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Sunday, January 31, 2010 By MIKE PRIDE

EDITOR’S NOTE: This is part one of a two-day series about John G. Winant, who served three terms as governor of New Hampshire and was with Winston Churchill when he learned that Pearl Harbor was attacked.

From the day John G. Winant, of Concord, arrived in London as U.S. ambassador in early 1941, the White House resisted his pleas for stronger U.S. action against Germany’s war machine.

When the sneak attack on Pearl Harbor finally forced his country’s hand [when they heard about the attack], Winant was so excited that he and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill danced around the room together.

Winant’s three terms as governor of New Hampshire made him a revered figure in the state’s lore. He has been less celebrated for his service as ambassador.

That should change this week with the release of “Citizens of London,” Lynne Olson’s new book about the Americans who played critical roles in the wartime relationship between Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt. Olson is a former journalist with two other World War II histories to her credit.

In “Citizens of London,” she portrays Winant as an extraordinary man whose principles, compassion and hard work helped win the war. In her view, he lived close to power without having power himself, using the ambassadorship to strengthen the bonds between Churchill in London and Roosevelt in Washington, D.C.

For Olson, the discovery of Gil Winant, as he was known, was a pleasant but unsettling surprise.

“I had never heard of him before my research, and that is a crying shame,” she said during a recent telephone interview. “When you consider how important that alliance was, it seems incredible that one of the architects who made it happen is unknown to the American people.”

The story of Winant in London has remained incomplete for decades. When he committed suicide at his Concord home in 1947, he had signed a contract to write his wartime memoirs in three volumes, but finished only one. “He Walked Alone,” a 1968 political biography, covered the war years, but didn’t gain wide general readership.

Even when Winant is remembered in his home state, as he was when Winant Park opened in Concord last year, his years as ambassador are usually reduced to a few lines.

Olson’s Winant is an idealist and a workaholic, a man who stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the British people as the Luftwaffe’s bombs and rockets fell on London and other cities. The British adored him for it, especially in contrast to his predecessor, Joseph P. Kennedy – who, upon arriving back home in the States in 1940, declared: “England is gone. … I’m for appeasement 1,000 percent.”

Olson’s book examines Winant’s love affair with Sarah Churchill, a daughter of the prime minister. It recounts his devotion to Roosevelt, his effort to build the alliance and his campaign to improve understanding between the two peoples. It ends with a thorough account of Winant’s suicide.

In the book, Winant shares the limelight with Averell Harriman, Edward R. Murrow and others, but Olson returns to his story again and again.

“It is astonishing to me that virtually the entire British public knew Winant and could identify him on the street if they saw him,” Olson said. “He became a symbol to most British people of our country standing with them – even before we were really standing with them.”

Before the war

Roosevelt and Winant had a history before Winant’s appointment as ambassador. Winant was a Republican, Roosevelt a Democrat, but after Winant embraced the New Deal during the 1930s, Roosevelt made him the first chairman of the board that oversaw Social Security.

Winant traveled the country promoting the new program. During the 1936 presidential campaign, when Republicans tried to derail Social Security, Winant quit the program’s board to campaign against Alf Landon, the Republican nominee.

Roosevelt then sent Winant to Geneva, where he headed the International Labor Organization, an agency founded after World War I under the auspices of the League of Nations. Its chief function was to promote fair conditions for workers.

In Europe, Winant witnessed Hitler’s aggression firsthand. He went to Prague to commiserate with the Czechoslovaks after Germany took over the country. He was in Paris the day before Hitler’s forces captured it. He traveled to England at Roosevelt’s request to report on British resolve under attack.

In Olson’s view, Roosevelt had wanted to replace the defeatist Kennedy as ambassador to Great Britain for some time. Although Roosevelt’s goal was a stronger alliance, he probably gave Winant no specific instructions. Roosevelt seemed “intentionally vague” during their Oval Office meeting, Olson said – so much so that Winant learned of his appointment only when the press told him about it afterward.

In Winant, Roosevelt knew he had found a man who could connect with the British and let them know they weren’t alone. He also understood the character of Winant, who he called “Utopian John.”

A royal welcome

Winant’s welcome in England underscored how desperate the British were for American help. In a departure from protocol for receiving new ambassadors, King George VI met him at the railroad station in Windsor and spoke with him at length.

From the day Winant arrived, Churchill took him into his confidence. He did the same with Murrow, Harriman and others, Olson said.

“Churchill was so desperate to get the United States into the war that he tried to woo these guys just like he did FDR later on,” she said.

Winant didn’t need convincing. He counseled Churchill on how best to deal with Roosevelt. Determined to bring America into the war, he threw himself at his task.

“There’s no place I’d rather be than in England,” he said, and he meant it.

Winant lived modestly in London despite his station and traveled widely despite the Blitz. He became a familiar figure at bombed buildings, helping where he could. He preferred conversing with janitors and waiters to rubbing elbows with the high-born.

Though a lackluster orator, he expressed clear principles with a human touch. His message was simple: We’re with you. After one speech prevented a coal miners’ strike, a leading British newspaper compared it to Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.

In May 1941, two months after he came to London, Winant made it clear to the British public where he stood and where he wished his country to stand.

“We have all slept while the wicked, evil men plotted destruction,” he said. “We have all tried to make ourselves believe we are not our brother’s keeper. But we are now beginning to realize we need our brothers as much as our brothers need us.”

In 1940 and ’41, however, the government Winant represented failed to deliver on Roosevelt’s glib promises of aid to Great Britain. For the ships and other materiel and supplies it did send, the United States charged a high price.

Winant soon became a regular visitor at Chequers, the prime minister’s country mansion, where he was treated almost as family. Until the United States entered the war, this hospitality had a serious downside. Churchill harangued Winant mercilessly about U.S. intervention.

It wasn’t Winant who needed convincing, and Churchill came to see this. Roosevelt had promised during the 1940 election not to go to war, but Winant knew a U.S.-British military alliance was essential to stop Hitler.

Churchill told his cabinet Winant was “apparently longing for Germany to commit some overt act that would relieve the president of his … declaration regarding keeping out of war.”

As documented in “Citizens of London,” Winant was in the unusual position of representing his country while also making Churchill’s arguments to the Roosevelt administration. His allegiance to Britain’s cause raises the question of whether he ever put his own country second. Although Olson sees Winant’s relationship with Churchill as unprecedented, her answer is a resounding no.

“The interests of the United States were paramount with Winant,” she said. “There was no sign of his stepping over the line. He always had it in mind that he was representing the president.”

War

In response to the attack on Pearl Harbor, Congress declared war on both Japan and Germany, its main ally. Winant was with Churchill and others at Chequers when the radio brought news of the attack. All were jubilant. One of Churchill’s private secretaries wrote in his diary that the two men “sort of danced around the room together.”

Olson stressed during the interview that Churchill and Winant weren’t reacting to the horrific details of the Pearl Harbor attack.

“They didn’t know those,” she said. “All they knew was that the United States was in the war.”

This fact made Winant’s job even more challenging. He was now a catalyst in the often caustic compound of two giant egos joined as wartime leaders. He had to prepare England for the arrival of a U.S. military force that, by late 1943, grew to more than 1.6 million men.

In a city filled with exiled leaders from countries overrun by Hitler’s armies and fearful of Josef Stalin’s, he felt compelled to ponder how the world might look after the war.

As he assumed these responsibilities, Winant also faced two personal issues. One was a perennial problem: his loneliness. The other was news that, like Winant during World War I, his son, John Jr., had decided to join the U.S. Army Air Forces.

Winant was prone to depression and beset by debt. He and his wife, who occasionally visited him in London, had long been emotionally distant.

Olson quotes a woman who knew them both as saying: “He would sit up all night brooding over how to make things better. She loved to throw parties.”

In Sarah Churchill, Winston’s favorite daughter, Winant sought solace. Twenty-five years younger than Winant, who was in his early 50s, she was rebounding from a broken marriage. He fell in love with her.

“I think both were looking for someone to talk to,” Olson said. “She was vibrant, warm, outgoing, caring, interested in others. He took comfort in just being with her.”

Especially by London standards during the war, their affair was discreet. Having forgone the ambassador’s residence, Winant lived near the embassy in a modest three-bedroom flat in Grosvenor Square. Sarah Churchill’s smaller flat was a short walk from the embassy.

They spent as much time together as possible, but few people knew of the liaison. Sarah Churchill suspected the prime minister might be one of them, later referring to it as a “love affair which my father suspected but about which we did not speak.”


When the U.S. buildup in England began in earnest, John Winant Jr.’s decision to become a bomber pilot added to the pressure on his father. At the height of World War I, Gil Winant had left his teaching job at St. Paul’s School to fly in France, an experience he was lucky to survive. Now, John Jr. began training to fly a B-17 during a period when German fighter planes and antiaircraft guns were shooting down Flying Fortresses with alarming ease.

The Air Force had no long-range fighter planes to protect the bombers from German Messerschmitts. Ignoring evidence to the contrary, the brass clung to the idea that B-17s and B-24s were so powerful and plentiful that they would prevail without fighter escorts.

From London, Winant joined the campaign to overcome this hubris, but by the time he and others finally won the argument, it was too late to help his son.
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Citizens of London
The Americans Who Stood with Britain in Its Darkest, Finest Hour
http://www.lynneolson.com/citizens_of_london_excerpt.htm
by Lynne Olson

EXCERPT

On a chilly night in early 1947, a tall, lanky American with tousled dark hair emerged from a theater in London’s West End. Other playgoers, pouring into the street from nearby theaters, stopped and stared. They had seen the man’s angular face and slightly stooped frame in wartime newsreels and newspaper photographs, and most knew immediately who he was.  As he and two companions headed down Shaftesbury Avenue, they were  surrounded by a throng of people. “Good evening, Mr. Winant,” several in the crowd said. A couple of men doffed their hats. One woman reached out and shyly touched his coat.

For those gathered around him, the sight of John Gilbert Winant conjured up memories of smoke-filled nights in early 1941 when Winant, the American ambassador to Britain, walked the streets of London during the heaviest raids of the Blitz, Germany’s nine-month terror bombing of British cities. He asked everyone he met – firemen, dazed victims, air wardens pulling bodies out of the rubble – what he could do to help. In those perilous times, one Londoner remembered, Winant “convinced us that he was a link between ourselves and millions of his countrymen, who, by reason of his inspiration, spoke to our very hearts.”

Yet, while he was instantly recognizable in Britain, few Americans had ever heard of Winant. Even fewer were aware of the key role he had played in shaping and maintaining the alliance between the United States and Britain in World War II. In future decades, that extraordinary partnership – the closest and most successful wartime alliance in history -- would come to be known as the “special relationship” that helped win the conflict, preserve democracy, and save the world.  As the years passed and the legend surrounding the alliance took shape, the manner of its creation seemed almost preordained: first, Winston Churchill rousing his nation to stand alone against Hitler; then Franklin D. Roosevelt and America coming to the rescue of Churchill and the British.

But in March 1941, when Winant arrived in London to take up his post, such  a happy ending was far from certain. In the previous six months, the Luftwaffe had killed tens of thousands of Britons in its attacks on London and other British cities. British armed forces, which lacked adequate arms and ammunition, were on the defensive everywhere. German submarines were operating at will in the Atlantic, sinking vast amounts of merchant shipping and slowly strangling British supply lines. Starvation for the civilian population loomed as a distinct possibility, as did a cross-Channel invasion by Germany. “We were hanging on by our eyelids,” recalled Field Marshal Lord Alanbrooke, Britain’s top military leader during the war. Winant himself would later write: “There were many times when one felt the sands would run out and it all would be over.”

As the British well knew, their only hope for salvation lay in American help. Yet that aid had been miserly thus far, even as Britain’s future grew increasingly bleak. Many in Washington had already written the country off. How could this little island, no matter how glorious its military past, resist an invader that had toppled every country in its path like so many duckpins? Among those who believed in Britain’s inevitable defeat was Joseph P. Kennedy, Winant’s predecessor as U.S. ambassador, who, along with several thousand other American residents of Britain, fled to the United States at the height of the Blitz. 

Winant, by contrast, made it clear from the beginning that he was in the country to stay. “There was one man who was with us, who never believed we would surrender, and that was John Gilbert Winant,” noted Ernest Bevin, a leading figure in Churchill’s government.  Within days of the new ambassador’s arrival, an embassy subordinate remarked, he had “conveyed to the entire British nation the sure feeling that here was a friend.”

Winant, however, was not the only American in London to take a critical role in encouraging the British and pressing for an Anglo-American partnership. Two others – W. Averell Harriman and Edward R. Murrow – were prominent actors in the drama as well.  Harriman, the aggressive, ambitious chairman of Union Pacific railroad, arrived in the British capital soon after Winant to become administrator of U.S. Lend-Lease aid to Britain.  Murrow, the head of CBS News in Europe, had been stationed in the British capital since 1937.

As the most important Americans in London during the war’s early years, Winant, Harriman, and Murrow were key participants in America’s debate over whether Britain, the last bastion of freedom in Europe, should be saved. While Murrow championed the British cause in his broadcasts to the American people, Harriman and Winant mediated between a desperate prime minister and a cautious president, who was as wary of his isolationist opponents at home as he was initially skeptical of Britain’s chances.  The famous friendship that developed between these dominating, egocentric leaders – “two prima donnas,” Harry Hopkins, Roosevelt’s chief aide, called them – was nowhere on the horizon at that point. 

In the years since the war, most of the attention and much of the credit for the triumph of the Anglo-American alliance has been given to the intimate collaboration of Roosevelt and Churchill. Much less carefully examined has been the vital part played by men like Winant, Harriman, and Murrow in laying the groundwork for the two leaders’ partnership, at a time when Roosevelt and Churchill not only were strangers but were suspicious and even hostile toward each other.

Sent to London as Roosevelt’s eyes and ears, Winant and Harriman were to evaluate Britain’s capacity for resistance and survival. Both swiftly came to the conclusion that Britain would hold out, and they made clear to Washington they stood with her. The two envoys lobbied Roosevelt and his men to provide as much aid as possible and even to go to war. In more veiled language, Murrow did the same in his broadcasts.

Knowing how important the three men were to his country’s survival, Churchill courted them as relentlessly as he would later woo Roosevelt. The prime minister had an open-door policy where Murrow was concerned. Winant and Harriman became part of Churchill’s inner circle, with unprecedented access to the prime minister and members of his government. Rarely – before or since – has diplomacy been so personal. That intimacy also extended to the Americans’ relationship with members of the prime minister’s family. Indeed, so intense were their bonds with the Churchills that Harriman, Winant, and Murrow all engaged in wartime love affairs with Churchill family members.

When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and the United States finally entered the war, the three Americans’ resolute support of an alliance between their homeland and Britain finally came to fruition.  Their importance in the forging of that union can best be illustrated by their whereabouts on December 7, 1941. While Winant and Harriman were having dinner with Churchill at Chequers, Murrow was at the White House with Roosevelt.

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By all accounts, the scene that wintry night at the prime minister’s country retreat was jubilant. As soon as they heard the news about Pearl Harbor, all those present knew that their long fight was over: America was now in the war. According to one observer, Churchill and Winant did a little dance together around the room. But the complex saga of the Anglo-American alliance had only just begun.

Despite the veneer of collegiality painted by Churchill in his memoirs, the partnership was fragile and fractious from the moment of its birth. The two countries may have shared a common language and heritage, but their political and military leaders, from Churchill and Roosevelt on down, possessed remarkably little understanding and knowledge of each other.  Ignorant of the other’s history and culture, both allies tended to think of their cousins across the sea in stereotypes, with scant appreciation for their respective political and military difficulties.

Suspicions, strains, prejudices, and rivalries threatened to derail this new and unparalleled confederation before it took hold. Such problems were exacerbated by British condescension toward the Americans and U.S. resentment toward the British. As Sir Michael Howard, a British military historian, has noted, “The British approached the alliance from the point of view that the Americans had everything to learn and the British were there to teach them. The Americans took the approach that if anyone had anything to teach them, it was not the British who had been beaten over and over again and were not a very good army.”

In this fraught environment, the role of mediator took on new importance.  While Roosevelt and Churchill took justifiable pride in their close and direct communications with each other, both Winant and Harriman continued to act as interpreters and peacemakers between the leaders, explaining the thoughts and actions of one to the other. In addition, Winant worked to alleviate tensions and promote cooperation among the two countries’ other top military and government figures. According to The Times of London, the American ambassador was the “adhesive” that helped to hold the wartime alliance together. “It was not Mr. Winant who turned the cooperation of the English-speaking peoples into the most intimate alliance recorded in history,” the newspaper remarked after the war. “But it was Mr. Winant who established and sustained the mutual understanding in the present – and identity of aim for the future – which made such intimacy possible.”

Joining forces with Murrow and Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, the first commander of American forces in Britain, Winant also sought to educate the citizens of the two countries about each other, to smoothe away the misunderstandings and stresses that increasingly cropped up as the war approached its climax. Those strains were especially felt in war-straitened Britain, as Americans began arriving in massive numbers to prepare for the invasion of Europe. By mid-1943, the American presence in London – and the rest of Britain -- was overwhelming. Everywhere one looked, it seemed, a new American air force base or army training camp was being built in a country the size of Georgia or Michigan. The streets and pubs of the British capital, meanwhile, were choked with thousands of brash, boisterous GIs on leave.

As the nerve center of Allied planning for the war in Europe, London was the place to be in the early 1940s. “Blacked out, bombed out, expensive and hard to get around in, it was still magnificent – the Paris of World War II,” observed one historian. Wealthy, well-connected American civilians, from New York investment bankers to Hollywood directors, vied to be assigned there on temporary government duty, rightly considering it the most exciting, vibrant city in the world during that tumultuous time.

Whether military or civilian, the Americans in London and the rest of the country were paid far more and lived considerably better than the great majority of the British, who struggled daily with scarcity. The vast difference in Anglo-American living standards reflected the profoundly different way in which the two allies experienced the war: one country on the front line, suffering deprivation and hardship; the other thousands of miles away from the battle, its citizens more prosperous than ever before.

Such disparities caused mounting tension, as did America’s flexing of its muscle as the larger and stronger partner of the alliance.  Late in World War II, the United States came of age as the greatest economic, military, and political power in the world – and in so doing, revealed an array of complexities and contradictions.  On the one hand,  Roosevelt and his administration championed freedom, justice, and equality for all nations. On the other hand, the U.S. government  left no doubt in the minds of the British  -- and the smaller European countries in the larger Western alliance --  that America was now in charge of running the war and that it would dominate in the postwar world. “This is an American-made victory,” the Chicago Tribune editorialized in 1944, “and the peace must be an American peace.”

While keenly aware that American intervention was rescuing them from Hitler,  the British and other Europeans viewed their saviors as throwing their weight around without regard for the long-term international consequences of their actions.  They saw an arrogance there,  a misguided sense of destiny on the part of the Americans, who, having little knowledge of the globe beyond their borders and scant prior experience in dealing with it,  nonetheless planned to take it over and single handedly set it to rights.  A British woman who worked at U.S. naval headquarters in wartime London used to tell her American co-workers that “they needed to know more about the world before they could lead it.”

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Throughout the war, Gil Winant and Ed Murrow, close friends who championed postwar economic and social reform as well as international cooperation, reflected America’s idealistic side. Averell Harriman, a tough-minded pragmatist intent on broadening his own power and influence, as well as that of his country, became an exemplar of U.S. exceptionalism. In the postwar era, it was the world view of Harriman and others like him that dominated American foreign policy.  Along with such longtime friends and associates as Dean Acheson, Robert Lovett, and John McCloy (collectively known as the “Wise Men”), Harriman worked to create a Pax Americana throughout the globe.     

In the decades that followed the war, Winant’s approach to international relations  –  “to concentrate on the things that unite humanity rather than on the things that divide it” – was regarded as simplistic and naïve. Toughness was now the mantra, as America, brandishing its military and economic might, set out to impose its own ideology and ways of doing things on the rest of the world.

It didn’t take long, however, for the world to rebel. Tired of being ordered about, other countries increasingly rejected American leadership and, by the dawn of the twenty-first century, many of them insisted on playing by their own rules. Facing a rapid decline in the influence and power to which it had laid claim only sixty-odd years before, the United States, with the advent of the administration of Barack Obama, began to acknowledge the need to promote global cooperation rather than solely American interests and to build true partnerships with other nations.

As it reaches out more to the world, America might do well to look back at the success of the U.S.-British alliance in World War II – and the yeoman work of Winant, Murrow, Eisenhower, and others in holding it together when nationalism and other forces threatened to tear it apart. Shortly after the United States dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, Winant spoke at dedication ceremonies for a monument in southeast England to honor the American forces who landed in France on D-Day. In remarks broadcast by the BBC, the ambassador declared that if man was to survive in this perilous new period, he “must learn to live together in friendship,” to act “as if the welfare of a neighboring nation was almost as important as the welfare of your own.” Winant acknowledged that the accomplishment of such goals  would be a supremely difficult task. “But,” he added, “so was D-Day. If that could be done, anything can be done – if we really care to do it.”

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And that ain't all Churchill did during the great provacateured century of unnecessary world war... and others were guilty as well... Give this book by Pat Buchanan a read...

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Winston S. Churchill: departmental minute (Churchill papers: 16/16) 12 May 1919 War Office

    I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas.

    I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected.
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Olson stressed during the interview that Churchill and Winant weren’t reacting to the horrific details of the Pearl Harbor attack.

The title's a bit misleading then.

I think all the elites, and Churchil certainly was an elite, are heartless devils, but why guild the lilly here?  

They didn't even hear of the casualties, only that America had entered the war, so the game could play as they intended.

The war financed and started by the elites... same old same old..


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The title's a bit misleading then.

I think all the elites, and Churchil certainly was an elite, are heartless devils, but why guild the lilly here?  

They didn't even hear of the casualties, only that America had entered the war, so the game could play as they intended.

The war financed and started by the elites... same old same old..



he did not know that americans died when he heard that his man hirohito sneak attacked a military base with 10,000+ personnel?
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thanx for this sane ;)

i found out about it watching the author interviewed by jon stewart. he brought it up and the audience laughed like it was just a cute little side story. i followed up and got all of this info and to me it is not a side story, it IS the story!
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i found out about it watching the author interviewed by jon stewart. he brought it up and the audience laughed like it was just a cute little side story. i followed up and got all of this info and to me it is not a side story, it IS the story!

.....and a sad one @ that

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Relating to this... does anyone here have the link to a news I heard Alex mentioning once on air, some years ago, about how, on the day of 9/11, when the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees where having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani ISI, someone went to warn them about the attacks and one of them responded in a sarcastic manner "We know..."?
I remember Alex saying that the news appeared in the "Washington Times", but I searched for it at the time and didn't found it.

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....awe and GWB read "My Pet Goat" my how the times have changed.
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....awe and GWB read "My Pet Goat" my how the times have changed.

All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately

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Relating to this... does anyone here have the link to a news I heard Alex mentioning once on air, some years ago, about how, on the day of 9/11, when the heads of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees where having breakfast with the head of the Pakistani ISI, someone went to warn them about the attacks and one of them responded in a sarcastic manner "We know..."?
I remember Alex saying that the news appeared in the "Washington Times", but I searched for it at the time and didn't found it.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO206A.html

Pakistan's Chief Spy Visits Washington

Now, it just so happens that General Mahmoud Ahmad, the alleged "money man" behind 9-11, was in the U.S. when the attacks occurred. He arrived on the 4th of September, one week before 9-11, on what was described as a routine visit of consultations with his U.S. counterparts. According to Pakistani journalist, Amir Mateen (in a prophetic article published on September 10):

    "ISI Chief Lt-Gen. Mahmoud's week-long presence in Washington has triggered speculation about the agenda of his mysterious meetings at the Pentagon and National Security Council. Officially, he is on a routine visit in return to CIA Director George Tenet's earlier visit to Islamabad. Official sources confirm that he met Tenet this week. He also held long parleys with unspecified officials at the White House and the Pentagon. But the most important meeting was with Marc Grossman, U.S. Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. One can safely guess that the discussions must have centred around Afghanistan . . . and Osama bin Laden. What added interest to his visit is the history of such visits. Last time Ziauddin Butt, Mahmoud's predecessor, was here, during Nawaz Sharif's government, the domestic politics turned topsy-turvy within days." 12

Nawaz Sharif was overthrown by General Pervez Musharaf. General Mahmoud Ahmad, who became the head of the ISI, played a key role in the military coup.

    Schedule of Pakistan's Chief of Military Intelligence Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, Washington, 4-13 September 2001

         

        Summer 2001: ISI Chief Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad transfers $100,000 to 9-11 Ringleader Mohamed Atta.

        4 September: Ahmad arrives in the US on an official visit.

        4-9 September: He meets his US counterparts including CIA Head George Tenet.

        9 September: Assassination of General Massood, leader of the Northern Alliance. Official statement by Northern Alliance points to involvement of the ISI-Osama-Taliban axis.

        11 September: Terrorist Attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon. At the time of the attacks, Lt General Ahmad was at a breakfast meeting at the Capitol with the chairmen of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees Sen Bob Graham and  Rep Porter Goss.  Also present at the meeting were Sen. John Kyl and  the Pakistani ambassador to the U.S., Maleeha Lodhi.

        12-13 September: Meetings between Lt. General Ahmad and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. Agreement on Pakistan's  collaboration negotiated between Ahmad and Armitage.  Meeting between General Ahmad and Secretary of State Colin Powell

        13 September: Ahmad meets Senator Joseph Biden, Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

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Biden Admits Post-9/11 Meeting With Hijacker's Financier.

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whats sick is we just had an episode of doctor who last week about churchill (appropriately in control of a small team of daleks), and the episode, and the accompanying confidential, basically made him out to be a great and noble man ... more brainwashing for six year olds.
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Also see the IPR and the Sorge Spy ring...

The BSC in 1940-1941

Webster G. Tarpley Debunks Pearl
Harbor Myths (Amongst Other Things)


British Security Coordination Spy Ring in the U.S. prior to Pearl Harbor

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/aug/19/military.secondworldwar
The secret persuaders

It was 1940, the Nazis were in the ascendant, the Blitz at its deadliest, and Britain's last hope was to bring a reluctant United States into the war. So it was that the largest covert operation in UK history was launched. William Boyd sheds light on a forgotten spy ring William Boyd
The Guardian, Saturday 19 August 2006


"British Security Coordination". The phrase is bland, almost defiantly ordinary, depicting perhaps some sub-committee of a minor department in a lowly Whitehall ministry. In fact BSC, as it was generally known, represented one of the largest covert operations in British spying history; a covert operation, moreover, that was run not in Occupied France, nor in the Soviet Union during the cold war, but in the US, our putative ally, during 1940 and 1941, before Pearl Harbor and the US's eventual participation in the war in Europe against Nazi Germany.

When Winston Churchill became prime minister in May 1940, he realised immediately - if he had not realised before - that he had to achieve one thing in order to ensure that Britain was not defeated by Hitler's Germany: he had to enlist the US as Britain's ally. With the US alongside Britain, Hitler would be defeated - eventually. Without the US (Russia was neutral at the time), the future looked unbearably bleak. Roosevelt, as president, was predisposed to help - after a fashion and for cash on delivery - but the situation in America was overwhelmingly isolationist. One easily forgets this, in the era of our much-vaunted, so-called "special relationship", but at the nadir of Britain's fortunes, polls in the US still showed that 80% of Americans were against joining the war in Europe. Anglophobia was widespread and the US Congress was violently opposed to any form of intervention.

After the fall of France in June 1940, Britain's position became even weaker - it was assumed that British capitulation was simply a matter of time; why join the side of a doomed loser, ran the argument in the US. Roosevelt's hands were therefore firmly tied. Much as he might have liked to help Britain (and this, I feel, is a moot point: just how enthusiastic was FDR himself?) he dared not risk alienating Congress - and he had a presidential election looming that he did not want to lose. To go to the country on a "Join the war in Europe" ticket would have been electoral suicide. He had to be very pragmatic indeed - and there was no greater pragmatist than FDR.

All the same, Churchill's task, as he himself saw it, was clear: somehow, in some way, the great mass of the population of the US had to be persuaded that it was in their interests to join the war in Europe, that to sit on the sidelines was in some way un-American. And so British Security Coordination came into being.


BSC was set up by a Canadian entrepreneur called William Stephenson, working on behalf of the British Secret Intelligence Services (SIS).

An office was opened in the Rockefeller Centre in Manhattan with the discreet compliance of Roosevelt and J Edgar Hoover of the FBI. But nobody on the American side of the fence knew what BSC's full agenda was nor, indeed, what would be the massive scale of its operations.

What eventually occurred as 1940 became 1941 was that BSC became a huge secret agency of nationwide news manipulation and black propaganda. Pro-British and anti-German stories were planted in American newspapers and broadcast on American radio stations, and simultaneously a campaign of harassment and denigration was set in motion against those organisations perceived to be pro-Nazi or virulently isolationist (such as the notoriously anti-British America First Committee - it had more than a million paid-up members).

Stephenson called his methods "political warfare", but the remarkable fact about BSC was that no one had ever tried to achieve such a level of "spin", as we would call it today, on such a vast and pervasive scale in another country. The aim was to change the minds of an entire population: to make the people of America think that joining the war in Europe was a "good thing" and thereby free Roosevelt to act without fear of censure from Congress or at the polls in an election.

BSC's media reach was extensive: it included such eminent American columnists as Walter Winchell and Drew Pearson, and influenced coverage in newspapers such as the Herald Tribune, the New York Post and the Baltimore Sun. BSC effectively ran its own radio station, WRUL, and a press agency, the Overseas News Agency (ONA), feeding stories to the media as they required from foreign datelines to disguise their provenance. WRUL would broadcast a story from ONA and it thus became a US "source" suitable for further dissemination, even though it had arrived there via BSC agents. It would then be legitimately picked up by other radio stations and newspapers, and relayed to listeners and readers as fact. The story would spread exponentially and nobody suspected this was all emanating from three floors of the Rockefeller Centre. BSC took enormous pains to ensure its propaganda was circulated and consumed as bona fide news reporting. To this degree its operations were 100% successful: they were never rumbled.

Nobody really knows how many people ended up working for BSC - as agents or sub-agents or sub-sub-agents - although I have seen the figure mentioned of up to 3,000. Certainly at the height of its operations in late 1941 there were many hundreds of agents and many hundreds of fellow travellers (enough finally to stir the suspicions of Hoover, for one). Three thousand British agents spreading propaganda and mayhem in a staunchly anti-war America. It almost defies belief. Try to imagine a CIA office in Oxford Street with 3,000 US operatives working in a similar way. The idea would be incredible - but it was happening in America in 1940 and 1941, and the organisation grew and grew.

From a novelist's point of view, to discover such a forgotten corner of 20th-century history is a wonderful and unique gift. I had long wanted to write a novel about a spy, a woman spy in fact, but to have her spying in America - rather than in Russia or Germany or Occupied France - seemed an irresistible bonus. The more I investigated BSC's activities, the more intrigued I became. Some of BSC's schemes verged on the absurd; some were highly sophisticated media manipulation.

BSC invented a game called "Vik", described as "a fascinating new pastime for lovers of democracy". Printed booklets described up to 500 ways of harassing and annoying Nazi sympathisers. Players of Vik were encouraged to ring up their targets at all hours of the night and hang up. Dead rats could be put in water tanks, air could be let out of the subject's car tyres, anonymous deliveries could be made to his house and so on. In the summer of 1941, BSC sent a sham Hungarian astrologer to the US called Louis de Wohl. At a press conference De Wohl said he had been studying Hitler's astrological chart and could see nothing but disaster ahead for the German dictator. De Wohl became a minor celebrity and went on tour through the US, issuing similar dire prognostications about Hitler and his allies. De Wohl's wholly bogus predictions were widely published.

However, one of BSC's most successful operations originated in South America and illustrates the clandestine ability it had to influence even the most powerful. The aim was to suggest that Hitler's ambitions extended across the Atlantic. In October 1941, a map was stolen from a German courier's bag in Buenos Aires. The map purported to show a South America divided into five new states - Gaus, each with their own Gauleiter - one of which, Neuspanien, included Panama and "America's lifeline" the Panama Canal. In addition, the map detailed Lufthansa routes from Europe to and across South America, extending into Panama and Mexico. The inference was obvious: watch out, America, Hitler will be at your southern border soon. The map was taken as entirely credible and Roosevelt even cited it in a powerful pro-war, anti-Nazi speech on October 27 1941: "This map makes clear the Nazi design," Roosevelt declaimed, "not only against South America but against the United States as well."

The news of the map caused a tremendous stir: as a piece of anti-Nazi propaganda it could not be bettered. But was the South America map genuine? My own hunch is that it was a British forgery (BSC had a superb document forging facility across the border in Canada). The story of its provenance is just too pat to be wholly believable. Allegedly, only two of these maps were made; one was in Hitler's keeping, the other with the German ambassador in Buenos Aires. So how come a German courier, who was involved in a car crash in Buenos Aires, happened to have a copy on him? Conveniently, this courier was being followed by a British agent who in the confusion of the incident somehow managed to snaffle the map from his bag and it duly made its way to Washington.

The story of the South America map and the other BSC schemes was written up (in an extensive document of some hundreds of pages) after the war for private circulation by three former members of BSC (one of them Roald Dahl, interestingly enough). This secret history was a form of present for William Stephenson and a selected few others; it was available only in typescript and only 10 typescripts ever existed. Churchill had one, Stephenson had one and others were given to a few high officials in the SIS but they were regarded as top secret.

When Stephenson's highly colourful and vividly inaccurate biography was written (A Man Called Intrepid, 1976), the BSC typescript was drawn on by its author, but very selectively - in order to spare American blushes. The story of BSC seemed to be one of those wartime secrets that was never to be wholly revealed, like Bletchley Park and the Enigma machine decryptions. But the Enigma story was eventually made public and has been written about endlessly since the mid-1970s, fostering films, TV plays and novels in the wake of the revelations. But somehow BSC and the role of British agents in the US before Pearl Harbor has remained almost wholly undisclosed - one wonders why.

In 1998 the BSC typescript (one of only two remaining) was eventually published. To say it fell stillborn from the press would be an understatement. Yet here is a book of some 500 pages, written just after the war by former BSC agents, telling the whole story of Britain's US infiltration in great detail, recounting all the dirty tricks and the copious and widespread news manipulation that went on. I think it's fair to say that historians of the British Secret Services know about BSC and its operations, yet in the wider world it still remains virtually unheard of.

The reason is the story of BSC and its operations before Pearl Harbor is deeply embarrassing and remains so to this day. The document is explicit and condescending about American gullibility: "The simple truth is the United States is inhabited by people of many conflicting races, interests and creeds. These people, though fully conscious of their wealth and power in the aggregate, are still unsure of themselves individually, still basically on the defensive." BSC set out to manipulate "these people" and was very successful at so doing - hardly the kind of attitude countries involved in a "special relationship" should display. But that relationship is a Churchillian myth, invented and fostered by him after the war, and has been bought into wholesale by every subsequent British prime minister (with the possible exception of Harold Wilson).

As the secret history of the BSC unequivocally shows, sovereign states act exclusively to serve their own interests. A commentator in the Washington Post who read the BSC history remarked, "Like many intelligence operations, this one involved exquisite moral ambiguity. The British used ruthless methods to achieve their goals; by today's peacetime standards, some of the activities may seem outrageous. Yet they were done in the cause of Britain's war against the Nazis - and by pushing America towards intervention, the British spies helped win the war." Would BSC's activities eventually have encouraged the US to join the war in Europe? It remains one of the great "what ifs" of historical speculation. The tide of US public opinion seemed to be turning towards the end of 1941 - though isolationist sentiments remained very strong - and BSC's propaganda and relentless news manipulation deserved much of the credit for that change but, in the event, matters were taken out of BSC's hands. On the morning of Sunday, December 7 1941 the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor - the "day of infamy" had dawned and the question of American neutrality was gone for ever.

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Thanks donnay and ImmortalTRUTH. I already know about the meeting between Senator Graham, Congressman Goss and the "money man" behind 9/11. What I was curious to know more about was the details of how they were apparently warned about the attacks when they were meeting. I remember Alex mentioning once that it was published in a "Washington Times" article that they reacted unsurprised to the fact and responded in a condescend manner to the person who warned them (or were even amused(?) by the person's reaction). That's what I wanted to clear out. Thanks again for your links anyway.

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Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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 Elenor Roosevelts diary is public record, in it she states that Franklin discussed with his top man the bombing of Pearl Harbor, days before.Pearl Harbor -
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Page 223 of her diary clearly states her overhearing the conversation.
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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2013, 10:57:00 AM »
This is a thread I started in 2011 based on this very topic....


Heres a good link to the show that inspired that thread...

(as a side note Douglas Dietrich from interview above is on Coast to Coast again tonight Dec 7 2013, to mark the now 72 years of "our" so called govt and its MSM propagandists lying us into the matrix)

heres a post from said thread thats got lots of goodies and theres way more here including this among other doc scans.....

"They realize the necessity for keeping the thing quiet and will take due precautions.."

    - Memorandum from W.L. Keys to Navy Secretary Frank Knox
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America's Plan to Bomb Japan before Pearl Harbor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wNA--Pw9Y8

Alan Armstrong presents a concise discussion on Joint Board 355 in which President Roosevelt on July 23, 1941, authorized the bombing of Japan by way of a campaign of secret air warfare with American planes and pilots operating from China under cover of the Chinese Air Force.

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By: David Swanson Sunday December 4, 2011 9:10 pm

70 Years of Lying About Pearl Harbor
   

British Prime Minister Winston Churchill's fervent hope for years was that Japan would attack the United States. This would permit the United States (not legally, but politically) to fully enter World War II in Europe, as its president wanted to do, as opposed to merely providing weaponry and assisting in targeting of submarines as it had been doing. Of course, Germany's declaration of war, which followed Pearl Harbor and the immediate U.S. declaration of war on Japan, helped as well, but it was Pearl Harbor that radically converted the American people from opposition to support for war.

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt had tried lying to the American people about U.S. ships including the Greer and the Kerny, which had been helping British planes track German submarines, but which Roosevelt pretended had been innocently attacked. Roosevelt also lied that he had in his possession a secret Nazi map planning the conquest of South America, as well as a secret Nazi plan for replacing all religions with Nazism. And yet, the people of the United States didn't buy the idea of going into another war until Pearl Harbor, by which point Roosevelt had already instituted the draft, activated the National Guard, created a huge Navy in two oceans, traded old destroyers to England in exchange for the lease of its bases in the Caribbean and Bermuda, and — just 11 days before the "unexpected" attack — he had secretly ordered the creation of a list of every Japanese and Japanese-American person in the United States.





On April 28, 1941, Churchill wrote a secret directive to his war cabinet:

"It may be taken as almost certain that the entry of Japan into the war would be followed by the immediate entry of the United States on our side."

On May 11, 1941, Robert Menzies, the prime minister of Australia, met with Roosevelt and found him "a little jealous" of Churchill's place in the center of the war. While Roosevelt's cabinet all wanted the United States to enter the war, Menzies found that Roosevelt,

    " . . . trained under Woodrow Wilson in the last war, waits for an incident, which would in one blow get the USA into war and get R. out of his foolish election pledges that 'I will keep you out of war.'"

On August 18, 1941, Churchill met with his cabinet at 10 Downing Street. The meeting had some similarity to the July 23, 2002, meeting at the same address, the minutes of which became known as the Downing Street Minutes. Both meetings revealed secret U.S. intentions to go to war. In the 1941 meeting, Churchill told his cabinet, according to the minutes: "The President had said he would wage war but not declare it." In addition, "Everything was to be done to force an incident."

Japan was certainly not averse to attacking others and had been busy creating an Asian empire. And the United States and Japan were certainly not living in harmonious friendship. But what could bring the Japanese to attack?

When President Franklin Roosevelt visited Pearl Harbor on July 28, 1934, seven years before the Japanese attack, the Japanese military expressed apprehension. General Kunishiga Tanaka wrote in the Japan Advertiser, objecting to the build-up of the American fleet and the creation of additional bases in Alaska and the Aleutian Islands:

    "Such insolent behavior makes us most suspicious. It makes us think a major disturbance is purposely being encouraged in the Pacific. This is greatly regretted."

Whether it was actually regretted or not is a separate question from whether this was a typical and predictable response to military expansionism, even when done in the name of "defense." The great unembedded (as we would today call him) journalist George Seldes was suspicious as well. In October 1934 he wrote in Harper's Magazine: "It is an axiom that nations do not arm for war but for a war." Seldes asked an official at the Navy League:

    "Do you accept the naval axiom that you prepare to fight a specific navy?"
    The man replied "Yes."
    "Do you contemplate a fight with the British navy?"
    "Absolutely, no."
    "Do you contemplate war with Japan?"
    "Yes."

In 1935 the most decorated U.S. Marine in history at the time, Brigadier General Smedley D. Butler, published to enormous success a short book called War Is a Racket. He saw perfectly well what was coming and warned the nation:

    "At each session of Congress the question of further naval appropriations comes up. The swivel-chair admirals don't shout that 'We need lots of battleships to war on this nation or that nation.' Oh, no. First of all, they let it be known that America is menaced by a great naval power. Almost any day, these admirals will tell you, the great fleet of this supposed enemy will strike suddenly and annihilate our 125,000,000 people. Just like that. Then they begin to cry for a larger navy. For what? To fight the enemy? Oh my, no. Oh, no. For defense purposes only. Then, incidentally, they announce maneuvers in the Pacific. For defense. Uh, huh.

    "The Pacific is a great big ocean. We have a tremendous coastline in the Pacific. Will the maneuvers be off the coast, two or three hundred miles? Oh, no. The maneuvers will be two thousand, yes, perhaps even thirty-five hundred miles, off the coast.

    "The Japanese, a proud people, of course will be pleased beyond expression to see the United States fleet so close to Nippon's shores. Even as pleased as would be the residents of California were they to dimly discern, through the morning mist, the Japanese fleet playing at war games off Los Angeles."

In March 1935, Roosevelt bestowed Wake Island on the U.S. Navy and gave Pan Am Airways a permit to build runways on Wake Island, Midway Island, and Guam. Japanese military commanders announced that they were disturbed and viewed these runways as a threat. So did peace activists in the United States. By the next month, Roosevelt had planned war games and maneuvers near the Aleutian Islands and Midway Island. By the following month, peace activists were marching in New York advocating friendship with Japan. Norman Thomas wrote in 1935:

    "The Man from Mars who saw how men suffered in the last war and how frantically they are preparing for the next war, which they know will be worse, would come to the conclusion that he was looking at the denizens of a lunatic asylum."





The U.S. Navy spent the next few years working up plans for war with Japan, the March 8, 1939, version of which described "an offensive war of long duration" that would destroy the military and disrupt the economic life of Japan. In January 1941, eleven months before the attack, the Japan Advertiser expressed its outrage over Pearl Harbor in an editorial, and the U.S. ambassador to Japan wrote in his diary:

    "There is a lot of talk around town to the effect that the Japanese, in case of a break with the United States, are planning to go all out in a surprise mass attack on Pearl Harbor. Of course I informed my government."

On February 5, 1941, Rear Admiral Richmond Kelly Turner wrote to Secretary of War Henry Stimson to warn of the possibility of a surprise attack at Pearl Harbor.

As early as 1932 the United States had been talking with China about providing airplanes, pilots, and training for its war with Japan. In November 1940, Roosevelt loaned China one hundred million dollars for war with Japan, and after consulting with the British, U.S. Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau made plans to send the Chinese bombers with U.S. crews to use in bombing Tokyo and other Japanese cities. On December 21, 1940, two weeks shy of a year before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, China's Minister of Finance T.V. Soong and Colonel Claire Chennault, a retired U.S. Army flier who was working for the Chinese and had been urging them to use American pilots to bomb Tokyo since at least 1937, met in Henry Morgenthau's dining room to plan the firebombing of Japan. Morgenthau said he could get men released from duty in the U.S. Army Air Corps if the Chinese could pay them $1,000 per month. Soong agreed.

On May 24, 1941, the New York Times reported on U.S. training of the Chinese air force, and the provision of "numerous fighting and bombing planes" to China by the United States. "Bombing of Japanese Cities is Expected" read the subheadline. By July, the Joint Army-Navy Board had approved a plan called JB 355 to firebomb Japan. A front corporation would buy American planes to be flown by American volunteers trained by Chennault and paid by another front group. Roosevelt approved, and his China expert Lauchlin Currie, in the words of Nicholson Baker, "wired Madame Chaing Kai-Shek and Claire Chennault a letter that fairly begged for interception by Japanese spies." Whether or not that was the entire point, this was the letter:

    "I am very happy to be able to report today the President directed that sixty-six bombers be made available to China this year with twenty-four to be delivered immediately. He also approved a Chinese pilot training program here. Details through normal channels. Warm regards."

Our ambassador had said "in case of a break with the United States" the Japanese would bomb Pearl Harbor. I wonder if this qualified!

The 1st American Volunteer Group (AVG) of the Chinese Air Force, also known as the Flying Tigers, moved ahead with recruitment and training immediately, were provided to China prior to Pearl Harbor, and first saw combat on December 20, 1941, twelve days (local time) after the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

On May 31, 1941, at the Keep America Out of War Congress, William Henry Chamberlin gave a dire warning: "A total economic boycott of Japan, the stoppage of oil shipments for instance, would push Japan into the arms of the Axis. Economic war would be a prelude to naval and military war." The worst thing about peace advocates is how many times they turn out to be right. ............continued...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x325622

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Heres some related (sort of) material consisting of pre pearl harbor war mongering scripted, oh so "liberal" or "progressive" black propaganda designed to shape American's opinions to justify the Illuminati sacrament of blood that was WW2....
The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2013, 11:48:17 AM »
YES...He knew!
 To allow the Japanese fleet to bomb Pearl would insure recruitment's, and the sense of righteous revenge.
 Sacrificial lambs,- insured immediate public reaction.
  How many folks do you know that are convinced 911 was Osama and his gang that did the deed.?
                     
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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2013, 03:42:57 AM »
(as a side note Douglas Dietrich from interview above is on Coast to Coast again tonight Dec 7 2013, to mark the now 72 years of "our" so called govt and its MSM propagandists lying us into the matrix)

Im listening to the Dr. Jim Garrow interview now..... (CtoC AM 12/7/13)very ... interesting so far but oddly lacking.........

This guy is really worrying......

Dr. Jim Garrow = two face
The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2013, 12:44:00 PM »
Tarpley puts the insider Anglo-American Churchill blame at Admiral Turner , ONE COULD SAY THIS GAVE FDR PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY, many threads are here about WWII - there is also the BSC = "British Security Coordination" which was based at 30 ROCK NYC - known by J Edgar Hoover and FDR -
However it seems clear now that at the very least Churchill had prior knowledge via China that the Japanese were attacking in the November/December time frame - did he tell FDR?  It seems as though  Adm Turner also had the same information  

Also the follow thru for the attack on Pearl was to continue on and attack the Panama Canal  which was aborted Why?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond_K._Turner
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Responsibility for Pearl Harbor

As head of the War Plans Division of the Navy Department, Turner was subordinate only to the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Harold R. Stark, at the time of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941.

Although in theory the Head of Naval Intelligence, Captain Theodore Wilkinson, reported directly to Stark, in practice he was answerable to Turner, and

Turner made the important decisions about the handling of naval intelligence.

It was therefore Turner who made the decision not to send the Commander of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, Admiral Husband E. Kimmel, details of the intercepted Japanese diplomatic communications which pointed strongly to an imminent air or sea attack on the Pacific Fleet's base at Pearl Harbor.

Kimmel testified after the war that had he known of these communications, he would have maintained a much higher level of alert and that the Fleet would not have been taken by surprise by the Japanese attack. The leading historian of the attack on Pearl Harbor, Professor Gordon Prange, wrote in Pearl Harbor: The Verdict of History that, even allowing for Kimmel's desire to exculpate himself, this was correct.

Prange wrote: "If Turner thought a Japanese raid on Hawaii... to be a 50-percent chance, it was his clear duty to say so plainly in his directive to Kimmel... He won the battle for dominance of War Plans over Intelligence, and had to abide by the consequences. If his estimates had enabled the U.S. to fend off... the Japanese threat at Pearl Harbor, Turner would deserve the appreciation of a grateful nation. By the same token, he could not justly avoid his share of the blame for failure

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Even more devastating was the lose of the B-17's Dec 8 1941 on the Philippines - what was MacArthur's brainfart? They had an 8 hour window of knowledge from the bombing of Pearl the react to the attack and prepare....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress
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The B-17 began operations in World War II with the RAF in 1941 (but was not successful), and in the Southwest Pacific with the U.S. Army.

The 19th Bombardment Group had deployed to Clark Field in the Philippines a few weeks before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor as the first of a planned heavy bomber buildup in the Pacific. Half of the group's B-17s were wiped out on 8 December 1941 when they were caught on the ground during refueling and rearming for a planned attack on Japanese airfields on Formosa.

 The small force of B-17s operated against the Japanese invasion force until they were withdrawn to Darwin, in Australia's Northern Territory
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bump dec 7 2013

youtube link to Webster Tarplay's Pearl harbor Revisited:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc1OPOeGvlQ
"Pearl Harbor Revisited" lecture by Webster G. Tarpley 2007

Webster G. Tarpley: Pearl Harbor Revisited from an Anti-Facist Perspective: 2+ hour lecture from 2007
Webster G. Tarpley lectures, interviews, articles, and his weekly World Crisis Radio show are available first at http://tarpley.net .

http://www.progressivepress.com/page/all-12-tarpley-dvds

All 12 Tarpley DVDs
 
FTAN Facing the Truth about 9/11 with Webster Tarpley, Author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror, and Barrie Zwicker Seattle, April 2006.
IRV Tarpley at the Justice & Freedom Conference What Really Happened on 9/11? Irvine, Calif., March 2007 (Scheduled presentation)
IRVN Tarpley at the Justice & Freedom Conference What Really Happened on 9/11? March 2007 (Special evening presentation)
ISPY C-Span BookTV April 2012. Tarpley debates scoffer Jonathan Kay and Neo-Con David Frum at the International Spy Museum
LANY Two Audiovisual Presentations by W G Tarpley. 1. LA Citizens’ Grand Jury, 10/23/04. 2. NYC, 9/11 Truth Key to Stop WWIII, 1/15/05.
NCON2 American Scholars Symposium, 6/26/04, Los Angeles, 9/11 & the NeoCon Agenda #2 of 4 Webster G Tarpley 1:16, Charlie Sheen, Alex Jones 1:28, Jimmy Walter 0:37, Prof Steven Jones 2:04.)
PERL Webster Griffin Tarpley, Historian, in San Diego on 7/7/2007. Presenting Lecture and Slide show: Pearl Harbor Revisited.
WBC Webster Griffin Tarpley Understanding the Dynamics of 9/11 Vancouver 9/11 Truth Conference June 22-24, 2007. 2’ 48”
WGT4 Four Webster Tarpley Lectures. 1. San Francisco 9/11 Inquiry 3/04. 2. Washington DC. 3. Lafayette Park, DC. 4. Toronto, 5/04.
WSD Webster Griffin Tarpley, San Diego, 7/8/2007, Lecture and Slide show: 9/11 & Current Political Situation.
WTAZ Webster Griffin Tarpley, Author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror, at the 9/11 Accountability Conference Chandler Arizona, Feb. 2007
WZMS 1. Barrie Zwicker; 2. Webster Tarpley, at 3rd Place Books; Seattle, April 11, 2006. 3. Marlin Hathaway’s Social Justice DVD.

https://www.ussecurepay.com/carts/treeol/cart.asp?item=0068
WGT-12-Set All 12 Tarpley DVDs $20.00

British Security Coordination - "Hitler's New World Order" 1941 Roosevelt speech )

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new link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak61DaD32Ww

[ Listen to the audio link on this page: ]

http://www.amazon.com/Desperate-Deception-Thomas-E-Mahl/dp/0786116102

Desperate Deception
by Thomas E. Mahl   (Author)   , William Sutherland (Narrator)

- Reveals the widespread use of front groups, agents, and collaborators
- Details how British agents manipulated polling data and influenced election campaigns

It was a desperate time for England. Faced with the growing prospect of war with Germany in 1939, the British government mounted a massive secret political campaign in the United States to weaken the isolationists, bring America into the war, and then influence U.S. war policy in England's favor. Desperate Deception details a vast program that not only helped change the course of World War II but also the face of American politics in succeeding decades.


Douglas Dietrich interview on C2C [Explosive Video]

Heres a good link to the show that inspired this thread...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidio_of_San_Francisco
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1951 — The Presidio hosted ceremonies for signing the ANZUS Treaty, a security pact of Australia, New Zealand, and the U.S. The Japan-US security treaty was signed at the Presidio, while the Japanese Peace Treaty was signed in downtown San Francisco

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan-US_security_treaty

The Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan (日本国とアメリカ合衆国との間の相互協力及び安全保障条約 Nippon-koku to Amerika-gasshūkoku to no Aida no Sōgo Kyōryoku oyobi Anzen Hoshō Jōyaku?), also known in Japan as Anpo jōyaku (安保条約?) or just Anpo (安保?) for short,[1] was first signed in 1952 at the San Francisco Presidio following the signing of the Treaty of San Francisco (commonly known as the Peace Treaty of San Francisco) at the San Francisco War Memorial Opera House. Then, the Security Treaty was later amended further on January 1960 between the US and Japan in Washington.
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The earlier Security Treaty of 1951 provided the initial basis for the Japan's security relations with the United States. It was signed after Japan gained full sovereignty at the end of the allied occupation.


http://aboutjapan.japansociety.org/content.cfm/signing_usjapan_securitytreaty



In this picture, Shigeru Yoshida, the Prime Minister of Japan at the time, signed the US-Japan Security Treaty in the San Francisco Presidio on September 8, 1951. The Security Treaty, which was signed shortly after the signing of the Japanese Peace Treaty that would be the basis for ending the Occupation of Japan, permitted American land, sea and air forces to remain in and around Japan indefinitely after the Peace treaty took effect and the Occupation ended. The Treaty also gave American forces limited police powers on Japanese soil (off of their bases), for things such as putting down riots.  

Many in Japan were unhappy with the Treaty, believing it established a type of "subordinate independence" to the United States, and also made Japan a potential target for enemies of the United States.  Yoshida believed that this agreement helped allow the Occupation to end more quickly.  

The Security Treaty officially ended the state of war in Japan and helped lead to the end of the Occupation in 1952.  In the time leading up to the Treaty, Japan had become an important industrial ally, supplying the US with goods from the begining of the Korean War in 1950. The US would also use Japan to gain tactical advantage, as Japan became a staging point for American military personnel into Korea. In the future, debates over renewing this treaty created tremendous political upheaval in Japan.


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http://www.amazon.com/December-1941-MacArthurs-Williams-Ford-University/dp/1603447415
December 8, 1941: MacArthur's Pearl Harbor (Williams-Ford Texas A&M University Military History Series) Paperback
by William H. Bartsch   (Author)

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By  Lawrence Seeborg   on October 6, 2003
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MacArthur was informed of the Pearl Harbor attack at his penthouse apartment in the Manila Hotel approximately 9 hours before the Japanese attacked Clark Field at 12:15 on the afternoon of December 8.

Louis Morton, a contemporaneous researcher of these events and author of the book, The Fall of the Philippines, characterizes the accounts of events during this time by MacArthur, ...

http://www.baxleystamps.com/litho/meiji/1901081127-3.shtml

Dedication of the M.C. Perry Memorial
 July 1901, Kurihama, Japan

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31 stars - Perry expedition flag...

General Comment. This photograph shows the entrance to the dedication site for M.C. Perry memorial. The monument is visible in the background straight ahead. Large United States and Japanese flags are present at the entrance on cross flag staffs and Japanese sailors armed with swords stand guard.

The US flag on display appears to have 30 or 31 stars (5 rows each with 6 stars across and perhaps 1 more star). The flag of 1853-5 during the period of the Expedition to Japan had 31 stars.

By 1901, the time of the dedication of the memorial, the US flag had 44 stars. It appears that an effort was made to display a period flag (or perhaps the exact flag) that Commodore Perry flew during the expedition. It is know that Perry's Japan Expedition flag exists.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_submarine_U-234
German submarine U-234 was a Type XB U-boat of Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine during World War II.

Her first and only mission into enemy territory consisted of the attempted delivery of uranium oxide and German advanced weapons technology to the Empire of Japan. After learning of Germany's unconditional surrender, the submarine's crew surrendered to the United States on 14 May 1945.
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Wolfgang Hirschfeld reportedly watched the loading into the boat's cylindrical mine shafts of about 50 lead cubes with nine inch (230 mm) sides, with "U-235" painted on each. According to cable messages sent from the dockyard, these containers held "U-powder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNLRmDFx8Xw
Nazi Uranium for the Manhattan Project: 1945 WWII: U-Boat U-234 with U-235 cargo

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=221669
GERMANY HAD A FIRST NUKE AND USED IT AGAINST RUSSIANS IN ESTONIA, HITLER DID NOT LET IT'S USE IN NORMANDY, AND JAPAN ...
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Date: Monday, 14-Nov-2011 15:37:55
... USED IT TO STOP RUSSIANS IN KOREA AFTER THE NAGASAKI
Coping: With More "Historical Rewrites"

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

We have been chatting a bit about the work of Anatoly Fomenko recently. He's the Russian scientist who has been piecing together how much of what we think of as "conventional history" is likely not as old as we'd like to think. I've only gotten through the first of the four volumes of his work, but already a clear pattern has emerged that a lot of "historical dudes" - such as Plato - may have been constructs put together in the Middle Ages in order to "create history" which would be acceptable to the folks who were then the PowersThatBe.

Fast forward to CoastToCoast AM and John B. Wells' interview last night with Douglas Dietrich, who was a Department of Defense research librarian for almost 10-years. An amazing series of revelations about nuclear weapons in WWII!

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[ gee before the Prez. Election looky what happened ... Truman was secretly staying at Blair house - His car broke down so he wasn't there hmmm ... ]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truman_assassination_attempt

The second of two assassination attempts on U.S. President Harry S. Truman occurred on November 1, 1950.[1] It was carried out by two Puerto Rican pro-independence activists, Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola, while the President resided at the Blair House. Torresola mortally wounded White House Police officer Leslie Coffelt, who killed him in return fire. Secret Service agents also were involved and wounded Collazo. President Harry S. Truman was not harmed.[2]

In an unrelated incident in 1947, the Secret Service had arranged to intercept and defuse some letter bombs addressed to Truman and his top staff after being alerted by British Intelligence, who had discovered similar letters sent to high-ranking British officials by the Zionist Stern Gang. This was during the period when the United Nations was reviewing the British mandate in Palestine. Truman supported recognition of an independent Israel in 1948
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth"
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2013, 04:18:28 PM »
Tahoe, have you listened to this?
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Heres some related (sort of) material consisting of pre pearl harbor war mongering scripted, oh so "liberal" or "progressive" black propaganda designed to shape American's opinions to justify the Illuminati sacrament of blood that was WW2....

I have some serious problems swallowing WGT in regards to his FDR worship/ apologism. When you think of how the establishments historical narrative is structured through accidental or coincidental 'major events' there is no more important or pivotal moral justification than Pearl Harbor. It seems to be the one thing most destructive to the legitimacy of the security state, or two sided war party sitting on top of this monstrous MIC/NWO death juggernaut. Yet thats the line WGT wont cross.....

Odd, no?

I am of the opinion that Tarpley is and has been an Internationalist mole.
The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2013, 04:26:21 PM »
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I am of the opinion that Tarpley is and has been an Internationalist mole.


Tarpley reminds me of Yellow Submarine - No where man

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a7b_1187065805
Nowhere Man - The Beatles from the Yellow Submarine

He's a real nowhere Man,
 Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
 Making all his nowhere plans
 for nobody.

Doesn't have a point of view,
 Knows not where he's going to,
 Isn't he a bit like you and me?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Submarine_(film)

Sea of Nothing – where they meet Jeremy Hillary Boob Ph.D., a short pudgy creature with a painted clown face and cotton tail, but a highly studious and helpful ally to the Beatles, who sing "Nowhere Man" in reference to him. As they leave, however, Jeremy starts crying and Ringo, taking pity, invites him to join them aboard the submarine
Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty: For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole ; He shall deliver thee in six troubles: yea, in seven there shall no evil touch thee. - Job 5

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2013, 05:36:19 PM »
 ;D

Wish I had photoshop skills, I'd Tarpleyate that cartoon in a minute!

Seriously though, when AJ talks about being at dinner with people who off the record admit that they're a commie and plan to kill him/us do you think it may be WGT?
The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2013, 07:45:19 AM »
Imperial Japan was on the move before Pearl Harbor. WAR.
  
FDR blinded the commanders at Pearl Harbor and set them up by -

denying intelligence to Hawaii (HI)
on Nov 27, misleading the commanders into thinking negotiations with Japan were continuing to prevent them from realizing the war was on
having false information sent to HI about the location of the Japanese carrier fleet.
BACKGROUND

1904 - The Japanese destroyed the Russian navy in a surprise attack in undeclared war.
1932 - In The Grand Joint Army Navy Exercises the attacker, Admiral Yarnell, attacked with 152 planes a half-hour before dawn 40 miles NE of Kahuku Point and caught the defenders of Pearl Harbor completely by surprise. It was a Sunday.
1938 - Admiral Ernst King led a carrier-born airstrike from the USS Saratoga successfully against Pearl Harbor in another exercise.
1940 - FDR ordered the fleet transferred from the West Coast to its exposed position in Hawaii and ordered the fleet remain stationed at Pearl Harbor over complaints by its commander Admiral Richardson that there was inadequate protection from air attack and no protection from torpedo attack. Richardson felt so strongly that he twice disobeyed orders to berth his fleet there and he raised the issue personally with FDR in October and he was soon after replaced. His successor, Admiral Kimmel, also brought up the same issues with FDR in June 1941.
7 Oct 1940 - Navy IQ analyst McCollum wrote an 8 point memo on how to force Japan into war with US. Beginning the next day FDR began to put them into effect and all 8 were eventually accomplished.
11 November 1940 - 21 aged British planes destroyed the Italian fleet, including 3 battleships, at their homeport in the harbor of Taranto in Southern Italy by using technically innovative shallow-draft torpedoes.
11 February 1941 - FDR proposed sacrificing 6 cruisers and 2 carriers at Manila to get into war. Navy Chief Stark objected: "I have previously opposed this and you have concurred as to its unwisdom. Particularly do I recall your remark in a previous conference when Mr. Hull suggested (more forces to Manila) and the question arose as to getting them out and your 100% reply, from my standpoint, was that you might not mind losing one or two cruisers, but that you did not want to take a chance on losing 5 or 6." (Charles Beard PRESIDENT ROOSEVELT AND THE COMING OF WAR 1941, p 424)
March 1941 - FDR sold munitions and convoyed them to belligerents in Europe -- both acts of war and both violations of international law -- the Lend-Lease Act.
23 Jun 1941 - Advisor Harold Ickes wrote FDR a memo the day after Germany invaded the Soviet Union, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia." FDR was pleased with Admiral Richmond Turner's report read July 22: "It is generally believed that shutting off the American supply of petroleum will lead promptly to the invasion of Netherland East Indies...it seems certain she would also include military action against the Philippine Islands, which would immediately involve us in a Pacific war." On July 24 FDR told the Volunteer Participation Committee, "If we had cut off the oil off, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war." The next day FDR froze all Japanese assets in US cutting off their main supply of oil and forcing them into war with the US. Intelligence information was withheld from Hawaii from this point forward.
14 August - At the Atlantic Conference, Churchill noted the "astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war." Churchill cabled his cabinet "(FDR) obviously was very determined that they should come in."
18 October - diary entry by Secretary of Interior Harold Ickes: "For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan."BBC Documentary:  Sacrifice at Pearl Harbor
PS. The radar mysteriously was shut down, any reports of a Japanese armada at sea heading to Pearl was squashed, the Hawaiian newspaper was headlined Japanese invasion within the next few days.
  We understand why FDR allwed this, however our armed forces are of a defensive nature, we most certainly could have prepared defensivley and stoped this abomination/ FF, with a defensive move rather than use American sons as sacrifical lambs to ensure the citizenry would react.
In fact I'm convinced had we prepared and done battle at sea we would have stoped them cold, and gained a strategic advantage.
  Saving lives of the LIL people is not of their top ten list of motivation, though they (POLS) will shout this from the rooftops and from  behind their podiums.

 

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/2WWcarlson.htm
Evans Carlson, the son of a church minister, was born in the United States in 1896. He ran away from home at the age of 14 and two years later lied about his age in order to join the United States Army.

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After another tour of duty in China (1933-35) Carlson was appointed commander of the Marine Guard at the presidential home at Warm Springs. Carlson got to know Franklin D. Roosevelt and when he was sent to China again in 1937 he was asked to send weekly reports to the president.

Carlson witnessed the Japanese capture of Shanghai before working as an observer with the Chinese Army. Carlson noticed that while the Chinese conventional forces performed badly the small Red Army was much more successful against the Japanese invaders. For the next two years Carlson spent a considerable amount of time with the Red Army. He was impressed with the effectiveness of their guerrilla warfare tactics and the way they developed good relationships with the local people.

After finishing his period as an observer Carlson upset his superiors by giving a newspaper interview where he praised the Red Army for forming co-operatives and accusing the US government of helping Japan's war effort by supplying them with oil and other raw materials.

When he was officially censored for the interview he resigned from the US Marines.

Carlson returned to the United States where he wrote two books on the subject, The Chinese Army and Twin Stars of China. He also joined the committee established by Henry L. Stimson to campaign for an embargo against Japan.

In 1940 Carlson made a private visit to China in order the investigate the progress of the cooperatives set up by the Red Army. While there he became convinced that Japan would attack the United States.

He visited General Douglas MacArthur and urged him to establish guerilla units in case the Japanese Army invaded the Philippines. However, MacArthur ignored his advice.

On his return to the United States Carlson rejoined the US Marines. After Japan attacked at Pearl Harbor Carlson and Merritt Edson advocated the use of guerrilla warfare against the Japanese Army in the Pacific War. Eventually Edson was given command of the 1st Raider Battalion whereas Carlson got the 2nd Raider Battalion.

Over 7,000 applied to join the 2nd Raider Battalion but only 1,000 were accepted. Each candidate was interviewed about the political significance of the war. He later said he favoured men with initiative, adaptability and held democratic views. James Roosevelt, the son of Franklin D. Roosevelt, became Carlson's assistant.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035958/
'Gung Ho!': The Story of Carlson's Makin Island Raiders (1943)
The true story of Carlson's Raiders and their World War II attack on Makin Island.



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines_Campaign_(1941%E2%80%9342)

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Far East Air Force controversy[edit]

After news reached the Philippines that an attack on Pearl Harbor was in progress at around 03:00 am local time on 8 December 1941,[23] FEAF interceptors had already conducted an air search for incoming aircraft reported shortly after midnight, but these had been Japanese scout planes reporting weather conditions.[24][25]

At 05:00 am FEAF commander Gen. Brereton reported to USAFFE headquarters where he attempted to see MacArthur without success.

He recommended to MacArthur's chief of staff, Brig. Gen. Richard Sutherland, that FEAF launch bombing missions against Formosa in accordance with Rainbow 5 war plan directives from which an attack was likely to come.

Gen. Breteron was further made aware of an attack against the USS William B. Preston at Davao Bay.[26] Authorization was withheld, but shortly afterward, in response to a telegram from General George C. Marshall instructing MacArthur to implement Rainbow 5, Brereton was ordered to have a strike in readiness for later approval.[25][27]

Through a series of disputed discussions and decisions, authorization for the first raid was not approved until 10:15 am local time for an attack just before sunset, with a follow-up raid at dawn the next day.

In the meantime, Japanese plans to attack Clark and Iba Fields using land-based naval bombers and Zero fighters were delayed six hours by fog at its Formosa bases, so that only a small scale Army mission attacked targets in the northern tip of Luzon.

At 08:00 am, Brereton received a telephone call from Gen. Henry H. Arnold warning him not to allow his aircraft to be attacked while still on the ground.

 FEAF launched three squadron-sized fighter patrols and all of its serviceable bombers on Luzon between 08:00 and 08:30 am as a precautionary move.[28] After MacArthur gave Brereton the authorization he sought at 10:15 am, the bombers were ordered to land and prepare for the afternoon raid on Formosa. All three pursuit squadrons began to run short on fuel and broke off their patrols at the same time.

The 20th Pursuit Squadron's Curtiss P-40B interceptors patrolled the area while the bombers landed at Clark Field between 10:30 and 10:45, then landed and dispersed to their revetments for servicing.[25] The 17th Pursuit Squadron, based at Nichols Field, also landed at Clark and had its aircraft refueled while its pilots ate lunch, then put its pilots on alert shortly after 11:00.[29]

All but two of the Clark Field B-17s were on the ground.[30]

At 11:27 am and 11:29 am, the radar post at Iba Field detected two incoming raids while the closest was still 130 miles out. It alerted FEAF headquarters and the command post at Clark Field, a warning that reached only the pursuit group commander, Major Orrin L. Grover, who apparently became confused by multiple and conflicting reports.[25][27]

The 3rd Pursuit Squadron took off from Iba at 11:45 with instructions to intercept the western force, which was thought to have Manila as its target, but dust problems during its takeoff resulted in the fragmentation of its flights. Two flights of the 21st PS at Nichols Field, six P-40Es, took off at 11:45, led by 1st Lt. William Dyess. They started for Clark but were diverted to Manila Bay as a second line of defense if the 3rd PS failed to intercept its force. The 21st's third flight, taking off five minutes later, headed toward Clark, although engine problems with its brand-new P-40Es reduced its numbers by two. The 17th Pursuit Squadron took off at 12:15 pm from Clark, ordered to patrol Bataan and Manila Bay, while the 34th PS at Del Carmen never received its orders to protect Clark Field and did not launch.[31]

The 20th PS, dispersed at Clark, was ready to take off but did not receive orders from group headquarters. Instead a line chief saw the incoming formation of Japanese bombers and the section commander, 1st Lt. Joseph H. Moore, ordered the scramble himself.

Even though tracked by radar and with three U.S. pursuit squadrons in the air, when Japanese bombers of the 11th Kōkūkantai attacked Clark Field at 12:40 pm,[32] they achieved tactical surprise. Two squadrons of B-17s were dispersed on the ground. Most of the P-40s of the 20th PS were preparing to taxi and were struck by the first wave of 27 Japanese twin-engine "Nell" bombers; only four of the 20th PS P-40Bs managed to take off as the bombs were falling.

A second bomber attack (26 "Betty" bombers) followed closely, then escorting Zero fighters strafed the field for 30 minutes, destroying 12 of the 17 American heavy bombers present and seriously damaging three others.[33]

A near-simultaneous attack on the auxiliary field at Iba to the northwest by 54 "Betty" bombers was also successful: all but four of the 3rd Pursuit Squadron's P-40s, short on fuel and caught in their landing pattern, were destroyed in combat or from lack of fuel.[34] Twelve P-40s from the 20th (four), 21st (two), and 3rd (six) Squadrons attacked the strafers but with little success, losing at least four of their own.

The Far East Air Force lost fully half its planes in the 45-minute attack, and was all but destroyed over the next few days, including a number of the surviving B-17s lost to takeoff crashes of other planes.[25] The 24th Pursuit Group flew its last interception on 10 December, losing 11 of the 40 or so P-40s it sent up, and the surviving P-35s of the 34th PS were destroyed on the ground at Del Carmen.[35] That night FEAF combat strength had been reduced to 12 operable B-17s, 22 P-40s, and 8 P-35s.[36] Clark Field was abandoned as a bomber field on 11 December after being used as a staging base for a handful of B-17 missions.[37]

Between 17 December and 20, the 14 surviving B-17s were withdrawn to Australia. Every other aircraft of the FEAF was destroyed or captured.[38]

No formal investigation took place regarding this failure as occurred in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor.

After the war, Brereton and Sutherland in effect blamed each other for FEAF being surprised on the ground, and MacArthur released a statement claiming that he had no knowledge of any recommendation to attack Formosa with B-17s.[25]

Walter D. Edmunds summarized the disaster as: "in the Philippines the personnel of our armed forces almost without exception failed to assess accurately the weight, speed, and efficiency of the Japanese Air Force." He quoted Maj. Gen. Emmitt O'Donnell, then a major in charge of the B-17s sent to Mindanao, as concluding that the first day was a "disorganized business" and that no one was "really at fault" because no one was "geared for war

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17_Flying_Fortress
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A total of 155 B-17s of all variants were delivered between 11 January 1937 and 30 November 1941



http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=16056

140 - Fireside Chat.
December 9, 1941


The sudden criminal attacks perpetrated by the Japanese in the Pacific provide the climax of a decade of international immorality.

Powerful and resourceful gangsters have banded together to make war upon the whole human race. Their challenge has now been flung at the United States of America. The Japanese have treacherously violated the long-standing peace between us. Many American soldiers and sailors have been killed by enemy action. American ships have been sunk; American airplanes have been destroyed.

The Congress and the people of the United States have accepted that challenge.

Together with other free peoples, we are now fighting to maintain our right to live among our world neighbors in freedom and in common decency, without fear of assault.

I have prepared the full record of our past relations with Japan, and it will be submitted to the Congress. It begins with the visit of Commodore Perry to Japan 88 years ago. It ends with the visit of two Japanese emissaries to the Secretary of State last Sunday, an hour after Japanese forces had loosed their bombs and machine guns against our flag, our forces, and our citizens.

I can say with utmost confidence that no Americans, today or a thousand years hence, need feel anything but pride in our patience and in our efforts through all the years toward achieving a peace in the Pacific which would be fair and honorable to every Nation, large or small. And no honest person, today or a thousand years hence, will be able to suppress a sense of indignation and horror at the treachery committed by the military dictators of Japan, under the very shadow of the flag of peace borne by their special envoys in our midst.

The course that Japan has followed for the past ten years in Asia has paralleled the course of Hitler and Mussolini in Europe and in Africa. Today, it has become far more than a parallel. It is actual collaboration so well calculated that all the continents of the world, and all the oceans, are now considered by the Axis strategists as one gigantic battlefield.

In 1931, ten years ago, Japan invaded Manchukuo—without warning.

In 1935, Italy invaded Ethiopia—without warning.

In 1938, Hitler occupied Austria —without warning.

In 1939, Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia- without warning.

Later in 1939, Hitler invaded Poland- without warning.

In 1940, Hitler invaded Norway, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Luxembourg- without warning.

In 1940, Italy attacked France and later Greece—without warning.

And this year, in 1941, the Axis powers attacked Yugoslavia and Greece and they dominated the Balkans—without warning. In 1941, also, Hitler invaded Russia—without warning.

And now Japan has attacked Malaya and Thailand—and the United States—without warning.

It is all of one pattern.

We are now in this war. We are all in it- all the way. Every single man, woman, and child is a partner in the most tremendous undertaking of our American history. We must share together the bad news and the good news, the defeats and the victories—the changing fortunes of war.

So far, the news has been all bad. We have suffered a serious set-back in Hawaii. Our forces in the Philippines, which include the brave people of that Commonwealth, are taking punishment, but are defending themselves vigorously. The reports from Guam and Wake and Midway islands are still confused, but we must be prepared for the announcement that all these three outposts have been seized.
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http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/japan-oil.htm


The Way to Pearl Harbor: US vs Japan

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Japan is extremely poor in natural resources, and the situation was not much different in the pre-World War II era. Consequently, Japan had to depend on trade heavily to function as a modern nation, and it was a serious and vital issue for Japan to keep all crucial strategic resources, particularly oil, coming in to it from the outside world. If the route for Japan to obtain these materials was cut off, and therefore, the strategic resources were stopped from coming to Japan, there would basically be only two choices left for Japan. One is to lower the level of function as a modern nation to where it could meet the level of domestic productivity for natural resources. And two is to go out actively and find a way to gain what it needed to maintain its function as a modern nation. The conflict and negotiation between the US and Japan in the pre-World War II period illustrates a good example of the case and explains why Japan went to war against the US. The US, the biggest oil supplier for Japan at the time, imposed the oil embargo on Japan in July, 1941, and it helped the Japanese to make up their minds to fight against the Americans. Thus, in a way, the attack on Pearl Harbor was not a surprise one at all; it was a necessary result of the conflict and negotiation.

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Japan had sent its troops in China and the US demanded Japan to withdraw from there. To back up the demand and to make Japan comply with it, the US even imposed the oil embargo on Japan. The attitude that the US took during a series of negotiations toward Japan was very formidable and little room for compromise was given, and as a result, the Japanese leaders had to make a very difficult decision about the nation’s course of action, whether they should accept the US demand or refused to do so and prepare for the war against the US. Needless to say, they chose to fight and faced a disastrous result later.

But why was China was so important to Japan? And what did the oil embargo mean to Japan? The following would try to explain these whys.

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China
 As mentioned above, one of the demands that the US made to Japan was the withdrawal from China, and Japan was totally unwilling to comply with the demand. But why was China so important to Japan? There were mainly two reasons: face-saving and national security.


(1) Face-saving
 The withdrawal from China was absolutely impossible to accept for Japan because Japan had already made huge sacrifices in China, in terms of financial costs, military costs, and human costs, to maintain its presence. Furthermore, Japan’s foreign policy was carried out in the name of Emperor, or Tennoh, who was perceived as a son of heaven by the general public in Japan. Therefore, once the policy, which was regarded as the will of heaven, was determined it was not to be taken back. If Japan did comply with the demand of the U.S. and withdrew from China, many people thought that the wealth of the empire would have been reduced by far, and the prestige of the empire would have been severely damaged. Then, the Japanese leaders did not think that they knew any way to account such withdrawal to the people of Japan, and believed that, even if they could manage to accept the demand from the US, the general public would not. The Japanese leaders were even afraid that the compliance with the demand might cause a military coup de’ tat or riots among people and that would overthrow not only the government but also the imperial system, which meant that even life of Emperor might possibly be in danger. Thus, the withdrawal from China was, in any means, unacceptable for Japan [14].

(2) National security
 The withdrawal from China was also unacceptable for the security reason. When Hull demanded Japan to withdraw from China, the Japanese leaders believed that Hull meant the withdrawal from Manchuria as well. Manchuria’s strategic location was very important to Japan’s national security. Without Manchuria it would have made it very difficult to defend Korea, which held the biggest strategic importance for Japan’s national security. Ever since Japan opened the door, the leaders of Japan had always been afraid of Korea being controlled by the third party, such as China and Russia. After all, both the Sino-Japanese War (1894) and the Russo-Japanese War (1904) were fought over the control of Korea. To secure Korea Japan needed Manchuria, and thus, the withdrawal from China that was likely to demand the withdrawal from Manchuria as well was not acceptable at all.

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Oil
 The US imposed the oil embargo on Japan on August 1st, 1941 to make Japan comply with its demands, and the embargo was a fatal shot to Japan’s foreign policy makers, which drove them into the corner. The table below shows main exporters and importers of oil in 1935
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Japan's Dependence on Oil Import in 1940 [t-3]
Country From Amount
Percentage

United States btw 3,820 - 4,366 kt
80 pct

Dutch East India (Indonesia) btw 621 - 709 kt
13 pct


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Bit O' Lace - 709th Bomb Squadron B-17 Film

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This series consists of moving images shot by pilot John H. Bauman in flight on the B-17G "A Bit O' Lace," K identifier, bomber of the 709th Bomb Squadron of the 447th Bombardment Group, 8th Air Force, late in World War II. Included are bombing missions flown over Germany, American pilots in flight training at Lodwick Aeronautical School in Lakeland, Florida, and views of the B-17G and other aircraft at the base in Rattlesden, England.
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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niiiHjIQu8s
Adolf Hitler's Declaration of War Against the USA - Dec. 11, 1941

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Germany's Declaration of War Against the United States
Hitler's Reichstag Speech of December 11, 1941


It has often been said that Hitler's greatest mistakes were his decisions to go to war against the Soviet Union and the United States . Whatever the truth may be, it's worth noting his own detailed justifications for these fateful decisions.

On Thursday afternoon, December 11, 1941, four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hitler spoke to the Reichstag in Berlin. The 88-minute address, which he had written himself, was broadcast to the nation. In it the German leader recounted the reasons for the outbreak of war in September 1939, explained why he decided to strike against the Soviet Union in June 1941, reviewed the dramatic course of the war thus far, and dealt at length with President Franklin Roosevelt's hostile policies toward Germany.

Hitler detailed the increasingly belligerent actions of Roosevelt's government, and then dramatically announced that Germany was now joining Japan in war against the United States. The day after it was delivered, an inaccurate and misleading translation of portions of the address appeared in The New York Times. Although this historic address should be of particular interest to Americans, a complete text has apparently never before been made available in English.
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It is a fact that the two historical conflicts between Germany and the United States were stimulated by two Americans, that is, by Presidents Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt, although each was inspired by the same forces. History itself has rendered its verdict on Wilson. His name will always be associated with the most base betrayal in history of a pledge [notably, Wilson's "14 points"]. The result was the ruin of national life, not only in the so-called vanquished countries, but among the victors as well. Because of this broken pledge, which alone made possible the imposed Treaty of Versailles [1919], countries were torn apart, cultures were destroyed and the economic life of all was ruined. Today we know that a group of self-serving financiers stood behind Wilson. They used this paralytic professor to lead America into a war from which they hoped to profit. The German nation once believed this man, and had to pay for this trust with political and economic ruin.

After such a bitter experience, why is there now another American president who is determined to incite wars and, above all, to stir up hostility against Germany to the point of war? National Socialism came to power in Germany in the same year [1933] that Roosevelt came to power in the United States. At this point it is important to examine the factors behind the current developments.

First of all, the personal side of things: I understand very well that there is a world of difference between my own outlook on life and attitude, and that of President Roosevelt. Roosevelt came from an extremely wealthy family. By birth and origin he belonged to that class of people that is privileged in a democracy and assured of advancement. I myself was only the child of a small and poor family, and I had to struggle through life by work and effort in spite of immense hardships. As a member of the privileged class, Roosevelt experienced the [First] World War in a position under Wilson's shadow [as assistant secretary of the Navy]. As a result, he only knew the agreeable consequences of a conflict between nations from which some profited while others lost their lives. During this same period, I lived very differently. I was not one of those who made history or profits, but rather one of those who carried out orders. As an ordinary soldier during those four years, I tried to do my duty in the face of the enemy. Of course, I returned from the war just as poor as when I entered in the fall of 1914. I thus shared my fate with millions of others, while Mr. Roosevelt shared his with the so-called upper ten thousand.

After the war, while Mr. Roosevelt tested his skills in financial speculation in order to profit personally from the inflation, that is, from the misfortune of others, I still lay in a military hospital along with many hundreds of thousands of others. Experienced in business, financially secure and enjoying the patronage of his class, Roosevelt then finally chose a career in politics. During this same period, I struggled as a nameless and unknown man for the rebirth of my nation, which was the victim of the greatest injustice in its entire history.

Two different paths in life! Franklin Roosevelt took power in the United States as the candidate of a thoroughly capitalistic party, which helps those who serve it. When I became the Chancellor of the German Reich, I was the leader of a popular national movement, which I had created myself. The powers that supported Mr. Roosevelt were the same powers I fought against, out of concern for the fate of my people, and out of deepest inner conviction. The "brain trust" that served the new American president was made up of members of the same national group that we fought against in Germany as a parasitical expression of humanity, and which we began to remove from public life.

And yet, we also had something in common: Franklin Roosevelt took control of a country with an economy that had been ruined as a result of democratic influences, and I assumed the leadership of a Reich that was also on the edge of complete ruin, thanks to democracy. There were 13 million unemployed in the United States, while Germany had seven million unemployed and another seven million part-time workers. In both countries, public finances were in chaos, and it seemed that the spreading economic depression could not be stopped.

From then on, things developed in the United States and in the German Reich in such a way that future generations will have no difficulty in making a definitive evaluation of the two different socio-political theories. Whereas the German Reich experienced an enormous improvement in social, economic, cultural and artistic life in just a few years under National Socialist leadership, President Roosevelt was not able to bring about even limited improvements in his own country. This task should have been much easier in the United States, with barely 15 people per square kilometer, as compared to 140 in Germany.

If economic prosperity is not possible in that country, it must be the result of either a lack of will by the ruling leadership or the complete incompetence of the men in charge.

In just five years, the economic problems were solved in Germany and unemployment was eliminated. During this same period, President Roosevelt enormously increased his country's national debt, devalued the dollar, further disrupted the economy and maintained the same number of unemployed.

But this is hardly remarkable when one realizes that the intellects appointed by this man, or more accurately, who appointed him, are members of that same group who, as Jews, are interested only in disruption and never in order. While we in National Socialist Germany took measures against financial speculation, it flourished tremendously under Roosevelt. The New Deal legislation of this man was spurious, and consequently the greatest error ever experienced by anyone. If his economic policies had continued indefinitely during peace time, there is no doubt that sooner or later they would have brought down this president, in spite of all his dialectical cleverness. In a European country his career would certainly have ended in front of a national court for recklessly squandering the nation's wealth. And he would hardly have avoided a prison sentence by a civil court for criminally incompetent business management.

Many respected Americans also shared this view. A threatening opposition was growing all around this man, which led him to think that he could save himself only by diverting public attention from his domestic policies to foreign affairs. In this regard it is interesting to study the reports of Polish Ambassador Potocki from Washington, which repeatedly point out that Roosevelt was fully aware of the danger that his entire economic house of cards could collapse, and that therefore he absolutely had to divert attention to foreign policy.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/december/11/newsid_3532000/3532401.stm
Dec 11, 1941: Germany and Italy declare war on US

 Germany and Italy have announced they are at war with the United States. America immediately responded by declaring war on the two Axis powers.
Three days ago, US President Franklin Roosevelt announced America was at war with Japan, the third Axis power, following the surprise attack on its naval base at Pearl Harbor.

Today Italian dictator, Benito Mussolini, made his declaration first - from the balcony over the Piazza Venezia in Rome - pledging the "powers of the pact of steel" were determined to win.

Then Adolf Hitler made his announcement at the Reichstag in Berlin saying he had tried to avoid direct conflict with the US but, under the Tripartite Agreement signed on 27 September 1940, Germany was obliged to join with Italy to defend its ally Japan.

"After victory has been achieved," he said. "Germany, Italy and Japan will continue in closest co-operation with a view to establishing a new and just order."

He accused President Roosevelt of waging a campaign against Germany since 1937, blamed him for the outbreak of war in 1939 and said he was planning to invade Germany in 1943.

Over in Washington, President Roosevelt told Congress the free world must act quickly and decisively against the enemy.

"The forces endeavouring to enslave the entire world now are moving towards this hemisphere.

"Delay invites danger. Rapid and united efforts by all peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will ensure world victory for the forces of justice and righteousness over the forces of savagery and barbarism."

Resolutions against Germany and Italy were passed without debate. The only person who did not vote for war was pacifist Congresswoman Jeannette Rankin who had also voted against war with Japan.

In the Senate the vote was unanimous.

Both Democrats and Republicans have agreed to "adjourn politics" for the duration of the war and focus on national defence.

They have passed a new law which allows US servicemen to fight anywhere in the world.

Following the shock of Pearl Harbor, American citizens are flocking to volunteer for the US Navy and Marine Corps which do not take conscripts.

The US Army has already grown tenfold since the draft was introduced last year.
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Re: Video - 1945 Life Magazine: FDR Knew Japan Would Attack Pearl Harbor
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December 12th 1941: Adolf Hitler announces extermination of the Jews

On this day in 1941, at a Reich Chancellery meeting, German Chancellor Adolf Hitler declared the immiment destruction of the Jewish race. Hitler and all of the highest ranking officials of the Nazi Party were present. World War Two had recently escalated, with the entrance of the United States and Japan on 7th December and Germany’s declaration of war on the US on 11th December. The meeting took place in private rooms rather than Hitler’s office and thus the only records of it are in the diaries of Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank.

Joseph Goebbels noted Hitler’s words in his records:
"Regarding the Jewish question, the Führer is determined to clear the table. He warned the Jews that if they were to cause another world war, it would lead to their own destruction. Those were not empty words. Now the world war has come. The destruction of the Jews must be its necessary consequence. This question is to be regarded without sentimentalism. We are not here to have sympathy with the Jews, but rather with our German people. If the German people have sacrificed 160,000 dead in the eastern campaign, so the authors of this bloody conflict will have to pay for it with their lives.”

The much more well-known Wannsee Conference in January 1942 marked the next step in the Nazis’ plans to exterminate the Jews, where senior bureaucrats worked on the ‘Final Solution to the Jewish problem’. 

The Reich Chancellery meeting marked a turning point in the Nazi regime’s attitude towards the Jewish people. It was part of a shift from propaganda, intimidation and attacks to outright and planned extermination.


http://www.holocaust-history.org/december-12-1941/

The historian Christian Gerlach proves that on this day Hitler made the fundamental decision to annihilate all European Jews.

Historians have long searched for the order to annihilate the Jews or - insofar as they excluded a Fuehrer-order - for other central documents.

The Wannsee Protocol was rejected. Here second-level men were to be found, here they spoke not of an order, but rather an authorization of Hitler. Characteristically, a pre-arranged agreement applied to this meeting, ordered from above. At the least, documentary criteria had to be found that permitted plausible inferences as to place, point in time and personal construction of such a conversation. The research led nowhere.

Now however a 34-year old Berlin historian [translator's note: Geschichtswissenschaft is science of history] has precisely answered the old question. And to say it right up front: the proof is ingenious. He didn't publish it in one of the eternally boring academic tomes and in so doing made the right choice. The work appeared in Volume 18 (6th year, November 1997) of the unorthodox, independent magazine "Werkstatt Geschichte." Written with practically mathematical precision, the essay covers 37 pages, including 223 source notes.

The title is: "The Wannsee Conference, the fate of German Jews and Hitler's fundamental political decision to murder all European Jews." The author's name is Christian Gerlach. He has found proof of an internal speech of Hitler's from 1941 that no other researcher had even mentioned before.
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Now Gerlach has put a provisional end to the argument of the schools. He does not trouble himself with the invective of the (here as well as there) deeply ordered footnote fronts. He works strictly empirically. The point of departure for his research is his dissertation completed under Wolfgang Scheffler: "The German Economic and Annihilation Policy in White Russia," and his participation in the ground breaking - by a free association of young historians - annotated edition of the agendas and notebooks of Heinrich Himmler from the years 1941 and 1942. Important parts of these documents were first known and available in the Moscow archives in 1991.

Christian Gerlach claims and proves that Adolf Hitler made known his fundamental decision for the complete annihilation of the European Jews on December 12, 1941. On this day, Hitler spoke in his private rooms of the Reich Chancellery to around 50 Reich and Gau leaders, the supreme leadership of the NSDAP [Nazi party]. Almost all occupied offices of the State as well. The meeting was announced on the 9th by telegram for the 10th, that day postponed until the 11th and then again postponed to the following day. Heydrich had sent his invitations to the Wannsee Conference on November 29 and then set the date of the conference for December 9. On December 8, he postponed it for an unspecified time. Only a month later, the new invitations went out - for January 20, 1942.

Even the parallelism of the events gives Hitler's speech a certain weight. But what weight, when the first invitation to the Wannsee Conference had been already sent 14 days previously? The postponement followed, one could assert, the political confusion that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor - not desired by the German leadership - had caused. But Gerlach substantiates with convincing details that the originally planned Wannsee Conference had had an entirely different theme as that which actually took place six weeks later. It had only been anticipated to discuss problems that occurred with the deportations of the (Greater) German Jews. These had begun on October 15, under the pressure of the Lord Mayors, Gauleiters and government presidents, following an expressed approval of Hitler, that according to Himmler's agenda dates to September 17. The destination train stations were Lodz, Riga, Kaunas, Minsk. The difficulties and tension were enormous: they involved the precise differentiation between the so-called full and half Jews, protests from the population for the retention of those who worked in the armaments industry, questions of property, the tempo and priorities of the "resettlements." Only after Hitler's speech of December 12 was Heydrich able, as Gerlach shows, to broaden the theme and fix a conference on the "Final Solution of the European Jewish question."

Hitler spoke to his most trusted comrades on the occasion of the most vexatious crisis of his leadership. Aachen had suffered very heavy bombing attacks on December 8, Cologne the night before, the Luftwaffe had lost 2,093 planes on the eastern front since June 22, the tank motors were useless and frozen, the locomotives built in the western European style were stuck in the crudely built eastern railway gauge, 160,000 soldiers of the eastern Army had fallen, thousands froze in ditches and military hospitals.

The troops were "finished," reported the generals. The counter offensive of the Red Army had begun. In the Reich, rumours spread about further reductions in the rations for meat and fat.

On the other side of the world, Japan had not, as the German treaty partner had suggested and hoped, made war on the eastern Soviet Union, but had attacked the USA. Germany had to react with a declaration of war on the USA on December 11. For Hitler, the world war had now begun. It was all or nothing. At this time, Hitler assumed the supreme military command ("the little bit of leading the operations"), ordered draconian harshness in the occupied European countries ("death penalty fundamentally appropriate"), and to the soldiers of the east front he only had to offer the call for "fanatical resistance."
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Harry Dexter White's Key Role in Triggering Pearl Harbor / Day of Infamy
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 09:28:24 PM »

Harry Dexter White testifying before the House Committee on Un-American Activities on August 13, 1948


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CFR author Benn Steil admits Soviet agent Harry Dexter White played a key role in bringing about the “Day of Infamy.”
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The Communist Agent Who Caused Pearl Harbor — and Global Economic Havoc


The New American
11 December 2013

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Harry Dexter White, a top advisor to Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau, Jr. and President Franklin Roosevelt, is remembered chiefly as the architect of the Bretton Woods Conference that created the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank, but he also played a key role in bringing about the “Day of Infamy,” by doing everything within his power to scuttle the peace efforts of the forces within the Japanese government that were striving to avoid war with the United States. White authored an ultimatum adopted as official policy by FDR that upped the ante of belligerent acts Roosevelt was directing at Japan.
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Benn Steil’s book, The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order, published earlier this year by the CFR and Princeton University Press, makes some important concessions concerning White’s NKVD operations. As the book’s title suggests, the main focus of Steil’s attention deals with White’s central role in designing and implementing the plan to establish the International Monetary Fund and World Bank and the post-war economic order.

However, in Chapter Two of his book, Steil discusses White’s crucial role as a Soviet agent in the decisions and events that brought about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/17147-the-communist-agent-who-caused-pearl-harbor-and-global-economic-havoc




The Battle of Bretton Woods: John Maynard Keynes, Harry Dexter White, and the Making of a New World Order
Council on Foreign Relations Books, Princeton University Press
- Benn Steil, 2013


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Re: Harry Dexter White's Key Role in Triggering Pearl Harbor / Day of Infamy
« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2013, 03:16:30 PM »
Also the Sorge spy ring -   Also Currie was a spy high up in the FDR admin ... their role was to preclude or at least warn of an Japanese attack on the USSR  and to induce the Japanese to attack the USA via dis-info and USA policies toward japan ( ie the oil/steel embargo) - mission accomplished) - this also goes towards the support of Mao later on - Also there were also British "communist" agents  involved - which led to the Soviet getting the bomb early on in the post war period

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The role of Soviet agents in the Pearl Harbor attack

Part 6--Stalin's secret agents

April 8, 2013
Wes Vernon, RenewAmerica analyst

 Amongst the myriad twists and turns and subplots of World War II was the amazing efficiency with which Soviet agents in the U.S.O., Japan, and elsewhere around the globe coordinated to steer the imperial Japanese government away from an attack on the Soviet Union – a multi-year effort that resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941.

In their blockbuster book Stalin's Secret Agents, M. Stanton Evans and Herbert Romerstein trace the plot from the Sorge spy ring in Tokyo to the Soviet assets and agents in key posts in the U.S..

The background

 Bear in mind, as we have noted before: Yes, "spying" (in the sense of pilfering documents and/or passing secrets to the enemy) did occur with regard to pro-Soviet presence in the U.S. government and other venues throughout American society.

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Enter "Stalin's Secret Agents" (the American branch)

 From Soviet asset Lauchlin Currie at the White House to volunteer Soviet agent Harry Dexter White at Treasury to vehemently pro-Red Owen Lattimore of the Institute of Pacific Relations (all with the alacrity and unison symbolic of a transmission belt) chimed in to warn that any sign of America's willingness to sit down and just talk with the Japanese would smack of a "betrayal" of Nationalist Chinese leader Chiang Kai-shek.

 ..."Irreparable damage to the good will we've built up in China," according to Currie.

 ..."A Far Eastern Munich," protested White.

..."I have never seen [Chiang] really agitated before [learning of the overture to the Japanese]," said Owen Lattimore, a U.S advisor to Chiang. That was Lattimore's version of Chiang's reaction. No independent verification from the generalissimo himself. (Worthy of note was that a Democrat-led Senate subcommittee would later define Lattimore as "a conscious, articulate instrument of the Soviet conspiracy."

 Though crocodile tears from these Soviet apologists were voluminous indeed, none of this same group of people shed similar tears for Chiang Kai-shek when (thanks also to "Stalin's secret agents") the generalissimo was overthrown by the Communists, which left the world to this day with a Chinese regime whose founder, "Chairman Mao," was the bloodiest mass murderer in history, and whose successors hold in their hands a good chunk of U.S. indebtedness. China's military buildup someday could lead its leaders to threaten the Western world with nuclear blackmail.

KGB gloats

 Later, Soviet KGB operative Vitaly Pavlov would disclose he had traveled to Washington months before the lead-up to Pearl Harbor in order to brief Harry Dexter White on points to emphasize when speaking against a U.S.-Japan rapprochement. His words were strikingly similar to those used by the U.S. in its impossible demands issued to the Japanese just days before the bombs dropped on the huge U.S. fleet docked at the Hawaii facility.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/4741-pearl-harbor-motives-behind-the-betrayal
Thursday, 04 December 2008 18:00  
Pearl Harbor: Motives Behind the Betrayal
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A Plausible Explanation

 There is a fourth explanation for Pearl Harbor, one more consistent with the facts: The role of pro-Communist and globalist influences within the FDR administration. As former Navy Secretary Frank Knox wrote: "Collectivists of every sort support Mr. Roosevelt. That is natural. For at the root of his philosophy lies the view, shared alike by Communists and Fascists, that individual liberty under democracy as hitherto practiced in this country is no longer desirable or feasible."

 The president's closest advisor was Harry Hopkins, who, uniquely, lived inside the White House. The recently released Venona materials (Soviet messages decrypted by the U.S. during the 1940s) reveal that Hopkins was working for Soviet Intelligence. In his book KGB: The Inside Story, former KGB Colonel Oleg Gordievsky identified Hopkins as "an agent of major influence." This would not shock those familiar with From Major Jordan's Diaries, a 1952 book published by George Racey Jordan. Jordan, a lend-lease expediter, along with numerous other witnesses, testified that Hopkins, who oversaw Russia's lend-lease shipments, had given the Soviets nuclear materials as well as purloined blueprints for the atomic bomb.

 The State Department's Alger Hiss, long-since exposed as a Soviet spy, was FDR's right-hand man at the Yalta Conference, where the president made a stream of concessions to Soviet dictator Stalin.
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Internationalism

 Finally, we cannot underestimate the role of capitalist-veneer globalists who have often worked hand-in-hand with Communists.

America's main voice for globalism has always been the private Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), for decades the chief supplier of top State Department executives.

The well-financed, influential Council was born in 1921 in New York, as a direct response to U.S. refusal to join the League of Nations after World War I. When World War II loomed, Council publications began clamoring for entry into the war — not so much as a means to peace, but to world government.

During World War II, the CFR succeeded in making itself an adjunct of the U.S. government through the secret War and Peace Studies Project. Unknown to the public, the Council, which coined the term "United Nations," formulated the original plans for the UN (which is a framework for world government), the IMF (the foundation for a world issuer of currency), and the Marshall Plan (a would-be cornerstone for a U.S.-European Union).

Although these institutions were officially formalized or introduced at the UN Founding Conference in San Francisco, the Bretton Woods Conference, and George Marshall's famous Harvard speech, all were secret brainchilds of Council study groups. To the liberal Establishment running the CFR, like the Communist agents in the Roosevelt administration, Pearl Harbor may have been viewed as a small price to pay in order to obtain such objectives.*

 This Communist-globalist interpretation will seem radical to many, but is most consistent with the facts. Leaders do not allow their own fleet to be sunk, and thousands of their countrymen to be murdered, out of "nobility." If Roosevelt and Marshall were motivated by nobility, why did they not send a last-minute warning to Hawaii, so our men could have at least been at their guns when the Japanese arrived? If noble, why did Washington continue using Kimmel and Short as scapegoats even after the war was long won? And if it was necessary to provoke the Axis powers to war to stop aggression and brutality, why was it never necessary to provoke Stalin — an equally brutal and aggressive dictator?
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Harry Hopkins-KGB agent No. 19



http://www.smokymountainnews.com/news/item/11176-the-hard-truth-about-the-cold-war
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The hard truth about the Cold War
 Written by  Jeff Minick

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To read Diana West’s well-documented American Betrayal: The Secret Assault on Our Nation’s Character (ISBN 978-0-312-6078-2, 403 pages, $26.99) is to be pummeled by truth.
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Limitations of space for this review require sharing only a few of the issues raised by West. For those who have ever wondered why the United States entered World War II more focused on getting supplies to Russia — a fact which our government largely concealed at the time — rather than to supplying our own troops on Corregidor and other beleaguered outposts in the Pacific, the reason becomes clear: the Roosevelt administration, led by the president’s closest confidant Harry Hopkins, was rife with communists and their fellow travelers desperate to save the Soviet Union. (When asked by his biographer in 1957 about Hopkins, George Marshall, himself a Hopkins protégé, replied with inadvertent honesty: “Hopkins’s job with the president was to represent the Russian interests. My job was to represent the American interests.”)

As West demonstrates, the Soviets dominated our European war strategy, suckered us into a “second front” (What was Africa? What was Italy?), and essentially ended the war as the new master of all of Eastern Europe. With the help of men like Hopkins, the Russians also obtained both the information and the supplies to build their own nuclear bombs. Finally, at war’s end they held as many as 25,000 American servicemen as prisoners, working as slaves in the gulag.

The Soviets got away with all these things in large part through the influence of American agents in our own government. That government, including the administrations of Presidents Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower, knew about this influence, but chose to ignore it because they were either sympathizers or felt that telling the truth to the American people might cost them credibility and elections.

We know now that key government officials were aware of this treachery because we have the names of people who told them the truth: Jones, Muggeridge, Lyons, Utley and Kravchenko, Bentley and Chambers, and scores of other Americans, all of whom came to the government in the wide-eyed, innocent belief that their information would lead to action against communist traitors rather than to their own suppression.
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Re: Harry Dexter White's Key Role in Triggering Pearl Harbor / Day of Infamy
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2013, 03:32:24 PM »

Also the Sorge spy ring -   Also Currie was a spy high up in the FDR admin ...


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http://z4.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Deception/index.php?showtopic=9913

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The History Of Political Correctness or: Why have things gotten so crazy?

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Re: Harry Dexter White's Key Role in Triggering Pearl Harbor / Day of Infamy
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bump for dec 7 1941

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/churchill/wc-sword.html

The Japanese surprise attack on the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, brought America into the war. Churchill was with the President's special envoy, Averell Harriman, and the U.S. Ambassador to Britain, John Gilbert Winant, when he received the news over the telephone from President Roosevelt.

Four days later, Germany declared war on the United States, making U.S. involvement in Europe inevitable. Churchill was eager to have the U.S. fight alongside the British forces in Europe and wasted no time. He undertook a dangerous transatlantic journey on the HMS Duke of York, arriving in America on December 22, in time to spend Christmas at the White House.

On December 26, Churchill made his first historic address to a joint session of Congress to win support for his concept of the war. In public, he seemed to epitomize the “bulldog” fighting spirit. In private, the strain was taking its toll, and that very evening Churchill suffered a mild heart attack



http://www.salon.com/2013/07/13/the_day_fdr_became_a_wartime_president/
The day FDR became a wartime president
Excerpted from Rendezvous With Destiny.

On December 7, Averell Harriman was at Chequers, where the time was five hours ahead of Washington, dining with Winston Churchill., his daughter-in-law Pamela, his aides Commander Thompson and John Martin, Kathleen Harriman, and Gil Winant. The mood in the dignified old house was sober.  The PM appeared tired and preoccupied, holding his head in his hands in silence for long periods.  He feared that the Japanese were poised to attack a British possession in Asia, leaving the British with the “unthinkable” prospect of fighting both Germany and Japan without the armed assistance of the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chequers
Chequers, or Chequers Court, is the country house retreat of the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
 

W. Averell Harriman and Pamela Churchill Harriman with Jacqueline Onassis


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_skullbones11e.htm



The name William Averell Harriman turns up behind world political scenes more frequently than any other member of The Order. Possibly as because Harriman is a remarkably active man. Born in 1891, graduated Yale 1913, Harriman is still newsworthy in the 1980s. In June 1983 Harriman had a private meeting with Yuri Andropov in Moscow and in December 1983, at 92, broke his right leg while swimming in the sea off Barbados. Whatever else we say here about Averell, we must record his truly remarkable energy and longevity.

In official Harriman biographies, however, there is no mention of The Order, Skull & Bones, or the Russell Trust. Like other initiates Harriman has carefully expunged membership from the public record. We have not yet determined if this membership was ever made known to the FBI for use in background checks needed for government positions, or maybe no one ever bothered to ask for a background check on Averell Harriman.
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Of course FDR was in the thick of this and was not stupid ... But he always left the pretense that he was "not informed"...

http://www.nhcommentary.com/John_Gilbert_Winant,%20US%20Ambassasdor%20and%20NH%20Governor.htm


Author Lynne Olson's new book, Citizens of London, The Americans Who Stood With Britain in its Darkest, Finest Hour, due out in February, 2010 looks at the key roles played by three Americans in London during World War II, New Hampshire's ex-Governor John G. Winant, the U.S. Ambassador who replaced the pro-Nazi Joseph P. Kennedy, CBS legend Edward R. Murrow, and Lend-Lease Administrator and former New York Governor Averill Harriman.

http://secondbysecondworldwar.com/?p=3812

Australian Prime Minister Robert Menzies (waving his cap) and newly appointed United States Ambassador to Britain John Winant receive honorary degrees from Bristol University, where Winston Churchill is Chancellor, Bristol, 1941 [Public domain, Australian War Memorial]



http://ospreypearlharbor.com/debate/churchill.php
How much did Churchill know - The UK Perspective

Throughout World War II, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt (Roosevelt, Franklin D.) were portrayed as the closest of friends. In fact, Roosevelt had only met Churchill once briefly before the war and found him extremely rude. His closest advisors dismissed Churchill as a 'drunk and a windbag.' Although they appeared friendly in front of the cameras, Roosevelt never fully trusted Churchill and carefully distanced himself from Churchill's plans.

Roosevelt was right to be wary. From the moment Churchill returned to government with the outbreak of war in September 1939, he planned to defeat Germany by dragging America into the war. While Roosevelt was keen to help Britain, and eventually came to believe that war with Germany was inevitable, he was keen not to be dragged into Churchill's imperial adventure.

Throughout the first year of the war, Churchill bombarded Roosevelt with flattering messages. At the same time, he skillfully manipulated the intelligence he shared with Roosevelt to maneuver America to the brink of war. The Americans had cracked the Japanese diplomatic codes and, in January 1941, they gave the British the Purple and 'Red' decoding machines which allowed the British to read Japanese diplomatic traffic. In return, they expected to be given the German Enigma code machine, so they could break the German codes. The British refused to hand one over. It was not until after the attack on Pearl Harbor that the Americans learned the British had broken the Japanese navy code JN-25.

The British had listening posts in the Far East, with headquarters in Singapore. From 1939, they had been on a war footing and priority was given to intercepting enemy messages and decoding them. Churchill insisted on seeing all JN-25 messages personally.

While America was still at peace, code-breaking was not given priority. Its western-most listening station was in Seattle. Some of the crucial intercepts indicating that the Japanese intended to attack Pearl Harbor were not decoded until after 1945, and due to security considerations, President Roosevelt was often not privy to raw intelligence. There were US liaison officers at the British decoding center in Singapore, but they were not allowed to see raw intelligence and did not even know that the British had broken JN-25. British and Australian intelligence officers sent all their decrypts back to London, assuming that intelligence concerning an attack on Pearl Harbor would be forwarded to the Americans. It was not.

Although Churchill knew of the Japanese intentions, he deliberately misled Roosevelt by exaggerating the British strength in Singapore. He gave the impression that this was where the first attack would come - or, at the very least, that the Japanese would split their fleet and attack British and American forces simultaneously. However, he knew this was not the case. A report had already been drawn up showing that Singapore could not be defended. It would take at least 90 days for a fleet to reach Singapore from Britain, and besides, all available vessels were needed to protect the Atlantic convoys. In his mind, Churchill had already abandoned Singapore. And the Japanese knew it. The defense report had been on its way out to Singapore when it had been captured by a German ship and forwarded to Tokyo. The Japanese knew that it was not necessary to make a first strike against Singapore. It would fall anyway. Churchill knew that too, but he maintained the pretense that the first attack would come there, to the extent of pouring in British and Australian troops who would end up in Japanese prisoner of war camps with hardly a shot being fired. Not even the Australian prime minister was informed of the deception.

On November 19, 1941, the Foreign Ministry in Tokyo sent out a 'Purple' message to its embassies and consulates around the world. It instructed them to listen to Japanese news bulletins. If they ended with a weather report saying 'east wind rain' the attack would be on the US. 'North wind cloudy' would mean an attack on Russia, and 'west wind clear' would herald an attack on the British, with an invasion of Thailand or Malaya, or an attack on the Dutch East Indies. Both the British listening station in Melbourne and the American station in Seattle intercepted this and reported it to London and Washington respectively. While the Japanese diplomatic traffic still talked of negotiation, JN-25 traffic intercepted by the British talked of 'opening hostilities.' From November 21, it was clear that an attack was being set in motion and a large Japanese fleet was being assembled. Meanwhile, Japanese merchant ships were sailing home.

On November 25, the British intelligence headquarters in Singapore decoded a JN-25 message from Admiral Yamamoto (Yamamoto, Isoroku) saying: 'The Task Force will move out of Hitokappu Wan [Tankan Bay in the Kuriles] on the morning of November 26 and advance to the standing-by position on the afternoon of December 4 and speedily complete refueling.'

As negotiations with the Americans were continuing, it was unlikely that the Japanese would have sent a fleet towards Singapore or Manila as they would almost certainly be spotted by merchant shipping in the busy southern waters and the reconnaissance planes which patrolled that area. So Pearl Harbor was the likely objective. It is not clear whether this information was conveyed from Churchill to Roosevelt as those documents are still classified. However, there was a considerable hardening of Roosevelt's negotiating position with the Japanese the following day.

On 2 December, the Singapore station decoded a message from Yamamoto saying: 'Climb Mount Niitaka 1208.' This was the signal for the attack to go ahead and gave the date of the attack - 8 December, in Tokyo, 7 December in Pearl Harbor
. As each day passed and no Japanese fleet was spotted heading for Singapore or the Philippines, intelligence analysts in Singapore became all the more convinced that the attack would be on Pearl Harbor. They informed London, assuming that the warning would be forwarded to the Americans. It wasn't.

On 4 December, Japanese news bulletins ended with a weather forecast predicting 'east wind rain' -the code for an attack on America. This was broadcast three times before anyone in American intelligence realized that the attack was imminent. But without the JN-25 intelligence, it was still not clear where the attack would come.

Staff shortages in the American decoding rooms meant that Churchill knew the contents of Tokyo's final communiqué to Washington before Roosevelt did. He had time to invite the American ambassador John Winant and Roosevelt's special envoy to Britain, Averell Harriman, down to Chequers for dinner. At 9pm, he asked his butler to bring a portable radio into the dining room so they could listen to the evening news. It announced that Pearl Harbor was being attacked.

'No American will think it wrong of me if I proclaim that to have the United States on our side was to be the greatest joy,' Churchill said. 'Once again in our long island history we would emerge+ safe and victorious. Being saturated and satiated with emotion and sensation, I went to bed and slept the sleep of the saved and thankful.'

However, the British intelligence analysts at the Singapore station were puzzled. If the Americans had received all the JN-25 intelligence reports they had sent back to London, how could they had been taken by surprise? If they had received those reports, they would have had more than enough warning to prepare a trap, or perhaps even to prevent the attack on Pearl Harbor occurring at all.
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