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« Reply #600 on: March 13, 2011, 08:41:43 AM »

Best picture yet of the phony remains of the phony American Airlines Flight 77, silvery-coated Green 737 Military TERCOM-piloted drone airplane that struck the Pentagon on 9/11/2001 after it's short flight from Beckley Airport in West Virginia!


WOW - was this part ever peeling the phony "polished aluminum" coating!

Note to al CIAduh 'terrorists": always clean and sand thoroughly before you paint!

(letting it dry a bit longer may also help)

A complete rundown of the entire new Pentagon research I've done is now condensed here:
   
Re: Important analysis concerning Jesse's Pentagon episode and the no plane theory
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=195842.msg1212158#msg1212158

This photo of yet another part of the Green Military Airplane that murdered auditors and intelligence gathering victims at the Pentagon was from this original:

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_191.jpg

If anyone know of any more hi resolution pictures of this criminal military aircraft's parts please post them to add to the evidence collection.

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« Reply #601 on: August 31, 2011, 01:43:15 PM »

Anyone know anything or found it on the web anywhere?
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« Reply #602 on: August 31, 2011, 01:44:59 PM »

Where did you hear about it?  I don't think one exists (out in the open anyway)
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« Reply #603 on: August 31, 2011, 01:57:08 PM »

http://www.presstv.ir/usdetail/196559.html

Found this, haven't watched it yet.
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« Reply #604 on: August 31, 2011, 02:01:29 PM »

Just watched it, looks pretty legit but where was this video shot from?

Is it real?
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« Reply #605 on: August 31, 2011, 02:04:44 PM »

Yeah, how did this get out? And where was it taken from?
Download it before it disappears.
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« Reply #606 on: August 31, 2011, 02:15:23 PM »

The video isn't loading for me.

And if a missile hit the pentagon, where did the plane and its passengers go?
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« Reply #607 on: August 31, 2011, 02:20:33 PM »

Try this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FlOXabewvI
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« Reply #608 on: August 31, 2011, 02:28:25 PM »

lol, he shows a cruise missile painted with the american airlines logo as proof.. 5 seconds of google searching turned up the original, unedited pic... This is why people don't take these arguments seriously.  People like this guy trying to pass off a photoshopped pic as proof..  Roll Eyes

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/calcm-990330-F-3588H-002.jpg
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« Reply #609 on: August 31, 2011, 02:29:16 PM »

this video you are speaking of is over 4 years old, its on youtube some where dont have time to dig it up, but it was posted in 2007.
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« Reply #610 on: August 31, 2011, 02:30:05 PM »

lol, he shows a cruise missile painted with the american airlines logo as proof.. 5 seconds of google searching turned up the original, unedited pic... This is why people don't take these arguments seriously.  People like this guy trying to pass off a photoshopped pic as proof..  Roll Eyes

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/calcm-990330-F-3588H-002.jpg

LOL.

I remember that hoax.
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« Reply #611 on: August 31, 2011, 02:56:09 PM »

lol, he shows a cruise missile painted with the american airlines logo as proof.. 5 seconds of google searching turned up the original, unedited pic... This is why people don't take these arguments seriously.  People like this guy trying to pass off a photoshopped pic as proof..  Roll Eyes

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/calcm-990330-F-3588H-002.jpg

I'm sure that is a hoax but did you miss the part showing something that looked nothing like an airliner hitting the pentagon, or did your 'twoofer' bias get in the way?
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« Reply #612 on: August 31, 2011, 02:59:10 PM »

I'm pretty sure if there was any merit to this video, a lot of people would be all over it... That leads me to believe it's a faked video, and the fact that the person trying to pass it off as real tried to use another fake photo as his proof justifies my opinion on it.

But if you want to take it as 100% proof, without knowing any background on it (who leaked it?  Where was it taken?  etc..), then more power to you I guess.. 
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« Reply #613 on: August 31, 2011, 03:08:43 PM »

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« Reply #614 on: August 31, 2011, 03:11:18 PM »

I'm pretty sure if there was any merit to this video, a lot of people would be all over it... That leads me to believe it's a faked video, and the fact that the person trying to pass it off as real tried to use another fake photo as his proof justifies my opinion on it.

But if you want to take it as 100% proof, without knowing any background on it (who leaked it?  Where was it taken?  etc..), then more power to you I guess.. 


No, not taking it as 100% proof but I am also not dismissing it because the least important part of the video is wrong. 

Can anyone with fake video expertise confirm the video of the plane is fake?

Thanks
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« Reply #615 on: August 31, 2011, 03:18:36 PM »

What do you believe happened to the plane and its passengers if a missile hit the pentagon?
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« Reply #616 on: August 31, 2011, 03:24:41 PM »

 This vid won't work for me, after about 10 seconds into it, its shuts down. All I could get was the original hole in the wall.
 The consensus seems to be its a fake, something about a cruise missle being painted as a commercial jetliner.
 Does the poster of this say this is the actual missle or was it done out of sence of humor, sarcasm?
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« Reply #617 on: August 31, 2011, 03:40:45 PM »

Its a video of a missile hitting the pentagon. I have no idea if its real but there are pictures playing after the video is fake. Needs more research.
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« Reply #618 on: August 31, 2011, 03:48:01 PM »

Its a video of a missile hitting the pentagon. I have no idea if its real but there are pictures playing after the video is fake. Needs more research.

Sometimes they mix fact with fiction to discredit leaks.
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« Reply #619 on: August 31, 2011, 04:05:26 PM »

something seems wrong with the video, it kinda seems like it zigzags instead of going straight, maybe because it is slowed down or something but. it doenst look totaly right.
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« Reply #620 on: August 31, 2011, 04:08:14 PM »

I do have to say the direction the missile like object came from does support the north side approach that the eye witnesses reported.
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« Reply #621 on: August 31, 2011, 04:51:16 PM »

There's a giant, giant controversy on these boards between the CIT guys that had done National Security Emergency (or whatever it was called) and other folks who believe that a jet absolutely hit the pentagon.  The one thing that kinda makes me doubt this guy off the bat is that he is not showing the actual impact hole when he says "come on, a jet couldnt fit through here"
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« Reply #622 on: August 31, 2011, 04:54:47 PM »






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"Some eyewitnesses believe the plane actually hit the ground at the base of the Pentagon first, and then skidded into the building." - CBS

"...it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames...But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like." - CNN

"What -- or who -- caused Flight 77 to hit ground first, diffusing most of its destructive energy before it slammed into the Pentagon?" - ESPN / MSN

"According to one witness, 'what looked like a 747' plowed into the south side of the Pentagon, possibly skipping through a heliport before it hit the building."  - Stars and Stripes



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"The plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon. The impact was deafening. The fuselage hit the ground and blew up." - Delaware Online

"I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball." - James Madison Univ.

"Then he caught an edge of his wing on the ground. There is a helicopter pad right in front of the side of the Pentagon. The wing touched there, then the plane cart wheeled into the building." - Time

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« Reply #623 on: August 31, 2011, 04:55:15 PM »

There's a giant, giant controversy on these boards between the CIT guys that had done National Security Emergency (or whatever it was called) and other folks who believe that a jet absolutely hit the pentagon.  The one thing that kinda makes me doubt this guy off the bat is that he is not showing the actual impact hole when he says "come on, a jet couldnt fit through here"

Still even if the plane went through all of those barriers and made that small hole, a plane could not have done that.

I agree^
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« Reply #624 on: August 31, 2011, 04:57:58 PM »








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« Reply #626 on: August 31, 2011, 05:01:32 PM »

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« Reply #627 on: August 31, 2011, 05:16:52 PM »

'Eyewitnesses Saw a Small Plane'

An eyewitness saw something other than a 757 fly into the Pentagon, such as a commuter jet or cruise missile.

There was a interview with him on 911 which probably has been removed from Tube. They went to great lengths to debunk him by many fake witnesses.

Steve Patterson -- watched from 14th-floor apartment in Pentagon City

... it appeared to him that a commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery and headed for the Pentagon ...

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html

































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« Reply #628 on: August 31, 2011, 06:02:28 PM »

9/11: Video of Missile Hitting Pentagon Leaked



10 Years Late, A Cruise Type Missile Hits Pentagon on 9/11  

Suppressed video released below 10 years later clearly shows Pentagon attack was a cruise type missile; either a Tomahawk or Russian/Soviet Granit as described by Dimitri Khalezov

YouTube - Veterans Today -
Gov. Jesse Ventura Proves 9/11 Cover-Up asks “Will America’s Government Fall?”



“thought it was a bomb…walked out through the hole..burning wreckage..no plane parts…threatened to keep silent”
Former Vice President Cheney Accused of Engineering Pentagon Attack

Donald Rumsfeld Cited as Possible Accomplice

By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor

Confirmed sources in the Nigerian government tell us, in order to keep former Vice President Cheney out of prison for crimes involving Nigeria, $500,000,000 in bribes have been promised, negotiated by former President George H.W. Bush.

Now, only a day later, Cheney faces possible charges, so many charges they can only be imagined, for planning the Pentagon attack on 9/11.

TV host, Jesse Ventura, former Navy Seal, former Governor of Minnesota, on a one hour documentary on prime-time American television, makes an open and shut criminal case tying Cheney, Rumsfeld and officials throughout the US government with complicity in the planning, execution and subsequent cover-up of the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon.

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According to experts on 9/11, engineers, pilots, intelligence officers and members of our military, Jesse Ventura “hit the nail on the head.”  Ventura, using evidence developed over 9 years by hundreds of individuals, outlines the utter impossibility of the government’s cover story on 9/11 and systematically debunks it using testimony and scientific evidence.

Ventura cites, in an interview with a 9/11 commissioner, a possible motive for the Pentagon attack being included with the attacks on the World Trade Center.  $2,300,000,000,000, yes 2.3 trillion US dollars had disappeared, cited only the day before in a televised statement by Secretary Rumsfeld, money “gone missing” from the Pentagon’s accounting.  The area of the Pentagon hit by a missile or destroyed by explosives or both contained all records of this missing money.

NO PLANE, NO WAY, NOT EVEN CLOSE

Ventura proves, beyond any doubt that no airplane every hit the Pentagon.  As the video shows, not even a highly trained airline pilot was capable of the maneuvers claimed.  Long before, it had been proven that the 757 was incapable of the task, either the maneuvers or the speed and trajectory.  The plane would have come apart, there is no disagreement with this and hasn’t been for some time, yet nothing had been done.  Why?

It is also clearly shown that there is absolutely no evidence of any kind showing a plane hit the Pentagon, no wreckage, no bodies, no luggage.  Items claimed to have been taken to Dover Air Force Base, bodies, plane parts, were never at the Pentagon as both video and testimony prove.

There is also proof that the government threatened witnesses, telling them to support the “aircraft scenario.”



NO MUSLIMS, NO HIJACKERS, NO BOX CUTTERS, ALL PROVEN LIES FINALLY


The basis for the conspiracy theory regarding Muslim hijackers with box cutters was based on supposed phone calls made by Barbara Olson, wife of Bush Solicitor General.  Solicitor General Olson claimed he talked to his wife on a
cell phone, spoke with her at length, while she described the hijackings as now dramatized by Hollywood.

When it was proven that a cell phone is incapable of making such calls, Olson claimed it was a “seat back phone.”  When it was proven that there were no seat back phones on American Airlines 757 aircraft, nothing further was asked.

Then investigations shows he received one call, lasting “0″ seconds.  Ventura questions as to whether Olson was duped or complicit?  Should he be arrested too?  Was his wife, Barbara, ever really on the plane?

Then Ventura looks into the flight itself.  Not only was the flight recorder “dead” but during the flight itself, the transponder was turned off.  Even more suspicious, the plane disappeared from radar for 28 minutes.

There is no discussion of this 28 minutes, but speculation, perhaps no longer speculation, has long been that the flight landed.  As to what happened then, we cannot guess, or can we.  One of my friends, a former Pentagon official, had a
friend on that aircraft.  Not long ago, he asked me.

“Gordon, what do you think happened to him, do you think he was executed?  Bullet in the brain as they stepped off the plane or something even worse?”

Ventura didn’t go there.  None of us want to.  It requires visualizing a scene out of Auschwitz.

Can Americans be so brutal, so devious, so traitorous?  It isn’t just Jesse Ventura that is willing to risk his life to bring it out, Fox News journalist Geraldo Rivera, several weeks ago, debunked the Building 7 collapse at the World Trade Center as “controlled demolition.”

YouTube – Veterans Today -

9/11 COMMISSION DUPED, ADMITS THERE WAS NO REAL INVESTIGATION AT ALL

Commission video’s redacted to remove testimony by the Secretary of Transportation, transcripts altered, witnesses blocked, evidence, tons of evidence of government conspiracy withheld, this is the case against the government.  Threats, intimidation, going on for years, this is proven.  Were there more than threats, murders, “heart attacks” or threats against families?

Ventura proves the Pentagon was a government conspiracy, he “names names.” Geraldo makes any other explanation for Building 7 other than “controlled demolition” pure insanity.

IGNORING EVIDENCE, PROOF OF DICTATORSHIP OR ARE ARRESTS PLANNED?

It isn’t as though the evidence presented by Governor Ventura and Geraldo Rivera or even the other stories, Judge Napolitano’s revelations of knowledge of the attacks as early as 1999, was new.  All has been know, all highly credible and all systematically ignored, attacked by the press, suppressed by courts, officials at every level.

9/11 and the recent revelations aren’t proof of a conspiracy by 2 men, or Israel.  It is proof that there never was an Al Qaeda and that the deaths, two wars, the 9/11 deaths and the carnage across the world wrought by the United States was part of a criminal conspiracy, one that could only be perpetrated by a dictatorship under the guise of representative democracy.

Everything we have seen, and millions around the world have watched, nobody can ignore it anymore, it all says that what has happened is something no American would allow, not if this still were America.  Jesse Ventura proved something startling to most, suspected by some.  He proved that, at some point in our past, 10 years, more, we don’t know, our government was overthrown.

MORE WIKILEAKS, MORE ASSANGE, MORE 9/11 COVER-UP

The strongest and most vocal opponent of a new 9/11 investigation is Julian Assange of Wikleaks.  If any individual outside the US government were to be named as most complicit in a 9/11 cover-up, it would be Julian Assange.

YouTube – Veterans Today -

Everything since then, certainly 9/11 and now, the news about Iran and, especially Wikileaks, all subterfuge.  When former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinsky cited Wikileaks on a PBS interview, televised nationally, that Wikileaks was the word of an intelligence agency, Israel never reported it or responded.

Instead, they attributed Brzezinski’s quote to me:



“Speaking to Haaretz, Duff added that ‘it sticks out like a sore thumb that WikiLeaks is obviously concocted by an intelligence agency.’”

This is what Brzezinski told Judy Woodruff of PBS:



ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: But I think the most serious issues are not those which are getting the headlines right now. Who cares if Berlusconi is described as a clown. Most Italians agree with that.
Who cares if Putin is described as an alpha dog? He probably is flattered by it.


The real issue is, who is feeding Wikipedia on this issue — Wiki — Wiki — WikiLeaks on this issue? They’re getting a lot of information which seems trivial, inconsequential, but some of it seems surprisingly pointed. …The very pointed references to Arab leaders could have as their objective undermining
their political credibility at home, because this kind of public identification of their hostility towards Iran could actually play against them at home.


It’s, rather, a question of whether WikiLeaks are being manipulated by interested parties that want to either complicate our relationship with other governments or want to undermine some governments, because some of these items that are being emphasized and have surfaced are very pointed.

And I wonder whether, in fact, there aren’t some operations internationally, intelligence services, that are feeding stuff to WikiLeaks, because it is a unique opportunity to embarrass us, to embarrass our position, but also to undermine our relations with particular governments.

BUSH, OBAMA, CONTINUING DICTATORSHIP, CONTINUING COVER-UP, CONTINUING WAR

Barak Obama ran for president on a platform based on justice, ending the wars and bringing accountability to government after 8 years of scandals, deceit and what can only be called “hooliganism and piracy.”  Instead, he has done nothing, the wars continue, drugs are flowing from Afghanistan even faster than before, 9/11 evidence, now overwhelming and impossible to ignore is still ignored.

Americans looking for reform wonder if Bush left at all.  Those complicit are, though few admit it, disturbed by seeing America led by an African American.  The visible public face on the very well financed attacks on President Obama are all very much based on race hatred.  This has long been the most effective tool for keeping Americans divided and compliant.  How else could a major political movement be successful supporting the least popular and least successful policies in American history?

Who would want a return to policies enacted by the least successful president in American history, George W. Bush, who left office with an approval record listed at 22%.  Many would find a number lower, even half, more credible. President Clinton, after surviving impeachment for lying about sexual misconduct left office with 68% approval.  Thus, we connect the dots and wake up one morning, informed, enraged and utterly powerless.

Even through the assaults on President Obama, many financed by the Koch brothers,  tied to ultra-nationalists in Israel, whether there was a real change of government is not clear.  As Jesse Ventura pointed out, while Vice President Dick Cheney was getting reports of a plane approaching the Pentagon, seemingly even orchestrating the attack himself, President Bush was in Florida reading to school children.  Two years of Obama have been similar, too similar.

What can we assume from this?  Is, in fact, the President of the United States no longer Commander in Chief?  Did our government hand itself over to “shadow” rule with Bush or did it happen earlier, after President Reagan’s dementia made him unable to manage the cabal that surrounded him?  How long have we been operating under no Constitution at all?

The headline on today’s New York Times:



SENATE BLOCKS BILL FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT STUDENTS

The headline on today’s Washington Post:



TOP US SPY REMOVED AFTER THREATS

What is “their” message?  Certainly not “never again.”  In fact we know that “again” is just around the corner, an Iran war with or without a new 9/11, planned and executed by the same folks, older, not wiser and certainly more pathologically insane and murderous.

..and we continue to allow it.

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« Reply #629 on: September 01, 2011, 09:12:43 AM »

 There are no limits as to what these traitors are capable of, I sincerely beleive that anyone who watches this report done by Mr. Ventura should be convinced this was a syndicated attack sponsered by the criminal faction within our Goverment.
 The great number of our citizens will deny this, critisize it as in impossiblity that there are those within the system that could be capable of such an act. In short they don't want know the truth. These psuedo patriots will continue to wiggle their flags and denounce this evidence as a product of tin hatted conspiracy theorists.
 I can only imagine the reuinion of Bush, Cheny and their gang beating their chest & patting each other on the back in celebration of a victory. Personelly I'm convinced that Mr. Bush SR., was definelty involved in this abomination, it fits his M.O. perfectly.
 One point, it has been affirmed the FBI agents had immediatly confiscated video tapes in total from the pentagon, and bordering businesses. Why would this be nesessary, its public knowledge the Pentagon is is commited to security and with extensive secuurity survelance cameras. Why after 5 years of processing has the Pentagon refused the release of these tapes. Could it be they were trashed as was the "supposed" black box. Why did Rumsfeld on Sept 09 make public the knowledge that 2.3 trillion dollars was missing in Pentagon funds, is it a coincidence,911. I sence Bush's pyscotic humor at work, inform the people they have been stolen, but tough shit, we just blew up the evidence, along with a few peons, ha ha. Yup, buckle up folks, the shows aren't over.
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