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« Reply #160 on: August 27, 2010, 04:25:56 PM »

Who is behind all of this anti-Arab, and anti-Muslim hysteria and fear-mongering that we have seen over the past few months? The same propagandists who sold us the official September 11, 2001 cover story, that's who!

It's a good thing that so many Israelis were on hand on the day of September 11, 2001 to explain the terror attacks to America and the Western world before US intelligence and their counterparts had a chance to investigate and conclude who really staged the attacks.

Here's a great video of Israelis explaining the 9/11 terror attacks to the BBC on the day of the attacks, with seemingly pre-prepared scripts that named the culprit, implicated the entire Arab and Muslim world (and calling for war) before any investigation of the attacks ever took place:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxcX5XrT2E

A War Against the West - published on 9-11-2001 by Israeli Institute IASPS

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Vatic Note: Its amazing how fast the head of IASPS (The Israeli Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies) got this out on the day of the attack on 9-11.  We did not even know at this point who had done the attack.  So how did they know?   Remember, Israeli's inside the twin towers were warned to leave.  So, this added to those other facts, shows they not only knew but were intimately involved in the full scope of the treasonous murder of American civilians.   Hmmmm, and now with all the evidence that Mossad was in part a player in the 9-11 false flag along with our treasonous insiders, this document truly highlights the intent of that event and what they expected to gain from it. No wonder those Mossad agents were celebrating on top of that van as they filmed the entire event. Look at how IASPS interpreted what they had done and blamed on the muslims. Is it clever? yes, but arrogance carries its own price. Its obvious this was all prepared before anyone ever knew who had done 9-11 until that evening and not before.


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A War Against the West - published on 9-11-2001 by Israeli Institute IASPS
by Robert J. Loewenberg, President, IASPS

Today's sensational attacks on the U. S., certainly by Muslims who were likely Arabs, are being described as "terrorist" acts by "madmen" for example by Chris Patton, EU. Others seeking an academic perspective along the lines of Sam Huntington, see the attacks as a new bi-polar division between Muslims and Western states and culture. Our reading at the Institute for Advanced Strategic & Political Studies (Jerusalem and Washington, D. C.) is these attacks are the beginning of a struggle against the West in which the source or cause is primarily the West itself, a group of societies divided internally by an array of factors.

Practically speaking, residents of New York and Washington, D. C. as well as other U.S. cities can now expect routine terrorist assaults ranging from individual terrorist assaults, suicide bombings, germ and chemical attacks in subways and buildings. The existence in the U.S. of legal and tax exempt Arab and Muslim groups, for example CAIR, can be expected to fund and participate in, and most of all to defend these attacks while holding up their opponents as racist.

The strategic, military effect of this struggle against the West, presently most visible in the Middle East and concerning Islam and Arabs, finds its "advanced case" in Israel.  Just as Israel has been the object of an Arab undertaking, supported in the West (and most of all in Israel itself and among Jews) to extinguish, cruelly and barbarically to be sure by Arabs and Muslims,  Israel's national existence, the assault today on the U.S. was driven by this same wish or hope to exterminate a nation and its people, and for which the source of support and complicity, grotesquely, resides in the West among its rulers and elites. In other words, what makes this effort a signal one in addition to being genocidal, is that its cause (to be distinguished from its executors) is not Arabs or Muslims or per Huntington, Islam.

Today's opening assault in a war to destroy Western states is marked by two Western strategies respecting Israel and the West -by Israel and the West.

These strategies are 1) to establish among states and peoples as their leading principle that national existence is an option, particularly one that should be exercised against national existence and the balance of power by means of "conflict resolution," cessation of "violence,"  by peace processes, treaties, moral equivalence and a host of similar undertakings to which Israel (and Jews) and the larger West are committed, and, 2) a strategy with respect to war and alliance which rejects the solution of conflicts, as in Ireland, Israel, Kosovo, by the victory of one side, the defeat and surrender of the other. The mantra: "there is no military solution to the conflict," is at once the rejection of this simple response -victory, defeat, surrender -and, so far as such events can be "caused" by words and ideas --the direct cause of today's attacks and their certain continuation.

Again, Israel is the "advanced case." In a series of wars beginning in 1948, Israel has won by trading its final battle for a cease fire, an armistice and dollars. This is to say, Israel traded victory, surrender of the other side(s) and, of course, peace, borders, "neighbors"  for what it has today-a peace process. This trade included what the U.S.  experienced today and can expect to continue, indeed until victory or defeat.

We in the West, today in New York and Washington, D. C., are paying our price for supporting Israel's "advanced case" of the affliction of the West. Our "pro-Israel" support of the Jewish state's attempt to accommodate the Arabs instead of defeating them and establishing rational peace was perhaps a Western attempt to "buy off" our own day of reckoning for failure to face up to the obligations of self-defense and national existence.

If there is a simple, strategic "explanation" of today's attacks on the U.S. it is this: the U.S. and the West, along with Israel, have insisted, at least since September 1993, that the Palestinian Problem has "no military solution." At the end of the day, and after all the pundits are talked out in matters of "violence" and "peace" and the rest, the attack on the Twin Towers, the Pentagon (and the other assaults to come in what is now a serious if newfangled war) -which resulted in the hideous and unspeakable deaths of thousands of innocent souls, American citizens who have been effectively betrayed -these deaths were triggered by the peace process in Israel (and other peace processes) and by the very people and institutions of the West that are today making the speeches about "madmen" and "terrorism."  The proximate charge of murder is on the murderers. The wider charge is on the West itself.


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A key word in the article is "today's," but left unsaid was the time of day. The author of that article, Robert Loewenberg, is a dual citizen of the U.S. and Israel. Israel, where his bio says he now lives, is in an earlier time zone. When the first plane hit the World Trade Center, it was 3:45 P.M. in Israel. Israel evacuated its embassies at 5:54 P.M. Israel time. At 9:00 P.M. Israeli time, an FBI spokesman told CNN that they were "working on the assumption" that the crashes were part of a terrorist attack. At 11:00 P.M. Israeli time, Osama bin Laden was named as a suspect, based on "new and specific information." Earlier suggestions that Muslims or Arabs were involved in the attacks had been reported as "unconfirmed." At 3:30 A.M. September 12 Israeli time, Bush addressed the nation but doesn't identify the attackers. As he speaks, member of Congress tell CNN during "private briefings" that there's "enough evidence" to convince them that Osama bin Laden was behind the attacks. At 6:30 A.M. September 12 Israeli time, Bush wrote in his journal "The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today....We THINK it's Osama bin Laden." (emphasis added)Loewenberg's article was obviously well prepared; it had to have taken hours to write. Given the time line, those were hours he didn't have. Prior knowledge? You bet.



We all remember CNN's "Dancing Palestinians" stock footage being played endlessly with no context of what we were actually seeing, right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZiUUjnI58

Remember the words from Sivan Kurzberg one of the five "Dancing Israelis" arrested on 9/11, right?


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‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."
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« Reply #161 on: August 31, 2010, 03:54:33 AM »



Anthony Hilder - Illuminazi 9/11
http://www.archive.org/details/Illuminazi

Weeks after 9/11 Anthony published this video!

From the video:



Who benefits from this atrocity?

Islam?

Israel?

Or is it those who wish to establish a NEW WORLD ORDER on the smoldering ashes of American Sovereignty?

There's been a greater assault on our Bill of Rights in the past 120 days than in the past 200 years. Who'll call for a police state? Who'll call for martial law? Who'll call for national ID cards to give us "security?" It won't be Bin Laden. Are we watching the Nazi-ization of our true nation?

In this 86 - minute volcanic video, former FBI chief agent Ted Gunderson blows the lid off the "FBLies" involvement in the 1993 Trade Center bombing. THEY SET IT UP! Illuminati historian Jordan Maxwell, publisher Clayton Douglas at The Free American, Gunderson and Anthony J. Hilder are calling the attack at the U.S. an "inside job." America has been suckered one more time. This video will shake and shock you into a reality check.

"You're right! We are witnessing the Nazi-ization of this Nation. More Rights & Freedoms have been lost in the last 120 days through Executive Orders & our cowardly Congress than were lost in the past 200 years. Illuminazi 9-11 tells it all in clear, precise terms. This is the beginning of World War III. Make no mistake about it."
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« Reply #162 on: August 31, 2010, 12:36:07 PM »



Do you have any proof of that outrageous claim? Has anyone from 4chan or Anon hacked WUFYS and produced their evidence that either proves or suggests that WUFYS are an FBI related front?

Why are you attacking a site that is bringing forth even more evidence of Israeli forknowledge of 9/11 instead of addressing the evidence that they've brought forward?

Who benefits from this atrocity?

Islam?

Israel?


Well it certainly wasn't Islam!

It would seem to any honest researcher glaringly obvious that Israel was the primary and direct benefactor of 9/11, especially since their leaders and paid propagandasts love to brag openly about how great it was for their country and how the attack was used to help Americans understand what real terror was all about.





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« Reply #163 on: August 31, 2010, 01:58:53 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aGJlXuavk

The growing of people who point the finger at the clear and obvious benefactors of 9/11
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« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2010, 03:50:32 PM »

It was the elites in control of Wajabbi dictators and Israeli neocons.

Hey who is that guy next to Guiliani?

Is he benefiting from 9/11?

What happened to him when the elites thought he was getting to big for his britches?
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« Reply #165 on: August 31, 2010, 03:57:31 PM »

It was the elites in control of Wajabbi dictators and Israeli neocons.

Hey who is that guy next to Guiliani?

Is he benefiting from 9/11?

What happened to him when the elites thought he was getting to big for his britches?


Sharon most likely got the Yitzhak Rabin treatment. Bibi knows who's benefitting from 9/11 and he's more than happy to tell America exactly who. Lemme know when you can drum up some proof on your outrageous claim that WUFUS is a cointelpro front.

Besides, WUFUS wasn't the original blog that posted the IASPS report it was this blog:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/08/war-against-west-published-on-9-11-2001.html
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« Reply #166 on: August 31, 2010, 04:06:25 PM »

Sharon most likely got the Yitzhak Rabin treatment. Bibi knows who's benefitting from 9/11 and he's more than happy to tell America exactly who. Lemme know when you can drum up some proof on your outrageous claim that WUFUS is a cointelpro front.

Besides, WUFUS wasn't the original blog that posted the IASPS report it was this blog:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/08/war-against-west-published-on-9-11-2001.html

Well Rabin and Sadat were trying to further peace and that was not in the cards for the dutch anglo elite so they had to go.

here is something you may not be aware of...


The Modern Anglo-Dutch Empire: its Origins, Evolution, and AntiHuman Outlook
Robert D. Ingraham


Exactly!



Now if you were to speech to text those books, the NWO would be pretty damaged.
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« Reply #167 on: August 31, 2010, 09:35:42 PM »

Well Rabin and Sadat were trying to further peace and that was not in the cards for the dutch anglo elite so they had to go.

here is something you may not be aware of...

Now if you were to speech to text those books, the NWO would be pretty damaged.


I was not aware of this at all and I will be looking into it to determine the veracity of the information therin, however I did a few keyword searchs and here's what I found:

Keyword search "Zionism"

Quote from:
Reading has finished searching the document. No matches were found

Keyword search "Rothschild"

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During the 19th century, the bank maintained an incestuous relationship with the large private
banks, i.e., Rothschild, Davillier, Mallet, Hottinguer, etc.. However, its primary role was as an asset ofthe Bank of England

That's all we get for Rothschild? Hell even AJ goes further than one casual mention!

Keyword search "Jews"

Quote from:
Or, take the case of George Soros, who, when questioned about his role as a Nazi collaborator in
1944 Budapest, where he helped to strip condemned Jews of their possessions, stated that he felt no guilt about this whatsoever:

Ah yes, again with the eternal victims.

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Hitler took 12 years to kill 6 million Jews.

6 million Jews killed during World War 2 is a proven lie and it is only for fear of reprisals that otherwise astute researchers of history adhere to the 6 million story.

Keyword search "Israel"

Quote from:
Reading has finished searching the document. No matches were found.

What this tells me is that, while this document is probably correct in the majority of it's assessments, it is leaving out a HUGE, overwhelming part of the conspiracy, more than likely on purpose. I'd say it is using a strategic blame shift in saying that the conspiracy is an Anglo-Duttch Empire and not a Zionist World Empire, which all current indicators show that it is. But I will research this in due time and compare this with some stuff I'm come across over the past few years.

I know that thirty or so years ago, Larouch's research, whom the writers say that they base their work on, new about the history of Zionism and Jewish supremacy, and wrote about it frequently. Then I think that the Zionists played the anti-Semite card and when that didn't work of course he was finally ruined financially and then imprisoned. How convenient. See, when you talk about the Anglo-Dutch establishment, you don't get financially ruined and imprisoned.

According to Larouche's bio, the Jews were on to him.

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Antony Lerman writes that LaRouche's overriding ideology is that, as LaRouche put it, "History is nothing but conspiracies," and that the main group behind the conspiracies are the Jews, mostly wealthy ones such as the Rothschilds. According to Lerman, LaRouche uses "the British" as a code for Jews to avoid being accused of anti-Semitism. LaRouche refers to this group as the "Zionist-British organism," and sees them as having "evolved through moral depravity and inbreeding into a separate species outside the human race," writes Lerman; the British, led by the Jews, are in control of terrorism and drug networks, and it is the mission of LaRouche's NCLC to wipe them out.[66] Daniel Pipes argues against Lerman that LaRouche's references to the British really are to the British, though he agrees that an alleged British-Jewish alliance lies at the heart of LaRouche's conspiracism.[67] George Johnson writes in The New York Times that the allegations fail to take into account that several members of LaRouche's inner circle are themselves Jewish.[68]

So this is why I automatically discount your Dutch-Anglo theory, but I will research it anyways.
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« Reply #168 on: August 31, 2010, 10:23:50 PM »

I was not aware of this at all and I will be looking into it to determine the veracity of the information therin, however I did a few keyword searchs and here's what I found:

Keyword search "Zionism"

Keyword search "Rothschild"

That's all we get for Rothschild? Hell even AJ goes further than one casual mention!

Keyword search "Jews"

Ah yes, again with the eternal victims.

6 million Jews killed during World War 2 is a proven lie and it is only for fear of reprisals that otherwise astute researchers of history adhere to the 6 million story.

Keyword search "Israel"

What this tells me is that, while this document is probably correct in the majority of it's assessments, it is leaving out a HUGE, overwhelming part of the conspiracy, more than likely on purpose. I'd say it is using a strategic blame shift in saying that the conspiracy is an Anglo-Duttch Empire and not a Zionist World Empire, which all current indicators show that it is. But I will research this in due time and compare this with some stuff I'm come across over the past few years.

I know that thirty or so years ago, Larouch's research, whom the writers say that they base their work on, new about the history of Zionism and Jewish supremacy, and wrote about it frequently. Then I think that the Zionists played the anti-Semite card and when that didn't work of course he was finally ruined financially and then imprisoned. How convenient. See, when you talk about the Anglo-Dutch establishment, you don't get financially ruined and imprisoned.

According to Larouche's bio, the Jews were on to him.

So this is why I automatically discount your Dutch-Anglo theory, but I will research it anyways.

Dude the way you qualify what to read is absolutely astonishing. wow
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« Reply #169 on: September 08, 2010, 04:41:11 PM »

believe it or not, it's actually all the things you've mentioned. Phoenecian-Venetian-Dutch-Anglo-(America/Israel). Study the Balfour Declaration. You might find it interesting

Albert Pike's 3rd world war letter, regardless of whether it's real or fake, illustrates the situation beautifully.
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« Reply #170 on: September 08, 2010, 08:40:13 PM »

believe it or not, it's actually all the things you've mentioned. Phoenecian-Venetian-Dutch-Anglo-(America/Israel). Study the Balfour Declaration. You might find it interesting

Albert Pike's 3rd world war letter, regardless of whether it's real or fake, illustrates the situation beautifully.

because it is fake, it illustrates the conditioning beautifully.

elite still stole $30 Trillion and are going to put people in death camps for BS copyright infringements among other BS international treaties.
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« Reply #171 on: September 08, 2010, 08:45:25 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8aGJlXuavk

The growing of people who point the finger at the clear and obvious benefactors of 9/11

one of the elite benefactors yet fails to point the fingers at the clear and obvious main benefactors of 9/11...the committee of 300, Bilderberg and the East India/West India Trading Companies.
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« Reply #172 on: September 09, 2010, 06:55:30 PM »

Well Rabin and Sadat were trying to further peace and that was not in the cards for the dutch anglo elite so they had to go.

here is something you may not be aware of...

Now if you were to speech to text those books, the NWO would be pretty damaged.


I've finished reading the Modern Dutch Anglo, not so much as to give a full book report and I have to say that it doesn't seem to have anything to do with current events much less 9/11. I don't see the relevance of posting this in a thread that clearly indicates Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 terror attacks.

It proved that there is a lot about history tat I don't know, but for the most part, it's focus stops at around the early 1800's. Then any documentation on the central banks speaks on generalities such as "modern banking charters were established by "private shareholders." Who were these "private shareholders?"

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Central Banking

To return to a basic theme of this work, the 1582 - 1763 Venice Amsterdam London
creation of modern private Central Banking was, in its nature, axiomatically, the opposite of the Renaissance
concept of the Commonwealth.

Furthermore, this document upholds Roosevelt as some kind of hero, when the Gold confiscation act happened under his puppet post.
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« Reply #173 on: September 09, 2010, 07:23:07 PM »

I've finished reading the Modern Dutch Anglo, not so much as to give a full book report and I have to say that it doesn't seem to have anything to do with current events much less 9/11. I don't see the relevance of posting this in a thread that clearly indicates Israeli foreknowledge of the 9/11 terror attacks.

It proved that there is a lot about history tat I don't know, but for the most part, it's focus stops at around the early 1800's. Then any documentation on the central banks speaks on generalities such as "modern banking charters were established by "private shareholders." Who were these "private shareholders?"

Furthermore, this document upholds Roosevelt as some kind of hero, when the Gold confiscation act happened under his puppet post.

astonishing book review.

how about tarpley's synthetic terror?

or what about committee of 300?

how about none dare call it a conspiracy?

what about Dope, Inc?

as far as israeli foreknowledge...damn straight!

here is more on all of the insane activities showing undeniable foreknowledge on that day:

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&day_of_9/11=dayOf911

There is also over 1,000 pieces of evidence of foreknowledge before that day.

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« Reply #174 on: September 09, 2010, 08:59:57 PM »

astonishing book review.

how about tarpley's synthetic terror?

or what about committee of 300?

how about none dare call it a conspiracy?

what about Dope, Inc?


What about them? I haven't read Tarpley's book yet.

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« Reply #175 on: September 09, 2010, 10:16:13 PM »

What about them? I haven't read Tarpley's book yet.



Almost every country's intelligence agencies knew that 9/11 was coming.

israeli neocons were "dancing" like crazy. ain't no doubt about that one.

but so was MI6, remnants of Gehlen's German Intel, Dope, Inc., Saudi Royalty, and many others.
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« Reply #176 on: September 09, 2010, 10:59:07 PM »

you do realize that wufys is an FBI/Hal Turner controlled provocateur site right?
Yes dude I was just posting their (NWO) spin - at least I for one am convinced that Israel / mossad was involved to a large extent.
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« Reply #177 on: September 10, 2010, 07:34:50 PM »

Almost every country's intelligence agencies knew that 9/11 was coming.

israeli neocons were "dancing" like crazy. ain't no doubt about that one.

but so was MI6, remnants of Gehlen's German Intel, Dope, Inc., Saudi Royalty, and many others.


Where do you think that they got their information from? Israelis got the inside track because they were shadowing the highjackers and had the Urban Moving Systems Mossad front in New Jersey. They were filming the attacks and there was a team of Israelis who were arrested with a van full of explosives. Listen to Jim Traficant and Cynthia McKinney; they will tell you that Israel controls America and they own the surveillance and spying systems in the US.
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« Reply #178 on: September 10, 2010, 10:47:55 PM »

Where do you think that they got their information from? Israelis got the inside track because they were shadowing the highjackers and had the Urban Moving Systems Mossad front in New Jersey. They were filming the attacks and there was a team of Israelis who were arrested with a van full of explosives. Listen to Jim Traficant and Cynthia McKinney; they will tell you that Israel controls America and they own the surveillance and spying systems in the US.

Well yeah with the blinders that may be all you have realized about 9/11. Of course that would require you to willfully deny the 10,000 other pieces of evidence ranging from the National Reconnaisance Office running plane in building drills, Ptech, the visa office in Jena, Able Danger, Bob Graham forewarnings, Rudy Dekers and the Venice Flying Circus, Cheney's stand down orders, Rothschild/Rockefeller debt creation, Deutche Bank put options, Atta's handler who is a Dutch terrorist, the flying out of the Bin Laden family, the contracts with the Bin Laden family, and about 1,000 other pieces of information. Perhaps it would be helpful for you to review Fabled Enemies and Core of Corruption again.

BTW - Jim Traficant praises the Israeli Supreme Court more than our own and is well aware of the issues with Israel and how they fit into an entire framework. So does Cynthia McKinney. You may want to jump on their bandwagon which will be helpful for your growth and development.
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« Reply #179 on: September 11, 2010, 09:57:07 AM »

Well yeah with the blinders that may be all you have realized about 9/11. Of course that would require you to willfully deny the 10,000 other pieces of evidence ranging from the National Reconnaisance Office running plane in building drills, Ptech, the visa office in Jena, Able Danger, Bob Graham forewarnings, Rudy Dekers and the Venice Flying Circus, Cheney's stand down orders, Rothschild/Rockefeller debt creation, Deutche Bank put options, Atta's handler who is a Dutch terrorist, the flying out of the Bin Laden family, the contracts with the Bin Laden family, and about 1,000 other pieces of information. Perhaps it would be helpful for you to review Fabled Enemies and Core of Corruption again.

All of this Fabled Enemies and Core of Corruption places the blams on the US government and reinforces to include the phony Arab terrorist narrative that is promoted by the mainstream media. Israel controls the US government and has controlled the US government for DECADES.


BTW - Jim Traficant praises the Israeli Supreme Court more than our own and is well aware of the issues with Israel and how they fit into an entire framework. So does Cynthia McKinney. You may want to jump on their bandwagon which will be helpful for your growth and development.


So you want me to start praising Israel? You want me to be a Zionist now?

Distilling the 9/11 evidence to the obvious guilty party is how I have come to my "growth and development." This is the reason that the 9/11 movemnet flounders. For years the Israeli involvement was downplayed and minimized and all manner of rabbit trails were heavily promoted, such as the $100,000 wired to Attah's bank account. Thsi reinforces that notion that Arab terrorist did carry out the attacks when we know that Israelis had the truck bombs.

Leaving the clues out and not connecting the dots is what has been done for years by the mainstream 9/11 movemnet, or the 9/11-lite movement for fear of being called an anti-semtie. You've got to tie it all together: motive, means, and qui bono. All of that other technical stuffare things that can be debated endlessly. The following cannot be debunked, and has nothing to do with the Bilderbergers, Dope Inc or any of these other distractions you keep throwing in our faces.

Benjamin Netanyahu and the Jonathon Institute setting up the War on Terror as a Jewish hoax on America
9/11-dancing Israelis-truck bombs
Palestinians are your problems
Odigo sending out instant messages
Dancing Palestinians psyop
IASPS document A War Against the West published on 9-11-2001 showing obvious prior knowledge
Urban Moving Systems (Mossad front collected $665,000 in small buisness loans and grants from Federal government)
anthrax attacks "death to America, death to Israel"
Afghan Vortex document another IASPS policy paper
Israeli Clean Break Documents-PNAC documents (Zionist front group, 95% Jewish signatories)
Jerome Hauer, Ehud Barack, Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney all appearing on mainstream news networks, had schedules cleared and prepared with scripts and talking points to explain 9/11 to the goy
Zimm Moving Systems moving out of WTC

and on and on and on for days

Can you point this many fingers in any one direction? Is it wrong to do this? Because you sure make it seem like I and others are wrong for pointing this many fingers in the direction of the obvious.

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« Reply #180 on: September 11, 2010, 10:35:51 AM »

http://www.archive.org/details/TheUglyTruth-WhoDid911-OblBushOrMossadIsraelsRoleIn911&reCache=1

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« Reply #181 on: September 11, 2010, 10:43:30 AM »

save for later viewing, and I vote mossad.
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« Reply #182 on: September 11, 2010, 10:52:06 AM »

Better d/l now before it gets moved  Grin

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« Reply #183 on: September 11, 2010, 11:39:12 AM »

Who Did 9/11? Osama bin Laden, Bush Or Mossad?

I vote -  black operation involving: JCS (Joint Chiefs of Staff) Military /CIA/NSA/Bush Family/MI5-6/Mossad/ISI/ and Wackenhut/Blackwater private contractor types.

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« Reply #184 on: September 11, 2010, 11:49:57 AM »

All of this Fabled Enemies and Core of Corruption places the blams on the US government and reinforces to include the phony Arab terrorist narrative that is promoted by the mainstream media. Israel controls the US government and has controlled the US government for DECADES.

Actually that is a lie, the movies expose the multiple high level operatives in varous countries who played a role in 9/11 and when you trickle upward you find Bilderberg, CFR, and the committee of 300. Less than 10,000 that are not of any one race, religion, nationality. Of course to deny this is to deny plans for a new world order which is run by globalists who want to destroy all sovereign countries.

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So you want me to start praising Israel? You want me to be a Zionist now?

I would rather you stopped blaming one race, religion, nationality as that is exactly what the Herzls and Foxmans want you to do. They only get strength through similar propaganda that you are spewing.

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Distilling the 9/11 evidence to the obvious guilty party is how I have come to my "growth and development." This is the reason that the 9/11 movemnet flounders. For years the Israeli involvement was downplayed and minimized and all manner of rabbit trails were heavily promoted, such as the $100,000 wired to Attah's bank account. Thsi reinforces that notion that Arab terrorist did carry out the attacks when we know that Israelis had the truck bombs.

Leaving the clues out and not connecting the dots is what has been done for years by the mainstream 9/11 movemnet, or the 9/11-lite movement for fear of being called an anti-semtie. You've got to tie it all together: motive, means, and qui bono. All of that other technical stuffare things that can be debated endlessly. The following cannot be debunked, and has nothing to do with the Bilderbergers, Dope Inc or any of these other distractions you keep throwing in our faces.

Benjamin Netanyahu and the Jonathon Institute setting up the War on Terror as a Jewish hoax on America
9/11-dancing Israelis-truck bombs
Palestinians are your problems
Odigo sending out instant messages
Dancing Palestinians psyop
IASPS document A War Against the West published on 9-11-2001 showing obvious prior knowledge
Urban Moving Systems (Mossad front collected $665,000 in small buisness loans and grants from Federal government)
anthrax attacks "death to America, death to Israel"
Afghan Vortex document another IASPS policy paper
Israeli Clean Break Documents-PNAC documents (Zionist front group, 95% Jewish signatories)
Jerome Hauer, Ehud Barack, Richard Perle, Frank Gaffney all appearing on mainstream news networks, had schedules cleared and prepared with scripts and talking points to explain 9/11 to the goy
Zimm Moving Systems moving out of WTC

and on and on and on for days

Can you point this many fingers in any one direction? Is it wrong to do this? Because you sure make it seem like I and others are wrong for pointing this many fingers in the direction of the obvious.

But you are only distilling using filters that trap everything that does not mention jew or israel.

With that distilling, of course all you will see is reason to post "jooooooooooooooooos" everywhere without mentioning Deutche Bank, CFR, Bilderberg, British Monarch, Dutch Monarch, East India Trading Company, West India Trading Company, Sudi Intel, German Intel, CIA, MI6, ISI, SAS, NRO, NSA, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rockefeller, Rothschild, and about 10,0000 other pieces of evidence.
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« Reply #185 on: September 11, 2010, 11:57:04 AM »

NRO-Please spy on this forum so that you know that we know how you did 911

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                                                                                                               Alexander H. Levis, Director, System Architectures Laboratory, Co-Scientist with Dr, Hussein Ibrahim, Ptech, Artificial Intelligence, False Flag terrorism Engineering, (called Effects Based Operations).
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Hussein Ibrahim

AF 00-116
Title: Advanced C2 Process Modeling and Requirements Analysis Technology
Abstract: This effort will demonstrate the ability to develop an innovative C2 investment decision support system. The objective system springs from a completely original conceptualization of the problem. It will support "product and process modeling of integrated operational and system architectures" and will produce results that can be used within the Air Force spiral development process, C2 management philosophy, and PPBS. This system will improve access to mathematically rigorous, token-based architecture by orders of magnitude. Ptech and George Mason University's System Architectures Laboratory will integrate object oriented C2 architecture modeling and a Discrete Event System model to construct a software system that can: - Synthesize Colored Petri Nets from a set of object oriented products. We will develop and employ a file-based interface between Ptech's FrameWork modeling environment and Design/CPN.- Verify the logical soundness and behaviors of architectures by executing the models and using token-based, state space and behavioral analysis techniques against an agreed set of measures. -Report results in a variety of agreed graphical and textual formats. This Phase I effort includes early proof-of-concept demonstrations to enable the Team to gain favorable position for development funding or approval for FAST TRACK funding.
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Publications: Conference Papers (Look at the titles of what they've worked on.) One of the documents in there from 1995 I think looked like they were wargaming a martial law scenario with their software.  It's all highly technical stuff that is beyond anything I can understand, but with some of it, you can get a general idea of what they're doing.  Seems to me what we have here is Ptech AI being used to calculate the most efficient way to overthrow the U.S. with staged avian flu pandemic, and cyber attacks carried out by Northcom/Booz Allen Hamilton; to be blamed on "homeland hackers", or Russians, or the Chinese, et.al., and kill us as as efficiently as possible.  Well, now it's algorithms are going to have to factor in the fact that this is now public.]
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http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=charles_leidig


Captain Charles Leidig. [Source: US Navy]

Profile: Charles Leidig
Charles Leidig was a participant or observer in the following events:
8:30 a.m. September 11, 2001: Rookie in Command of the NMCC

Captain Charles Leidig, the deputy for Command Center operations at the NMCC, takes over temporarily from Brigadier General Montague Winfield and is effectively in charge of NMCC during the 9/11 crisis. Winfield had requested the previous day that Leidig stand in for him on September 11. Leidig had started his role as Deputy for Command Center Operations two months earlier and had qualified to stand in for Winfield just the previous month. Leidig remains in charge from a few minutes before the 9/11 crisis begins until about 10:30 a.m., after the last hijacked plane crashes. He presides over an important crisis response teleconference that has a very slow start, not even beginning until 9:39 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004


Brigadier General Montague Winfield. [Source: US Army]

(Shortly After 9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001: NMCC Commander Concludes US is Under Attack, Yet Does Not Retake Charge of Center

Brigadier General Montague Winfield, commander of the National Military Command Center (NMCC), the Pentagon’s emergency response center, later says, “When the second aircraft flew into the second tower, it was at that point that we realized that the seemingly unrelated hijackings that the FAA was dealing with were in fact a part of a coordinated terrorist attack on the United States.” [ABC News, 9/14/2002] For unknown reasons, Winfield had stepped down from his usual position at 8:30 a.m., and allowed Captain Charles Leidig to temporarily take his place as deputy director for operations in the NMCC (see 8:30 a.m. September 11, 2001).

[9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004 pdf file] Post 9/11 news reports will give the impression that Winfield remained in the NMCC throughout the course of the attacks, and was aware of the unfolding events. None of them will mention him ever having left the center. [CNN, 9/4/2002; ABC News, 9/11/2002] Yet, despite concluding that the US is suffering a “coordinated terrorist attack,” Winfield allows Leidig to continue as his stand-in, and does not take over from him and resume charge of the center until shortly after Flight 93 has crashed. This would presumably be around 10:15-10:30 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004]
 
(9:29 a.m.-9:37 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Pentagon Command Center Begins High Level Conference Call


The National Military Command Center, inside the Pentagon. [Source: National Military Command Center]

Captain Charles Leidig is temporarily in command of the National Military Command Center (NMCC), “the military’s worldwide nerve center.” In response to the attacks on the World Trade Center, he convenes a conference call. [CNN, 9/4/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004 pdf file] Telephone links are established between the NMCC located inside the Pentagon (but on the opposite side of the building from where the explosion will happen), Canada’s equivalent Command Center, Strategic Command, theater commanders, and federal emergency-response agencies. At one time or another, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, key military officers, leaders of the FAA and NORAD, the White House, and Air Force One are heard on the open line.

[Aviation Week and Space Technology, 6/3/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004] NORAD command director Captain Michael Jellinek claims this call was initiated “at once” after the second WTC tower was hit. [Aviation Week and Space Technology, 6/3/2002] However, the 9/11 Commission concludes it starts at 9:29 a.m. According to the commission, it begins as an all-purpose “significant event” conference. But at 9:30, Leidig states that it has just been confirmed that Flight 11 is still airborne and is heading toward Washington, DC. (This incorrect information apparently arose minutes earlier during a conference call between FAA centers (see 9:21 a.m. September 11, 2001).) In response to this erroneous report, the significant event conference is ended at around 9:34. It then resumes at about 9:37 as an air threat conference call, which lasts for more than eight hours. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 37] This is broadcast over a loudspeaker inside the NMCC. [US News and World Report, 8/31/2003] Brigadier General Montague Winfield, who later takes over from Leidig in charge of the NMCC, says, “All of the governmental agencies that were involved in any activity going on in the United States at that point, were in that conference.” [ABC News, 9/11/2002] The call continues right through the Pentagon explosion; the impact is not felt within the NMCC. [CNN, 9/4/2002] However, despite being in the Pentagon when it is hit, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld doesn’t enter the NMCC or participate in the call until 10:30 a.m. (see (10:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001).

9:39 a.m. September 11, 2001: Defense Secretary Rumsfeld Is Wanted at Pentagon Teleconference but Cannot Be Reached


This picture of Rumsfeld (center), taken from the US Army website, is captioned, “Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld returns to Pentagon inner offices Tuesday morning after surveying the damage from the hijacked plane which crashed into the building moments before.” This contradicts his claim that he was helping victims for nearly an hour after the attack. However, there is video footage of Rumsfeld helping a person on a stretcher and it is not known when this picture is taken exactly. [Source: US Army]

Captain Charles Leidig, a deputy who is temporarily in charge of the Pentagon’s National Military Command Center (NMCC), is handling the NMCC’s crisis teleconference. He opens the call saying, “An air attack against North America may be in progress.” He mentions reports of a crash into the opposite side of the Pentagon, and requests that Defense Secretary Rumsfeld be added to the conference. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004 pdf file] Rumsfeld has a crucial role to play in coordinating the military response to an attack on the US.

According to journalist and author Andrew Cockburn, since the Cold War, “In an age when an enemy attack might allow only a few minutes for detection and reaction, control of American military power became vested in the National Command Authority, which consists of the president and the secretary of defense. Collectively, the NCA is the ultimate source of military orders, uniquely empowered, among other things, to order the use of nuclear weapons. In time of war, therefore, Rumsfeld was effectively the president’s partner, the direct link to the fighting forces, and all orders had to go through him. Such orders were supposed to be transmitted from… the National Military Command Center.” Cockburn adds that the NMCC is “the operational center for any and every crisis, from nuclear war to hijacked airliners.”

Yet, rather than join the NMCC conference, Rumsfeld has already gone out of the Pentagon to see the crash site, without telling any of his command staff where he was going, and remains out of contact for some time (see Between 9:38 a.m. and 10:00 a.m. September 11, 2001). Therefore, a few minutes after Leidig makes his request, Rumsfeld’s office will report back that he is nowhere to be found. Cockburn concludes, “The chain of command was broken.” [Cockburn, 2007, pp. 4-5; Democracy Now!, 3/7/2007] It is unknown whether Rumsfeld has a cell phone or pager on him, and if so, why he cannot be reached.

9:44 a.m. September 11, 2001: NMCC Conference Thinks Flight 1989, Not Flight 93, Is Fourth Hijack

NORAD briefs the NMCC teleconference on the possible hijacking of Delta Flight 1989. Four minutes later, a representative from the White House bunker containing Vice President Cheney asks if there are any indications of other hijacked planes. Captain Charles Leidig, temporarily in charge of the NMCC, mentions the Delta Flight and comments, “that would be the fourth possible hijack.” Flight 1989 is in the same general Ohio region as Flight 93, but NORAD doesn’t scramble fighters toward either plane at this time. [9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004]
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“Is this real-world or exercise?”: Cyber-PsyOps Warfare & 9/11

Part V: Powell, Armitage and the Secret Service

“Secretary of State Colin Powell was in Lima, Peru, attending a meeting of the Organization of American States when he received word of the [9/11] attacks. He immediately cut his trip short and boarded a government aircraft for the seven-hour flight back to Washington. The former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff understood and appreciated the advantage the U.S. enjoyed over most nations when it came to the advanced electronics and communications capabilities. The former Army General had put his name on various Pentagon war-fighting manuals that outlined the Department’s commitment to what the military called “network-centric warfare” and “information superiority.” He had even written an article in Byte Magazine in 1992 titled “Personal Computer Technology May Determine the Outcome of Future Conflicts.” But what really made Powell’s experience on September 11 unique was his understanding and continued devotion to the military’s decision cycle, known as the OODA loop.”

Black Ice: The Invisible Threat of Cyber-Terrorism
Chapter Seven : 9/11: The Cyber-terrorist Attack

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“Seated in the White House Vice President Cheney was in command of America's defence response to the hijacking attacks on 911. Once the World Trade Centre was hit why did Cheney, a former Defense Secretary himself under the previous Bush administration, contact Richard Armitage the most senior State Department official in the country at the time, but not Air Force General Richard Myers, the most senior military officer in the country at the time?”

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/WATUS911undefended.htm#armitage

See also http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/armitagecheneyasia.htm

According to the activist group Voices from the Wilderness: 'Armitage has also been routinely exposed as a Bush-era covert functionary who has been linked to covert operations, drug smuggling and the expansion of organized crime operations in Russia, Central Asia and the Far East.'

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"So what was the UK's 'national security adviser' doing in America on Sept 11? Was his visit prompted by the terrorist threat that Tony Blair now confirms 'everybody knew' was being planned? Despite his de facto status as Blair's special envoy on foreign affairs and security matters the US State Department appointment records show no scheduled meetings for Manning with Secretary Powell himself during the days immediately prior to the attacks. Those records do, however, show that he was meeting with Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage on September 10th. Armitage is second in command to Colin Powell who left for a trip to Peru later that day, meaning that the Bush administration's principal 'dove' was out of the country when the attacks happened. In Powell's absence 'when the storm breaks [on 911] Richard Armitage... is at its heart' according to the BBC's Edward Stourton…

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpWESSEX/Documents/armitageman.htm

“It is reported that the US Secret Service is using an “air surveillance system” called Tigerwall. This serves to “ensure enhanced physical security at a high-value asset location by providing early warning of airborne threats.” Tigerwall “provides the Secret Service with a geographic display of aircraft activity and provides security personnel long-range camera systems to classify and identify aircraft. Sensor data from several sources are fused to provide a unified sensor display.” [US Department of Defense, 2000; US Department of the Navy, 9/2000, pp. 28 ] Among its responsibilities, the Secret Service protects America’s highest elected officials, including the president and vice president, and also provides security for the White House Complex. [US Congress, 5/1/2003] Its largest field office with over 200 employees is in New York, in Building 7 of the World Trade Center. [Tech TV, 7/23/2002] Whether the Secret Service, in New York or Washington, will make use of Tigerwall on 9/11 is unknown.

The Secret Service appears to have other air surveillance capabilities. Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke will describe that on 9/11, the Secret Service had “a system that allowed them to see what FAA’s radar was seeing.” [Clarke, 2004, pp. 7] Barbara Riggs, a future deputy director of the Secret Service who is in its Washington, DC headquarters on 9/11, will describe the Secret Service “monitoring radar” during the attacks. [PCCW Newsletter, 3/2006; Star-Gazette (Elmira), 6/5/2006] Furthermore, since 1974 the Secret Service operations center has possessed a special communications line from the control tower of Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport. This hotline allows air traffic controllers monitoring local radar to inform agents at the White House of any planes that are off course or appear to be on a “threatening vector.” [Time, 9/26/1994]

(9:45 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Secret Service Learns Hijacked Plane on Route to Washington, Evacuates White House

“Secret Service Director Brian Stafford informs counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke that radar shows an aircraft headed towards the White House and decides to evacuate the complex. [Clarke, 2004, pp. 5] The Secret Service learns this by monitoring radar and over an open line with the FAA (the “hijack net”), which enable them to receive real time information about the hijacked aircraft. The Secret Service, which has been using an air surveillance system called Tigerwall for some time (see (September 2000 and after), tracks both American 77 and United 93 as they approach Washington and assumes the White House is a target. Secret Service agent Barbara Riggs will later say, “The Secret Service prepared to defend the facility,” although the precise nature of the preparations is unclear. [New York Times, 9/12/2001; MSNBC, 9/22/2001; Daily Telegraph, 12/16/2001; Washington Post, 1/27/2002; Associated Press, 8/19/2002; 9/11 Commission, 6/17/2004; PCCW Newsletter, 3/2006]

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a938clarkeorders
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Part VI: Reporting for Duty, Sir!


“Asked point-blank by Commissioner Jamie Gorelick what he had done to protect the nation — or even the Pentagon — during the "summer of threat" preceding the attacks, Rumsfeld replied simply that "it was a law enforcement issue."
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0813-08.htm
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“In his office at the Pentagon, Donald Rumsfeld received word as each plane hit the Twin Towers, but apparently continued his scheduled lecture to a Congressional delegation on the subject of national preparedness against surprise attacks…. Richard Myers, acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Sept. 11, says he thought the first crash was an accident. He went ahead with a meeting at the offices of Sen. Max Cleland, with whom he discussed the subject of national preparedness.

Rumsfeld: “I had said at -- I had an 8 o'clock breakfast -- that sometime in the next two, four, six, eight, 10, 12 months, there would be an event that would occur in the world that would be sufficiently shocking that it would remind people, again, how important it is to have a strong, healthy Defense Department that contributes -- that underpins peace and stability in our world. And that is what underpins peace and stability. It's the fact -- we can't have healthy economies and active lives unless we live in a peaceful, stabile world. And I said that to these people.”

And someone walked in and handed a note that said that a plane had just hit the World Trade Center.”

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040812110237946

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“Sheehy: For more than two hours after the Federal Aviation Administration became aware that the first plane had been violently overtaken by Middle Eastern men, the man whose job it was to order air cover over Washington [Rumsfeld] did not show up in the Pentagon's command center.

This may be a veiled reference to a military administrative order of June 1, 2001, which formally included the Secretary of Defense in any decision to authorize the interception of errant civilian planes by military jets.

At least until then, interception of errant flights was a standard procedure, activated automatically once an air traffic controller determines a plane on instrument flight rules (IFR) is significantly off-course or has failed to respond to ground control. No formal authorization was required for the FAA to alert NORAD that an aircraft has deviated from its planned route, or for NORAD to scramble interceptors to reconnoiter and report. On the contrary, this was what was supposed to happen.”

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040801011459507

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Gail Sheehy put “Lee Hamilton, vice-chairman of the Kean Commission, on the spot with the question, "Where was Rumsfeld on 9/11?":

"We investigated very carefully Mr. Rumsfeld's actions," said Hamilton. "He was having breakfast with Congressional leaders, and they hear a plane has hit the Pentagon, and he runs out."

"He had to have been told before the Pentagon was hit that two trade centers were hit and the country was under attack," I suggested. Was the commission comfortable with the fact that the country's Secretary of Defense was not in the chain of command or present in the Pentagon’s command center until all four suicide hijacked planes were down?

"I'm not going to answer that question," said Hamilton, and turned away.”
[Original at http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/07/07_400.html ]

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Montague Winfield was originally scheduled to be at his command post on morning of Sept. 11. But on Sept. 10, he arranged for his deputy to relieve him the next morning at exactly 8:30 a.m. This turned out to be just eight minutes before the military was alerted to the diversion of the first flight (at 8:38 a.m. according to the timeline in The 9/11 Commission Report).

The report mentions Winfield by name only once, as a source in a footnote, without clarification (Ch. 1 fn 190, p. 463). His absence from the NMCC after 8:30 a.m. was first revealed to the Commission in a June 17, 2004 statement by his deputy, Capt. Charles J. Leidig (who was promoted to admiral). (Source document from 9/11 Commission)

Winfield was scheduled to testify before the Kean Commission in public on the same day as Leidig. As on Sept. 11, he was a no-show. Leidig spoke for him, saying under oath that on Sept. 11, "Right after we resolved what was going on with United 93, around that time General Winfield took over" command of the NMCC. ( Transcipt of June 17th hearings )

Thus Gen. Winfield apparently exercised no operational authority until after the attacks were over. In the further absence of Bush and Rumsfeld, the man in charge of the U.S. military during the attacks was apparently Capt. Leidig, a rookie in the job who, in his own words, first qualified in August 2001 "to stand watch as the Deputy Director for Operations in the NMCC."

However, Winfield either forgot his own absence or attempted to gloss over it when he was filmed for a 2002 Discovery-Times documentary, "Attack on the Pentagon." In that interview, he says that the "national leadership" was called to the NMCC "after the World Trade Center was struck." He also describes on camera the process of "resolving" what happened to Flight 93, the final flight, as though he was present.

Was Winfield present at the NMCC at any time during the attacks? If not, why would he try to hide an absence for which no one would otherwise think to blame him, since it was arranged the night before? Where was he during the 90 minutes after 8:30 a.m.?


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"Whatever the explanation for the huge [911 defence] failure, there have been no reports, to my knowledge, of reprimands. This further weakens the 'Incompetence Theory.' Incompetence usually earns reprimands."

'What really happened on Sept. 11th?'
Barrie Zwicker, Straight Goods, 27 January 2002 (New Society Publishers)

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"Ukrainian President Leonid Kuchma has declared a day of national mourning for the victims of the Lviv air show disaster.... President Kuchma dismissed the country's air force chief and the commander of the air force division which took part in the show.... "

”Ukraine mourns plane crash victims”, BBC Online, 28 July 2002

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“Some respond that the whole military was lax before 9-11. Nobody was worried about security. Really? In a dispatch discussing security after 9-11, Associated Press noted that US military bases were already on security alert *before* 9-11.

"Military Tightens Security in Wake of Apparent Terrorist Attacks," AP, (12 September 2001) http://www.tenc.net/indict/update630.htm



NATIONAL MILITARY COMMAND CENTER SETUP FOR 911FF BY A. H. LEVIS/PTECH

http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2002/DISA/0302016K.pdf
A.  Mission Description and Budget Item Justification:

This program provides concept development, requirements definition, technical specifications, proof-of-concept testing, rapid prototyping, technology insertions, systems engineering and integration and technical assessments for National Military Command System (NMCS) Command and Control (C2) systems.  This support provides informed, decision-making linkage between the National Command Authorities (NCA) and the Commanders-in-Chief of the Unified and Specified Commands.  This engineering draws upon improved C2 methodologies and technology insertion opportunities to meet the command, control and information requirements of the NCA and the CINCs for all crises and security threats involving US military forces.  These efforts emphasize interoperability and are designed to contribute directly to the achievement of the global C4I infrastructure.

The primary customer is the Joint Staff.  As the DOD Systems Engineer for the National Military Command Center (NMCC) and the Alternate NMCC (ANMCC), DISA performs planning, integration, and testing/ evaluation of new systems or improvements to existing systems. Support is provided to the Joint Staff in configuration management of over 120 systems.  Engineering support is provided in the planning and implementation of the relocation of the NMCC as part of the Pentagon renovation (NMCC is scheduled to transition to a new location in FY 2003).

Beginning FY 2002, funding from the program C4I for the Warrior (PE 0303149K) will be transferred to this program in order to support the Site R Integration Program (SRIP), which provides backup and mirroring of selected NMCC systems and provides software maintenance of the NMCC Command and Control System (NCCS) Automated Message Handling System (AMHS). This program element is under Budget Activity 07 because it involves efforts supporting operational systems development. This administration has not addressed FY 2003-2007 requirements.  All FY 2003-2007 budget estimates included in this  book are notional only and subject to change.





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9/11 as a computer crime?

Davis stated that on the morning of 9/11 there was denial of service to the risk management system designed to block such attacks.  I didn’t say that (although I’ve read it)  - what I said was that the emergency open communications line between the FAA and NMCC went dead - neither party was aware of it and it is my belief that the PTECH software was used to shut it down.

"If that’s the way they did it, it would have been the perfect crime.  One person could have shutdown the line connecting the FAA and NMCC (National Military Command and Control).  “Coincidentally,” the person manning the NMCC on the morning of 9/11 was a first day employee and his boss was away at a meeting.  So, the new man on the job didn’t even know that on the morning of 9/11 the communication between FCC and NMCC was down."

-Vicky Davis
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Summary:
   
“This three-part series grapples with the risks of a growing dependence on automated information systems to control combat forces. A collection of research papers from the DoD-sponsored C2 Research Program, the series focuses on the difficulties in accurately portraying the uncertainties and ambiguities of war with computer systems.” – Publisher’s description.
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http://sysarch.gmu.edu/main/media/publications/abstracts/135p-ABS.pdf

JUNE 1993



CRISIS MANAGEMENT IN THE NATIONAL MILITARY  
COMMAND CENTER (NMCC)


Brian S. Ray
Alexander H. Levis


ABSTRACT  


A functional architecture of NMCC crisis management is developed beginning with the identification and description of the mission and concept of operations. A functional decomposition of crisis management activities is then built based on current operating instructions and actions officer interviews. The model is validated for a limited set of crisis management requirements by exercising it with data collected during an actual crisis management situation. Functional shortfalls and redundancies are examined. The result is a functional architecture of NMCC crisis management suitable as a foundation for quantitative effectiveness analysis.

CRISIS MANAGEMENT IN THE NMCC
http://sysarch.gmu.edu/main/media/publications/docs/135p_.pdf


















http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/ericjsinrod/2005-10-05-faa-weakness_x.htm

Posted 10/5/2005 9:30 AM     Updated 10/5/2005 9:34 AM

INSERT:  NOTE, THIS ARTICLE IS FROM 2005, SO HE IS REFERRING TO A MUCH NEWER DOCUMENT THAN THE ONE ABOVE, THE AUTHOR FAILS TO REALIZE THAT THE FAA IS PLAYING A DOG AND PONY SHOW, THE ENTIRE NAS ARCHITECTURE WAS SPECIFICALLY INTEGRATED WITH DOD SYSTEMS TO CARRY OUT 9/11, AS WELL AS TO SERVE AS AN "INTEROPERABILITY TEST BED", TO APPLY THEIR "LESSONS LEARNED", TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF GLOBAL C4ISR SYSTEMS, TO CREATE THE INCEPTION OF NETWORK CENTRIC WARFARE, THE NEW SO-CALLED "WAR ON TERROR", TO FINALLY ACHIEVE THEIR PINNACLE OF TOTAL TYRANNY, FUTURE COMBAT SYSTEMS, OR FCS.

Too many weaknesses in FAA information systems
If you already are nervous about flying, this column may not make you feel more comfortable. So let's get right to the point – according to a recent evaluation by the Government Accountability Office (GAO), the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) suffers from security weaknesses in its information systems, including weaknesses in controls that are intended to prevent, limit and detect access to those systems.

Background

As most of us know, and as explained by the GAO, the FAA performs important functions designed to ensure "safe, orderly, and efficient air travel in the national airspace system." In performing its functions, the FAA must rely upon an extensive "array of interconnected automated information systems and networks that comprise the nation's air traffic control systems." These systems are mission critical as they supply information to air traffic controllers and flight crews to help "ensure the safe and expeditious movement of aircraft."

Interruptions of service by these information systems, as noted by the GAO, "could have a significant adverse impact on air traffic nationwide." And reading between the lines here, one is left with the conclusion that passenger safety potentially could be jeopardized by such interruption.

The GAO explains that it was tasked to evaluate how the FAA has implemented information security controls because such controls are "essential for ensuring that the nation's air traffic control systems are adequately protected from inadvertent or deliberate misuse, disruption, or destruction."

The Evaluation

The GAO concludes, as part of its evaluation, that the FAA "has made progress in implementing information security for its air traffic control information systems." However, the GAO "identified significant security weaknesses that threaten the integrity, confidentiality and availability of FAA's systems – including weaknesses in controls that are designed to prevent, limit and detect access to these systems." According to the GAO, the FAA "has not adequately managed its networks, software updates, user accounts and passwords, and user privileges, nor has it consistently logged security-relevant events." Feeling better yet?

If this were not enough, the GAO found that other FAA information security controls, encompassing physical security, background investigations, segregation of duties, and system changes, "exhibited weaknesses, increasing the risk that unauthorized users could breach FAA's air traffic control systems, potentially disrupting aviation operations." Certainly, the disruption of aviation operations sounds omnious.

The GAO reports that the FAA explained that the possibilities for unauthorized access are "limited." Of course, a better answer would be that such possibilities are "non-existent." The GAO evaluation states that the FAA has "initiatives underway to improve its information security" but notes that "further efforts are needed." The GAO reports that FAA weaknesses that need to be addressed include "outdated security plans, inadequate security awareness training, inadequate systems testing and evaluation programs, limited security incident-detection capabilities, and shortcomings in providing service continuity for disruptions in operations."

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http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Losing_Flight_77

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/01/AR2006090101498.html

Investigators found no evidence that aviation officials intentionally misled the Sept. 11 commission when they made inaccurate statements about their response to the 2001 terrorist attacks but recommended that two officials face "appropriate administrative action" for failing to correct the record, according to a report released yesterday.

The findings by the Transportation Department's acting inspector general, Todd J. Zinser, address a lingering question about the response on Sept. 11 by military and civilian aviation officials, who initially portrayed the reaction as swift and efficient. It was later shown to be neither.

The conclusions echo the findings of a separate inquiry at the Defense Department, which found no evidence that authorities at the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) intended to mislead the Sept. 11 panel.

For more than two years after the attacks, officials at NORAD and the Federal Aviation Administration suggested in public statements and testimony that air defenses and aviation officials had reacted quickly to the hijackings and were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington. That aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to retake control from the hijackers.

In fact, the Sept. 11 commission found, audiotapes and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.

The FAA had said on its Web site and in statements to the commission that it informed the Pentagon at 9:24 a.m. that American Airlines Flight 77 had been hijacked. The commission found that the FAA never notified defense officials of the hijackings but did label the plane missing after it had crashed into the Pentagon.

The FAA also omitted from official timelines the fact that it notified NORAD about the hijacking of Flight 93 at 10:07 a.m., after the airliner had crashed in Pennsylvania. It gave an earlier than actual time for the moment when an Air Force official joined an FAA "phone-bridge" focused on the hijackings.

Zinser's report blames the erroneous statements on a series of innocent mistakes, including an erroneous entry in an early FAA timeline and an assumption by some officials that others would correct the record once the errors became clear.

"We did not find evidence to conclude that FAA officials knowingly made false statements," the report said.

At the same time, it said, two unidentified FAA officials should have notified the commission when it became clear that the information was wrong. The report recommended that the FAA consider unspecified administrative action against them.

Although the inaccurate statements have been publicly known for several years, it has only become clear more recently how much the issue had strained relations between the Sept. 11 panel and the FAA and NORAD. They were the only two agencies to receive subpoenas from the commission.

Some commission members and staffers were so angered by the inaccuracies that they advocated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. The panel settled on a compromise, referring the complaints to the two inspectors general.

In their new book, "Without Precedent," the commission's chairman and vice chairman, Thomas H. Kean (R) and Lee H. Hamilton (D), said the panel was "exceedingly frustrated" by the FAA and NORAD.

"Fog of war could explain why some people were confused on the day of 9/11, but it could not explain why all the after-action reports, accident investigation, and public testimony by FAA and NORAD officials advanced an account of 9/11 that was untrue," they wrote.
The FAA said in a statement that Zinser's report "clarified the record and found no evidence that FAA officials knowingly made false statements or intentionally failed to correct any inaccurate statements while providing more than 6,000 documents and materials to the commission." The FAA also has "made major improvements to its communications capabilities" since the Sept. 11 attacks, the statement said.
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Report Urges F.A.A. to Act Regarding False 9/11 Testimony

By PHILIP SHENON
Published: September 2, 2006

The Transportation Department's inspector general urged the Federal Aviation Administration on Friday to consider disciplinary action against two executives who failed to correct false information provided to the independent commission that investigated the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

The acting inspector general, Todd J. Zinser, whose office acts as the department's internal watchdog, found in a new report that the F.A.A. executives, as well as a third official who is now retired, learned after the fact that false information was given to the commission in May 2003 about the F.A.A.'s contacts with the Air Force on the morning of Sept. 11.

The false information suggested that the aviation agency had established contact with its Air Force liaison immediately after the first of the four hijacked planes struck the World Trade Center at 8:46 a.m.

In fact, the commission's investigators found, the Air Force's liaison did not join a conference call with the F.A.A. until after the third plane crashed, at 9:37 a.m. The 51-minute gap is significant because it helps undermine an initial claim by the North American Aerospace Defense Command, which is responsible for domestic air defense, that it scrambled quickly on Sept. 11 and had a chance to shoot down the last of the hijacked planes still in the air, United Airlines Flight 93.

The inspector general's report, prepared in response to complaints from the independent Sept. 11 commission, found that the three F.A.A. executives failed to act on an ''obligation'' to correct the false information provided to the commission, which found widespread confusion within the aviation agency and the military on the morning of the attacks.

The F.A.A., part of the Transportation Department, declined to identify the three executives, whose names and titles were not revealed in the inspector general's report. Nor did the agency say whether it would consider disciplinary action.

The inspector general's office found that while false information was given to the Sept. 11 commission, there was no evidence that F.A.A. executives had done it knowingly or had intentionally withheld accurate information about the agency's actions on the morning of the attacks.

That finding was welcomed by the F.A.A., which said in a statement that the ''inspector general's investigation has clarified the record and found no evidence that F.A.A. officials knowingly made false statements.'' The Pentagon's inspector general issued a similar finding last month about military officers who provided inaccurate testimony to the commission, saying their inaccurate statements could be attributed largely to poor record-keeping.

Richard Ben Veniste, a commission member, said in an interview on Friday that he was troubled that it had taken the inspector general two years to complete his investigation -- ''more time than it took the 9/11 commission to complete all of its work'' -- and that he released the report ''on the Friday afternoon before the Labor Day weekend.''

Mr. Ben Veniste said he was convinced that the failure of the aviation agency and the North American Aerospace Defense Command to provide early, accurate information about their performance had ''contributed to a growing industry of conspiratorialists who question the fundamental facts relating to 9/11.''

Mr. Zinser, the acting inspector general, said in an interview that the investigation had taken so long because of ''the very complicated issues'' his office reviewed.
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9/11 Report Cites Many Warnings About Hijackings

By ERIC LICHTBLAU
New York Times
February 10, 2005

WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.

A spokeswoman for the F.A.A., the agency that bears the brunt of the commission's criticism, said Wednesday that the agency was well aware of the threat posed by terrorists before Sept. 11 and took substantive steps to counter it, including the expanded use of explosives detection units.

"We had a lot of information about threats," said the spokeswoman, Laura J. Brown. "But we didn't have specific information about means or methods that would have enabled us to tailor any countermeasures."

She added: "After 9/11, the F.A..A. and the entire aviation community took bold steps to improve aviation security, such as fortifying cockpit doors on 6,000 airplanes, and those steps took hundreds of millions of dollars to implement."

The report, like previous commission documents, finds no evidence that the government had specific warning of a domestic attack and says that the aviation industry considered the hijacking threat to be more worrisome overseas.

"The fact that the civil aviation system seems to have been lulled into a false sense of security is striking not only because of what happened on 9/11 but also in light of the intelligence assessments, including those conducted by the F.A.A.'s own security branch, that raised alarms about the growing terrorist threat to civil aviation throughout the 1990's and into the new century," the report said.

In its previous findings, including a final report last July that became a best-selling book, the 9/11 commission detailed the harrowing events aboard the four hijacked flights that crashed on Sept. 11 and the communications problems between civil aviation and military officials that hampered the response. But the new report goes further in revealing the scope and depth of intelligence collected by federal aviation officials about the threat of a terrorist attack.

The F.A.A. "had indeed considered the possibility that terrorists would hijack a plane and use it as a weapon," and in 2001 it distributed a CD-ROM presentation to airlines and airports that cited the possibility of a suicide hijacking, the report said. Previous commission documents have quoted the CD's reassurance that "fortunately, we have no indication that any group is currently thinking in that direction."

Aviation officials amassed so much information about the growing threat posed by terrorists that they conducted classified briefings in mid-2001 for security officials at 19 of the nation's busiest airports to warn of the threat posed in particular by Mr. bin Laden, the report said.

Still, the 9/11 commission concluded that aviation officials did not direct adequate resources or attention to the problem.

"Throughout 2001, the senior leadership of the F.A.A. was focused on congestion and delays within the system and the ever-present issue of safety, but they were not as focused on security," the report said.


The F.A.A. did not see a need to increase the air marshal ranks because hijackings were seen as an overseas threat, and one aviation official told the commission said that airlines did not want to give up revenues by providing free seats to marshals.

The F.A.A. also made no concerted effort to expand their list of terror suspects, which included a dozen names on Sept. 11, the report said. The former head of the F.A.A.'s civil aviation security branch said he was not aware of the government's main watch list, called Tipoff, which included the names of two hijackers who were living in the San Diego area, the report said.

Nor was there evidence that a senior F.A.A. working group on security had ever met in 2001 to discuss "the high threat period that summer," the report said.

Jane F. Garvey, the F.A.A. administrator at the time, told the commission "that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," the report said. But several other senior agency officials "were basically unaware of the threat," as were senior airline operations officials and veteran pilots, the report said.

The classified version of the commission report quotes extensively from circulars prepared by the F.A.A. about the threat of terrorism, but many of those references have been blacked out in the declassified version, officials said.

Several former commissioners and staff members said they were upset and disappointed by the administration's refusal to release the full report publicly.

"Our intention was to make as much information available to the public as soon as possible," said Richard Ben-Veniste, a former Sept. 11 commission member.

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Fear of Flying
Whistle-blowers say the FAA ignored a decade of pre–9-11 warnings
James Ridgeway
Tuesday, February 8th 2005

The staff report from the 9-11 Commission, declassified last week, raises the curtain on a Federal Aviation Administration whose disregard for security is downright ludicrous. Employees of the FAA had been warning for years of the disaster waiting to happen. The FAA's top management not only ignored the warnings, but took steps to make sure the people issuing them shut up.

According to the staff report, in 2001 the agency's security division prepared 105 intelligence summaries for the top brass between April 1 and September 10. Nearly half these mentioned Osama bin Laden by name, but for the most part the summaries said the threats were aimed at targets overseas. Of the 52 notices that mentioned Bin Laden, five discussed terrorists either training for hijackings or already having the capability to carry them out. Two talked about suicide operations, but not having to do with planes. One summary discussed defensive measures being undertaken at Genoa for the G8 summit.

The response of the FAA pooh-bahs to the commission staff's inquiries is mystifying. "[FAA] Administrator [Jane] Garvey told the Commission that she was aware of the heightened threat during the summer of 2001," says the staff report. "However, both FAA Deputy Administrator Monte Belger and his assistant told us in separate interviews that they were unaware of the threat posed by Usama bin Ladin and al Qaeda prior to September 11, 2001." Is this just another case of high government officials botching the job, or is someone lying?

Long before the latest report was released, the FAA had been considered among the weakest of the "independent" regulatory agencies. After the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, the feds sought to improve security, but the major carriers opposed most measures on the grounds that they were unnecessary, cost too much, and discomfited passengers. Time and again over the last decade, efforts were made to persuade the airlines to reinforce cockpit doors, but to no avail. In an ominous warning of things to come, an internal report from the early 1990s said, "Small knives (blade length of four inches or less), the most frequently employed weapon to hijack aircraft (in the U.S.), were used in three incidents." Yet they remained legal to bring onboard, and were used by the 9-11 hijackers.

Another 1993 report showed that in a test, people without authorization broke through the San Francisco airport security system three out of five times—a failure rate of 60 percent. By 1998, out of 450 attempts by the so-called Red Team to breach security at the same airport, 446 succeeded—a failure rate of 99.11 percent. Testers in 1996 at the Frankfurt airport, where the bomb was placed on Pan Am Flight 103, broke through security in 13 out of 13 tries. The situation was so embarrassing that the FAA security chief ordered the group to end its mission, leaving the job of improving security in the hands of the airlines.

In exasperation, Red Team leader Bogdan Dzakovic went over his supervisors and, citing the numerous failures in the system, pleaded with Administrator Jane Garvey. "The U.S. faces a potential tidal wave of terrorist attacks," he wrote. Garvey never replied.

One internal airline memo accurately described the results investigators had been getting: "They managed to get by passenger X-ray screening repeatedly (7 times), having on them a gun sealed under their belt-buckle. Also, having an automatic Mac machine gun under their jacket on their back." The team "repeatedly" succeeded in getting a laptop with a gun inside through screening. They readily entered airline private lounges and put dummy bombs in passengers' carry-on luggage. They snuck with ease onto Skychef food trucks and put bombs in the food containers, receiving only a cheery "hello" from the drivers—if one happened to be awake.

The Red Team renegades wanted people at the FAA or the Department of Transportation, its parent, to pay attention to what was going on, meeting with the chief criminal investigator for DOT. According to fellow Red Team leader Steve Elson, that man would say only, "The whole FAA is so corrupt, I don't know where to begin."

Dzakovic and Elson took the case to the media, with one TV station after another carrying the story. In April 2001, Deborah Sherman of Boston's Fox News conducted her own investigation of Boston's Logan Airport and repeatedly broke through security. Her probe apparently coincided with a similar one by Mohammed Atta, who at the time was conducting surveillance of Logan in planning the 9-11 attack. A tape of the program was hand-delivered to the office of Senator John Kerry. There was no response.

After 9-11, the Red Team was disbanded. Dzakovic got whistle-blower status and continues to speak out on the issue. Elson quit in disgust and went back to school.
The 9-11 gun

The serious government interest in 9-11 now is not who is to be held responsible but how to make sure the airlines get off the hook. Shortly after the attack, the companies turned to Capitol Hill for a bailout. Now they are faced with lawsuits from victims' families, and a key question will be whether any of the hijackers had smuggled a gun aboard one of the planes. It's one thing to move through security with a legal box cutter in a pocket—quite another to make it through with a firearm. The presence of a gun would clearly illustrate a lack of security. And if a gun had been planted aboard a plane, it could be an indication that Al Qaeda had breached our security system even further than previously supposed.

On 9-11, in the hours after the attacks, the FAA issued an executive summary of what went on aboard Flight 11, which hit the World Trade Center. "At approximately 9:18 a.m., it was reported that the two crew members in the cockpit were stabbed. The flight then descended with no communication from the flight crew members," the report read. "The American Airlines FAA Principal Security Inspector (PSI) was notified by Suzanne Clark of American Airlines Corporate Headquarters that an onboard flight attendant contacted American Airlines Operations Center and informed them that a passenger in seat 10B had shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B at 9:20 a.m. The passenger killed was Daniel Lewin, shot by passenger Satam al Suqami. One bullet was reported to have been fired."

That afternoon, say Dzakovic and Elson, an FAA security officer in Washington saw the word "gun" on a bulletin board set up to keep staff members abreast of what was going on in the agency's command center. The FAA subsequently changed its report, removing the reference to a gun, and the 9-11 Commission concluded there had never been one.

However, on Flight 93, passenger Tom Burnett, a medical executive, had called his wife, Deena, and, in one version of the call, said, "They've already knifed a guy. There is a bomb on board. Call the FBI." Deena immediately called emergency officials. Another version of the call had Burnett saying, "One of them has a gun." Tom's call to Deena was not recorded, but Deena's call for help was; on the tape, she says Tom told her: "They just knifed a passenger and there are guns on the plane." Deena later told the London Times, "He told me one of the hijackers had a gun. He wouldn't have made it up. Tom grew up around guns. He was an avid hunter and we have guns in our home. If he said there was a gun on board, there was."
The Rushdie connection

The FAA maintains it had no foreknowledge of an attack by Al Qaeda within the U.S., but there is a continuing series of suggestions that the federal authorities, including the FAA, did in fact know something was about to happen.

One little noticed example concerned novelist Salman Rushdie, who told the
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I would rather you stopped blaming one race, religion, nationality as that is exactly what the Herzls and Foxmans want you to do. They only get strength through similar propaganda that you are spewing.


Propaganada? Haha! So you admit that you don't want facts out? Hmmm...who else do we know that imposes a no-talk rule around certain subjects?

Herzel is dead, but he encouraged real anti-semites to whip up Jew-hatred. Foxman does not encourage this type of discussion, in fact he is just like you; he does not want it discussed!!! Shut up about Israel, the Zionists and Jewish supremacy says Foxman! Sound familiar? Sure sounds it to me!

All of that other stuff about the software systems is compartmentalization at best, created by those who probably don't have the big picture. You know, I respect the work of Anti-Illuminati, but it takes a while to wade through to put together the big picture. Besides, they are probably running Israeli modified software with Mossad back doors installed in it.

You, Dig on the other hand, continually throw up nonesense like the Anglo-Dutch Establishment as a distraction when I bring up Zionism. A actually read that crap and it's Tarply-style nonsense, upholding Roosevelt as some kind of hero and deliberately leaving out the Rothschild banking dynasty. You remember when Tarpley said that the Rothschilds were "low-level operatives?" That's what that document you had me read reminds me of.

Karen Kwiatkowski and Kay Griggs both confirmed that Israeli Zionists own the Pentagon through bribery, treachery, subversion and sexual blackmail. This is not debatable, although you are welcome to try.

Scott Horton Interviews Karen Kwiatkowski
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/06/12/karen-kwiatkowski-3/

The Mossad’s Infiltration Of America
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-mossad-infiltration-of-america/

Arrest of Pentagon Official May Help Unravel Neo-Conservative Cabal
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3219franklin_arrest.html
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« Reply #187 on: September 11, 2010, 02:54:38 PM »

Propaganada? Haha! So you admit that you don't want facts out? Hmmm...who else do we know that imposes a no-talk rule around certain subjects?

Did you read any of the facts above? Do you read anything? Are you upset that you might have to actually do some research?

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Herzel is dead, but he encouraged real anti-semites to whip up Jew-hatred. Foxman does not encourage this type of discussion, in fact he is just like you; he does not want it discussed!!! Shut up about Israel, the Zionists and Jewish supremacy says Foxman! Sound familiar? Sure sounds it to me!

Have you seen Defamation? I think you should watch it and see how much Foxman needs your rhetoric to stay in business.

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All of that other stuff about the software systems is compartmentalization at best, created by those who probably don't have the big picture. You know, I respect the work of Anti-Illuminati, but it takes a while to wade through to put together the big picture. Besides, they are probably running Israeli modified software with Mossad back doors installed in it.

SOFTWARE IS COMPARTMENTALIZED AT BEST?!?!?!

THIS IS THE AGENDA!!!

THIS IS THE ENDGAME, THE CYBERNETICS AGENDA!

WAKE UP!

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You, Dig on the other hand, continually throw up nonesense like the Anglo-Dutch Establishment as a distraction when I bring up Zionism. A actually read that crap and it's Tarply-style nonsense, upholding Roosevelt as some kind of hero and deliberately leaving out the Rothschild banking dynasty. You remember when Tarpley said that the Rothschilds were "low-level operatives?" That's what that document you had me read reminds me of.

bwaaahahaha...do a search on how many times I bring up Rothschild, this is a joke, right? They are part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire through marriage upon marriage upon marriage. They are part of the incestuous psychos and use zionism as much as they iuse the muslim brotherhood, the family, the veiled prophet, skull and bones, and the rest. You really should read more.

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Karen Kwiatkowski and Kay Griggs both confirmed that Israeli Zionists own the Pentagon through bribery, treachery, subversion and sexual blackmail. This is not debatable, although you are welcome to try.[/

Scott Horton Interviews Karen Kwiatkowski
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/06/12/karen-kwiatkowski-3/

The Mossad’s Infiltration Of America
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-mossad-infiltration-of-america/

Arrest of Pentagon Official May Help Unravel Neo-Conservative Cabal
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3219franklin_arrest.html

Dude, you are full of shit, please explain where Kay Griggs says this. Please provide the transcript. Where she says "Israeli Zionists" own the pentagon. She has alluded to powerful zionists just as bill cooper has just as we have just as everyone has. Top Zionists work for the NWO and play a major role as do the Muslim Brotherhood, Skull and Bones, etc. You seem to ignore all of those other group sub elites who worship their Bilderberg and Committee of 300 masters for some reason and who engage in the same Machiavelli/Protocols activities. But most Bilderberg sub elites are owned via the blackmail game. Allen Dulles was awesome at it (Skull and Bones...part of the East India Trading Company). Just watch Night Flight to Moscow which was done like 30 years ago to see how long it was going on. And LaRouche has exposed the fact that the ADL is the public relations arm of Dope, Inc. Dude, your blinders could stop an elephant. Did you even read any of the incontrovertible evidence about 9/11?

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Did you read any of the facts above? Do you read anything? Are you upset that you might have to actually do some research?

Have you seen Defamation? I think you should watch it and see how much Foxman needs your rhetoric to stay in business.

SOFTWARE IS COMPARTMENTALIZED AT BEST?!?!?!

THIS IS THE AGENDA!!!

THIS IS THE ENDGAME, THE CYBERNETICS AGENDA!

WAKE UP!

bwaaahahaha...do a search on how many times I bring up Rothschild, this is a joke, right? They are part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire through marriage upon marriage upon marriage. They are part of the incestuous psychos and use zionism as much as they iuse the muslim brotherhood, the family, the veiled prophet, skull and bones, and the rest. You really should read more.

Dude, you are full of shit, please explain where Kay Griggs says this. Please provide the transcript. Where she says "Israeli Zionists" own the pentagon. She has alluded to powerful zionists just as bill cooper has just as we have just as everyone has. Top Zionists work for the NWO and play a major role as do the Muslim Brotherhood, Skull and Bones, etc. You seem to ignore all of those other group sub elites who worship their Bilderberg and Committee of 300 masters for some reason and who engage in the same Machiavelli/Protocols activities. But most Bilderberg sub elites are owned via the blackmail game. Allen Dulles was awesome at it (Skull and Bones...part of the East India Trading Company). Just watch Night Flight to Moscow which was done like 30 years ago to see how long it was going on. And LaRouche has exposed the fact that the ADL is the public relations arm of Dope, Inc. Dude, your blinders could stop an elephant. Did you even read any of the incontrovertible evidence about 9/11?


Glad you asked; just happened to have this handy. You can also watch her say this on Google Video if you wanna challange the transcript. Accoding to Kay Griggs: The Joint is Zionist Cabbalistic Jews running the Army running the drug and weapons on the black market that would be the Pentagon you know, NATO, which you call Dope, Inc.

http://www.american-buddha.com/littlemovie.mrs.griggstranscript2.htm

http://www.whale.to/b/griggs_h.html


Eric: She claims that the war in Bosnia was also manipulated by these people, and that the CIA is not as important as we assume it is. She believes that most of the secret operations are coming from a group of criminals working within our military and NATO. Sometimes she refers to them as "The Joint."

Kay: The war in Bosnia is simply a stage to train assassins, to be a market for brand new weapons, and to be a marketplace so the drug money can be used.  And the Army runs the whole show. It's totally run by the Army. The CIA is a bogus thing, you know. It's training in doctrine command, it's NATO, it's SHAPE: Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe, started by Eisenhower. It's a totally independent corporation. It's main function is to sell weapons and launder money.

Eric: You're talking about the CIA?

Kay: No, I'm talking about SHAPE. The CIA is kind of bogus. It's just there. [AB-1]

Eric: That's just a trade name for the media to use.

Kay: It's just to confuse us, to get us off the track. It's all being done by Army people who are now Joint.

Eric: She describes "The Joint" as being in New York, and that it acts as a funding organization for their criminal activities.

Kay: The funding organization, one of the funding organizations, was out of New York, and it was called "The Joint." And Meyer Lansky -- see, our Mob, the organized crime, the Jewish Kabbalhist group ...

Eric: In her eight hours of interview, she lets out a lot of accusations. And she accuses a lot of high ranking government officials of a lot of serious crimes. She does not show any signs of hesitation or fear except when asked one particular question. In this next segment, she is explaining that both her uncle and her husband were involved in secret weapons sales to a certain country for "The Joint." Which country? And who is "The Joint"? This is the only issue that she hesitates to talk about. However, after saying the "Z" word, she returns to normal and resumes her accusations of murder, corruption and sexual perversion.

Kay: You know, selling weapons to whatever country. I know the country, but in other words, they were doing work for "The Joint" under the table all these years.

Eric: Okay, and directly under whose instructions to sell these weapons? Do you know that?

Kay: Yeah.

Eric: Okay, who would that be?

Kay: Well, it's an Israeli Zionist group in New York.

Eric: Mossad?

Kay: Well, yeah, but everybody thinks Mossad like they think CIA. CIA is just sort of a bogus kind of thing. It's really Army Intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group. Harvard professors connected with Tavistock, Darisalom (sp?), and there's a sexual perversion group in Vienna, and one in Colorado.  I think that little girl was part of that experiment, you know who ...

Eric: Jon Benet?

Kay: Yeah.

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Kay: Well, yeah, but everybody thinks Mossad like they think CIA. CIA is just sort of a bogus kind of thing. It's really Army Intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group. Harvard professors connected with Tavistock, Darisalom (sp?), and there's a sexual perversion group in Vienna, and one in Colorado.  I think that little girl was part of that experiment, you know who ...


Derrrrr....

How many places?

How many organizations?

Derrrrr....

And that was out of 8 hours of interview...derrrrrrrrr

And who did much of the secret weapons sales to Israel and were caught red handed?

General Electric owned by Harriman (Skull and Bones) on behalf of the Queen Bitch...derrrrr...

Wow, amazing.

This might give you a bit of perspective from your buddy Alan Watt:



http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_AmericanAwakening_w_MichaelHerzog_July202007.html

Alan: Hello. I'm Alan Watt filling in for Michael Herzog and we're talking there from a caller on some Jewish influence in this New World Order; this Zionism basically. Zionism has many levels of meanings depending upon which circle you join. You have to go back in history to find out really how this whole world agenda was planned; when it was planned; who participated and which groups were to be involved. If you go back to the writings of John Stuart Mill, who was an economist in England in the 1700s and then his son took over of the same name, also an economist working for the nobility and the elite establishment of London. They drafted up a series of races which would be useful to achieve this end. In fact, they also drew up a list of races that completely considered inferior, which should not be allowed to come through. They saw them as being destructive and would have to be eliminated. Hitler gets the blame of drafting these up. He simply copied them from Mill's and H.G. Wells who worked for the British Elite.

H.G. Wells wrote a summary of history called "The History of the World, Part 1 and 2". It was finished by his son in New York, but he also drafted up the list of chosen peoples that would be useful for the dominant minority to use to bring it all about. They chose to bring in Jewish people because they said they had great management experience and great education. They'd proven through times of turbulence and horror they could still come through on top. They were survivalists and they were very good of course at managing the money system; and so they decided to bring in what eventually was called Zionism. However, it was run from London and other groups apart from the Zionists were to come into this.

You've got to understand that at the top of Zionism, which was funded in fact into existence by not just Rothschild, but also by the British Establishment. At the top, they're all psychopathic and you have them in every culture. They can be the head of some group in China or the heads of some of the Hindu groups. They don't care what name they give themselves at the top or what cover they go under, a psychopath is a psychopath, and you have a world club of the elite psychopaths today. You have aristocracy amongst them all. You have Jewish aristocracy that never mixes with the ordinary Jewish person and they intermarry, too, and interbred at a higher level.

You'll find the Balfour Declaration if you read the whole thing. It's very interesting because Balfour who was the Prime Minister of England at the time also went through this process of why they had to setup and outpost in the Middle East and they would use the Jews to do it and they would setup an [Ulster]. If you understand what [Ulster] meant, it was setting up a British post in Ireland that would cause mayhem up to the present day with Catholics and Protestants. You put a foreign people in the midst of people that you want to conquer. They create eternal strife and there has to be a resolution down the road, as people become war weary. That's why they setup the State of Israel. The British government pulled thousands and thousands of troops from the World War I fronts, the trenches in Europe and put them into the Middle East to takeover Palestine from the Ottoman Empire; the Turkish Empire that ruled it at the time. Britain did the fighting. Britain took it over and Lord Storrs was put over that on behalf of the Queen as the Counselor General and he ran Palestine. You should read his books as they setup the future State of Israel, the books are called "Orientations," and read his memoirs as well. Lots of good information written from the horse's mouth. He also said “we are setting up a new Ulster in the Middle East.” It would serve Britain for years to come. There's more to this than meets the eye.

Henri:  That's very interesting what you're saying, but I also was told by a couple of sources that the British Royalty is – the British Royalty, the Spanish Royalty, and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands are not the real royalty at all, but they are really Rothschild or Rothschild people.

Alan:  No. They’re Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is their real name. They're Prussian. What you'll find at the top is that the psychopaths who have power and money will breed with any other people with power and money and who are also psychopaths. See we're so easy with this. We want to find a specific target because “obviously the ordinary gentile guy couldn't do this monstrous stuff to gentiles.” That's hogwash. The history of this world is with people beating up other people, sometimes the guy living next door to you. We're certainly capable of being very destructive to our own people. Read your own histories.  I’ll tell you one thing. The ancient Egyptians did it too. The ancient Sumerians did it.
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« Reply #190 on: September 11, 2010, 04:25:38 PM »

Again, you seem to be completely unwilling to answer most questions or defend most of your points of view. Well here ya go, let's see if this helps you out...

Propaganada? Haha! So you admit that you don't want facts out? Hmmm...who else do we know that imposes a no-talk rule around certain subjects?

Did you read any of the facts above? Do you read anything? Are you upset that you might have to actually do some research?

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Herzel is dead, but he encouraged real anti-semites to whip up Jew-hatred. Foxman does not encourage this type of discussion, in fact he is just like you; he does not want it discussed!!! Shut up about Israel, the Zionists and Jewish supremacy says Foxman! Sound familiar? Sure sounds it to me!

Have you seen Defamation? I think you should watch it and see how much Foxman needs your rhetoric to stay in business.

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All of that other stuff about the software systems is compartmentalization at best, created by those who probably don't have the big picture. You know, I respect the work of Anti-Illuminati, but it takes a while to wade through to put together the big picture. Besides, they are probably running Israeli modified software with Mossad back doors installed in it.

SOFTWARE IS COMPARTMENTALIZED AT BEST?!?!?!

THIS IS THE AGENDA!!!

THIS IS THE ENDGAME, THE CYBERNETICS AGENDA!

WAKE UP!

BTW - Kay Griggs confirms the cybernetics agenda when she discusses cloning, but you wouldn't know because you never sat through the 8 hours a few times.

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You, Dig on the other hand, continually throw up nonesense like the Anglo-Dutch Establishment as a distraction when I bring up Zionism. A actually read that crap and it's Tarply-style nonsense, upholding Roosevelt as some kind of hero and deliberately leaving out the Rothschild banking dynasty. You remember when Tarpley said that the Rothschilds were "low-level operatives?" That's what that document you had me read reminds me of.

bwaaahahaha...do a search on how many times I bring up Rothschild, this is a joke, right? They are part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire through marriage upon marriage upon marriage. They are part of the incestuous psychos and use zionism as much as they iuse the muslim brotherhood, the family, the veiled prophet, skull and bones, and the rest. You really should read more.

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« Reply #191 on: September 11, 2010, 05:37:08 PM »

Poll from Mike Rivero's whatreallyhappened.com today:

Who did 9-11?
By: Mike Rivero
Tags: 911
Osama Bin Laden
2% (84 votes)

Israel & US together
91% (4393 votes)
 
US alone
2% (117 votes)

Israel alone
5% (224 votes)
 
Total votes: 4818

http://whatreallyhappened.com
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Personally, I think Mike Duff and others are compnay and they are trying to deflect from CIA involvement in 911.  I am a vet, and he definitely doesn't represent me, nor does "Veterans Today".

We should indeed never forget 911: the inside job.
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« Reply #192 on: September 11, 2010, 05:48:33 PM »

Poll from Mike Rivero's whatreallyhappened.com today:

Who did 9-11?
By: Mike Rivero
Tags: 911
Osama Bin Laden
2% (84 votes)

Israel & US together
91% (4393 votes)
 
US alone
2% (117 votes)

Israel alone
5% (224 votes)
 
Total votes: 4818

http://whatreallyhappened.com
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Personally, I think Mike Duff and others are compnay and they are trying to deflect from CIA involvement in 911.  I am a vet, and he definitely doesn't represent me, nor does "Veterans Today".

We should indeed never forget 911: the inside job.

osama bin laden got 84 votes on Mike's site?

Now that is something!
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« Reply #193 on: September 11, 2010, 05:53:13 PM »

I agree.  That's wack.

WTF are those people even doing there?

I guess even Pentagon employees have to be allowed to vote.
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« Reply #194 on: September 12, 2010, 01:38:40 PM »

Derrrrr....

How many places?

How many organizations?

Derrrrr....

And that was out of 8 hours of interview...derrrrrrrrr

And who did much of the secret weapons sales to Israel and were caught red handed?

General Electric owned by Harriman (Skull and Bones) on behalf of the Queen Bitch...derrrrr...

Wow, amazing.

This might give you a bit of perspective from your buddy Alan Watt:


Well you asked and I delivered. She said:

"It's all being done by Army people who are now Joint...It's all a very small group."

Meaning that the Army people who work for the joing. Note, it's a small group, not a large corporation like GE. Of course a corporation and it's shareholders are going to benefit and profit, but she implies that at the top giving the orders, are the Zionists. A small group of Zionists. That's what she said.
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« Reply #195 on: September 12, 2010, 03:45:14 PM »

Well you asked and I delivered. She said:

"It's all being done by Army people who are now Joint...It's all a very small group."

Meaning that the Army people who work for the joing. Note, it's a small group, not a large corporation like GE. Of course a corporation and it's shareholders are going to benefit and profit, but she implies that at the top giving the orders, are the Zionists. A small group of Zionists. That's what she said.

And she says that the group in NY "were doing work for "The Joint" under the table all these years"

And she said that the group in NY "doing work for The Joint" were getting orders from " an Israeli Zionist group in New York"

And then she also mentions as everyone else...

"It's really Army Intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group. Harvard professors connected with Tavistock, Darisalom (sp?), and there's a sexual perversion group in Vienna, and one in Colorado."

You said that she said that Israeli Zionists "own" the Pentagon. You are full of shit. She mentions one Israeli Zionist group giving orders to one group in "The Joint" in the area of illegal weapons trading.

You said that she said "Israeli Zionists own the Pentagon" then you said "this is not debatable".

You then did not take the original 8 hour transcript but a summary version. And when exposed, you do the same thing you always do...ignore the whole thing. Cool huh? Now why wouldn't you watch the 8 hour interview if you actually gave a shit about this country, why must you always take the spliced and diced versions of material just because the words "zionist, jew, israel" are mentioned. You have already confirmed that you avoid reading anything that does not include those terms.

and here it is again, your other unanswered questions (3rd time is a charm):



Again, you seem to be completely unwilling to answer most questions or defend most of your points of view. Well here ya go, let's see if this helps you out...

Propaganada? Haha! So you admit that you don't want facts out? Hmmm...who else do we know that imposes a no-talk rule around certain subjects?

Did you read any of the facts above? Do you read anything? Are you upset that you might have to actually do some research?

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Herzel is dead, but he encouraged real anti-semites to whip up Jew-hatred. Foxman does not encourage this type of discussion, in fact he is just like you; he does not want it discussed!!! Shut up about Israel, the Zionists and Jewish supremacy says Foxman! Sound familiar? Sure sounds it to me!

Have you seen Defamation? I think you should watch it and see how much Foxman needs your rhetoric to stay in business.

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All of that other stuff about the software systems is compartmentalization at best, created by those who probably don't have the big picture. You know, I respect the work of Anti-Illuminati, but it takes a while to wade through to put together the big picture. Besides, they are probably running Israeli modified software with Mossad back doors installed in it.

SOFTWARE IS COMPARTMENTALIZED AT BEST?!?!?!

THIS IS THE AGENDA!!!

THIS IS THE ENDGAME, THE CYBERNETICS AGENDA!

WAKE UP!

BTW - Kay Griggs confirms the cybernetics agenda when she discusses cloning, but you wouldn't know because you never sat through the 8 hours a few times.

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You, Dig on the other hand, continually throw up nonesense like the Anglo-Dutch Establishment as a distraction when I bring up Zionism. A actually read that crap and it's Tarply-style nonsense, upholding Roosevelt as some kind of hero and deliberately leaving out the Rothschild banking dynasty. You remember when Tarpley said that the Rothschilds were "low-level operatives?" That's what that document you had me read reminds me of.

bwaaahahaha...do a search on how many times I bring up Rothschild, this is a joke, right? They are part of the Anglo-Dutch Empire through marriage upon marriage upon marriage. They are part of the incestuous psychos and use zionism as much as they iuse the muslim brotherhood, the family, the veiled prophet, skull and bones, and the rest. You really should read more.



And here is again something you should read:

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_on_AmericanAwakening_w_MichaelHerzog_July202007.html

Alan: Hello. I'm Alan Watt filling in for Michael Herzog and we're talking there from a caller on some Jewish influence in this New World Order; this Zionism basically. Zionism has many levels of meanings depending upon which circle you join. You have to go back in history to find out really how this whole world agenda was planned; when it was planned; who participated and which groups were to be involved. If you go back to the writings of John Stuart Mill, who was an economist in England in the 1700s and then his son took over of the same name, also an economist working for the nobility and the elite establishment of London. They drafted up a series of races which would be useful to achieve this end. In fact, they also drew up a list of races that completely considered inferior, which should not be allowed to come through. They saw them as being destructive and would have to be eliminated. Hitler gets the blame of drafting these up. He simply copied them from Mill's and H.G. Wells who worked for the British Elite.

H.G. Wells wrote a summary of history called "The History of the World, Part 1 and 2". It was finished by his son in New York, but he also drafted up the list of chosen peoples that would be useful for the dominant minority to use to bring it all about. They chose to bring in Jewish people because they said they had great management experience and great education. They'd proven through times of turbulence and horror they could still come through on top. They were survivalists and they were very good of course at managing the money system; and so they decided to bring in what eventually was called Zionism. However, it was run from London and other groups apart from the Zionists were to come into this.

You've got to understand that at the top of Zionism, which was funded in fact into existence by not just Rothschild, but also by the British Establishment. At the top, they're all psychopathic and you have them in every culture. They can be the head of some group in China or the heads of some of the Hindu groups. They don't care what name they give themselves at the top or what cover they go under, a psychopath is a psychopath, and you have a world club of the elite psychopaths today. You have aristocracy amongst them all. You have Jewish aristocracy that never mixes with the ordinary Jewish person and they intermarry, too, and interbred at a higher level.

You'll find the Balfour Declaration if you read the whole thing. It's very interesting because Balfour who was the Prime Minister of England at the time also went through this process of why they had to setup and outpost in the Middle East and they would use the Jews to do it and they would setup an [Ulster]. If you understand what [Ulster] meant, it was setting up a British post in Ireland that would cause mayhem up to the present day with Catholics and Protestants. You put a foreign people in the midst of people that you want to conquer. They create eternal strife and there has to be a resolution down the road, as people become war weary. That's why they setup the State of Israel. The British government pulled thousands and thousands of troops from the World War I fronts, the trenches in Europe and put them into the Middle East to takeover Palestine from the Ottoman Empire; the Turkish Empire that ruled it at the time. Britain did the fighting. Britain took it over and Lord Storrs was put over that on behalf of the Queen as the Counselor General and he ran Palestine. You should read his books as they setup the future State of Israel, the books are called "Orientations," and read his memoirs as well. Lots of good information written from the horse's mouth. He also said “we are setting up a new Ulster in the Middle East.” It would serve Britain for years to come. There's more to this than meets the eye.

Henri:  That's very interesting what you're saying, but I also was told by a couple of sources that the British Royalty is – the British Royalty, the Spanish Royalty, and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands are not the real royalty at all, but they are really Rothschild or Rothschild people.

Alan:  No. They’re Saxe-Coburg-Gotha is their real name. They're Prussian. What you'll find at the top is that the psychopaths who have power and money will breed with any other people with power and money and who are also psychopaths. See we're so easy with this. We want to find a specific target because “obviously the ordinary gentile guy couldn't do this monstrous stuff to gentiles.” That's hogwash. The history of this world is with people beating up other people, sometimes the guy living next door to you. We're certainly capable of being very destructive to our own people. Read your own histories.  I’ll tell you one thing. The ancient Egyptians did it too. The ancient Sumerians did it.

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http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163726.new;topicseen#new

And she says that the group in NY "were doing work for "The Joint" under the table all these years"

And she said that the group in NY "doing work for The Joint" were getting orders from " an Israeli Zionist group in New York"

And then she also mentions as everyone else...

"It's really Army Intelligence that does just about everything. They run a lot of the psychological profiling which is done at Quantico with the FBI. It's all a very small group. Harvard professors connected with Tavistock, Darisalom (sp?), and there's a sexual perversion group in Vienna, and one in Colorado."

You said that she said "Israeli Zionists own the Pentagon" then you said "this is not debatable".

I thought wasn't debatable. Perhaps I was wrong since you seem to want to challenge that assertion, yet you basically refused to challenge any of my links that support my assertion.

You've merely played around with Kay Grigg's wording and given your interpretation. Then you called me a liar and then you posted a flood of information that you demand that I address.

Just to recap: she implies that the Joint are a small group of Israelis, Zionists or both who are behind the black market weapon sales and drug dealing, with a small group within the army responsible for carrying out the orders of the Joint. Zionists Jews are at the top, there's no other way that you can read that. Sure there are others involved who aren't all Jews, but you look at the top, the bankers, the same names are always there. Harvard has been hijacked by Zionists for decades as well if you haven't already figured that out. Summers, Kagan, Sunstein ect and then there are the gentile academics like John Holdren. But who's giving the marching orders? I know this is painful stuff, especially since you would prefer me to praise Israel instead of pointing out that Israel obviously controls the United States and obviously played the leading role in carrying out the 9/11 terror attacks.

You then did not take the original 8 hour transcript but a summary version. And when exposed, you do the same thing you always do...ignore the whole thing. Cool huh?


I have watched the whole interview before, in parts over the course of a week or so, however it's been several years since that time. I d not remember everthing that she said and she has said a lot. The only reason that I cherry picked this statement is because it is relevant to this thread's topic of Israel Zionism and 9/11. This quote was also used in a older 9/11 documentary which was used to support the premise that Israel did 9/11.This was banned on YouTube and Google. Perhaps you are right and it is time to review her information again.

Now why wouldn't you watch the 8 hour interview if you actually gave a shit about this country, why must you always take the spliced and diced versions of material just because the words "zionist, jew, israel" are mentioned.You have already confirmed that you avoid reading anything that does not include those terms.

Again that's not quite true. In that other thread where I did a keyword search, we were on the topic of Israel, Zionism and 9/11. That was the topic of the thread, and for the most part that is the topic of this thread. You posted a pdf on the Anglo-Dutch establishment but I couldn't figure out why you posted it and you gave no reason for doing so. That's when I did a keyword search for Israel, Zionism, Jews, Rothschild ect to see if the document was relevant to the topic of the thread. Nothing came up, so therefore I determined that it was off-topic, but I read the thing anyways.

I learned that the origins of the anti-humanity movements and modern day slavery through debt comes from, and where our current model for the modern day central banking comes from. Good information for sure, but I felt that the document shyed away from anything after the early 1800's, particularly the Rothschild banking dynasty and used fuzzy terms like "private investors" to decribe the people who seem to own everything today. They may be "private investors" but they are probably not "secret investors."

You said that she said that Israeli Zionists "own" the Pentagon. You are full of shit. She mentions one Israeli Zionist group giving orders to one group in "The Joint" in the area of illegal weapons trading.
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Well let's review some information, and we'll let the readers judge who runs the Pentagon:

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Kay: They are selling weapons! I mean, that is what the military is doing. It's totally controlled by the Mob.

Again, it is implied by Griggs that the Mob, whom we've already confirmed is "the Joint," or the Zionists who is responsible for the weapons sales, not the Army.

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General Truffey (sp?) who took over after the Vietnam War was over. And he was on C-Span in August 1996 with former Ambassador Whitehead, and a few of the other State Department Vietnam people, and General Truffey had been holding these things in for years. He was on C Span. This man let it all out. He said, "I took over at the end of the Vietnam War. I was in control, right? Big general in charge. So I say, 'Cut off the shipment of weapons.' So I tell the Pentagon, 'Cut off the shipment of weapons.' " He said, "I got a phone call from Henry Kissinger saying, 'The weapons are going to continue at the wartime rate.'

Ok, so now we can see that top globalist AKA Zionist Heinz "military men are dumb stupid animals" Kissinger has basically run the Pentagon since Vietnam. Oh but Kissinger is not a Zionist you might say. He's had policies that were against the policies of Israel. Well so have other Zionists like Ariel Sharon and Yitzhak Rabin and they got were murdered as there is no honor among theives. As I've stated in other threads name of the game for World Zionism is Jerusalem.

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"... At the same time, the administration should reject the siren song that an Iraqi intervention should be preceded by a solution of the Palestine issue. It is not true that the road to Baghdad leads through Jerusalem. Much more likely, the road to Jerusalem will lead through Baghdad." Heinz Kissinger (Zionist)

Source Orwell Today - "Zionism In America"

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http://www.cfr.org/publication/18515/remarks_by_national_security_adviser_jones_at_45th_munich_conference_on_security_policy.html

Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through Generaal Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today.

James Jones, National Security Advisor

Ok, so we see that James Jones has validated Kay Grigg's claims, even though I could not find another source for the name of that general who took over after Vietnam. We see that,  as far as the drugs and weapons trade goes, with Heinz Kissinger having calling the shots since the 60's. And we know that Kissinger was the only one powerful enough to have covered up 9/11, so he basically put himself in charge, until a bunch of housewives called him out for the criminal that he is. So another Zionist was put in charge to cover up 9/11 to write the 9/11 science fiction novel.

But do we have more evidence that Zionists are running the Pentagon?


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The FBI investigated Wolfowitz for having provided documents to Israel on a proposed sale of US weapons to an Arab country.

Treason In High Places: Pentagon Zionists, AIPAC And Israel

by James Petras (esteemed anti-Semite as labelled by the ADL)

http://lahaine.org/petras/articulo.php?p=1649&more=1&c=1

The FBI investigation into Israeli espionage agents in the Pentagon is part of a major struggle between prominent Zionists in the Pentagon and the US security apparatus. Ever since the Bush regime came to power there has been a fierce political and organizational war between the Pentagon Zionists and their militarist collaborators, on the one hand, and the professional military and intelligence apparatus, on the other. This conflict has manifested itself in a series of major issues including the war in the Middle East, the rational for war, the relationship between Israel and the US, the strategy for empire, as well as tactical issues like the size of military force needed for colonial wars and the nature of colonial occupation. From 9/11/2001 to the invasion of Iraq, the Pentagon Zionists and the civilian militarists had the upper hand: they marginalized the CIA and established their own intelligence services to “cook the data”, they pushed through the doctrine of sequential wars, beginning with Afghanistan and Iraq and projecting wars with Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries. The Pentagon Zionists increased Israel’s power in the Middle East and promoted its expansionist colonization of Palestine, at the expense of US soldiers, budget busting expenditures and CIA objections.

The US military and security apparatus has retaliated. First by debunking Zionist lies about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, then by exposing the role of Zionist client Ahmed Chalabi as a double agent for Iran, followed by a two-year investigation of Pentagon Zionists passing documents to Israeli military intelligence and the secret police, the Mossad.

More is at stake than a turf war between the ‘Israel First’ Pentagon crowd and their opponents in the US military, diplomatic corp and intelligence agencies. The fundamental issue is the freedom of the US people to decide or at least influence their political leaders and their appointees without being subject to the manipulation and control by a foreign government (Israel) and their highly placed agents in positions of power.

Israel has for decades subverted US foreign policy to serve its interests through the organized power of major Jewish organizations in the US. What is new in the current Pentagon spy case is that rather than pressuring from the outside to secure favorable policies for Israel, the Israel loyalists are in top positions within the government making strategic decisions about US global policy and providing their Israeli handlers with secret documents pertaining to top level discussions in the White House on questions of war and peace. Today the politics of Pentagon and AIPAC ( American Israel Public Affairs Committee ) espionage is especially dangerous ­ because what is at stake is a new US and/or Israeli war on Iran which will ignite the entire Middle East.

The move to high-level spying by top Zionist policy-makers like Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Paul Wolfowitz and others in the Bush Administration is the culmination of a long series of strategic policies promoted by AIPAC designed to enhance Israeli expansionist goals in the Middle East.

Wolfowitz, Feith, Abrams, Perle, Rubin et al were the most zealous promoters of the war against Iraq. They worked closely with other Zionist ideologues like Bush speechwriter David Frum to promote the notion of “axes of evil”, to engage in a sequence of wars against Muslim regimes hostile to Israeli colonial policy in Palestine and beyond. Wolfowitz, Feith set up the parallel ‘intelligence’ agency (the Office of Special Planning) run by fellow Zionist Abram Shulsky using Chalabi to provide phony data on Iraq to precipitate that war. An army of ‘Israel First’ academic and journalist ideologues wrote, spoke and acted to justify the US attack on Iraq as the first part of a regional war to destroy any and all regimes critical of Israeli expansionism. Cohen, Rubin, Kristol, Foxman, Ledeen and many others provided “expert” propaganda on why US soldiers should kill and be killed for Greater Israel. Almost daily meetings and consultations took place between the top Zionists officials and the Israeli military and intelligence leaders in the offices of Feith and other Zionists. The Pentagon offices of Feith and Wolfowitz appeared to be an upscale bordello for high ranking Israeli officials. Judging from the subsequent policies it is clear that Pentagon Zionists took their cues from their Israeli counterparts ­ Israel was given greater funding, unlimited access to US policy makers and information pertaining to US policy in the Middle East. Meantime US intelligence and military officials were marginalized, their objections to Israeli positions blown away, their very presence seen as obstacles to realizing Sharon’s vision of a Greater Israeli ­ sharing (?) domination over the Middle East.

Given the high level of structural collaboration and integration of US Pentagon Zionists and US Jewish organizations with the Israeli state, the boundaries of what is United States policies and interests and what are Israeli prerogatives and interests are blurred. From the perspective of the Pentagon Zionists and their organized Jewish supporters, it is “natural” that the US spends billions to finance Israeli military power and territorial expansion. It is “natural” to transfer strategic documents from the Pentagon to the Israeli State. As Haaritz states, “Why would Israel have to steal documents when they can find out whatever they want through official meetings?” The routinization of espionage via official consultations between Israeli and US Zionist officials became public knowledge throughout the executive branch. Only it wasn’t called espionage, it was referred to as ‘exchanging intelligence’, only the Israelis sent ‘disinformation’ to the Pentagon Zionists to serve their interests while the latter passed on the real policies, positions and strategies of the US government.

The history of the key Zionists in the Pentagon reveals a pattern of disloyalty to the US and covert assistance to Israel. Harold Rhode and William Luti, both fanatical Pentagon Zionists under Feith, Wolfowitz and I. Lewis Libby have been under investigation by the FBI for passing documents to Israel. Rhode had his security clearance suspended recently. CIA operatives in Baghdad reported he was constantly on his cell phone to Israel reporting on US plans, military deployments, political projects, Iraqi assets and a host of other confidential information. Michael Ledeen, another influential Zionist policy maker who worked in the Pentagon lost his security clearance after he was accused of passing classified material to a ‘foreign country (Israel). In 2001 Feith hired Ledeen to work for the Office of Special Plans which handled top secret documents. Feith himself was fired in March 1983 from the National Security Council for providing Israel with classified data. The FBI investigated Wolfowitz for having provided documents to Israel on a proposed sale of US weapons to an Arab country.

It is clear that Israeli agents, not simply Zionists ideologues, infest the top echelon of the Pentagon. The question is not merely a question of taking this or that policy position in favor of Israel but of working systematically on a whole range of issues to further Israeli power over and against US imperialinterests.

This article talks of a turf war between the Zionist faction of the Pentagon that have usurped that military establishment of the Pentagon through bribery, treachery and subversion. They own it, for now.




and here it is again, your other unanswered questions (3rd time is a charm):

Did you read any of the facts above? Do you read anything? Are you upset that you might have to actually do some research?.

As with many others on the forum, I've come across much of the information that is posted here. I don't always have time to read everything, but I do a considerable amount of reading when I can.

Have you seen Defamation? I think you should watch it and see how much Foxman needs your rhetoric to stay in business.

Yes, I've seen it and it is an excellent documentary that I recommend everyone to see. Twice. And it is pretty clear in the video that the Anti-Defamation League gets far more milage and political capital from their lobbying efforts when there is either threats of violence or actual violence against Jews/Jewish targets. Neither I, nor DBS, or WUFUS, or Bro Nathanael or any other (anti-Semites) ad violence towards Jews nor am I threatening Jews. The ADL knows what is being said here is true.

THIS IS THE ENDGAME, THE CYBERNETICS AGENDA!

Ok, this may be so but we haven't reached that point yet. At least we know the plan and the bankers as usual will be behind it, let's help the sheeple by pointing the fingers in the right direction.


This warrants more research, for sure so I will note this and see what I can come up with. If you have more documentation on this I'd love to see it, but until then, this is Watt talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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« Reply #197 on: September 14, 2010, 04:27:08 PM »

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163726.new;topicseen#new

I thought wasn't debatable. Perhaps I was wrong since you seem to want to challenge that assertion, yet you basically refused to challenge any of my links that support my assertion.

You've merely played around with Kay Grigg's wording and given your interpretation. Then you called me a liar and then you posted a flood of information that you demand that I address.

Just to recap: she implies that the Joint are a small group of Israelis, Zionists or both who are behind the black market weapon sales and drug dealing, with a small group within the army responsible for carrying out the orders of the Joint. Zionists Jews are at the top, there's no other way that you can read that. Sure there are others involved who aren't all Jews, but you look at the top, the bankers, the same names are always there. Harvard has been hijacked by Zionists for decades as well if you haven't already figured that out. Summers, Kagan, Sunstein ect and then there are the gentile academics like John Holdren. But who's giving the marching orders? I know this is painful stuff, especially since you would prefer me to praise Israel instead of pointing out that Israel obviously controls the United States and obviously played the leading role in carrying out the 9/11 terror attacks.
 

I have watched the whole interview before, in parts over the course of a week or so, however it's been several years since that time. I d not remember everthing that she said and she has said a lot. The only reason that I cherry picked this statement is because it is relevant to this thread's topic of Israel Zionism and 9/11. This quote was also used in a older 9/11 documentary which was used to support the premise that Israel did 9/11.This was banned on YouTube and Google. Perhaps you are right and it is time to review her information again.

Again that's not quite true. In that other thread where I did a keyword search, we were on the topic of Israel, Zionism and 9/11. That was the topic of the thread, and for the most part that is the topic of this thread. You posted a pdf on the Anglo-Dutch establishment but I couldn't figure out why you posted it and you gave no reason for doing so. That's when I did a keyword search for Israel, Zionism, Jews, Rothschild ect to see if the document was relevant to the topic of the thread. Nothing came up, so therefore I determined that it was off-topic, but I read the thing anyways.

I learned that the origins of the anti-humanity movements and modern day slavery through debt comes from, and where our current model for the modern day central banking comes from. Good information for sure, but I felt that the document shyed away from anything after the early 1800's, particularly the Rothschild banking dynasty and used fuzzy terms like "private investors" to decribe the people who seem to own everything today. They may be "private investors" but they are probably not "secret investors."
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Well let's review some information, and we'll let the readers judge who runs the Pentagon:

Again, it is implied by Griggs that the Mob, whom we've already confirmed is "the Joint," or the Zionists who is responsible for the weapons sales, not the Army.

Ok, so now we can see that top globalist AKA Zionist Heinz "military men are dumb stupid animals" Kissinger has basically run the Pentagon since Vietnam. Oh but Kissinger is not a Zionist you might say. He's had policies that were against the policies of Israel. Well so have other Zionists like Ariel Sharon and Yitzhak Rabin and they got were murdered as there is no honor among theives. As I've stated in other threads name of the game for World Zionism is Jerusalem.

Source Orwell Today - "Zionism In America"

Ok, so we see that James Jones has validated Kay Grigg's claims, even though I could not find another source for the name of that general who took over after Vietnam. We see that,  as far as the drugs and weapons trade goes, with Heinz Kissinger having calling the shots since the 60's. And we know that Kissinger was the only one powerful enough to have covered up 9/11, so he basically put himself in charge, until a bunch of housewives called him out for the criminal that he is. So another Zionist was put in charge to cover up 9/11 to write the 9/11 science fiction novel.

But do we have more evidence that Zionists are running the Pentagon?


This article talks of a turf war between the Zionist faction of the Pentagon that have usurped that military establishment of the Pentagon through bribery, treachery and subversion. They own it, for now.


As with many others on the forum, I've come across much of the information that is posted here. I don't always have time to read everything, but I do a considerable amount of reading when I can.

Yes, I've seen it and it is an excellent documentary that I recommend everyone to see. Twice. And it is pretty clear in the video that the Anti-Defamation League gets far more milage and political capital from their lobbying efforts when there is either threats of violence or actual violence against Jews/Jewish targets. Neither I, nor DBS, or WUFUS, or Bro Nathanael or any other (anti-Semites) ad violence towards Jews nor am I threatening Jews. The ADL knows what is being said here is true.

Ok, this may be so but we haven't reached that point yet. At least we know the plan and the bankers as usual will be behind it, let's help the sheeple by pointing the fingers in the right direction.

This warrants more research, for sure so I will note this and see what I can come up with. If you have more documentation on this I'd love to see it, but until then, this is Watt talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Watt talking out of both sides of his mouth?

All the stuff about the cybernetics agenda just being "compartmentalization at best, created by those who probably don't have the big picture".

You really should read what you write...

Talking out of both sides of your mouth and being compartmentalized at best, not allowing you to have the big picture. Quite fitting.

But your analysis simply fits into the compartmentalized paradigm to blame one race, religion, nationality rather than an elite class who feel they are above race, religion, and nationality. The same ideology for over 10,000 years before the jews, israel, and the zionists. The reason that you assist Foxman is not because you promote violence (that is one level of issues that Foxman tries to blur lines with), it is because you allow him to say "see people do feel that the enemy is race/religion/nationality based." You have openly admitted this, so I am unsure why you are shying away from that admonishion now. Maybe I misjudged you and you do not feel that the top of the pyramid has any common denominator of race/religion/nationality. Maybe you truly believe that is simply an elite class of intermarried families not based on a single erace/religion/nationality. Maybe you did wake up, I am not sure.

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« Reply #198 on: September 14, 2010, 04:36:33 PM »

The real global elite are not concerned with conventional religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc.) except to subvert and co-opt it, and they are not concerned with Jewish genetic heritage either from what I can see, in fact those Jewish members of it practice intermarriage with other elite "Goyim" all the time when it serves their purposes (to develop connections with European royalty, aristocracy etc.)

Whatever they are all about, they care neither about religion nor Jesus's relatives from what I can see.

As for  9/11 it was undoubtedly a collaboration involving U.S and Israeli intelligence along with intelligence agents, operatives and assets from other countries as well.  The Israeli only theory doesn't hold water.  This is why the truth movement has rejected it wholesale.  It smells of disinfo.  This is the conclusion I have come to at least.  Another red herring.
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« Reply #199 on: September 20, 2010, 08:24:58 PM »

The Pentagon's 2.3 trillion missing went somewhere. Money doesn't disappear it just changes hands and my guess is that it got funneled to "The Joint."
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