

[mr anderson]

That is defeatism.

Your missing the context of the video...

The emphasis was on this section of the quote;

"that's your objective; to make it so convoluted that anyone can have a theory, but no one's got the facts."

It's realism.

[citizenx]

So, no point in trying to put all the pieces together?

I can't see where else you are goin with all of this.

That is exactly how they wanted us to feel, think, and act etc.

[mr anderson]

So, no point in trying to put all the pieces together?

I can't see where else you are goin with all of this.

That is exactly how they wanted us to feel, think, and act etc.

All the pieces, where are all those pieces? There's nothing wrong with it at all...

That's the thing - Not everything has been released for a balanced investigation to take place. We're so desperate to find out what happened at the Pentagon that we are looking for anything to link to our theories.

Colours, rivets, shapes... That's not evidence. It's speculative..

The video was about confirmation that the Pentagon, I feel, is our Achilles heel that is awash with multiple theories. It's all on purpose..!

You know how they want us to feel, think and act? - Directionless, scattered, desperate...

Investigate sure, let's see some reports, documentaries on these theories of 'Two plane attacks, missiles, planted debris' and whatnot. I can show you multiple witness testimonies of a plane hitting the Pentagon..........   Plane, singular.

I'm on your side, I just choose to partake in cautious gruelling critical analyse that annoys people that want to rush into everything and circle pictures, show comparisons and come to a conclusion that fits their theory whilst totally ignoring the glaring empirical evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon. ie. Witnesses.

To each to their own though..  

[citizenx]

All the pieces, where are all those pieces?the physical p

Obviously, I was speaking figuratively here as we all know that the physical pieces were all largely disappeared.  I mean the major facts of the case might eventually be teased out of the evidence available.

 There's nothing wrong with it at all...

Good, I'm glad we are in agreement on that.

That's the thing - Not everything has been released for a balanced investigation to take place. We're so desperate to find out what happened at the Pentagon that we are looking for anything to link to our theories.

Well, IMO we do have to analyze what little evidence we have at our disposal exhaustively, to do what we can

Colours, rivets, shapes... That's not evidence. It's speculative..

That's agentbluescreen's theory at this point, not mine, so I wil let him defend it, though I do no tthink it is entirely without merit.

The video was about confirmation that the Pentagon, I feel, is our Achilles heel that is awash with multiple theories. It's all on purpose..!

Actually, I quite agree that the false-flag was well-planned from the point-of-view of thwarting fuure investigators.  You've got to give the devil his due.  It is still incumbent on the truth community to work together to come up with the most complete and workable theory we can.

You know how they want us to feel, think and act? - Directionless, scattered, desperate...

In agreement with the point you were trying to make with the video clip, I quite agree with this as well.  All the more reason to try to keep our disagreements civil and constructive.

Investigate sure, let's see some reports, documentaries on these theories of 'Two plane attacks, missiles, planted debris' and whatnot. I can show you multiple witness testimonies of a plane hitting the Pentagon..........   Plane, singular.

At this point I am quite convinced there was a plane, one plane FOLLOWED UP WITH A MISSILE STRIKE.  So, actually no disagreement with you here.

I'm on your side

And I on yours I believe.

, I just choose to partake in cautious gruelling critical analyse that annoys people that want to rush into everything and circle pictures, show comparisons and come to a conclusion that fits their theory whilst totally ignoring the glaring empirical evidence that a plane hit the Pentagon. ie. Witnesses.

Again no disagreement from me now, just over what sort of plane it was necessarily and whether something might have been sent in after it.

To each to their own though..  

Hopefully, in the end, birds (no pun intended?) of a feather WILL flock together.

[DAVIDE MTL]

One way that maybe your not considering is that this is a crime scene, though the government treats it as a type of act of war, thus they call it the "war on terror". What hit is very important, and is the weak spot to their claims at the Pentagon, just building 7 is in New York. Two different crime scenes. Until the case is built, you can't right out of the box connect the events, if your being objective based on facts, which part of the facts of the case is the physical evidence.

not sure what you're saying here , you don't want to connect the events of the pentagon to what happened in New York?? what I'm saying is that the pentagon is not the truth movement's strongest case to explain how 9/11 was an inside job, what hit the pentagon is in dispute, why go around in circles to prove one theory over the other when wtc7 should be all the proof we need to prove the case that 9/11 was an inside job

[agentbluescreen]

is there a reason you invest so much of your time on the pentagon?
//--//
the reason is simple...we have the smoking gun.... wtc 7

I'm getting around to it. With the WTC7 you have squat! "it needed to be demolished to protect the bathtub foundations lest it fall over haphazardly and flood Manhattan's entire subway system killing many thousands more..." -end of story. With WTC 1 and 2 you have ferrite globules, evidence of thermate and one HiFi soundtrack of bombs - same lame official excuse applies. John Kerry already pointed out this fallback argument.

Being a bunch of lazy, slow, useless Reagan deregulated scab non-union slow bitches at the radar screen is also not a crime.

With the Cheney stand-down order and the DIA/NIC NOC ATTACKS we have multiple pictures of a green airplane that could not possibly be an American Airlines aircraft, inexplicable punch out hole with no fuel/fire and ridiculously too many bodies thus (without fuel) impossible to be there - and video, witness and subjective positive evidence of a secondary missile explosion and it's aftermath ( a now-explicably-formed hole with no fire or fuel through which remains brought from elsewhere were later planted).

At the Pentagon we can prove charges that nefarious crimes were committed totally at odds with and contrary to the official story with the photos, evidence and witness testimonies already at hand. There can be no "big secret taking care of you" excuses.

[DAVIDE MTL]

I'm getting around to it. With the WTC7 you have squat! "it needed to be demolished to protect the bathtub foundations lest it fall over haphazardly and flood Manhattan's entire subway system killing many thousands more..." -end of story[/

end of story? really? I beg to differ... Larry Silverstein, Barry Jennings, the premature  BBC report...just for starters

[agentbluescreen]

and it also proves conclusively to all troops who shall defend us against the Bush Mafia, that their superiors are neither to be obeyed nor trusted.

[agentbluescreen]

end of story? really? I beg to differ... Larry Silverstein, Barry Jennings, the premature  BBC report...just for starters

Barry Jennings is dead. Everyone knew the WTC 7 was still burning and there were no fireman left, it was simply a matter of time...

At the Pentagon we have a green plane, we have picees of it, we have witnesses seeing the flaking phony paint off of it falling like confetti, we have a picture of the green canopy flying out onto the road, we have it coming back under the blue tent, we have a witness who saw another plane follow the first in, we have video of a plane and a missile and two explosions 9 seconds apart, we have victims where they don't belong and photos of damage that do not add up to a single incident, we have planting of corpse-steaks, we have evidence of a phony silvery paint on all the green airplane fragments, we have motive, we have an unacceptably hard to reach and illogical office target not facing the Yacht Club Washington Monument, we have evidence no human but a TERCOM-guidance robo-pilot could have operated the fake aircraft and hit lamp poles on it's impossible 6g turn and ground hugging approach because it was not made to fly a wide airplane (no human could nor would risk the mission in such way).

What more do you want? This is the case for a new investigation.

[DAVIDE MTL]

Barry Jennings is dead. Everyone knew the WTC 7 was still burning and there were no fireman left, it was simply a matter of time...

yes he's dead, so what does that mean, his testimony is less relevant?  it was simply a matter of time?? what are u getting at?