Who the hell posted this Richard Gage CIT nonsense here again? The only place it belongs is in the CIT thread, we are way past that nonsense here.
This post is a complete summary and update of all we now know that has been undisclosed about the Two Pentagon Attacks.
There is no question that both a military airplane and a missile hit the Pentagon Resource Services Washington National Guard offices and killed the Navy's NOC staff and construction workers. Since American Airlines does not paint silver paint over green airplanes there is no reason to believe that this aircraft was Flight 77.
Download the originals and look yourself. Both of the videos taken together certainly and clearly show both (2) separate aircraft striking the Pentagon, and two bright explosions, 9 seconds apart:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-1.mpg (choose "save as")
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/flight77-2.mpg (choose "save as")This is the photo of the missile at 1:36 on the Ticket Dispenser camera video number 1:
Although I exposed all this two pages ago, I have removed erroneous speculations from that earlier post here in this corrected re-post quote. It proves that there were two attacks caught on camera, and establishes that both a plane and a missile were launched at the building.
So knowing all that we now know about the depth of field, field dimensions, scanning rate and air velocity calculations and the two exclusionary masks of each camera, their most accurate locations within the field and assuming we both do assume a 155 foot or a 20 foot (or other) object to be hidden by editing within known frame rates let's go back to the Italian arcoiris.tv investigation video and see if/how they determined which frames were "missing" and or counted the missing frames:
First before making this I also went back to the originals on youtube for a closer look
1of2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L75Gga92WO82of2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAaP4Z3zls8aside from resolution there are no differences between the originals and the arcoiris.tv frame samples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkQDXlSdMYSecond, lets discuss standard old analog (not modern digital) NTSC surveillance frame rate technology. The NTSC STANDARD is 30fps so both the camera would capture and any attached monitor would display frames each 1/30th of a second. Scientific fact establishes that this would (conservatively) capture 14-18 frames of a 450' distant horizontal object moving on that axis across a 450' half-width visual aperture at 500+ mph. Any regular VCR WOULD ALSO record that frame rate, but a surveillance recorder, in order to hold more data on the tape would use both the slowest possible tape speed, the longest tapes AND perhaps also
an analog divider TO SAVE FEWER FRAMES. There are limited inline-analog electronic processing choices in this regard. They would (and many did) have to choose either a somewhat jerky divide by 2 = 15fps or a very lousy double-divided, divide by 4 = 7.5fps . At 7.5fps you lose things at 50-some mph which is slower than any pitchers arm so we can rule that out, no security officer would find any rate lower than this acceptable for investigative/evidentiary purposes, so these recordings are certainly doctored.
The "video" frames in this nearly useless "Edison Girly Slide Show" Judicial Watch release are 1 frame per second, so this is closest to a
divide by 32 or 0.9375 fps rate augmented by a "replaced" /16 or 1.875 fps missing "delayed" frame-error "fill frame". This results in one missing frame being half-off-time once in every 30 seconds=frames. The result of digital "time-window" downsampling system would be the same, so somewhere we should note a frame half out of sequential time/distances, with it's alternately, accurately timed compliment if the two cameras are not timebase H-locked (studio-mixer synched together -no way) and it is identifiable.
The other obvious fact is that one camera caught two distinct frames of smoke filled flightpath, which means that the overall size of the data object(s) were still far, far longer and more persistent than even any lousy, uselessly slow 1 second interval could hide!
The corollary to that simple fact
establishes that since one cannot choose exactly WHICH 1/64ths of a minute (.9ths second) that the camera will capture and show one STILL has to delete frames showing any unwanted object in front of that smoke,(and the smoke with them)
OR OTHER UNWANTED EVIDENCE.
The other unfortunate corollary to my earlier somewhat lame "visible masks" hypothesis is that at this slow of a frame rate you could hide a 500 foot long aircraft moving at 250 mph in a 450' half-aperture. But, strangely, that is not what these criminals did -
they wanted it to "show something", and this turns out to have been their most incriminating mistake!So let's draw out a frame table spreadsheet to see if we can get a better analysis of the missing or added images in these two (likely) doctored videos, (using the arcoiris.tv document as the reference from timestamp 3:55 to timestamp 4:25), I'll also include the frames that the later arcoiris team (oddly) designated as "missing" (in both?) to try to resolve the loss of time synchronization and debunk their theory, alleging that
both videos were chopped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhkQDXlSdMY
For data identification I'm using a "smoke Rorshark test" method, describing the appearance of the smoke cloud to identify each photographic-slide frame-sample time interval.| SEC | Ticketcam (A) | Boothcam (B) | Sync A:B | Notes A | Notes B | Conclusion | arcoiris: |
| 00 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | 2 frames missing | 2 frames ahead | car wrong pos | A=Y : B=Y |
| 01 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 02 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 03 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 04 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 05 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 06 | delayed | advanced | -2 : 0 | " | " | car wrong 2 frames | A=Y : B=Y |
| 07 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | possible dupes-nondescript | A=Y : B=Y |
| 08 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 09 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 10 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 11 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 12 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 13 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 14 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 15 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 16 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | " | A=Y : B=Y |
| 17 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | probable added generic frames in A | A=Y : B=Y |
| 18 | delayed ? | advanced ? | -2 : 0 ? | generic | generic | 21A should be HERE! (error sample) | A=Y : B=Y |
| 19 | delayed ? | curly smoke/fin 180' | -2 : 0 ? | generic | data | B is 200' advanced | A=Y : B=Y |
| 20 | delayed ? | FLASHcone/smoke | -2 : 0 ? | generic | data | B is 450' advanced | A=Y : B-XX |
| 21 | nose 80' | firecone | -2 : 0 | 1/2 data | data | probable fin = deleted frame in A | A=Y : B-XX |
| 22 | FLASHcone/smoke | blacklick | -2 : 0 | data | data | unsynched | A=X : B=Y |
| 23 | firecone | blackbeard | -2 : 0 | data | data | unsynched | A=X : B=Y |
| 24 | blacklick | blacknosebeard | -2 : 0 | data | data | unsynched | A=Y : B=Y |
| 25 | blackbeard | blackmount | -2 : 0 | data | data | unsynched | A=Y : B=Y |
| 26 | blacknosebeard | blackhorn | -1 : 0 | data | odd original frame | blackhorn = deleted frame in A | A=Y : B=Y |
| 27 | blackmount | spikebeard | -1 : 0 | | data | unsynched | A=Y : B=Y |
| 28 | spikebeard | FLASH | 0 : 0 | missing blackhorn next: | odd original frame | FLASH = deleted frame in A | A=Y : B=Y |
| 29 | same | same | 0 : 0 | data | data | all synched thereafter | A=Y : B=Y |
The only conclusions we can draw from this comparison are:Arcoiris.tv were correct about an error but failed to note that the cop car is unsynched by two frames, perhaps assuming that the camera was hidden, behind, outside the ticket box. Nobody would put a camera outside a convenient steel box, they are always in the box. It's far more usual to contain it behind a window in the ticket box which gives us an obvious two frame starting error in the Ticket Dispenser camera's video at -29 seconds.
Arcoiris then simply deleted two frames from each video later in some sort of sloppy and incorrect patch-up, ignoring the "
blackhorn" and
second "FLASH" frame errors!
Our two frame error means the Ticket-cam frameset is missing two frames and the Booth-cam frameset has two extra frames. There's no obvious nor reasonable, verifiable reason to
assume that they are both missing two frames as arcoiris did. This kludge does not explain the cop-car error, nor line-up (synch) the 5 remaining frames.
There may well be more frames missing but we are definitely short 2 frames of distinctive smoke patterns! (up to the point where the two fire-videos match thereafter)
The elusive (but expected somewhere) 1 error in 30 frames caused by 1/32 division (1/16th delay-replacement half-frame) appears to occur at Booth-cam frame 21 which has no equivalent in the other frameset sequence. This shows us the (smoke?) "cone" at field edge. It is shine, cockpit window and horizontal-band colorless. Some have noted a "dark blue" object in front of it, from higher res PBPR .pdf stills. Since this is the first "data frame" in the Ticket-cam frameset it's compliment could easily have been replaced by a generic frame in the Booth-cam set or simply have been an opportune "error frame" (one in 30 downconversion) half-delay frame. (more likely). It can't be an extra frame that would explain the missing second bright
FLASH explosion frame since we have a tight group of perfectly synched
purple frames that all belong together.
In addition we have a third obviously missing but easily replaced frame at the beginning of the data sequence on A missing exactly where we would expect it to be. (the curlysmoke/fin 180') Even more frames of the beginning events in both videos could easily also be missing since all before them are
generic.After all of this painstaking analysis it is astounding to clearly show that this leaves us with two more clearly missing yet totally unexpected frames in
very, very strange places. these frames could only have been deleted
to disguise or hide the nature of the two separate explosions!
This was where the criminal Hugh Shelton's assured records-destruction "insurance" missile came from:
That's the sloped lawn, that's the guardrail, that's the "blue missile launcher', those are the only trees, those are the only ambulances, those are the remaining lamp-poles, and those are the guys in white shirtsleeves, standing around the area near where they had first, already, quickly dragged that suspicious "blue tent" over to the first pole from, and the others are guarding it by the orange-striped ambulance..
In fact the three of them at the launch point on the walkway seem to be looking back over at it in this photo.
After spying the helicopter that took this photo they then dragged it further over under between the two trees by the second lamp pole to hide it from the air! Then we caught them, red faced and guilty as sin, spiriting the launcher off the lawn once and for all from what could only be this exact location on the front lawn out by the road.For "Blue Tent" size comparison this is the back of a heavy-duty TWIN- BGM-109G "Gryphon" double-20" Diameter GLCM (Ground Launch Cruise) launcher.
Now, let's examine all the pictures we can find of the green airplane's wreckage, to do so I have prepared us a column numbering guide derived from the crappy one in the doctored-up and misleading building performance report's Fig 6.6
good floorplanNote the numbering scheme is based upon the count from the expansion joint (between Section 4 Wedge 1(upgraded - where the collapse occurred) and Section 5 Wedge 2) which is divided by the double-columns of row 11. also that wing's main central internal walking-corridor. "Wedges" In the Pentagon span from a double-columned expansion joint to the next double columned expansion joint and thus each include a corner. The front of the building has twice as many 3'X3' brick-and-Kevlar-encircled columns which are 10' apart while the internal columns (other than internal corridor walls) are generally 20' apart. Thus they (mostly) all have odd numbers. The letters start at AA for the front, then go from B-N internally back to the back wall (it would be column line letter "0" not needed or used) on the A-E Drive which is really a road-courtyard that is only vehicle accessible by a 10' high basement road-tunnel way on the other side of the building. In Section 5 the column numbers were sloppily (for some confusing reason) given backwards numbers so there are TWO DIFFERENT (1)"X"1, (1)"X"3 and (1)"X"5 columns (in the areas of interest) shown in the building performance report.
Building performance report falsehood - this is column 1N5 in the bathroom
Fig 6.6 (annotated)
Fig 6.2 (corrected,annotated)There are also two other, major outer golf-cart-wide corridors at either side of the (rectangular) Pair-Sections which are officially called Corridor 4 (of 'wedge 4') and Corridor 5. (of 'wedge' 5) 
Note Main Corridors 4 and 5This is (on the right side of this photo) the scratched-silver-repainted wing-root of the large green airplane stopped at column 7D:
FEMA 4424Most of the wide wing parts of is aircraft stopped at the D row of pillars in the C Ring there's no doubt that a badly-scratched-silver painted large green aircraft with (or without) Rolls Royce RB211 engines was the first vehicle to strike it, I say without because none of the wreckage here has ever been identified as any part of N644AA serial number 24602, transponder code 52072030 aka AA Flight 77. All there were was some junk collected out on the lawn/driveway that seems to come from something like an RB211.
In this next photo, FEMA 4436 halfway up on the left behind the yellow tape shows a burnt-brownish titanium front low pressure fan that is not from any RB211 which has a pointy cone hubcap and lots more blades, not like this sparsely-bladed fan with a "dimmer knob" type of hub. Who's titanium fan that is is anybodies guess but it's no nice fancy S bladed Rolls Royce one.
FEMA 4436FEMA 4436 Note yet another large, scratched-silver-painted green airplane fuselage part at bottom left. The twin bent pillars in the center are undoubtedly the pair at 11G (the one at 9G that should here is missing but the collapse says it should be here 20' is a lot of room so it may be beside the camera). You can see the light from the 17-18 corridor directly behind and also the H-I corridor to the left. The location of the lateral expansion joint requires that a rigid, anchoring brick wall must exist along the columns 17-18 and the columns -1,1 corridors
FEMA 4524 the Back Bathroom near punchoutThis is the back bathroom by the back door corridor near the punch-out hole. It is located at the back C Ring of Section 5 Wedge 2 between columns -1 and -3 between the final row of columns N-O. You can see a brick hallway wall knocked down (at right) and the bathroom mirror (back wall). This is where the urinal and garbage can originated that we see in the first, earliest, definitely not burning Punch Out hole photo. There is no or very little fire damage, just bombing and smoke damage.
THEY DON'T LOOK!
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Here we see yet another part of the Pentagon near the south front. You can see one of those huge white sheets strung from 19AA over to 17B in the background, after fallen rubble was cleared. (14th) This is the Ring E corridor around C-D 23 not too far in from Main Corridor 4 there is no fire here as we can see from the wooden crates and pallets and the hard sawn-square old 1940's 2X4s. Modern milled knotty spruce 2X4s are thinner, have a lighter color, rounded edges and ink stamps on them. But what's most interesting is the brick wall along corridor columns D. which are blown forward outwards by a massive concussion blast that must have occurred in the F to H regions. This raises the likelihood that all corridors had brick walls on one side. This goes a great ways towards explaining how the 10,000 gallons of jet fuel stayed up in front of D Ring on impact.
FEMA 4453NO FUEL, NO FIRE, 1 URINAL - Still burningNext lets look at the victim-body count lies (pretend data) of the building performance report:
The building performance liars claim that the black box was also planted at the rear hole.
Note how all the victim bodies were also planted and sown near corridors, yet the flight crew bodies are all at E and F rows way back in ring E this is also where the black boxes were located (APPARENTLY) behind the collapse by two firefighters:
Lies, Conflicting Reports, Cover-Up's Location of American 77 Flight Data Recorder - Part II 11/30/07 - Many may recall an article we published regarding location of American Airlines Flight 77 Flight Data Recorder (AA 77 FDR) in which we expose
the govt story of the flight data recorder being found at the entrance hole and exit hole. Since the article has been published, the MSNBC article we sourced (
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699/) no longer exists and now redirects to an irrelevant Newsweek page (
http://www.newsweek.com/id/38176). Why would MSNBC want to remove a page which explains the recovery of AA 77 FDR? Is it because we exposed the conflicting reports of location? It gets deeper.
Popular Mechanics sources a quote from Allyn E. Kilsheimer who states;
"It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C.
"I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=6(bottom of page)
The first statement which may stand out to many is how can any human hold a whole 757 tail section in their hands? Where are the photographs of this tail section? But that is not the most puzzling excerpt from his statement. The most interesting piece from his statement lies in the fact Allyn says he found the black box.
The original MSNBC excerpt we sourced in our article states;
Early Friday morning, shortly before 4 a.m., Burkhammer and another firefighter, Brian Moravitz, were combing through debris near the impact site. Peering at the wreckage with their helmet lights, the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long. They’d been told the plane’s “black boxes” would in fact be bright orange, but these were charred black. The boxes had handles on one end and one was torn open. They cordoned off the area and called for an FBI agent, who in turn called for someone from the National Transportation Safety Board who confirmed the find: the black boxes from American Airlines Flight 77. “We wanted to find live victims,” says Burkhammer. But this was a consolation prize. “Finding the black box gave us a little boost,” he says.
—Debra Rosenberg
As shown, the original article at MSNBC which contained this report has been redirected to an irrelevant Newsweek page (
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069699). However, the archives can be found here (scroll to bottom 20% of page, just above portion titled: ‘WE DO WHAT WE DO BECAUSE THAT’S OUR JOB’).
Allyn E. Kilsheimer put together a very emotional story regarding his time spent inside the pentagon on the days surrounding September 11, 2001. Popular Mechanics found the story so compelling as to use it in their "Debunking" piece. Although, it appears Popular Mechanics didn't take the time to research this story thoroughly. A human who can hold a whole 757 tail section in his hands who also found the "3rd Black box". Could this be the black box found at the exit hole? Last we checked, the 757 only holds two black boxes. Can The Govt Get Their Story Straight?. Is this the reason the original MSNBC article reporting individuals other than Allyn as finding the Black Boxes is now missing? We find it puzzling that the MSNBC article was availble for years after Sept 11, only to have disappeared after we published our "Location" article.
There are numerous other accounts of Burkhammer and Moravitz (two witnesses and those who witnessed them) having stumbled upon the damaged CVR and FDR in the front D-E Ring near the collapse area. The notion that the FDR was found near the punch out hole is a lie.
So how on earth did the bodies from the fuselage end up way the hell out by the non-burning exit hole? There is another (the third) giant explosion that destroyed some of the second floor and deflected the second floor slab up 18 inches, as this photo shows at the second section of missing columns in an area bounded approximately by column lines E,H, and 5-7?
Fig 6.5 showing the second penetrator detonation damage that brought fire and death to second floor NOC Wedge 1
geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/images/16.jpg Evidence of the second floor fires in Wedge 1 as far back as C RingI want to know how so many aircraft parts, bodies and the APU-tail could ever make it out to this Punch Out hole in the bathroom 280 feet away from the julienned mess of plane wreckage through a forest of 20 more columns without any 10,000 gallons of fuel following them!Excerpt:
The September 11th Attack on the Pentagon
Because the access tunnel leading underneath the Pentagon to the inside courtyard was only 10-foot 2-inch high, many of the towers and ladder trucks that were to go to the courtyard to put water on the roof were too tall to fit through the tunnel. Therefore, some of these apparatus had their roofs cut off so that they would fit through the tunnel. While the first and second alarms were attacking the fire from the exterior of the outer ring, at 1:25 pm, the third alarm units proceeded through the tunnel into the inner courtyard. The idea was to attack the fire from inside the Pentagon, pushing it from the unburned areas back into the burnt areas.
[What we found when we entered the inner courtyard was unbelievable.. Large groups of military and emergency room doctors were milling about waiting for survivors to be brought out of the building. Parts of the airplane and building were thrown about the courtyard and marked with evidence flags. FBI and other federal officials were walking around conducting their investigation. Members of the military were standing by at a makeshift morgue with body bags waiting for the fires to be put out so that search-and-rescue crews could go in and recover bodies of the victims. Over 35 agencies responded to the Pentagon that day.
Shortly after 2:00 pm, our first task was to stand by outside the B ring while the Arlington Fire Department attempted to make entry to the first floor between corridors 4 and 5. The fire was too intense and the crew quickly retreated.
Around 3:00 pm, the units from Prince George's County were then given the unenviable task of taking the first interior attack line into the C ring of the second floor of the Pentagon with the express orders to search for survivors and extinguish what fire we could. It had been determined that this was the area most likely to have survivors. If no survivors were found, extinguishing the fires would allow search-and-rescue crews to follow behind and begin to recover bodies. A 4" supply line (yellow in the picture below) was laid by the Arlington County Fire Department from outside the Pentagon into the inner courtyard. We entered corridor 5 and proceeded to the second floor of the C ring, stretching a 3" line (tan in the picture below) from an engine from Branchville. My task was to carry one of two 1-3/4" attack lines (red in the picture below) that were to be deployed to attack the fires. We advanced the supply line approximately 200 feet down the first floor of Corridor 5 through the A ring, into the B ring, and up an interior stairwell to the second floor. Once crews reached the second floor, the 3" supply line was stretched another 200 feet into the C ring. At that point, I hooked up one of the two attack lines and our crew made an attempt to extinguish the fires on the second floor.
There was fire on all five floors and the air was smoky and hot. The floor tiles were literally "popping" off the floor out of the water due to the intense heat of the fires burning on the floor beneath us, and some of the water was turning into steam. Ceiling had fallen and ventilation systems dangled down. While working our way through the building, we encountered extreme fire conditions, numerous fatalities, and unfortunately no survivors. The devastation was unbelievable. We found an inch or so of water on almost every floor. The hallways were dark and some were smoked filled while others had the fire alarms still sounding.Now surely what he means by "
stand by outside the B ring while the Arlington Fire Department attempted to make entry to the first floor" must mean the E and to some lesser extent the D Rings. HE also speaks of the 2nd through 5th floors being on (just plain) fire, most likely by convection from the collapse.
But the ground floor of the C Ring had to be without fire as pictured otherwise how were "Parts of the airplane and building thrown about the courtyard and marked with evidence flags. FBI and
other federal officials were walking around conducting their investigation." Unless those parts had been brought or stored there until they could get in to plant them?
These agents had to be tampering with or planting evidence in C and D Rings which had no or very little fire! No firefighter would go upstairs to fight fire without first knowing that the downstairs fires beneath him were out, it's exactly like passing one fire on the way to another! (this is a religious law to firefighters you never imperil your escape) Fig 6.2 (corrected,annotated)The mere notion that this tail thing in the alley, arranged to look like it was allegedly recovered from the D or C 1st floor near the exit hole at around J to M could be from the same plane that already looks like this at 3H is totally impossible and unbelievable.
http://911blogger.com/news/2008-10-08/fake-firefighters-and-military-imposters-pentagon-after-911And to top it all off we have this as well:
Fake Firefighters and Military Imposters at the Pentagon After 9/11
submitted by Shoestring on wed, 10/08/2008 - 12:42pm
pentagon attack
Several entries in the Complete 9/11 Timeline (copied below) describe what appear to have been individuals disguised as firefighters or military personnel, who were involved in the rescue and recovery efforts at the Pentagon following the attack there on September 11, 2001. What these individuals were doing is unknown, but possibilities need to be investigated, such as whether they were there to tamper with, plant, or remove evidence. That this may have been the case is given weight by the fact that some people who appeared to be members of the military were witnessed stealing crash debris from in front of the Pentagon.
Fairly early on in the firefighting operation at the Pentagon, what appeared to be a crew of firefighters was seen behaving completely at odds with how firefighters are trained to act. An Arlington County firefighter working on the building's second floor witnessed the crew walking past burning fires, apparently to get to fires elsewhere in the building. But, as authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman have pointed out: "Firefighters are trained never to go through a fire without putting it out, since it might seal off your exit. You might as well walk into a burning room and lock the door behind you."
Then, on September 12, the Defense Protective Service (DPS), which guards the Pentagon, arrested three people at the Pentagon who were dressed as firefighters, but were not firefighters.
Beginning that same day, a couple of firefighters involved in the recovery effort were repeatedly assisted by a mysterious man who appeared to work for the military, but who wore no identifying badge and was known to them only as "Johnny." This man said if the firefighters needed anything from the military, he could help them, and even introduced them to some friends of his who said they worked for Special Forces. But on the evening of September 14, Johnny suddenly disappeared. When the two firefighters asked around, they found that no one at the Pentagon knew who "Johnny" was, and none of the agencies involved in the recovery effort said he worked for them. The two firefighters started to wonder if he'd been an imposter who'd perhaps managed to gain access to the site before security had been tightened there.
The presence of these fake personnel raises the question of why they were at the Pentagon. Were these men just "thrill seekers," as the chief of the DPS has claimed, there for their own misguided reasons? Or could they have been at the site for a more sinister purpose, perhaps as part of a coordinated operation to plant or remove evidence from the crime scene?
This latter possibility has some evidence to support it. Shortly after the attack occurred, DPS officer Lt. Robbie Turner saw people apparently stealing plane debris from the road in front of the Pentagon. Turner has recalled, "We had to try to stop other people from pilfering the wreckage because, believe it or not, there were people--military personnel involved--you know, included, rather, that was picking up the wreckage of the plane from off the highway." Another DPS officer, Roosevelt Roberts Jr., worked during the afternoon and evening of 9/11 at the heliport near where the Pentagon was hit. He has recalled that, in that time, "We had a lot of people vandalizing, stealing evidence."
(Between 11:00 a.m. and 12:00 p.m.) September 11, 2001: Mystery Firefighters Seen Behaving Oddly inside Pentagon
A mysterious fire crew is witnessed inside the Pentagon, behaving completely at odds with how firefighters are trained to act. [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 137] Chad Stamps is a firefighter with Rescue 104 of the Arlington County Fire Department. [National Fire and Rescue, 5/2002] Along with his crew, he has been fighting fires on the second floor of the Pentagon's outer E Ring. With fires burning around him, he is astonished to see another crew walk past, carrying two packs of hose line, apparently on its way to fight fires elsewhere in the Pentagon. Describing this incident, authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman will point out: "Firefighters are trained never to go through a fire without putting it out, since it might seal off your exit. You might as well walk into a burning room and lock the door behind you. Yet there they went." Seeing the crew passing by, Stamps thinks, "This is totally disjointed." [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 137] The odd behavior of this crew is perhaps notable because there is at least one reported incident of fake firefighters being caught at the Pentagon following the attack there: On September 12, three people will be arrested who are not firefighters, yet who are dressed in firefighting gear (see September 12, 2001). [Goldberg et al., 2007, pp. 170]
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September 12, 2001: People Disguised as Firefighters Arrested at Pentagon
The Defense Protective Service (DPS)--the law enforcement agency that guards the Pentagon--arrests three people at the Pentagon who are dressed in firefighting gear but are not firefighters. Further details of who these people are and why they are at the Pentagon are unstated. John Jester, the chief of the DPS, later reflects: "When you have a major event, certain people are like moths around a light bulb. They come to the scene as thrill seekers." Reportedly, incident command, DPS, and FBI officials are worried by the "absence of an effective identification system to control the large number of people that [are passing] through the outer perimeter fence to support firefighting and recovery operations" at the Pentagon. [Goldberg et al., 2007, pp. 170]
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MILITARY IMPOSTER
September 12-14, 2001: Apparently Fake Military Official Helps with Pentagon Recovery, then Disappears
A mysterious man, who is initially assumed to be working for the military, assists firefighters involved in the Pentagon recovery efforts, but then disappears without trace and is thought to have been an impostor who had managed to slip inside the Pentagon grounds.
"Johnny" - Arlington firefighter Bob Gray is introduced by his colleague Bobby Beer to a man wearing a hard hat. Beer introduces the man only as "Johnny," and adds, "He's our go-between with PenRen [the Pentagon Renovation Program], and he knows some of the military guys too." Although "Johnny" is not wearing any identifying badge or ID, he seems knowledgeable, appears "taut and serious, with a purposeful military stance," and even introduces Gray and Beer to a couple of friends of his who say they work for Special Forces. Johnny says if Gray and Beer need anything from the military, he can help. As a security perimeter has now been set up around the crash site, Gray assumes Johnny must be there officially. [Creed and Newman, 2008, pp. 367-368]
Disappears - Johnny turns out to be very helpful and assists Gray and Beer repeatedly. But, on the evening of September 14, he suddenly disappears. Gray and Beer ask around, but no one at the Pentagon seems to know exactly who Johnny is or what his last name is, and none of the agencies involved in the recovery effort say he worked for them. Johnny's disappearance appears to follow an error he had made after firefighters discovered two bodies inside the Pentagon's E Ring. Johnny mistakenly called the truck used to remove bodies to the temporary morgue prematurely, before FBI agents had the chance to photograph and document the remains. Gray and Beer start to wonder if Johnny in fact had no official standing, and was an impostor.
Clearance - According to authors Patrick Creed and Rick Newman, "It wasn't unusual at high-profile crime scenes for law-enforcement pretenders to show up and insinuate themselves into the work." Johnny would have required "some kind of clearance to get through the concentric security perimeters that sprung up around the building--unless he'd been inside the wire before security tightened. It was possible that he had wandered in at the very beginning and simply stayed--there was enough food, water, and basic support on the scene to survive for days. Somebody who was determined enough to sleep inside one of the tents, or even on the grass, could easily have bypassed security."
So the conclusions are:
A: They were worried the substitute plane wouldn't get in deep enough to kill the auditors so used the missile to make sure the job got done forgetting about the jet fuel evidence.
B: Brick walls in hallways confined the fuel fire.
C: They landed AA 77 elsewhere swapped planes and executed the crew and passengers (likely by gas) moved the bodies into a fake repainted military transport with remote piloting (a pilot wouldn't have risked the lamp poles) and sent it off to the Pentagon.
D: They likely merged the FDR's data reset the clock and deleted the extra landing and held it disabled at takeoff until a rendezvous point to make a new recording, forgetting about the telltale cockpit door data.
E: They wrecked the CVR because it was a ghost flight with a dead crew and a few bodies.
F: They had the missile ready on the lawn in the tent early AM
G: The crash was not as good as they thought due to the hardening but the missile propelled rear wreckage, forward, and deeper, though the fuel was already gone. It was programmed to a) destroy the the decoy, b) kill the auditors and c) make that hole for them to get in through the courtyard.
H: Likely they delivered the rest of the bagged burnt bodies later by other means (helicopters) along with some other identifiable Boeing parts to allay suspicions.
This is what the evidence indicates
I: They were collecting scratched silver painted fuselage parts to hide the nature of the plane
pentdebris.jpg The scratched-silver painted green plane - note the metal is just curled and paint scratched off on the torn ribbon part which is an outside surface American Airlines Saving Money On Paint? — Tech Ops Forum ...
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I was wondering, does AA benefit in anyway, especially cost wise, from flying their jets in almost bare metal? I saw a bare 777 on Heathrow, ...
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/115120/American's A-300s were painted gray for many years while the rest of the fleet was, and is, polished aluminum. Several years ago for whatever reason, the buses were stripped and polished also. AA believes the lack of paint is cost effective.
I rest my case
