WHY DO I HAVE TO ANSWER THIS DAM CENSUS!?

[oyashango]

I just got in the mail today the U.S. Census papers. Although on the outside of the return envelope it says
"YOUR RESPONSE IS REQUIRED BY LAW" when I looked through all of the invasive forms, I did not see anything pertaining to WHAT law says that I MUST do this. In fact there is no explanation of any law whatsoever!

I am pissed about this knowing what I know. I remember there being a thread on this forum about this.
I do not want to respond.  What are my rights in this matter?

[PainInDaBrain]

Same, and my teacher at school said to us the benefits of signing it, i didn't believe any of his bullshit, i tryed explaining the harrassment that census workers give other people if you don't sign it, and other things but he ignored me and kept preaching bullshit to our class, and they ate it up! wooooo, census going into the fireplace

He said: it helps the federal government give money to the people in a certain area
He said: more representatives for the state and to get the state more independence

yea right =/

[America2]

Do we REALLY have to answer the questions and turn it in?

I hate doing this thing, BUT do we REALLY have to turn it in??

[phosphene]

you ALWAYS have a choice. lol. do you REALLY need to ask?

[maim]

Do we REALLY have to answer the questions and turn it in?

I hate doing this thing, BUT do we REALLY have to turn it in??

as an employee of the corporation of the united states, u obligated to adhere to company policy

[larsonstdoc]

  I got one today.  It was a non-invasive one.  How many live there and what is you race?  I was hoping for one of those 150 question ones so I could just answer one question and send it back (how many people live there?).

[Monkeypox]

Same, and my teacher at school said to us the benefits of signing it, i didn't believe any of his bullshit, i tryed explaining the harrassment that census workers give other people if you don't sign it, and other things but he ignored me and kept preaching bullshit to our class, and they ate it up! wooooo, census going into the fireplace

He said: it helps the federal government give money to the people in a certain area
He said: more representatives for the state and to get the state more independence

yea right =/

FYI, the Census form doesn't have to be signed.

I filled it out today.  I figured I'm not giving the Government any information about me that they don't already have.

One thing I found amusing, they ask you to complete the form immediately, but the questions are about people living in your home on April 1, 2010.  If you fill it out immediately, it's not April 1, 2010 yet, is it?  

Honestly, the only questions I really find objectionable are the ones regarding race - questions 8 and 9.  Particularly question 8, which asks if you're of "Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." You either answer no, or answer yes and specify your Hispanic sub-type. Why are Hispanics being singled out with such specificity?  

The obsession with race seems like something the Nazis would have done on a Census.

[donnay]

Basically the only question that is required by law is number 1.  The only question highlighted in a blue box.

You could print this letter and mail it back with your census:  http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=163444.0;topicseen

To Whom it May Concern,

Pursuant to Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution, the only information you are empowered to request is the total

number of occupants at this address. My “name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, telephone number, relationship and

housing tenure” have absolutely nothing to do with apportioning direct taxes or determining the number of representatives in the House of Representatives. Therefore, neither Congress nor the Census Bureau have the constitutional authority to make that information request a component of the enumeration outlined in Article I, Section 2, Clause 3. In addition, I cannot be subject to a fine for basing my conduct on the Constitution because that document trumps laws passed by Congress.

Interstate Commerce Commission v. Brimson, 154 U.S. 447, 479 (May 26, 1894)

“Neither branch of the legislative department [House of Representatives or Senate], still less any merely administrative body [such as the Census Bureau], established by congress, possesses, or can be invested with, a general power of making inquiry into the private affairs of the citizen. Kilbourn v. Thompson, 103 U.S. 168, 190. We said in Boyd v. U.S., 116 U. S. 616, 630, 6 Sup. Ct. 524,―and it cannot be too often repeated,―that the principles that embody the essence of constitutional liberty and security forbid all invasions on the part of government and it’s employees of the sanctity of a man’s home and the privacies of his life.

As said by Mr. Justice Field in Re Pacific Ry. Commission, 32 Fed. 241, 250, ‘of all the rights of the citizen, few are of greater importance or more essential to his peace and happiness than the right of personal security, and that involves, not merely protection of his person from assault, but exemption of his private affairs, books, and papers from inspection and scrutiny of others. Without the enjoyment of this right, all others would lose half their value.’”

Note: This United States Supreme Court case has never been overturned.

Respectfully,

A Citizen of the United States of America

[Kilika]

Unless the government goes officially on record to say why the first question is in a blue-shaded box, I'll answer only #1. I'm a citizen, so they have me on record already, whether I like it or not. Ultimately, it doesn't matter on "congressional districting" for voting purposes, because a person that votes is already in their system as well. They use it for dishing out the "congressional cash".

"One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Romans 14:5 (KJV)

[independentWV]

I answered question one and mailed it back.

[Monkeypox]

I answered question one and mailed it back.

Enjoy your visits from the Acorn goons.

 

[jofortruth]

Did you see where they spent $2.5 million for a 30 sec ad during the Super Bowl for the Census?  It's no wonder we're in debt. These foolish people have no sense of priority when it comes to spending our taxpayer monies, whatsoever!  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xht2nMc0h4A

[thnkfstpal]

The Constitution say's you have to answer only one question "How many people live here?" and that's it.

[ImJustAPatsy]

I had the same thought, Monkeypox, about the census form. Those were my objections as well. It seemed a little purposefully redundant.

[New Whirled Order]

FYI, the Census form doesn't have to be signed.

I filled it out today.  I figured I'm not giving the Government any information about me that they don't already have.

One thing I found amusing, they ask you to complete the form immediately, but the questions are about people living in your home on April 1, 2010.  If you fill it out immediately, it's not April 1, 2010 yet, is it?  

Honestly, the only questions I really find objectionable are the ones regarding race - questions 8 and 9.  Particularly question 8, which asks if you're of "Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." You either answer no, or answer yes and specify your Hispanic sub-type. Why are Hispanics being singled out with such specificity?  

The obsession with race seems like something the Nazis would have done on a Census.

I'm seriously considering checking "OTHER" instead of white or caucasian and writing in "CRACKER" or "HONKEY".

Seriously though...  I didn't find it to be all that invasive.  If this is as bad as it gets, I don't have a real big problem with it.  

[jofortruth]

Copies of the 2000 Census (Short and Long):
http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf
http://nces.ed.gov/surveys/sdds/pdf/d61b.pdf

Look at the Bottom of the 1st Page, it says:

Respondents are not required to respond to any information collection unless it displays a valid approval number from the Office of Management and Budget.

OMB No. 0607-0856: Approval Expires 12/31/2000

So then, shouldn't this be on all of the pages of the questionnaire? Why is this verbage on the form at all? Does this mean you only really have to answer the first page in the Long Form and the first section in the Short Form? Isn't that really all the Constitution requires!  


I've heard Alex say something like this before. What do you think?

[ImJustAPatsy]

Did you lick the envelope? I didn't lick the envelope.

Also, I didn't think it was envasive, I just thought it was a stupid waste of time and money. They spent money sending out a letter a few weeks before to EVERYONE IN AMERICA saying they'll get their census and they have to fill it out or they get fined. THEN you get the census form, which isn't that envasive, and it says the SAME THING. Not only was there the census form, but there was the envelopes ALL of this crap gets sent in, the CRAP inside, the ink printed on all the CRAP, multipled by EVERYONE IN AMERICA. They've spent money on TV ads, jobs, websites, etc., etc. Tell me someone isn't skimming the cream off the top.

Then they ask you TWICE for your heritage. ONCE if you're hispanic, then again for everyone else. WTF? Why not just ask RACE? Why ask twice? It's because it says SPANISH ORIGIN. They're trying to round up the illegals. I'm all for soverignty, protecting our borders, but not if it means rounding people up and throwing them into DHS Blacksites. These things always begin with xenophobia, then they target sympathizers, then intellectuals, and then anyone else that disagrees with the powers that be.

[changedname]

FYI, the Census form doesn't have to be signed.

I filled it out today.  I figured I'm not giving the Government any information about me that they don't already have.

One thing I found amusing, they ask you to complete the form immediately, but the questions are about people living in your home on April 1, 2010.  If you fill it out immediately, it's not April 1, 2010 yet, is it?  

Honestly, the only questions I really find objectionable are the ones regarding race - questions 8 and 9.  Particularly question 8, which asks if you're of "Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish origin." You either answer no, or answer yes and specify your Hispanic sub-type. Why are Hispanics being singled out with such specificity?  


The obsession with race seems like something the Nazis would have done on a Census.

"it's not April 1, 2010 yet, is it?   "

Nope not april 1st yet so I guess that means if u send it back with stating that none live there no ages no race etc it would be correct as long as it is sent before april 1st since as of now there is not april 1st 2010..lol

[jofortruth]

Don't answer Census, don't face going to jail (Government demands answers, but official confirms penalties not applied):
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=58679

But, in fact, U.S. Census Bureau officials say they've never had anyone prosecuted for refusing to provide those intimate details to the government.

More info on Census:
http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=6184&st=0


I would like to see a copy of the 1st census, and how they have evolved over the years!

[MonkeyPuppet]

The only question you are required to answer is #1.  This is the only one required by law and the only one with any penalty for not answering ($100).  Falsifying the first question can result in a fine of $500.

First off, read the law... Title 13 of the United States Code.  Second, note that the first question is clearly separate from the rest by way of a box.  Also note that your name is not on the addressee... this makes it blind and with good reason since it is ONLY for establishing apportionment requirements.

[Tokiem]

Question #5; "What is Person 1's name?  Print name below."

RESIDENT  

[SpeakUpFightBack]

Do we REALLY have to answer the questions and turn it in?

I hate doing this thing, BUT do we REALLY have to turn it in??

What Would Jefferson Do?

[John_Back_From_The_Club_O]

I got the 'prequel' to the census.  The (UN)'American Survey'

After several 'civil' talks with the census lady.  She said... "just fill out what you feel comfortable with and leave the rest blank."   I often wondered if she simply filled out the rest 'in my behalf' to meet her quota?

I just got the census today.  I haven't opened it up but it looks very thin in the envelope.

TO ANSWER THE AUTHORS QUESTION...
Tho ONLY information you are 'CONSTITUTIONALLY' required BY LAW to fill out are the number of occupants who 'reside' in your dwelling for congressional representational purposes.

THE CENSUS WAS NOT INTENDED TO GET ANY OTHER INFORMATION FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSES.  TO DO SO, VIOLATES YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Mainly the fourth and most importantly, the fifth amendments. 

[Damascus]

Got mine. So in box one if you answered yes, then go to box 5, then return to box 2. WTF this thing is a mess. Why dose it now look like a tax form? Blue boxes, I got tons of them! I guess in my defence at trial I can say I just got confused.   just kidding.

[phasma]

You guys have itnot so bad if you can get away with only one question !
The new UK census is currently being compiled . . . and it looks to be a doozy! It says (in typical babblespeak)

"New questions have been developed for topics where there is a new demand for information, and existing questions have been redeveloped to account for increasing or changing user requirements"
http://www.ons.gov.uk/census/2011-census/2011-census-questionnaire-content/index.html

Moreover, the Census is a compulsory exercise carried out on a self-enumeration
basis and each householder is therefore required to complete all relevant questions
on the questionnaire (with the exception of any question relating to religion –
40 Census 2011 – Helping to shape tomorrow
see paragraph 3.60). This imposes constraints on the types of data that can be
collected if high quality and accurate outputs are to be produced. Therefore the
Census should not, in general:
 ask sensitive or potentially intrusive questions that would result in an
unacceptable level of non-response
 ask questions that require a lengthy explanation or instruction to ensure an
accurate answer (since research has shown that people often do not read such
instructions) or
 seek information not readily known or that people are unlikely to remember
accurately and which, as a consequence, is likely to be unreliable

In summary, the UK Statistics Authority proposes that information on the following
topics should be collected in the 2011 Census:
At all properties occupied by households and for all unoccupied household
accommodation:
 Address, including the postcode.
For households:
 Number and names of all residents whether present or temporarily absent on
Census night
 Name, usual address, sex and age of any visitor present on Census night
 Tenure of accommodation
 Type of accommodation and whether or not it is self-contained
 Type of landlord (for households in rented accommodation)
 Number of rooms (and bedrooms*)
 Type of central heating*
 Number of cars and vans owned or available
For residents in households
 Name, sex, and date of birth
 Marital status (including civil partnership status*)
 Relationship to others within the household
 Student status
 Whether or not students live at enumerated address during term time
 Usual address one year ago
 Country of birth
 Citizenship (passports held)*
 Month and year of entry into the UK* and intended length of stay* (for non-
UK born)
 National identity* and ethnic group
Religion
 Language*
 Welsh language proficiency ( in Wales only)
 General health
 Long-standing illness or disability
 Provision of unpaid personal care
 Educational and vocational qualifications
 Second residence*
 Economic activity in the week before the Census
 Time since last employment
 Employment status
 Supervisor status
 Hours worked
 Job title and description of occupation
 Name of employer and nature of employer’s business at place of work
(industry)
 Workplace address
 Means of travel to work

Now is it just me - or is this way too much info for them to have?
And what happens if you answer it wrongly - or misleadingly?

[Optimus]

  I got one today.  It was a non-invasive one.  How many live there and what is you race?  I was hoping for one of those 150 question ones so I could just answer one question and send it back (how many people live there?).

Any census form that has more than the one question supported by the Constitution IS INVASIVE.

[Damascus]

It is still a little better, in my opinion, to live in a republic rather than a monarchy, even with us turning into a tyranny at a faster pace these days.

[ImJustAPatsy]

It is still a little better, in my opinion, to live in a republic rather than a monarchy, even with us turning into a tyranny at a faster pace these days.

According to the ruling by a bunch of stupid hilljack eating [expletive deleted] redneck [expletive deleted] heads on the Texas Schoolboard, we're no longer a Democratic Republic, but a Constitutional Republic. Which, by the way, Thomas Jefferson had nothing to do with help found.

I'd like to buy an island somewhere, put a nice home on it, stock it, start a self-sustaining farm, and disappear.

[scoffer]

Just an FYI long forms have been eliminated from the 2010 decennial census.

[Optimus]

According to the ruling by a bunch of stupid hilljack eating [expletive deleted] redneck [expletive deleted] heads on the Texas Schoolboard, we're no longer a Democratic Republic, but a Constitutional Republic. Which, by the way, Thomas Jefferson had nothing to do with help found.

I'd like to buy an island somewhere, put a nice home on it, stock it, start a self-sustaining farm, and disappear.

The author of The Declaration of Independence not a Founding Father? You need to put down those revised history books you've been reading kid.

[ImJustAPatsy]

The author of The Declaration of Independence not a Founding Father? You need to put down those revised history books you've been reading kid.

Reading comprehension skills are low amongst some of the people on these boards, I've noticed. Either that, or sarcasm doesn't translate well over the internet. Not sure which.

[Devotional Soul]

Here's their excuse for saying 'For this census, Hispanic is not considered a race':

Is Person 1 of Hispanic, Latino or Spanish origin?
Asked since 1970. The data collected in this question are needed by federal agencies to monitor compliance with anti-discrimination provisions, such as under the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act. State and local governments may use the data to help plan and administer bilingual programs for people of Hispanic origin.

Then, Yahoo News put out an article about how Hispanic and African Americans were the most to not fill out the census, and that most 'white' people felt obligated.

Think about the swine flu, made in a lab and was dropped in Mexico.  Hispanic, Native American, and African people were 4 times more likely to die from swine flu than other races.

Think about the Denver Airport murals, with African and Native American women in caskets.

Think about the racism against Mexicans in America, resentment for taking jobs.  This was happening with Japanese Americans in the 40's.  There was a census in 1940, the info was given to the fbi to categorize Japanese Americans into groups based on how dangerous they seemed.  When Pearl Harbor happened, they were taken away to barbed wire camps the next day.  The racist Americans who were mad about them stealing all the work supported their encampment!





I strongly feel it is important to not fill out the questions about race.  Why don't they breakdown the different European 'white' races? I can't wait until we're all such mutts that we're all just considered human. 

I've turned my census in with only question #1 answered, which covered all they need to know.  I'll let you know what they do next, since I received mine a week earlier than most people.  I've got my highlighted Constitution handy!

[Southern Patriot]

I got mine and already sent it back with the number of residents, ages (without birthdays), and gender. There is nothing else they need. I also wrote on it that the only questions they have the authority to ask are the only ones I answered.

[ImJustAPatsy]

I filled mine out entirely... In retrospect, I wish I had been clever and written N'avi as my race.