New evidence for a multiverse?

[phasma]

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100322-dark-flow-matter-outside-universe-multiverse/

John Roach

for National Geographic News

Published March 22, 2010

"Dark flow" is no fluke, suggests a new study that strengthens the case for unknown, unseen "structures" lurking on the outskirts of creation.

In 2008 scientists reported the discovery of hundreds of galaxy clusters streaming in the same direction at more than 2.2 million miles (3.6 million kilometers) an hour.

This mysterious motion can't be explained by current models for distribution of mass in the universe. So the researchers made the controversial suggestion that the clusters are being tugged on by the gravity of matter outside the known universe.

Now the same team has found that the dark flow extends even deeper into the universe than previously reported: out to at least 2.5 billion light-years from Earth.

After using two additional years' worth of data and tracking twice the number of galaxy clusters, "we clearly see the flow, we clearly see it pointing in the same direction," said study leader Alexander Kashlinsky, an astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Maryland.

"It looks like a very coherent flow."

The find adds to the case that chunks of matter got pushed outside the known universe shortly after the big bang—which in turn hints that our universe is part of something larger: a multiverse.

Dark Flow's Extended Reach

Kashlinsky and colleagues first noticed the dark flow when studying the way gas in galaxy clusters interacts with the cosmic microwave background radiation. This burst of light is thought to have been released just 380,000 years after the big bang and now permeates the universe.

(Related: "Universe 20 Million Years Older Than Thought.")

Data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) can show the minute temperature changes created as the cosmic microwave background radiation moves through gases in galaxy clusters.

These gases scatter light from the cosmic microwave background radiation as it passes through the clusters, similar to the way Earth's atmosphere can scatter starlight, making some stars twinkle.

But the clusters are also moving relative to the background radiation, so the scattered light gets distorted further by the Doppler effect. This distortion appears in the form of temperature shifts in WMAP data, which can reveal the clusters' direction and speed.

"It is very difficult to isolate [the temperature change] for each individual cluster," Kashlinsky said, so the original study had examined 700 clusters.

The new study is based on the collective motion of about 1,400 galaxy clusters, and seeing dark flow with the greater number of clusters gives the researchers more confidence in their result.

In addition, the team tested their analysis method by comparing the x-ray brightness of certain clusters with the strength of temperature changes seen in the WMAP data. Brighter clusters—those with more hot gases—would be expected to have greater affects on the cosmic microwave background, and that's what the new study confirmed.

Kashlinsky speculates that the dark flow extends "all the way across the visible universe," or about 47 billion light-years, which would fit with the notion that the clusters are being pulled by matter that lies beyond known horizons.

Dark flow, he said, "would be much more difficult to explain theoretically if it extended [2.5 billion light-years] and then just stopped."

Findings are reported in the March 20 issue of The Astrophysical Journal Letters.

[Dig]

please do not post these off topic threads in thie general discussion area anymore.

SOmetimes I think that National Georgraphic is the National Enquirer for geeks...keeping another sector of society distracted while the banksters continue the raping and pilaging of humanity.

[phasma]

didnt know where else to put it - may ppl would be interested i think !

[debinlcfl]

That's phenomenal.

[phasma]

That's phenomenal.

I thought so !

[citizenx]

I read about this, too.  It is fascinating even if it was in the wrong place.

I have time to read about science, too.  Really, it's my first love.

[Femacamper]

I read about this, too.  It is fascinating even if it was in the wrong place.

I have time to read about science, too.  Really, it's my first love.

I wish there was a parallel dimension where the NWO did not exist.

[Shroom!]

Hi folks, first post

The whole dark flow thing is indeed fascinating. Can anyone point me in the direction of some more good vids / reading material on the subject?

[Jackson Holly]

Hi folks, first post

The whole dark flow thing is indeed fascinating. Can anyone point me in the direction of some more good vids / reading material on the subject?

These "scientists" continue to invent INVISIBLE stuff - black holes, dark matter, multi-universes (sic), 'dark' flow and on-and-on - to cover up the complete failure of their ridiculous 'systems'.

[Devotional Soul]

The Srimad Bhagavatam explains that there are unlimited universes, but we cannot see beyond the one we are in, it's like a universal bubble or egg.  It also says that we can't even see the higher planets in this universe that are beyond our dimensional plane.  There are also 'shadow planets', that can cause shadows, but are invisible from our dimension.  The closest ones to Earth are called Rahu and Ketu, which is what this article sounds like it is describing.  Someday modern scientists and astronomers will catch up with ancient scriptures.

[Shroom!]

Devotional Soul, that all sounds very interesting. Can you elaborate or steer me towards some literature?

[Jackson Holly]

Universe means all that is ... the one big thing.

[Modithorsson]

These "scientists" continue to invent INVISIBLE stuff - black holes, dark matter, multi-universes (sic), 'dark' flow and on-and-on - to cover up the complete failure of their ridiculous 'systems'.

Just a note, a Black Hole isn't 'invisible'. For it to be invisible science should have no way to detect them, and they do. The gravitational effects (however there is now speculaton that is an actual maximum entropy object) can be seen when objects enter the event horizon.  If black holes were invisible, a black hole passing in front of other stars wouldnt effect us seeing them, and it does.  Black holes don't emit light and space is pitch black so you can't see it with the naked eye.

Also black holes produce massive gamma ray bursts at times from the event horizon which can clearly be seen.



As for dark flow, it is a very interesting idea.

However right however, as with most of the of these types of theory, proving it will be hard.  Just trying to determine if dark matter is real is requiring a large lab at the bottom of a mine shaft.

[Jackson Holly]

Modithorsson:

Black holes don't emit light

Modithorsson:  welcome to the forum BTW!


Doesn't the "scientific" community preach these so-called "black holes"
exist at the center of galaxies?

Black holes, black matter et al, were invented to help explain the absence of enough matter
in the universe to hold it together via the weak force of gravity only.

Believing such nonsense as black this and black that leads you down the rabbit hole
of believing that galaxy clusters are zipping along at 2.2 MILLIONS OF MILES PER HOUR.
That is about 37,000 Miles Per Second. LOL!   

"In 2008 scientists reported the discovery of hundreds of galaxy clusters streaming in the same direction at more than 2.2 million miles (3.6 million kilometers) an hour."

[Modithorsson]

Modithorsson:
Modithorsson:  welcome to the forum BTW!


Doesn't the "scientific" community preach these so-called "black holes"
exist at the center of galaxies?

Black holes, black matter et al, were invented to help explain the absence of enough matter
in the universe to hold it together via the weak force of gravity only.

From what I understand Block holes where not invented to explain why there is not enough matter in the universe, that was dark matter, dark energy and dark flow. The DARK in their names is to represent why we cannot see them and confirm existence.  They have no interaction with matter and therefore cannot be oberserved directly or indirectly and we cannot use any current technology for measurement for discovery, but a black hole does and can.

A Black Hole can be measured and viewed indirectly. Such an example is Cygnus X-1, the first black hole discovered which is located in the Cygnus constellation. It was ruled out as a neutron star due to its mass related to its size, the mass is around 8.5 times that of the sun.  It is also a binary system and a supergaint star, HDE 226868, orbits it with the solar wind ejecting matter that can be measured entering the acceleration disk of the black hole and then the event horizon.  It was actually discovered from a rocket launch due to the massive amount of X-Rays it puts out, and not via theory.

The Supermassive Black Hole is believed to be created at the start of galaxy formation, and is directly related to the creation of galaxies allowing the clumping of gass outside the entire to form star clusters and star nurseries.  The region Sagittarius A* at the centre of our galaxy is a likely location for a supermassive black hole.  There are astronomical phenomoen that can be measured which is what has lead the to the likelyhood that it is a supermassive black hole. 

I was nearly about to go into a very long post about it, but you can easily find the info on astronomy sites etc which would be able to detail it better than me.

You know this is the first time ive seen black holes and dark matter put together as part of the same thing.

[Modithorsson]

Believing such nonsense as black this and black that leads you down the rabbit hole
of believing that galaxy clusters are zipping along at 2.2 MILLIONS OF MILES PER HOUR.
That is about 37,000 Miles Per Second. LOL! 

Whoops missed this bit.

umm, that calculation is wrong.

2,200,000 MPH is not 37,000 Miles per second

1 miles per hour = 0.000277777778 miles per second

0.000277777778 * 2,200,000

= 611.111 111 11  Miles Per Second.

Thats not fast.

186,000.00 MPS < light speed.

Thats fast.

The fact galaxy clusters are moving apart can be measured, as can their speed, thats all general mathematics.  What this whole DARK business is trying to do is give a reason why they are... which is pure speculation about the mechanisms why.

[Jackson Holly]

My point I was trying to make about black holes at the center of galaxies ... the center is BRIGHT ... not a BLACK hole.

~~~~~~~~

A Black Hole can be measured and viewed indirectly.

Really?

~~~~~~~~

2,200,000 MPH is not 37,000 Miles per second

1 miles per hour = 0.000277777778 miles per second

0.000277777778 * 2,200,000

= 611.111 111 11  Miles Per Second.

LOL! Sorry you are right ... my number is miles per minute! Not quite as ridiculous as I thought!

I guess if you have faith in the "red shift", though, no velocity would be questionable.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I had a similar discussion with another member just a few days ago on another thread.
Please go here http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162575.msg966844#msg966844
and follow our conversation for a couple pages. I don't want to re-state the same arguments. That will give us a starting point. 

[Modithorsson]

My point I was trying to make about black holes at the center of galaxies ... the center is BRIGHT ... not a BLACK hole.

The Mass of the black hole is massive but space taken up isn't huge.  If i remember right the one supposed for our galaxy has a massive of 4.1 million suns and has a diameter of  44 million kilometers, however to put that into perspective, the Earth is 150 million KM from the sun.  Therefore you can have a lot of very old and also bright stars at the centre of the galaxy along with the black hole as long as they don't pass into the gravitational well.

Really?

you can't 'see' a black hole directly as even light can't break the gravitational field. However you can see how it effects other objects, kind of like how you can't see the wind, but you can see how it effects clouds, sand, water etc.

The black hole will effect anything around it. For instance if a sun gets locked into orbit and is close enough it will feed off that sun, Cygnus X-1 is a good example of this as the black hole there feeds off a supergiant star.  Black Hole accretion disk, its a big disk of gas spinning at high speed, gives off heat and light before the gas falls into the event horizon.  As matter gets pulled into the black hole it will enter the accretion disk and speed up, as it speeds up it will give off light, including x-rays and gamma rays.  However the size is too small and gravitational forces are too big for a star, supergiant, pulsar or neutron star.

*i put acceleration disk in my first post as i can't spell for toffee and constantly mix up words- gotta love being dyslexic.

LOL! Sorry you are right ... my number is miles per minute! Not quite as ridiculous as I thought!

I guess if you have faith in the "red shift", though, no velocity would be questionable.


I had a similar discussion with another member just a few days ago on another thread.
Please go here http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=162575.msg966844#msg966844
and follow our conversation for a couple pages. I don't want to re-state the same arguments. That will give us a starting point. 

Always up for a good read but right now I don't have time. I'll read it later tho i have skimmed somewhat.

I fully accept that science can be wrong, i don't think we have all the answers.  If it can be proved einstein is wrong, so be it.

I am not like Trypt, i never did it astromony at college or university (should have, I was better at it than computers lol) but i have continued reading that, psyhics and everything i can get my head around.

[phasma]

Dark matter was postulated to exist because there simply is not enough normal "light" (visible) matter in the observable universe.

Black Holes do indeed exist. The centre of many galaxies - our milk way included often contain super massive black holes.
The one in the Milky Way is called Cygnus X1 - Its a monster!
Black holes do actually emit some things - xray jets for example can be seen extending many light years from the black holes - like a pulsar this signal swithces on and off. Hawking radiation also comes out of black holes .
The centre of a galaxy is often seen to be bright - the OP was right.
There is a simple reason why a black hole might create a bright halo around it - its friction.
The milky way is a spiral galaxy - the "arms" are spiral due to the gravitational pull of the black hole in the centre. The Black hole cause the entire galaxy to spin. We - being near the end of one such spiral arm - move slower than those further in. The nearer you get to the centre - the stronger gravitational pull - and the faster things rotate.
As things get very close to the eveny horizon they are orbiting at enormous speeds - objects collide and get smashed up, gases are releases. The friction and speed causes the gas to heat up. the hotter it gets the more light is emitted.
If you look at some pictures of the centre of the galaxy you will see clearly - a dark area - that is the black hole.
Actually I dislike the term black hole - i think it is misleading and confusing - black "holes" are indeed dark - but they are in actuality spherical (balls) of super compressed matter.

[Jackson Holly]

I know all the goofy descriptions and rambling nonsensical proofs of rabbit black holes. I bought Hawking's A Brief History of Time on the first day it was available back in the day. He is a great man who has maintained against incredible physical odds ... but he does not work in the real world ... he, and others of course, have flushed reason and common sense down the swirling event horizon known as a toilet.

They are mathematicians, eager to create mindf*ks to wow their colleagues, but which have no real meaning beyond mental calisthenics. Their raison d'etre is to create ever more phantasmic theories (should I say leaps of imagination?) to bolster a failed Einsteinian system. In fact, I feel sure old Albert is turning over in his grave about now.

Their BIG BANG went bust years ago ... but for fear of losing reputations and big govt dollars they keep pushing this crap, which exists only in their own minds and some arcane mathematical model ....

[phasma]

I know all the goofy descriptions and rambling nonsensical proofs of rabbit black holes. I bought Hawking's A Brief History of Time on the first day it was available back in the day. He is a great man who has maintained against incredible physical odds ... but he does not work in the real world ... he, and others of course, have flushed reason and common sense down the swirling event horizon known as a toilet.

They are mathematicians, eager to create mindf*ks to wow their colleagues, but which have no real meaning beyond mental calisthenics. Their raison d'etre is to create ever more phantasmic theories (should I say leaps of imagination?) to bolster a failed Einsteinian system. In fact, I feel sure old Albert is turning over in his grave about now.

Their BIG BANG went bust years ago ... but for fear of losing reputations and big govt dollars they keep pushing this crap, which exists only in their own minds and some arcane mathematical model ....


With Respect - You Are entitled To Believe in Whatever You Like - But - This Stuff has Been Pretty Well Proven !
Mathematics Don`t Lie !
Einsteins Theory Had "Holes" (Not The Black Kind!) In It - Sure
He Was A Genius - But He Couldnt Do Everything !
The Work After That Has Been An Attempt To "Fill In The Holes" And To Further Explain Things As It Became Obvious That Further Equations Were Needed To Explain New Found data.

If There is not a black hole causing the milky way (and other observable galaxies) to rotate - then, what do you postulate is?

[Michal Ptacnik]

Truth be told, the Black Holes, if it was not for the unfortunate business with their ability to catch all light, would probably be superbright, no?

[phasma]

Maybe. I think if light could escape then their gravity would be much less and so their "pulling" power and the friction / heat / light that creates would be less - so maybe they would not be so bright?

not sure though.

[Jackson Holly]

phasma:

Dark matter was postulated to exist because there simply is not enough normal "light" (visible) matter in the observable universe.

Well, this is the crux of the problem, don't you see? The Big Bangers knew
from day one that there appeared far too little matter in the universe to
mechanically/gravitationally slow things down enough to allow for the
universe we observe ... less than one tenth of one percent as I remember.
In their Big Bang model matter would be blown outward to infinity, never
coalescing, unable to organize itself into the highly organized form we see
... gravity is not NEARLY strong enough a force. They invented 'super-gravity'
and 'anti-matter', and black energy, multi-verses and .........

So instead of abandoning the ridiculous BIG BANG model as reason dictates
they created the Dark Matter God ... invisible, undetectable but all pervasive.

~~~~~~~~~~

phasma:

This Stuff has Been Pretty Well Proven !

The science is decided! Where have I heard THAT before.   

~~~~~~~~~~

If There is not a black hole causing the milky way (and other observable galaxies) to rotate - then, what do you postulate is?

1.) Phasma ... have you ever taken a couple of silk shirts out of the dryer and they are
clinging together like crazy?

2.) Nature organizes itself geometrically ... there is a will to organize.

3.) There was no beginning.

~~~~~~~~~~~

[Dig]

3.) There was no beginning.

Dude, you just blew my mind (and I was trying to stay out of it!).

[Shroom!]

Dude, you just blew my mind (and I was trying to stay out of it!).

If you abandon the concept of linear time, the concept of no beginning is plausable

[Devotional Soul]

Devotional Soul, that all sounds very interesting. Can you elaborate or steer me towards some literature?

I was summing up a lot of reading from the Srimad Bhagavatam, which is also called the Bhagavata Purana.  The first 5 cantos describe creation, the universes, and the spiritual sky beyond.  The 5th canto goes into detail about astronomy.  You can read it online here: http://srimadbhagavatam.com/en1

Here a book and video by an astronomer who has explained the cosmology of the Bhagavatam:

Mysteries of the Sacred Universe video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-538297875584368796#

Mysteries of the Sacred Universe book:
http://www.amazon.com/Mysteries-Sacred-Universe-Richard-Thompson/dp/0963530933

Wiki has a pretty good compilation of verses from it about multiverses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse_(religion)

[Jackson Holly]

Dude, you just blew my mind (and I was trying to stay out of it!).

3.) There was no beginning.

I came to this personal conclusion some time ago ... and it was the impetus for my
rejection of the Big Bang and all that entails. For me it is a straightforward question:
either finite or infinite.     

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

2.) Nature organizes itself geometrically ... there is a will to organize.

   

This realization is also a mind-blower for me. I have pondered for a long time about
the geometry of life ... that's wondrous and magical enough ... but  even more amazing
is the geometry apparent of damn near everything, living and non-living, on every scale.

I realized that nature "organizes" itself ... think here about what we call 'cymatics'. 
Matter 'reacts' to sound 'waves' and organizes itself. Does it 'react' to other 'stimuli'
to organize itself? Is there a will to organize? I now believe there is ... but I
am unsure if the 'will' lies in the 'matter' or the external 'stimuli'.

CYMATICS:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=150823.msg965111#msg965111

I do not see the 'laws' of nature ... I see the 'will' of nature.

I do not accept nor deny God in the traditional sense here. Substitute God for 'Nature'
or for 'matter' or for 'stimuli' in my rant and I would be perfectly happy. 

[Michal Ptacnik]

You're SOOO gonna be called a NWO puppet for accepting Cymatics. And they will be SOOO wrong them who call you thus.

[Femacamper]

3.) There was no beginning.

Correction. There was a beginning, but God existed before even time existed. He always has been, always is, and always will be. Here was the first day:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

-- Genesis 1:1-5

[phasma]

Things do have a tendency to become less chaotic over time. true.
BUT
If there was no beginning - why is everything moving outwards from a singular point?
Also
Why are stars dying at a relatively high observable rate - ? surely by now if there was no beginning then all the stars would have burned out a long time ago, and the universe would be much bigger, with more space between everything and less likihood that any gas any where would reach a sufficient density to ignite and form new stars?
answer me that or point me to a place i can find an answer and i might accept there was no beginning !

I heard this the other day - i liked it so i`ll share it:

Things are not as they appear to be - nor are they otherwise.

It comes from some sutra somewhere. Apt i think.

[Jackson Holly]

PHASMA:

Things do have a tendency to become less chaotic over time. true.
BUT
If there was no beginning - why is everything moving outwards from a singular point?
Also
Why are stars dying at a relatively high observable rate - ? surely by now if there was no beginning then all the stars would have burned out a long time ago, and the universe would be much bigger, with more space between everything and less likihood that any gas any where would reach a sufficient density to ignite and form new stars?
answer me that or point me to a place i can find an answer and i might accept there was no beginning !

I heard this the other day - i liked it so i`ll share it:

Things are not as they appear to be - nor are they otherwise.

It comes from some sutra somewhere. Apt i think.

Do you believe then that the universe is FINITE ... it has a beginning and an end? That is
the dominant view I know, prevalent in many religions ... a GOD creates everything that is, then brings it all to an end. In a real sense, the Big Bang, fits with this view ... that is
limiting time and space.

We tend to feel more comfortable with the finite, I believe, because we, ourselves, are finite entities, at least in the physical sense. We are born, we live and we die ... so must everything. 

However, to me that does not seem to be the case ... it is infinite ... space goes on forever in all directions, and time is truly eternal.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

T H E  B I G  B A N G

Proponents of this concept posit that all matter in the universe was 'in the beginning'
in a huge, highly condensed lump ... that the lump exploded, sending
matter out into space with incredible force and speed. Eventually, because of gravitation, the matter slowed down enough to begin coalescing into largely spherical
shapes, and into galaxies, etc (forgive my colloquial descriptions).

It seems that most of these Big Bangers expected to find sufficient matter in the Universe that the outward expansion would slow down and that the matter would eventually fall back toward the center to again form into a primordial lump ... to only explode again ... and again ... and again, ad infinitum.

However, they found out soon enough that there was NOT sufficient
matter to bring about the recurrent fall back to center ... and that there was
not sufficient matter even to create the ordered universe that we see.
Thus began the march toward the Alice in Wonderland universe of late 20th Century.

~ ~ ~   O O O   ~ ~ ~

The Big Bang ALWAYS had serious problems and ferocious adversaries ... but
for whatever reasons, this is the explanation that the "SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT"
went with and tried like the devil to make it reasonable ever since, driving
any nay-sayers off the stage and underground.

~ O ~

T H E  R E D  S H I F T

At the center of this controversy is RED SHIFT - that is studying the color of light
to determine distance and velocity. Please go here first and read my former post on another thread:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=156856.msg934071#msg934071

~ O ~

Then go here and read about HALTON ARP (Hubble's colleague) and his
exploding of the Big Bang/Red Shift Theory.

http://www.electric-cosmos.org/arp.htm

 ... and to further establish his credentials
go here to read a book of Arp's ~> ATLAS OF PECULIAR GALAXIES:

http://nedwww.ipac.caltech.edu/level5/Arp/frames.html

 ~ ~O~ ~

[phasma]

JH - I have no opinion either way - but proof leans me more to believe that the universe is currently expanding (Yes, red shift data) - and logic would say that previously then it had to be smaller no?
If it was smaller then further back, it must have been smaller . . and smaller still, and smaller still, up to a point where it is so small it is a finite point !
it could be that this universe is unique, and it just formed, and it will continue to spread out in all directions infinitely.
BUT
If that were true - then -
all matter that would ever exist would already be within that universe - and by getting bigger and bigger this universe would be essentially doomed - everything would spread out to such an extent that nothing new would be able to form !
so we would all be doomed to vanish into a vast abyss of nothingness. Along with any other life in the universe.
also - there is no proof that there is only this universe. Just because we (on our little rock ) percieve that "the universe" means everything - doesnt make it so !
There could be as many universes as there are stars in the sky !
Our entire universe could in fact be the size of an atom !
do we really have proof that it isnt?
I dont know either way - but i think paralell universes - multi-verses are an interesting possibility.
They would I think explain some things like (random example) spirits / ghost siting etc
Of course all this is academic as this point will probably not be settled any time soon !
You might be right - BUT - is it possible that there was a "Big Bang" ?
I myself am quite interested in the cycling universe theory - big bang - big crunch - big bang admittedly because i like this theory more than the empty space theory which seems , well, pointless !

[Jackson Holly]

^ ^ ^


Thanks phasma for a great discussion ... we are explaining the cosmos,
right here on the Prison Planet Forum.   

You know, we may not be as far apart on some of these points as we
thought ... but the red shift data is key to make or break the big bang
theory (and that data is very problematical). Once that concept of an
'expanding' universe from a central point is jettisoned, then you begin
to see the other, more sensible possibilities ... new, more reasonable,
more common sense, user friendly explanations present themselves.

~~~~~~ o o o ~~~~~~~

Question: How does the human brain come into being? How does it work?

I've said often that the best analogy for my view of the universe is the human brain.
The brain consists of hundreds of billions of specialized nerve cells ... "In the developing brain, stem cells give birth to hundreds of billions of specialized cells that form intricate networks with trillions of connections." The neurons communicate electro/chemically through these 'networks', passing information over considerable distances.


http://opa.yale.edu/news/article.aspx?id=7376


As far as we know, the brain is the 'crown of creation' ... definitely the most advanced
'creation' that we are aware of. Why would the brain NOT mimic the 'universe' ... or
the 'nerve center' of the universe. Why would the human brain NOT be a replica in
microcosm of the intelligent universe in macrocosm?

Imagine an infinite brain/intelligence, with, " .... hundreds of billions of specialized cells that form intricate networks with trillions of connections." The human brain is 'informed',
it follows a 'pattern' (think DNA), it is 'programmed' ... it is electric. Why would not this
other, macrocosmic network of 'cells' do the same?

~ 000 ~

Hold that thought as you read this piece ...


 Is the Universe Electric?

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/archives/goodspeed08/042208_is_the_universe_electric.htm

~~~ O O O ~~~

[xfahctor]

It's good to see a decent discusion here like this once in a while...refreshing break from 2012, HAARP, planet x and other junk....good post...well done.

[citizenx]

Last month. scientists discovered a billion news stars.  They now believe the universe is at least ten times bigger thatn previuosly thought.  Amazing stuff!

In some ways, it is an incredible age we live in.

The best of times...

[Shroom!]

My ultimate wish is to go into space. I know the chances are miniscule, unless I come up with a quater million or something and go on a Richard Branson space flight in a few years. Above anything else though, going to space is my number one dream. I wish I could set my sights lower

[feeditup]

String theory/M theory  prity wild


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7FV9aaiwKQ

[Jackson Holly]

More utter NONSENSE ... on a GALACTIC SCALE!   

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1705&cateegory=Science

M82 Galaxy's Mysterious Radio Waves

(EXCERPT)

© 2010 by Linda Moulton Howe
 

    “The new object, which appeared in May 2009,
    has left us scratching our heads — we've never seen anything
    quite like this before.” - Tom Muxlow, Ph.D.,
    U. K. Jodrell Centre for Astrophysics

~~~



M82 is a “starburst” galaxy 10 million light-years
from our Milky Way galaxy. The mysterious radio wavelengths
appeared very suddenly, have persisted and have never been seen
before in our galaxy. Supernova explosions in the core of the galaxy
have produced a hot wind which can be seen escaping in this
infra-red image where dust emission is colored red.
Image by NASA/ESA/STScI/AURA.

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Black Holes, Einstein-Rosen Bridges
and Nested Universes?

If the mysterious M82 radio wave is coming from an intermediate-mass black hole's spinning accretion disc and strong jet, could that black hole be dragging material from this universe into yet another universe contained in an Einstein-Rosen Bridge between the black hole and a white hole?


That very idea was published this month in Physics Letters B. From Albert Einstein’s general relativity came the concept of a white  hole connected to a black hole by a wormhole called an “Einstein-Rosen bridge.”




The “mouth” in one part of space outside wormhole is swallowing matter
into a black hole wormhole through the “throat” to come out of a white hole in another
space outside the Einstein-Rosen bridge, perhaps even creating a “new universe.”

Hypothetically, the white hole could be the time reversal of its companion black hole. Now, an Indiana University physicist suggests that ALL astrophysical black holes might have Einstein-Rosen bridges and each might contain a new universe inside that formed simultaneously with the black hole. “From that it follows that our universe could have itself formed from inside a black hole existing inside another universe.”

Could universes be stacked inside black holes and each other like Russian nesting dolls in which several dolls of decreasing sizes are placed one inside the other?

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1277858/Super-massive-black-hole-flung-distant-galaxy.html

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Super-massive black hole
is flung out of distant galaxy

By Daily Mail Reporter

Astronomers believe they have found a super-massive black hole that has been flung out of a distant galaxy at high speed.

Normally each galaxy, like our own Milky Way, contains a super-massive black hole at its centre.

The material that falls into black holes heats up dramatically on its final journey and often means that black holes are strong X-ray sources.


The red circle indicates where scientists believe the black hole to be. It is far from the galaxy's centre

Such objects are visible to astronomers as star-like points because X-rays penetrate through obscuring dust and gas.

Student Marianne Heida discovered a unusually located black hole more than half a billion light years away.

She found it when she was comparing hundreds of thousands of sources of X-rays with the positions of millions of galaxies as part of a project at Utrecht University.

The super-massive black hole, within the Chandra Source Catalogue, was not at the centre of its system as she expected but was instead set to one side.

Black holes can weigh more than one billion times the mass of the Sun. Such heavy objects could only have travelled this far from their galaxy's centre if they had recoiled at a considerable speed.



Two black holes may have merged to create the force needed to fling the new black hole out from the centre of the galaxy (artist's impression)

This could have been caused by two black holes merging, which would have shot out the newly formed black hole.

Ms Heida said: 'We have found even more of this strange class of X-ray sources. However, for these objects we first of all need accurate measurements from Nasa's Chandra satellite to pinpoint them more precisely.'

Finding more recoiling black holes will provide a better understanding of the characteristics of black holes before they merge.

In future, it might even be possible to observe this process with the planned LISA satellite due to launch in 2020. Astronomers hope to use this satellite to measure the gravity waves that the two merging black holes emit.

Ultimately this information must tell us if super-massive black holes in the cores of galaxies are the result of many lighter black holes merging.

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