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Offline Ruth

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Re: The Ugly Truth--Dr. Alan Sabrosky: The Military KNOWS Israel Did 911!
« Reply #240 on: November 04, 2010, 04:00:51 AM »
I have spent countless hours looking at 911.

Saborsky gave ZERO evidence for his allegations.  His only mention of addressing evidence connecting Israel with 911 was showing "people" Jowenko's commenting on WTC 7 collapse --thats it. 

Israel/Mossad may have played a role but this is just more spouting without substance.
 

Looks like you have wasted your 'countless hours' then.  Who do you think controls American Foreign Policy, by the way?  If some elements of Israel were not involved at least in the background, then who was?

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That could be read two ways.  You are choosing to read it one way.  A word to the wise is sufficient.Circumstantial evidence, by definition, is not very damning.  (Yes, I DO respond to weak arguments -- to point out their weakness.)

The evidence is in between circumstantial and damning.

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Well, that doesn't sound very damning at all, does it?

Yes, I know what you are referring to I think it's like playing "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon".

You'd be surprised all the figures I would be connected to with even fewer connections, but it says nothing about me.

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(Tony Lawson) Friends of Israel — Enemies Inside the Gates
« Reply #243 on: November 25, 2010, 08:12:38 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UntixeRiEK8&feature=player_embedded

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It cannot be said, too often or too loudly: The interests of a Nation's own Citizens must come first. The 9/11 cover-up is falling apart at the seams, and politicians should be made accountable, either for their ignorance about issues that affect their nation, or because they have been protecting the official story, knowing that is is false.

Summary: Recently, political pressure has been brought to bear against a trades unionist for attempting to express his views about the events of 9/11, on Australia's publicly funded broadcaster, the ABC. This video redresses the balance, and makes it clear that Australia's prime minister is either ignorant, beyond belief, or she is putting the interests of nuclear, Apartheid Israel ahead of Australia's.

The unedited sound file of the Kevin Bracken Jon Faine conversation can be found on this Internet page:
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2...

My thanks to YouTube7hevo1d for the Dollar Drain animation — http://www.youtube.com/7hevo1d

My thanks to Debbie Menon, my trustworthy distributor; StevenM818 who gave me the heads up on the new NIST Freedom of Information revelations about the explosions. Sonja Karkar, Nick Irving and Debbie, again, for their always welcome advice, and to Nate Flach who always comes up with the goods when I need a video clip or some advice about them.

Clips from the following videos are included with the producers' kind permission:
WTC7 in Freefall: No Longer Controversial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL...
The maker of this video, David Chandler is a Physics Teacher and more information on his work can be found at
http://www.911speakout.org
David is also affiliated to: International Center for 9/11 Studies, Scientists for 9/11 Truth, and AE911Truth

9_11 Experiments_The Great Thermate Debate by Jonathan Cole, a professional engineer whose other work is also worth a look. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d5iIo...

UA175 - the last 12 seconds by achimspok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClDtwO...
I have been unable to get a reply from this excellent researcher, so if you see this: Thank you for explaining this so clearly, and I hope you don't mind me using the short excerpt.

The Murray Street Engine: Please refer to the following very well-researched article.
http://ckpi.typepad.com/christopher_k...

Google Street View: Those interested in checking out the location from which the "Twin Smokestacks" video was shot, should start off by typing in "Christopher Columbus Drive, Jersey City, NJ, United States" in Google Maps. Zoom in close keeping Interstate 78 in view, on the left (west), and find Brunswick Street. You'll see the smokestacks just to its right. Zoom in and move the view north and find 3rd Street and there is the roof where the cameraman stood; it is beside a vacant lot. 3rd Street passes under I78, and you can use the Street View function, from the elevated highway, to find the shots I've used in this video.

Please don't ask me how to use Street View, it takes me forever to remember, each time I return to it, but exposedeceivers has kindly supplied a link to the view featured in the video:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&s...

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Israel's role in 9/11 and/or MOSSAD Dr. Alan Sabrosky
« Reply #244 on: December 18, 2010, 09:22:16 AM »
worth a listen. if this is true about the WHO committed 9/11, it shows a clear path for an inside job, it actually makes sense. MOSSAD blames the Muslims

Look who benefited. This is a crime.

Larry Silverstein's billion dollar payout is not an aw shucks coincidence. BENEFIT.

Israel has two of it's enemies invaded and Iran sandwiched in the middle of a large US Presence. BENEFIT.

The Patriot Act designed and written well in advance of 9/11 is allowed to take away our constitutional rights by saying the word terrorist over and over again. BENEFIT.

This explains why Bush sat on his ass in the classroom. No need to get up, It's just Israel.

Look at the key players- ZELIKOW. WOLFOWITZ. SILVERSTEIN. CHERTOFF. KISSINGER. Hello.

It would be a whole lot easier for MOSSAD with Securacom clearances to pull this off than a bunch of Muslims trying to get inside the WTC buildings.

THIS COULD BE THE LOGICAL ANSWER TO WHO DID 9/11 and why Bush didn't wholeheartedly investigate it.

Do you see where this is going? Your thoughts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMBkdrc8OwU

SECOND SERIES:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLTeQQsd_Bo
AGAINST ALL ENEMIES. FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

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Dr. Alan Sabrosky 9/11 interview
« Reply #245 on: December 18, 2010, 01:01:07 PM »
AGAINST ALL ENEMIES. FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y

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This is an Orange, I love this film. Thanks for the reminder Aoss!

Best 2 minute truth video ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Martin Luther King, Jr.

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This article is a damning indictment and should be spread Far an Wide.
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Israel’s Hidden Faces : A Long Day’s Night for Us All

March 6, 2011 posted by Dr. Alan Sabrosky · 72 Comments

Why Do Most Americans Know Nothing About These Issues

— Dr Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a 1986 graduate of the US Army War College.

This is not intended for those who follow these issues, but as a primer  for a general public (especially Americans) who do not follow them, and in fact are not even aware that they are issues!  Hoping that others may also find useful material in it.

Far too often, issues involving Israel and its actions are addressed in a sophisticated and complex manner, often with little or no linkage among them. This is fine for professionals who are well versed in the subject matter, and can infer detail and linkages where none is explicitly given or made.

But it is NOT so for a general public, most of whom are not even aware that these issues exist, and have been exposed to a steady diet of pro-Israel propaganda throughout most if not all of their lives.

This can be used in many ways, but I would focus on state and local officials, newspapers and radio and TV stations, and veterans groups. The classic “grass roots” approach is the only way to circumvent the virtual lock the Zionists have at the national level in the political realm and the media. So let us begin.
Towards a Changing View

I began as a supporter of Israel. I knew nothing of ‘the Nakba’ (Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948) and wouldn’t have cared much if I had heard of it. In the years of death, ethnic cleansing and resettlement of peoples during and after WWII, it just didn’t matter. And with the USSR supporting most of the Arab countries, US support of Israel (like Iran under the Shah) made sense. It was only in the aftermath of the Six Days War (1967) that things changed.
Israeli Attack on the USS Liberty     ........ more.....

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/03/06/israels-hidden-faces-a-long-days-night-for-us-all/
The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

Common sense is not so common.

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9/11 Missing Links
« Reply #248 on: June 16, 2011, 04:54:41 PM »
The video is called 9/11 Missing Links.  Its on Youtube at the moment, but I doubt it will be there for very long.
 
Have only just come across this one.  Be prepared for some shocks, but continue to watch to the end and then make a judgement.  Don't forget, it took most of us 5 years to get over the shock and slowly come to accept that 9/11 was possibly orchestrated by governmental consent.  This, despite deeply held, innate beliefs that NO government would want to inflict this kind of atrocity on its own people.  Until Alex covers this particular stance, it will remain a festering sore and the lifeblood of our young men will continue to be spent for reasons totally incomprehensible to the majority of humanity. 

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The Gerald Shea Memo: the smoking gun proving Israeli involvement in 9/11?
« Reply #249 on: November 25, 2011, 12:05:50 AM »
On the day of 9/11, a carefully scripted false narrative was developed and put forth by the criminal, Jewish-owned mainstream media (including all major Western media outlets), in conjunction with American government and military officials, and even Israeli officials. A perfect example of this was former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's testimony to the BBC, aired on 9/11 shortly after the attacks.

http://youtu.be/GAueLjdKh1s

Due to this false narrative, and the psychological impact of the (false) images presented on television and in the media that day, many Americans and others around the world fail to understand that the only people actually arrested on 9/11 connected to the attacks were Israelis, all of whom had connections to Israeli military and intelligence agencies.  In fact, the East Rutherford Police Department arrested 5 Israelis on 9/11, who are often referred to as the "dancing Israelis" due to the fact they were originally identified by witnesses who saw them dancing and celebrating the attacks on the World Trade Center Towers.  There is literally no solid evidence that any Muslims were involved in the attacks of 9/11. 

Here is the police report from the East Rutherford Police Department documenting the fact that 5 Israelis were arrested on 9/11, who were suspected of being involved or having foreknowledge of the attacks. 

Police Report

Even less well-known is the fact that the DEA and other federal agencies were investigating a sophisticated, state-sponsored Israeli spy ring operating all across the United States in the months leading up to 9/11.  Mainstream media outlets reported on this spy ring, including Carl Cameron of Fox News, who quoted an anonymous U.S. government official as saying that, "Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified.  I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered.  It is classified information." 

http://youtu.be/rEOecRtBU7U

Shortly after this report and others were released by Carl Cameron, Fox News came under intense pressure to downplay and even censor these reports by Cameron and others detailing this Israeli "art student" spy ring, and it's connection to 9/11.  Christopher Ketcham later wrote a lengthy report for Salon.com in May of 2002 providing more insight and detail into this spy scandal:

    In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials.

    As a pattern slowly emerged, the DEA appeared to have been targeted in what it called an "organized intelligence gathering activity." [...]

    Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups."

    In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. One Israeli was discovered holding banking receipts for substantial sums of money, close to $180,000 in withdrawals and deposits over a two-month period. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. -- the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11.

    Officials began dealing more aggressively with the "art students." According to one account, some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. Many of them were deported. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis -- 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports -- were detained and deported. [...]

All of the DEA reports detailing the Israeli "art student" spy ring can be found here.

A major development in this case unfolded in September of 2004, when Gerald Shea, an international corporate lawyer, submitted a detailed memorandum to the 9/11 Commission Report titled, "Israeli Surveillance of the Future Hijackers and the FBI Suspects in the September 11 Attacks and Their Failure to Give Us Adequate Warning: The Need for a Public Inquiry," thoroughly detailing the activities of the Israeli spy rings operating in the United States prior to and on 9/11, including the fact that these spy rings were surveilling the alleged "Muslim hijackers" on 9/11.

Mr. Shea begins the memorandum:

    I am an international corporate lawyer, writing to you today about a matter of public policy that is relevant to the circumstances surrounding, and our preparedness for, the catastrophic attacks on September 11, 2001. I do not know whether the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks (the “Commission”) or the Senate and House Committees on Intelligence (the “Committees”) have had the opportunity to consider these issues carefully. If
    so, I hope this memorandum will be helpful. If not, I respectfully urge them, in accordance with the mandate of the Commission’s charter and in the exercise of the Committees’ responsibilities, to investigate the facts and resolve the questions presented.

    I regret that this memorandum comes to the Commission after the publication of its Final Report this past July (the “Commission’s Final Report”). As will become evident, however, it has taken some time to assemble the facts from the raw data and other information set forth in available governmental and other reports and relevant documents in the public record. Moreover, and in any event, the need to examine and resolve the compelling issues presented here outweighs the mere appearance of completeness by putting a permanent end to the Commission’s work.

    It is far more important, to all of us, that the Commission’s work be accurate and complete or, at the very least, that the Commission urge that these questions be explored and resolved by another panel as independent, distinguished and objective as itself. Both the Senate and
    House Committees should endeavor to explore and resolve these issues as well.

Below is the Detailed Summary of Mr. Shea's memorandum, which he submitted to the 9/11 Commission shortly after they released their final report.  The Detailed Summary begins on page 49 of the memorandum.

    Set forth below is a detailed summary of the tentative conclusions reached in this memorandum, which amply illustrate the urgent need for a public inquiry into the activities of the Israeli DEA Groups and the Israeli New Jersey Group. The inquiry must include, without limitation, the examination of members of the Israel Groups and related persons; officials of the Israeli government and certain of its agencies, including Mossad; FBI suspects, agents of the DEA, the INS and the FBI; certain local law enforcement officials; agents of the CIA (in camera to the extent required); other intelligence sources cited by the public press to the extent possible; the boxes of documents and computer hard drives (referred on page 29) seized by the FBI from the Israeli New Jersey Group; and of all other relevant documents, reports, communiqués and information.--


    1. The Israeli DEA Groups were spying on the Drug Enforcement Agency and thus upon the United States. The DEA itself has concluded that they were probably engaged in organized intelligence gathering on our soil.


    2. A highly regarded American journal knowledgeable about Israeli affairs, has concluded (a) based on its own sources, that the Israeli DEA Groups were spying on radical Islamic networks suspected of links to Middle East terrorism, and (b) based on the representations of a former American intelligence official regularly briefed on these matters by law enforcement officials, that (i) at least two members of the Israeli New Jersey Group were Mossad operatives, (ii) Urban Moving, the company used by the Israeli New Jersey Group, was a front for Mossad and its operatives, and (iii) the Israeli New Jersey Group was spying on local Arabs.


    3. The intelligence sources of a substantial American television network report that the Israeli DEA Groups may have gathered information about the September 11 attacks in advance, and not shared it with the United States. One investigator said that evidence linking the Israeli DEA Groups to such intelligence gathering was classified and could not be disclosed.


    4. The Israeli DEA Groups were comprised of 125 or more Israelis operating on our soil. Their leaders and apparent associates included military commanders and experts with military backgrounds in intelligence, electronic intercepts and telecommunications.


    5. The wiretapping and intelligence expertise of members of both Israeli Groups, and the use of vans in local neighborhoods where the future hijackers were planning the attacks, and the extensive use by the hijackers of cell phones and land lines, made the Israeli Groups ideally suited to gather information regarding the hijackers’ plans.


    6. The principal operation of the Israeli DEA Groups was located in and around Hollywood, Florida, the central training and staging ground for the hijacking of North and South Tower Planes and the Pennsylvania Plane. The addresses and places of residence of the members of the Israeli DEA Groups in Hollywood itself were within hundreds of yards those of the future hijackers.


    7. The operations of both the Israeli New Jersey Group and the hijackers of the Pentagon Plane were centered in Hudson and Bergen Counties in New Jersey, within a common radius of about six miles.


    8. All five celebrating members of the Israeli New Jersey Group arrested on September 11 were aware, when the North Tower Plane struck the World Trade Center, based on their immediate reaction to the attack and the information said to be contained in their van, that the attack had been planned and carried out by Arab terrorists.


    9. After being questioned by the FBI on September 11, the leader of the Israeli New Jersey Group immediately fled the United States to Israel. His name and aliases appear, along with those of the hijackers and other FBI suspects, on the May 2002 FBI Suspect list.


    10. Israeli intelligence officials have reported that two senior officials of Mossad warned the United States in August 2001 that as many as 200 terrorists on American soil were planning an imminent large-scale attack on high visibility targets on the American mainland. One press report states that in August Mossad provided the CIA with the names of future hijackers Khaled al Mihdhar and Nawaf al Hazmi.


    11. The CIA’s explanation of how Mihdhar’s and Hazmi’s names were placed on the Watchlist through the spontaneous efforts of CIA and FBI agents is not only difficult to follow but, as the sole reason for the Watchlisting, hardly credible.


    12. Mossad’s own information appears to have come from its sources inside the United States. All of the facts and circumstances set forth in this memorandum appear to show that Mossad’s two likely sources of information were: (a) the Israeli DEA Groups, comparable in number to that of the Arab suspects and who appear to have tracked the future hijackers in their central places of operation and in other states, and (b) the Israeli New Jersey Group, operating through their Mossad front in another principal locus of operations of the future hijackers, two of whom were Mossad agents, and five of whom appeared immediately aware of the origin of the attacks on September 11.


    13. While little direct evidence supports the contention that the CIA was aware of or condoned the Israeli Groups’ tracking of Arab terrorist groups in the United States prior to September 11, the CIA’s pressing for the expulsion of members of the Israeli DEA Groups when they were detained before September 11, their failure to cooperate with the FBI, their circuitous explanation of how the above two hijackers were placed on the Watchlist, and other relevant considerations require that the issue be taken up as a part of the public inquiry into these painful events.

Is there anyone anywhere on this planet that would doubt the veracity and authenticity of this memorandum submitted by Mr. Gerald Shea?  Is there any doubt that Israel was clearly involved in carrying out the FALSE FLAG/INSIDE JOB on 9/11?  Credible sources have even alleged that the Mossad spy ring actually ran the "Arab terrorists" later blamed for the 9/11 attacks.  Based upon the information put forth by Mr. Gerald Shea, in addition to the long history of Israeli infiltration and handling of "Arab terrorist" groups, is there any doubt about the legitimacy of these claims, namely that 9/11 was a false flag operation carried out largely by Israeli intelligence, which was facilitated and covered up by criminal Zionist elements in the U.S. government, media, and private sector? 

I will be on Charles Giuliani's Truth Hertz radio program tomorrow morning for the full 2 hours to discuss this information and other related matters.  The 2 hour show begins at 5am Pacific Standard Time (will someone please call and make sure I'm up!), and should be quite interesting.  Feel free to call in at 866-841-1065 if you have any questions, comments, or constructive criticisms. 

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/11/gerald-shea-memo-smoking-gun-proving.html

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Re: The Gerald Shea Memo: the smoking gun proving Israeli involvement in 9/11?
« Reply #250 on: January 13, 2012, 02:17:32 PM »
 any involvement with Irael can be summed up by watching a oathkeeping type person produced vid called Missing Links, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7877765982288566190
and a yutub link-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv1kzLXyZ4k
this involvement the thread speaks of is no secret and if it is still, let it not be any longer viral it out
mutlipart version -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YResfXTXd1c
a company called bechtel is not spoke of enough, without insinuating anything i will say they are capeable beyond normal understanding of controlling things remotely  with their worldwide array of com beakins , in satellites, and active auroral means using energized atmospher to achieve unimaginable things in areas with communications if not any other ,lol
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