Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[netizen_x]

here is a gal to take with you when TSHTF..LOL

Now that's something to nail. Hit the nail on the head again. Don't forgets yas gotta breed to truly survive.

[netizen_x]

as of right now with my current level of preparedness I believe my only option is to stick my head between my ass to see if I can kiss my ass goodbye.

InfoWarrior, get your head out of your ass and look up at the previous post. InfoWarrior Nailer reminds us what we are fighting for, and it ain't your ass.

[HYDROGENPAL]

POCKET SURVIVAL PAK™
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of the Pocket Survival Pak™
 Spark-Lite™ Firestarter - current U.S. military issue, waterproof, useable one-handed, over 1000 sparkings in tests
 4 Spark-Lite™ Tinder-Quik™ - current U.S. military issue, waterproof, wax impregnated cotton tinder in zip-top plastic bag, each burns 2-3 minutes
 Fox-40® Rescue Howler™ Survival Whistle - designed exclusively for this kit, triple frequency, exceeds U.S. Coast Guard and SOLAS specifications, bright yellow with dual mode lanyard hole
 Rescue Flash™ Signal Mirror, 2 x 3 inches (5 x 7.6 cm) Lexan™ polycarbonate with mil-spec style retro-reflective aiming aid for one-handed use, instructions on back, protective cover to prevent scratches while stored in the kit, lanyard hole.
 20mm Survival Compass - liquid damped with groove to accept an improvised lanyard ring
 Duct Tape - 26 inches x 2 inches (66 x 5 cm), rolled around plastic mandrel, repairs, first aid, the ultimate repair and improvisation component, uses limited only by your imagination
 Stainless Steel Utility Wire - 6 ft. of .020 inch (1.83 m x 0.5 mm) mil-spec grade, stronger than brass, won't get brittle in frigid cold, multiple uses
 Braided Nylon Cord - 10 ft. (3 m) 150+ lb. (68+ kg) test, won't unravel, shelter building, repairs and much more
 #69 Black Nylon Thread - 50 ft. (15.2 m), 10.5 lb. (4.8 kg) test, repairs, fishing line, light duty lashing and much more
 Fishing Kit - 4 x medium Fish Hooks, 2 x Split Shot and 1 x Snap Swivel, in a clear plastic vial with cap. 
 Heavy Duty Sewing Needle - will penetrate heavy materials, easy to grip, large eye for easy threading
 4 Safety Pins - repairs, secure items to prevent loss and much more
 Heavy Duty Aluminum Foil - 3 sq. ft. (0.9 sq. m), make container to boil water, reflect fire heat and much more
 #2 Pencil and Waterproof Notepaper - 2 pieces 2.125 x 3.667 inches (5.4 x 9.3 cm), leave notes, memory aid, keep log 
 #22 Scalpel Blade - stainless steel, in sealed foil packaging, more functional than a single-edged razor blade 
 Kit Specific Illustrated Survival Instructions - authored by Doug Ritter, 33 illustrations, on waterproof paper, detailed, easy to understand, practical information
 Contents List - viewable through pouch back so anyone can see what's inside even if kit's owner can no longer assist, annotated, complements Survival Instructions, can be used as tinder
 Fresnel Lens Magnifier - 2 x 3 inches (5 x 7.6 cm), in protective sleeve, read small type in survival instructions if glasses lost, start fire using sun 
 Pocketsize Clear Vinyl Pouch - 4 x 5 inches (10.2 x 12.7 cm), 4 x 3.25 inches (10.2 x 8.3 cm) with top folded over, waterproof zip-top closure, lanyard hole, it really does fit in your pocket.
 Weight: 3.9 oz (111 g) - you will barely know it is there until you need it to save your life
http://www.equipped.org/psp/index.htm

[Look4Truth]

Here's a common sheople response I just got to a thread I created on another forum about emergency preparation:

Don't worry, be happy!

There are a lot of things about today's world that make that kind of collapse extremely unlikely.

I'd just suggest learning to live at or below one's means (spend less than you make) and banking some nestegg funds (yes, the banks are safe).

 

Idiot box brainwashing at it's finest!

[scoffer]

Now that's something to nail. Hit the nail on the head again. Don't forgets yas gotta breed to truly survive.

Euwww, this is becoming such a boy thread.

[Nailer]

build your own weapon.






http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/

"Securing the Future of Firearms Ownership"

Welcome to my Homemade Firearms web site.

The web site devoted to the homemade gun and techniques of improvised firearm manufacture.

In these days of increasingly oppressive anti-gun policies and almost police state politics affecting many other areas of our lives, it has never been more important for the aware citizen to know how a working firearm is constructed.

[Nailer]

Firearm Archive

I am occasionally sent pictures of guns from around the world built by other gunmakers or hobbyist. I will display any pictures sent to me on these pages provided they are of reasonable quality and display a degree on ingenuity.

If you have a gun you wish to send for inclusion on these pages please feel free to send them along.

All guns are shown on the understanding that the builder did not break any pointless, futile, and utterly contemptible gun laws in there country of residence.



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A Full Bore PCP Air Rifle






Made in the 1940s during WWII, this gun doesn't look like a Girandoni, but examination shows that it clearly was built by someone familiar with the Girandoni repeating airgun system. The story is that this gun was built in Austria by a partisan bicycle maker during the Nazi occupation in WWII.

The repeating magazine is spring fed and on the left side of the barrel, for the convenient use of a right handed shooter. The gun was charged with the accompanying bicycle type pump. Smoothbore, as would be expected, but firing an 11.76 mm lead ball (.463" caliber) the very same caliber as the original Girandoni Austrian military repeating air rifles! This would have been a fearsome weapon against sentries, drivers, military leaders, etc. at ranges up to perhaps 100 yards.

To a freedom fighter, the lower discharge sound and the lack of flash or smoke would have been huge values. And it did not need powder, primers, or bullets—only easily cast lead or soft-metal balls! No forensic evidence left on the shooter (not that they had too much forensic evidence in those days).

The builder surely drew his inspiration from an Austrian museum which displayed a Girandoni system airgun. Note that this gun has a spring fed magazine, rather than the gravity fed magazine of the original Girandoni military air rifle. While a gravity feed mechanism might be simpler, and even more dependable, the spring fed magazine has great advantages for the purposes of this gun. It is more suited for operation from a vehicle or firing slot where it would be impractical to tip up the rifle for loading and it allows firing with minimal motion at the firing point—very important to a sniper. Basic specs: A husky 12.2 lbs., 45" overall, glare-free, and almost camo anodized type finish.
http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/firearm-archive.shtml

[Nailer]

The story behind the man who owns the website.



HOW THE BRITISH AUTHORITIES PERSECUTE GUN OWNERS...

For the 'terrible crime' of constructing a machine-gun and writing my book 'Expedient Homemade Firearms — The 9mm Machine Gun' i was sentenced to four years imprisonment — plus one year for possession of six cartridges! Although the judge said he accepted there was no criminal intent in my constructing the weapon, he would make an example of me as a warning to others.

In prison my original low security classification was upgraded two levels (to high security) in the space of a few weeks, and throughout my incarceration I was vilified by the authorities, who of course, "new better" than professionally qualified people. They regarded me as a potential psychopath because of my refusal to toe the line and agree with the official views on gun ownership.

Read on to see what was written about a man whom three psychiatrists viewed as "normal"...



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THE PAROLE BOARD'S REPORT; CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT 1991. PAROLE NOTIFICATION.

"A panel of the parole board considered your application (for parole) on 24th. March 2000 and found you not suitable for early release on licence. The panel gave the following reasons. Mr.Luty was convicted of the manufacture of a firearm and possession of ammunition (6 rounds!)………. there is little evidence to indicate that Mr.Luty has fully addressed the causes and consequences of the offences(1) and although he states he accepts responsibility, still describes the crimes as "an innocent project". Mr.Luty continues to maintain very strong views about UK gun laws to which he is opposed. Report writers identify considerable apprehension over his lack of insight and concern over the wider implications of his offences and his continuing views over gun ownership and use (2)

Given the gravity of the offences and the importance of the outstanding areas of concern, the panel consider the risk of re-offending too high for parole to be granted.




1. Gun control!

2. The citizen is no longer entitled to a point of view if it goes against majority opinion.



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THE PROBATION OFFICER'S REPORT; (DESCRIBED BY A PRISON OFFICER WITH TWENTY YEARS EXPERIENCE WITHIN THE SERVICE AS "ONE OF THE MOST VINDICTIVE AND BIASED REPORTS I HAVE EVER SEEN"……………..

"The prisoner was convicted in Leeds Crown Court on 24th.April 1998 of the manufacture of a prohibited weapon……………he was sentenced to a total of four years imprisonment. Mr.Luty admitted a long term interest in guns and gun making (3) ...At the time of interview he expressed strong views about the stringent gun laws in this country and on issues related to the individual and the state. To an extent he appears to have embraced the views promulgated by much of the "Right to keep and bear arms" lobby in the United States. I understand police seized a number of publications making reference to these views ....Whilst there is no evidence to suggest Mr.Luty has established any contact with militia or other extreme groups in the United States , his apparent sympathy for their views is of ongoing concern (4) ...............of special concern , I understand Mr.Luty's brother attempted to send him an article from the internet by an organization called "Jews for the preservation of firearms ownership" (JPFO) (5). This appears to be yet another "Right to keep and bear arms" group. Since his imprisonment, Mr.Luty's mother has died and I understand his father remains chronically ill............The prisoner's attitude to the role of the state and the possession and use of firearms gives rise to serious concern. This ,taken together with...the anti-authority stance exhibited during this sentence, adds to the concern that he could represent a very great danger to members of the public in future. The fact that his mother has died since imprisonment and that he appears to have developed an embittered view of his treatment in prison may reinforce his anti-social and anti- authority attitudes, making the likelihood of grave crimes being committed in the future even more likely. (6)

In all the circumstances, in my opinion, the presumption must be that he is potentially dangerous and the case must be managed accordingly. The prisoner has not shown any progress in understanding the concerns highlighted in his case and, if anything, appears even more intransigent in his views than before conviction. Therefore, in my view, he is not a suitable candidate for early release on parole. His future supervision on licence will have to be undertaken with a view to managing risk to the public as an overriding priority.

F.W. Probation Officer West Yorkshire Probation Service.


It appears I'm a nut! By the way, I didn't get parole!

3. It is looked upon as an offence to have an interest in firearms.

4. Is the right to keep and bear arms an "extreme view"?

5. Log on to http://www.jpfo.org/

6. How many more warnings do gun owners need about the mentality of the anti-gun lobby? A perfect example of an "expert" covering his back.



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A PRISON GOVERNOR'S "ENLIGHTENED" COMMENTS ABOUT THE AUTHOR:

"The nature of your book and the views expressed in it are precisely what makes you a risk to the public. They (the views) lie at the core of why you were sent to prison in the first place. Those views are still firmly held and they make you a danger to the public."

C.M.A.,Governor



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ON THE OTHER HAND........SOME COULD SEE THROUGH THE LIES AND MISINFORMATION......THE PRISON CHAPLAIN'S REPORT:

I have known Mr.Luty since his arrival in this prison, I have spoken to him on several occasions about his offence and his personal problems, in particular the death of his mother and the illness of his father...However, my main concern is to bring to the parole board's attention Mr.Luty's ongoing bereavement problems. Eight months after his imprisonment his mother died. Although aware that she had been ill his mother's death came as a great shock. He was very close to his mother and was extremely upset by her death. His sense of loss and grief was such that he could not bring himself to attend the funeral. He admits that he has been unable to grieve properly...whilst in prison. As with so many men in the prison culture he cannot let go of his emotions and has bottled them up. His sadness cannot be released. The problem has been compounded by the serious illness of his father, who almost died in the summer of 1999. His father continues to be seriously ill and he is frightened that he will lose his father also whilst in prison. Both these events have put great strain on Mr.Luty during his sentence.

Despite these pressures he has conducted himself with dignity during his sentence and has been a model prisoner. He has complied with every demand made of him and has behaved impeccably. Whilst a naturally quiet person he gets on well with staff with whom he has contact. Mr. Luty is an articulate and intelligent man...his offences have been of an 'indirect nature', i.e. they have not involved other people nor have they been used in criminal activities. I support Mr.Luty's parole application on the following grounds;

1/ He has never shown himself to be a threat to the public.

2/ He has been a well behaved inmate and has complied with all that has been asked of him whilst in prison.

P.M., Prison Chaplain


It is a worrying fact of modern life that those who find themselves in prison and are known to hold an "unhealthy" interest in firearms are subjected to "Psychiatric assessment".



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THE PRISON PSYCHIATRIST No.1 (following a long interview).
"I could find no evidence of delusions, hallucinations. There was no thought disorder and his mood was normal. His memory was good and he was of at least average intelligence, possibly of good intelligence.............In my opinion he does not suffer from any form of mental disorder (nice to know!) ...His mood was appropriate and he certainly could not be described as cold. I concluded there were no grounds for suggesting psychiatric intervention in this case" (phew!)

Dr.T.K., Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist.



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THE PRISON PSYCHIATRIST No. 2 (following a very long interview).


"The purpose of this report is to advise on Mr.Luty's mental state and to clarify the issue as to whether he suffers from a mental disorder or not (Didn't they believe no.1?)


Mr.Luty denied any symptoms of depression. I found no evidence at all of mental Illness. (Hurray!)
It was clear from conversation that he has strong views on a variety of matters. He presents as a clean living individual with high morals......He spoke about the injustices of recent gun laws......He believes people should be allowed to possess firearms.......OPINION:- I found no evidence of mental illness. Although Mr.Luty has strong views on a number of matters these alone do not constitute a personality disorder. (7) Mr.Luty does not suffer from a personality disorder and therefore I have no medical recommendations to make."

Dr.J.I. MRC-Psych., Consultant Forensic Psychiatrist.


7. The anti-gun lobby, prison and probation service would have us believe otherwise!



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THE PRISON PSYCHIATRIST N0.3 (following a very, very long interview).


"In my opinion Mr.Luty is not suffering from a mental disorder requiring specialist treatment. (Surely they will believe no.3?) My enquiry into this case has revealed the motive behind the offence. I have not come across any evidence to indicate that Mr.Luty is a dangerous person as he is at present"

Dr.M.S.A.,MBBS,FRC.Psych., Senior lecturer in psychiatry.



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So entrenched is the mindset of the prison/probation services, and many other government bodies, that anyone who enters the prison system and dares to challenge this mindset can suffer the most appalling persecution. I have had first hand experience. So entrenched is the view that the gun owner is a potential mass murderer or homicidal maniac that he will suffer the indignities of intrusive psychiatric questioning in the expectation that he will "test positive"; i.e. he will be another "gun nut" caught in time. In any other field, psychiatric "assessment" will only be offered or prescribed if a mental illness is observed or demonstrated to be present. However, when we are talking about an individual with an interest in firearms , a psychiatric "assessment" is prescribed in the expectation, and in some quarter, hope, of it being required.

This ludicrous situation has occurred as a direct result of the media, in whose newspapers and on whose screens the gun owner has been relegated to the level of an almost sub-human species. The probation service, whose role at one time was the welfare of an inmate and his family, will now write the most vindictive and biased reports to prevent an early release, irrespective of any humanitarian urgency which may exist, and which for almost any other offence would almost guarantee early release on parole licence. Where the prison service is involved in the assessment of an individual convicted of a non-violent offence, as in my own case, they will indulge in a game of prevarication and manipulation of the truth. The situation is totally unacceptable.

It is the fundamental right of any individual to be treated in a fair and non-prejudicial manner and the right of any minority living in what we are told is a civilised society not to suffer intolerance at the hands of a "might is right" majority view.

The intolerance shown to me and my minority today, may well be shown to you and your minority tomorrow. Let my experiences be a warning. It is time to wake up.



http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/readthis.shtml

[Nailer]

a fully auto air powered machine gun.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POCGiy5VpxI

Caselman Air Machine Gun - video II

[Nailer]

How to make a Thompson SMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjv6jkd9-3E&feature=related


How to make a Browning 30cal PT1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7fiPUEiDI&feature=related

[Nailer]

has anyone here ever shot one of these " American 180 "  22 LR  rifles.?

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm



Caliber: .22LR (5.6x15 rimfire); .22ILARCO (.22 Short Magnum rimfire)
Weight: 2.6 kg empty; approx. 4.5 kg with loaded 176-round magazine
Length: 900 mm (35 ½ in)
Barrel length: 470 mm (18 ½ in) standard; 229 mm (9 in) short.
Rate of fire: 1200 rounds per minute with .22LR ammo; 1500 rounds per minute with .22ILARCO ammo
Magazine capacity: 165, 177, 220 or 275 rounds
Effective range: 100 meters

The American 180 is one of the most interesting submachine guns. The idea of the very high capacity, small caliber rifle which can be fired for long time without reloading has been devised by the American gun designer Richard (Dick) Casull in early 1960s. During the same time he produced about 80 semi-automatic rifles, known as Casull Model 290 rifles, in .22LR, with 290-round flat pan magazines. these rifles were finely made and quite expensive.

During early 1970s the idea of Casull rifle has been upscaled into small-caliber submachine gun, intended for police use. The .22LR ammo, which is low powered by all standards, has advantages of low report, low recoil, low probability of ricochets and over-penetration, as well as good accuracy. Necessary stopping power has been achieved by multiple hits in a short period of time, thanks to aforementioned low recoil, high rate of fire and very large magazine capacity. Designated as American-180, the submachine gun was initially manufactured in Austria under contract from US-based company, and then imported into USA by Christopher and Associates. latter guns were manufactured by American Arms International and Illinois Arms Company, Inc. (ILARCO). Significant numbers of American-180 SMG's were purchased by police departments and prisons, mostly for riot control situations. But is soon had been found that, while single .22LR round cannot defeat typical police body armor if used by 'wrong' hands, but long bursts will literally dig through the body armor and do significant damage to the officer wearing it.

American-180 is a conventional blowback operated submachine gun, firing from the open bolt. It can be fired both in single shots and in full automatic mode. The receiver is a solid machined steel part, the furniture is made from wood. The most unusual part of the gun is its multi-layer flat pan magazine, reminiscent to magazines of the pre-WW2 aircraft machine guns. The original magazines were made from steel and held 177 rounds in three layers, bullets pointing inwards (to the center of the pan). Late production magazines were made from translucent Lexan plastic, and held either 3, 4 or 5 layers of ammunition, with 165, 220 or 275 rounds capacity respectively. Some guns were chambered for .22 ILARCO ammunition, also known as .22 Short Magnum rimfire, as it was a .22WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) cartridge shortened to the same length as .22LR cartridge. As the .22 ILARCO was more powerful, the rate of fire increased from already spectacular 1 200 rounds per minute to 1 500 rounds per minute. Spent cases were ejected to the bottom. American-180 submachine guns were fitted with adjustable sights, and a 'Laser Lok'  laser sight has been offered as accessory. For stationary use in prisons or during riots on the streets, ILARCO provided dual and quadruple mounts for American-180.

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[Nailer]

American 180 The best .22 machine gun made

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFuuU21cCyc

[sedevacantistomaha]

One thing I've come to realize that's crucial to learn up on is how to store food for wintertime without the aid of canning. If one is lucky enough to bugout to a safe spot out in the middle of nowhere, and assuming you've built a good shelter and you are set, you will need to think about how you will survive the wintertime when it's hardest to find food. And since if all you have is the bare minimum of survival supplies like me, you'll need to learn how the pioneers stored food in the winter, techniques such as pickling, drying, and cellaring. Check out this link for more info:

http://lovelandlocal.blogspot.com/2008/03/just-like-pioneers-food-storage.html

[sedevacantistomaha]

Awesome survivalist DIY root cellar:

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/08/diy_root_cellar.php

[sedevacantistomaha]

Here's a better DIY root cellar website:

http://www.supernaturale.com/articles.html?id=252

[sedevacantistomaha]

One more:

http://www.amazon.com/Root-Cellaring-Natural-Storage-Vegetables/dp/0882667033/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1225238411&sr=8-1

[netizen_x]

I've harvested 2 crops of alfalfa sprouts this week and one of snow peas. Planted some of the snow pea sprouts for winter. You can grow sprouts indoors all winter and have fresh protein and vitamins (including C). I live in an apartment and farm indoors and on the roof.

food storage is good but don't forget to have some fresh stuff. It ain't rocket science.

[scoffer]

Here's a better DIY root cellar website:

http://www.supernaturale.com/articles.html?id=252

We rebuilt an existing root cellar this summer. It was a huge job, it is on a property we own with a house built in 1912, complete with an intact cistern, and roof gutter drain system. It's an amazing set up, the original house, very self sufficient (next year we will restore the outhouse), our plan is to have this house totally off the grid and take our vacations there. We have researched the previous owner, a widow since 1935, what an amazing lady, she lived to the age of 93, the surrounding community helped her out a lot in her later years, prior to that she contributed a lot to her community.

We can learn a lot from history, and also possibly anticipate what is to come, and how best to address a whole new set of issues. It's kind of scary to put yourself in a place where the amenities that we are accustomed to don't exist, but if you look at the past you know that it is possible.

[scoffer]

Here's a better DIY root cellar website:

http://www.supernaturale.com/articles.html?id=252

[SeraphimZeta]

http://www.waterbob.com

$25 including shipping.  Good for an impending disaster (hurricane, etc.) or possible water rationing (only Tues/Thurs type thing).

[Terral]

Hi CaliNomadic:

I am developing my own survival plan right now and ran across your post on this thread:

Hey everyone, I'm new to this form, even though Ive been listening to Alex Jones for a while. Anyways, I'm 17, and my family thinks I am a little crazy for believing this stuff. So basically, as of now, I don't have access to a safe house or supply cache outside of my city. What would you guess suggest as a starter kit that I could keep in my closet to at least help me get out of my town. I already have a planned escape route that is secluded so I'm good on that. Ive been hearing about a short wave radio to start off? Any suggestions would help. Thanks.

First of all, you have far more going for you right now than many might realize in your situation. The best way to influence your family is to spend your allowance on survival tools like fish hooks and seeds, so everyone can ‘see’ that you are really concerned about what is happening in the world around you. The typical writer on this thread is assuming that each person will be alone and running away from the New World Order, but that is certainly not true. Your success or failure will depend on the relationships you develop in the time leading up to and directly following the events taking the USA under Martial Law. The key word that we should be anticipating is ‘resistance,’ which will come from those of us merging our efforts together against the real bad guys working every day to enslave We The People using their New World Order trickery.

You appear to be a kid from California, so the Official Homepage for the California Militia is here with a Survival link here. Right now everyone concerned should be in ‘Preparation Mode’ in anticipation of ‘The Event’ that will create mass confusion transforming fear and panic into pandemonium that should send us directly into ‘Survival Mode.’ That means we are currently developing a ‘plan’ that includes acquiring the necessary resources to be executed once this ‘event’ actually takes place. We should expect a narrow window of opportunity where the unprepared people get swallowed up by losing their heads in the confusion, but we will be the ones heading for the hills like Christ says in Matthew 24:15-16 ‘and’ without looking back.

This is the time where you will meet up with other Americans that saw the warning signs and took action in time to make similar preparations now evacuating the cities and taking refuge in the mountains and in the countryside. This is where you will have the opportunity to barter your hooks, seeds, lighters, knives, critter traps, meds and whatnot for things to help survive the coming months. However, the idea is not that we will be sitting out in the wilderness somewhere like scared rabbits. No sir. This is where the plans will be drawn to go back and liberate our American brothers and sisters from the FEMA concentration/gas chamber camps to add numbers to the resistance that will eventually overcome the bad guys and send them all straight to hell. Our dedication as the resistance will cause our American brothers in uniform to realize they are being used as puppets by the fascist government, so that they become part of our cause and work from within the evil regime to bring the entire system down. Therefore, with these goals in mind, then realize the first step in helping your family to wake up is to make the decision to ‘show them’ your concern by making the choice to spend a few dollars of your allowance on fish hooks and seeds to start the ball rolling.

My personal Survival list is shaping up like this:

Survival List:

Travel Trailer
Generator
Canoe
Gold panning tools and machine
Shovels, picks, ax, hatchet, buckets, bottles, wheelbarrows, etc.
Rubber boots, gloves, rain gear
Tent
Sleeping bag
Packs of Lighters
Magnifying glass
Hand-crank radio/flashlight
Seeds
Canned Food stocks
Water filtration unit
Rifle w/scope
Shotgun
Pistol
Bow and arrows
Knives
Fishing equipment
Critter traps
Snare wire
Survival Pack:
First Aid kit
Alcohol
Poison Ivy Meds
Aspirin
Etc., Etc..

Live game should always be trapped and never shot. The biggest asset we have is the growing population of wild hogs in the USA that can easily be trapped by digging pits on the trails running between their food sources and the water supply. Never walk their paths and leave your scent, but make a perpendicular approach, dig the pit and exit the same way after covering the pit and covering your tracks. The best pits are dug near a location where the hogs are cutting through narrow openings between trees, because oftentimes you will get two or three following closely behind. :0) The smaller pigs can be kept in a thicket surrounded by wire and corn fed to take out the game taste. 

The best use of your hooks is to attach to nylon string and toss into any pond or lake with a small piece of meat for catching turtles that actually taste really good (like oxtail and rice). :0) Always attach your end of the line to a branch that will react like a fishing pole, or the big ones will get away. Then expect that now and then a catfish will come along and you can see that this ‘bush hook’ method works really good for the least amount of effort. You see that I added gold equipment to the list, because even when the dollar crashes then the world will still find gold at the top of the list in any barter system. My two cents,

GL,

Terral

[sedevacantistomaha]

WHAT IS ONE TO DO IN THE EVENT OF A SORE (INFECTED) TOOTH, A CAVITY, OR A BURST APPENDIX IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. SUICIDE???

[sedevacantistomaha]

http://www.waterbob.com

$25 including shipping.  Good for an impending disaster (hurricane, etc.) or possible water rationing (only Tues/Thurs type thing).

Website says it keeps water clean for only 4 weeks. Maybe better off buying a portable water filter. But for $25 you can't beat the price I guess.

[HYDROGENPAL]

Home depot has Commercial respiraters for $30
they will help you to breath if for some reason you would need.
Chemtrails become deadly or chemical war hits us.




here is a website i found that you can order one of these for $30 this would be the best option


http://www.websoft-solutions.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=42&OVRAW=respirator&OVKEY=respirator&OVMTC=standard&OVADID=1665444521&OVKWID=15552906021

[HYDROGENPAL]

those dont make the best gasmasks i would go buy realones from army surplus

can you find some that do the same as these that are military issued for the same cost?
If so give us a link

[ES]

I think the most likely use for a gas mask will be when the police are shooting gas into your home to drive you out for not paying taxes or mortgage or not going into the new draft.

[cathiasus]

After seeing those underground bases with monstrous doors, I wonder if they plan on destroying our atmosphere. If that were so, we'd need to purchase space suits.

[CharlesB]

Looking for making a gas mask websites?
http://wwp.us.com/product/gasmasks/websites/making-a-gas-mask.htm

Making An Emergency Gas Mask: Part 1

[CharlesB]

Making An Emergency Gas Mask: Part 2

[CharlesB]

Making An Emergency Gas Mask: Part 3

[CharlesB]

A Gas Mask For Fumigating Purposes: Part 1

[CharlesB]

A Gas Mask For Fumigating Purposes: Part 2

[CharlesB]

A Gas Mask For Fumigating Purposes: Part 3

[DireWolf]

In a nutshell, it very well just might be hell on Earth.

[Triadtropz]

you think they can enact martial law just because of a recession?..I dont..

[DireWolf]

you think they can enact martial law just because of a recession?..I dont..

PDD 51 says they can, and it is  law. Not Constitutional.

[DireWolf]

The crap and the fan are now in the same (small) room it won`t be long now so don't delay in your preparations be they what they may.

[toddo]

Guys, the head for the hills idea really needs to be thought out. It's not like we're going camping and roughing it for a weekend. A better bet is to band together and come up with a survival retreat. Someplace where families can survive self sufficiently for 6 to 9 months at a time. Food and water stocks, wind and solar energy, heck even indoor plumbing. If enough of of put our minds to it we can do it. Alone in the woods with what you can hunt or fish might sound good right now but how long would you want to live like that for?

We need to band together as like-minded people who are concerned for future survival. Not each of us running our separate ways. Working together we can accomplish much more than we can as individuals.

[Drasamis]

Guys, the head for the hills idea really needs to be thought out. It's not like we're going camping and roughing it for a weekend. A better bet is to band together and come up with a survival retreat. Someplace where families can survive self sufficiently for 6 to 9 months at a time. Food and water stocks, wind and solar energy, heck even indoor plumbing. If enough of of put our minds to it we can do it. Alone in the woods with what you can hunt or fish might sound good right now but how long would you want to live like that for?

We need to band together as like-minded people who are concerned for future survival. Not each of us running our separate ways. Working together we can accomplish much more than we can as individuals.

The problem with this is people are inherently skeptical of others' intent (why else are we here?). Not to mention the future power groups (military, police) will see it as a threat and wipe you out, off the face of the planet. The establishment is not going to sit idly by while a commune of people is off the grid and out of their control. In numbers we have power yes, but we become bigger targets.

[toddo]

The problem with this is people are inherently skeptical of others' intent (why else are we here?). Not to mention the future power groups (military, police) will see it as a threat and wipe you out, off the face of the planet. The establishment is not going to sit idly by while a commune of people is off the grid and out of their control. In numbers we have power yes, but we become bigger targets.

Drasamis, you hit the nail right on the head. I know I have held off for many, many years from reaching out to others and discussing my thoughts. There have always been narcs (what we called them in school) trying to infiltrate and report on activities and whereabouts and now there are even more. Just ask any biker gang or separitist religious group.

I watched Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Branch Davidians go down as law enforcement rolled up to the gates in the name of public safety. Bigger target? Yes. Bigger threat? maybe, but IMO we stand a better chance as a group in a commune as opposed to a shack in the woods. I would much rather stand up to a siege condition than be picked off trying to gather lunch in the woods.