Noah's Ark found long ago

[Amishism]

Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

As far as I'm concerned Noah's Ark has conclusivly been found many years ago. The secular media would never let the GDP (generally dumb public) in on this find, instead as a smoke screen the luciferian globalist thru their 501c3 fed registered churches continue to create new Ark search missions at different sites unrelated.





Deck Timber

Deck timber cross section

DECK TIMBER
The "deck timber" having been determined to contain organic Carbon, which means that it was once living, was found to have a unique characteristic in that It displayed no growth rings.

Growth rings in trees and other plants are caused by a variation in the water supply to the plant. Annual rings occur when the temperature drops and the sap in the tree fails to rise. The leaves of the deciduous trees turn color and die, soon dropping off. In the spring, the warmth releases the tree from its state of "hibernation" and the sap begins to flow again. Even though there may be water in the ground, when the temperature drops, the tree does not continue its cycle until it is again spring. Therefore, a ring results when the growth is temporarily halted and begins when spring arrives.

In order to understand why the pre-flood wood showed no growth rings one needs only to consult the Bible. It informs us that before the flood it did not rain; therefore there were not wet and dry seasons. Growth was at a constant rate.

Genesis2:5 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD GOD HAD NOT CAUSED IT TO RAIN UPON THE EARTH, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But THERE WENT UP A MIST FROM THE EARTH, AND WATERED THE WHOLE FACE OF THE GROUND."

www.wyattmuseum.com/noahs-ark-08.htm

Rivets Discovered

June 1991

A tour group, organized by Wyatt Archaeological Research, visited the site. As Ron and the group approached "Noah's Ark" from the south end, he noticed an object that when observed, in the presence of the tour participants, bore the shape of a very large "rivet" head, with a washer around it.

The discovery of titanium in the "Rivet" is of special interest. The advantage of titanium as a metal is its tremendous strength, its light weight and its resistance to corrosion.

All of the analyses performed on the "Rivet" found it to contain Iron, Aluminum, Manganese, Vanadium and Chromium. These elements are known today to be the major alloying agents added to titanium.

JULY 1987 GEOPHYSICAL INVESTIGATION OF NOAH'S ARK
(DURUPINAR SITE) MAHER VILLAGE, DOUBAYAZIT, ARI
JOHN R. BAUMGARDNER
UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA
LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY
M. SALH BAYRAKTUTAN
ATATÜRK UNIVERSITY
FACULTY OF ENGINEERING
NOVEMBER 1987
ERZURUM, TURKEY

Discovery of the real Noah's Ark part 1 6min
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5ORpMTebI

And this one; the entire story of the discovery of the Ark from the beginning including a shootout with Al-Qaeda sent by the New World Order to stop Ron Wyatt from bringing us this find. (part 1 only the rest have been purged)
Phenomenon - The Lost Archives - Noah's Ark Found 1/5
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4172784917732264140

[Virgil_Hilts]

I'm gonna go ahead and tell you this. They were hoaxes. The people on those expeditions admitted it. There are websites detailing it. But I know you won't believe me, because anything that contradicts your delusions must have been sent by the boogey man AKA the debil. 

[Amishism]

The rest of the Phenomenon - Lost Archive Series
Noah's Ark Most Likely Discovered! Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTJjSDA400U


Noah's Ark Most Likely Discovered! Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKDzFyHnBM


Noah's Ark Most Likely Discovered! Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2nNUWgkvCE


Noah's Ark Most Likely Discovered! Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-m4hgsiRVE

[Amishism]

Notashill must mean "Christian" not "religious", because we are all religious.

This thread is a reply to another thread where Virgil made a comment of disbelief of the Ark's existence.
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=3878.msg59105#msg59105

Notice Virgil replied without the fanaticism of a school girl that notashill displayed. Also notice in the other thread notashill didn't call Virgil a "devisive shill", only when a Christian replies with referenced material that notashill has no other argument to.

[michaledvor42]

HEY nostashill i think they are a little pissed . Everytime proof of  gods  truth comes to light you atheists get your undies up in a bunch.

[michaledvor42]

Amish thats great  i cant wait tot show my friend  that CONCLUSIVE evidence of world wide flood you should look for the real mount sinia  and the parting of the red sea  they found  coral encrusted chariots from that period on a shelf . I dont know about you but i.m much happier beleaving i was created than desended from apes .

[Amishism]

hi Michal, I actually uploaded that "Search for the Real Mount Sinai" to both Google vid and the Archive.org well worth a watch.

The thing about that video which I first got on VHS was those two guys stole the discovery from Wyatt who you may know was jailed by the Saudis when he was the one who was in country illegally, told by the "Search for' film producers as tho it was their story. Also the "Search for" producers show the wrong Red Sea crossing.

Wyatt makes the true account film of the first exploration of the site before the Mt.Siani was even fenced off. But both films are worth watching.

The Search for the Real Mt. Sinai
44min.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docid=1273094791076821830

The Exodus and the Red Sea Crossing - Part 1/6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJXUv_btg60

[Sub-X]

Thanks Amishism for the links,that MT.Sinai video is pretty interesting stuff.

[lordssyndicate]

Indeed good find. I haven't see that article since my 4th grade teacher spent about a week talking about it so very long ago. lol

Agreed the ark was found and there has been much proof to show it was real. But that's just my 2 cents.

[chilicharger665]

I think Ron Wyatt was one blessed guy to find so much of this stuff!

[Amishism]

Exact length as noted in biblical description, 515 feet or 300 Egyptian cubits.

It rests on a mountain in Eastern Turkey, matching the biblical account, "The ark rested . . . upon the mountains of Ararat" Genesis 8:4. (Ararat being the name of the ancient country Urartu which covered this region.)

Additionally, the name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC.

Some have mistakenly assumed that the Bible meant the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat (Agri Dagh), but that is not the case. Mount Ararat is 17,000 feet tall, and is a post-Flood volcanic mountain that gained its height after the Flood. The ark came to rest in the mountains of the ancient country of Urartu, not on Mt. Ararat.

Occupied ancient village at the ark site at 6,500 ft. elevation matching Flavius Josephus' statement "Its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day."

Dr. Bill Shea, archaeologist found an ancient pottery sherd within 20 yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it. In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark. The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today.

Recognized by Turkish Government as Noah's Ark National Park and a National Treasure. Official notice of its discovery appeared in the largest Turkish newspaper in 1987.

Visitors' center built by the government to accommodate tourists further confirms the importance of the site.

Huge anchor stones were found near the ark and in the village Kazan, 15 miles away, which hung off the rear of the ark to steady its ride.

The ark rests upon Cesnakidag (or Cudi Dagi) Mountain, which is translated as "Doomsday" Mountain.

Dr. Salih Bayraktutan of Ataturk University stated, "It is a man made structure, and for sure it's Noah's Ark" Common Sense. This same article also states "The site is immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the resting place of the Ark." Houd Sura 11:44

Radar scans show a regular pattern of timbers inside the ark formation, revealing keels, keelsons, gunnels, bulkheads, animal chambers, ramp system, door in right front, two large barrels in the front 14' x 24', and an open center area for air flow to all three levels.
www.wyattnewsletters.com/indexartcls.htm

[jannerbob]

Exact length as noted in biblical description, 515 feet or 300 Egyptian cubits.

It rests on a mountain in Eastern Turkey, matching the biblical account, "The ark rested . . . upon the mountains of Ararat" Genesis 8:4. (Ararat being the name of the ancient country Urartu which covered this region.)

Additionally, the name Ararat, as it appears in the Bible, is the Hebrew equivalent of ...Urartu, ancient country of southwest Asia mentioned in Assyrian sources from the early 13th century BC.

Some have mistakenly assumed that the Bible meant the ark came to rest on Mount Ararat (Agri Dagh), but that is not the case. Mount Ararat is 17,000 feet tall, and is a post-Flood volcanic mountain that gained its height after the Flood. The ark came to rest in the mountains of the ancient country of Urartu, not on Mt. Ararat.

Occupied ancient village at the ark site at 6,500 ft. elevation matching Flavius Josephus' statement "Its remains are shown there by the inhabitants to this day."

Dr. Bill Shea, archaeologist found an ancient pottery sherd within 20 yards of the ark which has a carving on it that depicts a bird, a fish, and a man with a hammer wearing a headdress that has the name "Noah" on it. In ancient times these items were created by the locals in the village to sell to visitors of the ark. The ark was a tourist attraction in ancient times and today.

Recognized by Turkish Government as Noah's Ark National Park and a National Treasure. Official notice of its discovery appeared in the largest Turkish newspaper in 1987.

Visitors' center built by the government to accommodate tourists further confirms the importance of the site.

Huge anchor stones were found near the ark and in the village Kazan, 15 miles away, which hung off the rear of the ark to steady its ride.

The ark rests upon Cesnakidag (or Cudi Dagi) Mountain, which is translated as "Doomsday" Mountain.

Dr. Salih Bayraktutan of Ataturk University stated, "It is a man made structure, and for sure it's Noah's Ark" Common Sense. This same article also states "The site is immediately below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the resting place of the Ark." Houd Sura 11:44

Radar scans show a regular pattern of timbers inside the ark formation, revealing keels, keelsons, gunnels, bulkheads, animal chambers, ramp system, door in right front, two large barrels in the front 14' x 24', and an open center area for air flow to all three levels.
www.wyattnewsletters.com/indexartcls.htm

Exact length as noted in biblical description, 515 feet or 300 Egyptian cubits.

That would make it the longest all wooden ship ever built exceeding the second longest by 150 feet and was built by somebody with no knowledge of shipbuilding at all.The reason 515 feet is impossible is because it would break in half due to its shear weight.Sorry but it is physically impossible.

[Amishism]

That would make it the longest all wooden ship ever built exceeding the second longest by 150 feet and was built by somebody with no knowledge of shipbuilding at all.The reason 515 feet is impossible is because it would break in half due to its shear weight.Sorry but it is physically impossible.

I'm aware it's outstanding. Did you look at the building materials found? This was not built by the primitive. It is well recorded even the Sumerians were not primitive.

[sid]

That would make it the longest all wooden ship ever built exceeding the second longest by 150 feet and was built by somebody with no knowledge of shipbuilding at all.The reason 515 feet is impossible is because it would break in half due to its shear weight.Sorry but it is physically impossible.

Yeah, and I recall when it was proven Bumble Bee's couldn't fly.

Noah was directly instructed in the ship's design by God, he was the builder not the designer. 

It could be assumed that the designer had a rather more complete knowledge of physical possibilities than most of us can lay claim to.

[White Rose Sophie]

Thanks Amishism for the links,that MT.Sinai video is pretty interesting stuff.

Wow.  The Sinai video was truly amazing. What is also 'amazing' (or not) is the fact that things like this are NEVER shown on mainstream TV programs, etc nor seen mention of this in any of the churches I've attended in the past - this is obviously not a new video.  Well, maybe it's really NOT amazing it hasn't been seen by many, on second thought. I have a video somewhere with the Noah's ark footage, so that wasn't necessarily new to me.

Ever read Graham Hancock's "Fingerprints of the Gods"?  I think that's the one he wrote about Moses, and the Pharaoh Aten, and the Exodus.  Pretty interesting hypothesis really.  And he's NOT a christian, from what I understand.  A lot of 'scientists' scoff at his idea about the earthquake that buried Thera being a plausible explanation for the parting of the "Sea of Reeds" (which is what he calls it, I do remember that - and NOT the Red Sea) but I don't understand why his explanation is dismissed out of hand. Unless of course, it destroys the idea that the Bible is all myth. 

I guess I need to scrounge around and find it again - to compare with what they say on the video. Especially intriguing are the carvings of the cows on the altar-looking thing.

[jannerbob]

I'm aware it's outstanding. Did you look at the building materials found? This was not built by the primitive. It is well recorded even the Sumerians were not primitive.

i could pick 1000 people,experts in boatwrighting and they could not build a 515 foot wooden boat that would not break in half.Its a ludicrous thing to have me believe.515 feet is the same length as a frigate.If you believe it good on you i find it all very interesting.

[Femacamper]

The ark was built with an incredibly good design. I think the ancients had knowledge that we do not have today in some respects. Beyond that, God has complete knowledge, so he could instruct Noah to build a 515 foot boot as easily as a 51.5 foot boat (by scale).

[echoes]

anyone ever heard of the epic of gilgamesh?

[White Rose Sophie]

anyone ever heard of the epic of gilgamesh?

Yep.  Talks about a flood too.  I believe there are many flood stories in ancient cultures.  The one described in Genesis is the only one I think where the actual location of the 'boat' (ark) is mentioned.  And where (according to the sources above) there is actual archeological evidence of such a vessel.  But I'm sure if that is not true, then there will be someone to correct me.   

[echoes]

Yep.  Talks about a flood too.  I believe there are many flood stories in ancient cultures.  The one described in Genesis is the only one I think where the actual location of the 'boat' (ark) is mentioned.  And where (according to the sources above) there is actual archeological evidence of such a vessel.  But I'm sure if that is not true, then there will be someone to correct me.  

i meant specifically that (written) records of the epic of gilgamesh pre-date any record of the flood of genesis by 3,000 years, if i remember correctly.
(the specific link i gave has some interesting comparisons & whatnot).

[Amishism]

Noah's flood can't be brought up without absurd pagan flood accounts being passed off as older. A global flood is a scientific fact, the question remains which flood account is accurate. Have you read the Gilgamesh epic?

Noah’s Flood and the Gilgamesh Epic
Jonathan Sarfati
29 March 2004

Hardly anything in the Bible has been attacked as much as God’s cataclysmic judgment of Noah’s Flood.

Jesus taught the Flood was real history, as real as His future second coming:

‘Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.  People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the Ark.  Then the Flood came and destroyed them all.’ (Luke 17:26–27)

In this passage, Jesus straightforwardly talks about Noah as a real person (who was His ancestor—Luke 3:36), the Ark as a real vessel, and the Flood as a real event.

A very common view is that the biblical story of Noah’s Flood was not historical at all, and was borrowed from flood legends in Mesopotamia.

The Gilgamesh Epic
In 1853, the archaeologist Austen Henry Layard and his team were excavating the palace library of the ancient Assyrian capital Nineveh.  Among their finds were a series of 12 tablets of a great epic.  The tablets dated from about 650 BC.

Which came first?
We can see from the table that there are many similarities, which point to a common source.  But there are also significant differences.  Even the order of sending out birds is logical in Noah’s account.  He realized that the non-return of a carrion feeder like a raven proved nothing, while Utnapishtim sent the raven out last.  But Noah realized that a dove was more logical—when the dove returned with a freshly picked olive branch, Noah knew the water had abated.  And its non-return a week later showed that the dove found a good place to settle.

Enemies of biblical Christianity assert that the biblical account borrowed from the Gilgamesh epic.  Followers of Christ cannot agree.  So in line with the Apostle Paul’s teaching in 2 Corinthians 10:5, it’s important to demolish this liberal theory.

Genesis is older
It makes more sense that Genesis was the original and the pagan myths arose as distortions of that original account.  While Moses lived long after the event, he probably acted as the editor of far older sources.9  For example, Genesis 10:19 gives matter-of-fact directions, ‘as you go toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim’.  These were the cities of the plain God destroyed for their extreme wickedness 500 years before Moses.  Yet Genesis gives directions at a time when they were well-known landmarks, not buried under the Dead Sea.

It is common to make legends out of historical events, but not history from legends.  The liberals also commonly assert that monotheism is a late evolutionary religious development.  The Bible teaches that mankind was originally monotheistic.  Archaeological evidence suggests the same, indicating that only later did mankind degenerate into idolatrous pantheism.10

For instance, in Genesis, God’s judgment is just, he is patient with mankind for 120 years (Genesis 6:3), shows mercy to Noah, and is sovereign.  Conversely, the gods in the Gilgamesh Epic are capricious and squabbling, cower at the Flood and are famished without humans to feed them sacrifices.  That is, the human writers of the Gilgamesh Epic rewrote the true account, and made their gods in their own image.

The whole Gilgamesh-derivation theory is based on the discredited Documentary Hypothesis. This assumes that the Pentateuch was compiled by priests during the Babylonian Exile in the 6th century BC.  But the internal evidence shows no sign of this, and every sign of being written for people who had just come out of Egypt.  The Eurocentric inventors of the Documentary Hypothesis, such as Julius Wellhausen, thought that writing hadn’t been invented by Moses’ time.  But many archaeological discoveries of ancient writing show that this is ludicrous.

All people groups remember a global Flood
A local flood?  This might work if there were similar flood legends only around the ancient near east.  But there are thousands of such flood legends all around the world.

Genesis is the original
The Gilgamesh Epic has close parallels with the account of Noah’s Flood.  Its close similarities are due to its closeness to the real event.  However, there are major differences as well.  Everything in the Epic, from the gross polytheism to the absurd cubical ark, as well as the worldwide flood legends, shows that the Genesis account is the original, while the Gilgamesh Epic is a distortion.

[Lancebigmac]

Well I'm convinced it is definitely a boat, but how do they get Noah's ark out of this other than the location.

I am aware of the 300 cubits in length, but in video 2 when he describes the overall width it doesn't match it is close but not as close as the 300 cubits.

Also the question of the anchor stones.  Has anyone tested to see if the rocks used are indigenous to the location of the ark because I can find it easy to believe that if someone was walking along and saw a huge ancient boat their first impression would be to think it's Noah's Ark, and use stones already there to carve a marker for future passer-bys as well as influencing the local cultures. 

Also has there been any serious study as to whether or not a boat that size could actually house a male and a female of every land mammal in existence?  I'm sure there are Almanacs that could be used for this purpose, and what about the mammals that were indigenous to only certain parts of the world like pandas and the red panda or the Arctic fox and polar bear?

But there is on thing I find most interesting about this whole issue.  I think it's pretty AMAZING that when Ron Wyatt was ready to start excavating an earth quake happened that did the job for him and did it well.  These are the kinda signs I feel God communicates to us with, and I feel ,all my other scientific questions aside, that this is the most revealing event that pushes me to accepting that this very well could be Noah's Ark.

 

[Amishism]

Well I'm convinced it is definitely a boat, but how do they get Noah's ark out of this other than the location.

I am aware of the 300 cubits in length, but in video 2 when he describes the overall width it doesn't match it is close but not as close as the 300 cubits.

Also the question of the anchor stones.  Has anyone tested to see if the rocks used are indigenous to the location of the ark because I can find it easy to believe that if someone was walking along and saw a huge ancient boat their first impression would be to think it's Noah's Ark, and use stones already there to carve a marker for future passer-bys as well as influencing the local cultures. 

Also has there been any serious study as to whether or not a boat that size could actually house a male and a female of every land mammal in existence?  I'm sure there are Almanacs that could be used for this purpose, and what about the mammals that were indigenous to only certain parts of the world like pandas and the red panda or the Arctic fox and polar bear?

But there is on thing I find most interesting about this whole issue.  I think it's pretty AMAZING that when Ron Wyatt was ready to start excavating an earth quake happened that did the job for him and did it well.  These are the kinda signs I feel God communicates to us with, and I feel ,all my other scientific questions aside, that this is the most revealing event that pushes me to accepting that this very well could be Noah's Ark.

 

Those are some very good questions which some have been looked into while others we can only theorize.

There are websites that have actually calculated the onboard critters, seven pairs of the biblical clean and one pair of the unclean. The smallest (youngest) would be best for later breeding purposes and travel, also, factoring in adaptation only one of each kind are required to produce the large varieties we have today (ie:bears give us polar bears). There was likely one super continent making it more possible for God to gather the animals to the Ark. The flood waters flowing off into the oceans where it is today, seperating the continents. The earth being a tropical greenhouse environment producing large plant and animals would not have had any ice caps which are a post flood resulting condition.

There have been many that have calculated the number onboard, here is one.
www.biblestudy.org/basicart/sizeark.html

[echoes]

i find it sad that people can't even have a rational, logical, civilized discussion any more.  people are so insecure with their faith that when someone tries to initiate a rational, logical, civilized conversation all they can do is have knee jerk reactions.

and btw, no one said anything about pagan flood accounts.  countless records of that type of flood are prolific throughtout virtually every culture of the ancient world in as many different times.

[Kregener]

I'm gonna go ahead and tell you this. Evolution is a hoax. The people on those expeditions have never discovered one solid piece of evidence to prove it. There are websites detailing it. But I know you won't believe me, because anything that contradicts your delusions must have been sent by the boogey man AKA...God.

[Hawkwind39]

First impression.  This is a load of old goats balls.  For one thing titanium wasn't discovered untill the late 1700's.  But I suppose god could have had a stash of titanium rivets laying around :-))

[Femacamper]

Titanium is not an impossibility. It's possible that ancient metallurgic techniques have been lost through time.
Read:

http://www.adiyamanli.org/agri.html

and

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/the_remains_of_noahs_ark.html

Much in the same way we still don't know the exact techniques the ancient pyramids, Sphinx and other monuments were made, we can assume that they knew something that we either don't know now, or had forgotten until recent ages as it was forgotten through the ages.

[Hawkwind39]

Yes I am fully aware that anything is possible and that the sands of time are deeper than any historical record we could ever imagine.  Doesn't change the fact that I think the article reeks of BS.
Some will believe, some wont.  I don't.  Whoop-di-doo..... Who cares both ways.... 

[echoes]

Titanium is not an impossibility. It's possible that ancient metallurgic techniques have been lost through time.
Read:

http://www.adiyamanli.org/agri.html

and

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/the_remains_of_noahs_ark.html

Much in the same way we still don't know the exact techniques the ancient pyramids, Sphinx and other monuments were made, we can assume that they knew something that we either don't know now, or had forgotten until recent ages as it was forgotten through the ages.

that is definitely a possibility, there is a lot of lost knowledge.  but i don't think its safe to "assume" anything...

[Amishism]

that is definitely a possibility, there is a lot of lost knowledge.  but i don't think its safe to "assume" anything...

Even more "unsafe" to deny the facts. Nobody is making assumptions, there is a Great Pyramid sitting over there. Test have been ran on the rivet which are found on the website and in the videos. They were good about video documenting everything, including the lab work.

There have been many other metal objects found.
Fossilized Hammer:
Found in a formation famous for its dinosaurs

The wood handle is partially coalifed with quartz and calcite crystalline inclusions. Tests performed at Battelle Laboratory document the hammer’s unusual metallurgy, 96% iron, 2.6% chlorine and .74% sulfur (no carbon). Density test indicate casting of exceptional quality. A unique coating of FeO, which does not readily form under present atmospheric conditions, appears to inhibit rusting.

[echoes]

Even more "unsafe" to deny the facts. Nobody is making assumptions, there is a Great Pyramid sitting over there. Test have been ran on the rivet which are found on the website and in the videos. They were good about video documenting everything, including the lab work.

There have been many other metal objects found.
Fossilized Hammer:
Found in a formation famous for its dinosaurs

i was not referring to that specifically, i was reffering to this statement:
"we can assume that they knew something that we either don't know now, or had forgotten until recent ages as it was forgotten through the ages."

[SlaveState]

I find all of this very interesting.

Wikipedia reports:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt

By the time of his death in 1999 his claimed discoveries included:

    * The true Noah's Ark (the Durupinar site, 18¼ miles south of Mount Ararat & altitude of 6,525 feet above sea level)
    * Anchor stones (or drogue stones) used by Noah on the Ark
    * The post-flood house, grave markers and tombs of Noah and his wife
    * The location of Sodom and Gomorrah
    * Sulfur/brimstone balls from the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah
    * The Tower of Babel in Central Turkey
    * The site of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea (which Wyatt located in the Gulf of Aqaba)
    * Chariot wheels and other relics of the pursuing army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea
    * The true site of the biblical Mt. Sinai (located by Wyatt in Saudi Arabia at Jabal al Lawz)
    * A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's Temple
    * The Ark of the Covenant
    * The original stones of the Ten Commandments
    * The true site of the Crucifixion of Jesus the Messiah
    * The Blood of Jesus, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant, directly beneath the Crucifixion site

Umm...I'm sorry but it seems completely implausible that this guy owns the market on just about every Christian artifact of significance.

Any more info on this? I'd like to look into it more...

[Nailer]

I do not think it ever has been found or ever will be found.  In a world of little means they would have reused the lumber from the ARK to build homes, barns for the animals and for fire wood.

Think about it , would you want to have to find more tress cut them for lumber and fire wood if you already had the ARK which served its  purpose and was just sitting there doing nothing.

Hey Noah we got plenty of wood here , no need to cut more trees down.

[echoes]

I find all of this very interesting.

Wikipedia reports:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt

Umm...I'm sorry but it seems completely implausible that this guy owns the market on just about every Christian artifact of significance.

Any more info on this? I'd like to look into it more...

enough said.

[freethinker]

i respect peoples believes but when you argue a point with someone sometimes you have to ask yourself can i be wrong?
 i think the religious stories are very derivative, the same characters seem yo pop up all over the place?  after watching zeitgeist things seemed so rational and clear also a jordan maxwell clip with him explaining the Egyptians Ark anowar story, the great flood, it happened ever year flooding an area and bringing life back to that land?  that made sense to me.
i can see that happening, it happens in lots of places annually.
im not to familiar with the ark story but is it even remotely possible to get all the animals needed in to that boat?  i think the Qe2 would struggle if we had a go now?

when people argue over these things and get annoyed (ive done it myself) it proves how powerful and destructive religious beliefes can be.

which part of the egg shall we open? top or bottom?

HAGO

[aussiegirl]

aahh! were were our kangaroos at this time of the flood? Anyone seen any lately? LOL  or did they "evolve later perhaps?" on the island of aussieland??    Oh, sorry, evolution doesn't count here.... did God throw them on to our land much later perhaps??? so many questions....

[Femacamper]

AussieGirl, that's an easy answer.

The world used to have one continent referred to as Pangaea. If you look closely at a globe, you'll notice that several of the continents can easily fit into each other, like a puzzle.

"There are (or at least were) shallow underwater land bridges connecting all of the major continents. North America, Southeast Asia, and Australia are all attached to continental Asia. Britain is attached to continental Europe. In some places, these intercontinental bridges are only a few hundred feet below our current sea-level. The theory can be summarized as follows: (1) After the Noahic flood, an ice age occurred. (2) The vast amount of water that was frozen resulted in the oceans being much lower than they are today. (3) The low level of the oceans resulted in land bridges connecting the various continents. (4) Human beings and animals migrated to the different continents over these land bridges. (5) The ice age ended, resulting in the ice melting and the ocean levels rising, resulting in the land bridges being submerged."


Evolutionists confer that it was really this way, however they disagree on the timing by several hundred million years.

Young-earth scientists confer with this theory entirely.

http://www.gotquestions.org/pangea-theory.html
http://geology.com/pangea.htm

[Femacamper]

Question: "How did Noah fit all the animals on the Ark?"

Answer: How did Noah fit all of those animals on the ark? Was the ark big enough to fit “two of every kind… of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind,” and seven of some? What about food? There had to be enough room to store enough food to last Noah and his family (8 in all), plus all of the animals, at least a year (see Genesis 7:11; 8:13-18) and maybe more depending on how long it took for vegetation to grow back. That’s a lot of food! What about drinking water? Is it realistic to believe that Noah’s boat was big enough to store all of these animals and all of this food and water for over a year?

The dimensions for the ark given in Genesis are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15). What is a cubit? A cubit is an ancient unit of measurement, the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (the term “cubit” comes from the Latin word “cubitum” which means elbow. The Hebrew word for cubit is “‘ammah”). As everybody’s arms are different in length this unit may seem a bit ambiguous to some but scholars generally agree that it represents somewhere between 17 and 22 inches (43-56 centimeters). The ancient Egyptian cubit is known to have been 21.888 inches. So let’s do the math…

300 x 22 inches = 6,600; 50 x 22 inches = 1,100; 30 x 22 inches = 660

6,600/12 = 550 feet; 1100/12 = 91.7 feet; 660/12 = 55 feet.

Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smaller measurement, 17 inches, we end up with 1.278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that if the ark had only 1,518,750 cubic feet of free space, a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925, it could store up to 125,000 sheep-sized animals (see - http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta42.html).

John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah “infant” animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.

How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 “kinds.” What is a “kind”? The designation of “kind” is thought to be much broader than the designation “species.” Even as there are 400-something dog breeds but they all belong to one species (Canis familiaris), in the same way many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation “genus” may be somewhat close to the Biblical “kind.”

Nevertheless, even if we presume that “kind” is synonymous with “species,” “there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called “clean” kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than say, 50,000 animals were on the ark.” (Morris, 1987)

Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.

What about all of the excrement produced by all of these animals? How did 8 people manage to feed all of those animals and deal with tons of excrement on a daily basis? What about animals with specialized diet? How did plant-life survive? What about insects? There are a thousand other questions like these which could be raised and they are all good questions. In the minds of many these questions are unanswerable. But they are certainly not anything new. They have been asked over and over for centuries. And in all of that time researchers have sought answers. There are now numerous, very scholarly feasibility studies which have put Noah and his ark to the test. The very best work available on the subject today is John Woodmorappe’s Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study.

With over 1,200 scholarly references to academic studies, Woodmorappe’s book is “a modern systematic evaluation of the alleged difficulties surrounding Noah's Ark” (John Woodmorappe, “A Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah’s Ark,” Impact No. 273 March 1996. Institute for Creation Research, 30 January 2005 http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-273.htm). Woodmorappe claims that after years of systematically examining all of the questions which have been raised over the years, “all of the arguments against the Ark are… found wanting. In fact, the vast majority of the anti-Ark arguments, at first superficially plausible, turn out to be easily invalidated.”

Recommended resource: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFFp=1011693&item_no=5523382

[jannerbob]

Question: "How did Noah fit all the animals on the Ark?"

Answer: How did Noah fit all of those animals on the ark? Was the ark big enough to fit “two of every kind… of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind,” and seven of some? What about food? There had to be enough room to store enough food to last Noah and his family (8 in all), plus all of the animals, at least a year (see Genesis 7:11; 8:13-18) and maybe more depending on how long it took for vegetation to grow back. That’s a lot of food! What about drinking water? Is it realistic to believe that Noah’s boat was big enough to store all of these animals and all of this food and water for over a year?

The dimensions for the ark given in Genesis are 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high (Genesis 6:15). What is a cubit? A cubit is an ancient unit of measurement, the length of the forearm from the elbow to the longest finger (the term “cubit” comes from the Latin word “cubitum” which means elbow. The Hebrew word for cubit is “‘ammah”). As everybody’s arms are different in length this unit may seem a bit ambiguous to some but scholars generally agree that it represents somewhere between 17 and 22 inches (43-56 centimeters). The ancient Egyptian cubit is known to have been 21.888 inches. So let’s do the math…

300 x 22 inches = 6,600; 50 x 22 inches = 1,100; 30 x 22 inches = 660

6,600/12 = 550 feet; 1100/12 = 91.7 feet; 660/12 = 55 feet.

Thus, the ark could have been up to 550 feet long, 91.7 feet wide and 55 feet high. These are not unreasonable dimensions. But how much storage space does this amount to? Well, 550 x 91.7 x 55 = 2,773,925 cubic feet. (If we take the smaller measurement, 17 inches, we end up with 1.278,825 cubic feet). Of course, not all of it would have been free space. The ark had three levels (Genesis 6:16) and a lot of rooms (Genesis 6:14), the walls of which would have taken up space. Nevertheless, it has been calculated that if the ark had only 1,518,750 cubic feet of free space, a little more than half (54.75%) of the 2,773,925, it could store up to 125,000 sheep-sized animals (see - http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta42.html).

John Woodmorappe, author of the definitive Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, estimated that only about 15% of the animals on the ark would have been larger than a sheep. This figure does not take into account the possibility that God may have brought Noah “infant” animals, which can be significantly smaller than adult animals.

How many animals were on the ark? Woodmorappe estimates about 16,000 “kinds.” What is a “kind”? The designation of “kind” is thought to be much broader than the designation “species.” Even as there are 400-something dog breeds but they all belong to one species (Canis familiaris), in the same way many species can belong to one kind. Some think that the designation “genus” may be somewhat close to the Biblical “kind.”

Nevertheless, even if we presume that “kind” is synonymous with “species,” “there are not very many species of mammals, birds, amphibians and reptiles. The leading systematic biologist, Ernst Mayr, gives the number as 17,600. Allowing for two of each species on the ark, plus seven of the few so-called “clean” kinds of animals, plus a reasonable increment for known extinct species, it is obvious that not more than say, 50,000 animals were on the ark.” (Morris, 1987)

Some have estimated that there were as many as 25,000 kinds of animals represented on the ark. This is a high-end estimation. With two of each kind and seven of some the number of animals would exceed 50,000, though not by very much relatively speaking. Regardless, whether there were 16,000 or 25,000 kinds of animals, even with two of each and seven of some, scholars agree that there was plenty of room for all of the animals on the ark, plus food and water with room to spare.

What about all of the excrement produced by all of these animals? How did 8 people manage to feed all of those animals and deal with tons of excrement on a daily basis? What about animals with specialized diet? How did plant-life survive? What about insects? There are a thousand other questions like these which could be raised and they are all good questions. In the minds of many these questions are unanswerable. But they are certainly not anything new. They have been asked over and over for centuries. And in all of that time researchers have sought answers. There are now numerous, very scholarly feasibility studies which have put Noah and his ark to the test. The very best work available on the subject today is John Woodmorappe’s Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study.

With over 1,200 scholarly references to academic studies, Woodmorappe’s book is “a modern systematic evaluation of the alleged difficulties surrounding Noah's Ark” (John Woodmorappe, “A Resource for Answering the Critics of Noah’s Ark,” Impact No. 273 March 1996. Institute for Creation Research, 30 January 2005 http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-273.htm). Woodmorappe claims that after years of systematically examining all of the questions which have been raised over the years, “all of the arguments against the Ark are… found wanting. In fact, the vast majority of the anti-Ark arguments, at first superficially plausible, turn out to be easily invalidated.”

Recommended resource: http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/product?event=AFFp=1011693&item_no=5523382

So how many windows did god tell Noah to make,after all Noah was only building to Gods instructions.


Genesis.6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
   
6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.

That says to me god told Noah to build this massive,largest all wooden gopher treed ark ever built,with only one window 18" square.The methane gas from the animal shit would kill everything within hours.What did they do with the tons of shit,maybe they threw it all out of the 18" window over Australia and that is what Ayers Rock is.

POINT 2.
If the flood covered the highest mountain{Everest 29000 feet}and the flood killed all living things then how did the dove find a leaf from an olive tree.All olive trees will die if submerged under water and a seed could not germinate and grow within 7 days.

POINT 3,

Where did all the water go,it evaporates turns into clouds and rains straight back again.To clear that much water would take thousands of years not 40 days.

Point 4.
If only two of each animal were taken on the ark then every animal species on the planet are inbred,pretty much like humans seeing as Eve was the only female.Was it Cain or Abel that did his own mother.The inbreeding could explain the Aussies weird and wonderful animals.Kangaroos and Duck Billed Platypus are obviously the result of God having some left over parts and an enormous spliff.

[freethinker]

can you imagine trying to get that lot on a boat and the the elephant treads on some of the smaller animals, also there wasnt just 2 of each animal, the seas rose to above everest?  on a global scale thats how much extra water?  can you image a 1000 man team trying to collect 2 or more of each species now?  how long would that take, whilst they were accruing these animals they also had to feed and maintain them.  surely during there stay on the ship some of the animals must have died and im sure that the lions tiger and all other carnivores would have just waited hungrily for some grass to be served, can you imagine the amount of animals the carnivores would have got through?  they would have to be killing things to feed to other on a regular basis or did they just eat what noah caught?  whales ands such  (just a bit of levity no animosity intended)

noah set sail when?
and when was the earth all one big continent?

heres my analogy if i watch star trek enterprise i can tell when an old original series story is being retold even if there are different characters names and different locations and different time frames,  the story has been told before. 
i think i have an open mind and an active imagination and i will entertain a lot of ideas but i find this story very hard to swallow, after watching zeitgeist i find all religions hard to swallow, they were started to control the different country's beliefs so that its easy to evoke a war, you just say they dont agree with our god.

I am open to the idea that there maybe something else, that controls everything  and i believe that there maybe life after death, after watching the NDE documentaries and the remote viewing esp the ed dames thing on google.  also the coloured auras that everyone has that can be photographed or filmed.

Can anyone tell me if they have ever filmed somone with one of these devices as they die?  i feel that it would be revealing?  if you see the colour float away, then again it may just disappear into another dimension or a spectrum that we can see or are not aware of?  sorry to go off topic and i apologies if these causes anyone any offense, i dont mean any.

peace have a good one.