Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[Sundosia]

I hear flouride is a good poison!

[doublethink]

I just think all of us need to become modern-day minutemen. When TSHTF, it will be overtly obvious (in my opinion), so all of us need to be able to escape to a safe haven(s), that is prepared with supplies, quickly. If you live in a rural area, I envy you, but to those in Urban areas, you better have some escape routes, and destinations planned,  unless you like black uniforms...

Im not waiting for them to come to my door, Ill tell you that.

[JonTheSavage]

whats a good, simple, and somewhat affordable gun somebody would want to get that knows nothing about guns?

SKS, $200, shoots a 7.62x39 (30 cal). Ammo is $4.50 for a box of 20.
I've got over 1500 rnds for mine.

Its been known as the cowboy's companion.

[JonTheSavage]

The reason I keep suggesting the SKS is because during an outdoor survival situation, you want a gun that will withstand the elements. These SKSs were used in the Viatcong where people were hiding in holes in the ground in wet jungles. Any gun that can take that kind of abuse is on my good gun list. Your standard AR-15, or M16 is made of aluminum instead of steel, so if you drop the thing, it might break. The AR-15 shoots a little .223 round, which you may have to unload one on a UN thug 2 or 3 times to drop em. The SKS is close to a .30 caliber, as opposed to .22. You can run over an SKS with a truck, pick it up, and keep firing. The ammo is cheap, and they are made from good stamped metal that can take a severe beating.

[70983]

all that can be said of any kalashnikov made gun

[DireWolf]

 To those of you who would rather die / commit suicide than endure and fight, that's your choice, but do those of us who will never give up, a favor if you will. Please get together with your like minded friends and devise a means for which we the fighters can identify you and avoid wasting precious resources on you that will be needed to enable the resistance to continue.

 You have no right, nor does anyone have the right to expect another to do for you that you refuse to do for yourself, so if the thought of some unpleasentries in the fight for your Freedom is to much to ask of you don`t it to be done for you. Give up, lie down and die if you wish, at least you will be out of the way of those who truly care about life enough to strive for it.

 In the end we all die, what you do while alive will be the legacy you leave behind, you really want yours to be that of a quitter and despair? Life is a gift, if you despise it so much don`t wait, I wont lose any sleep over YOUR CHOICE!!!!!

[Pheonix Renewed]

To those of you who would rather die / commit suicide than endure and fight, that's your choice, but do those of us who will never give up, a favor if you will. Please get together with your like minded friends and devise a means for which we the fighters can identify you and avoid wasting precious resources on you that will be needed to enable the resistance to continue.

 You have no right, nor does anyone have the right to expect another to do for you that you refuse to do for yourself, so if the thought of some unpleasentries in the fight for your Freedom is to much to ask of you don`t it to be done for you. Give up, lie down and die if you wish, at least you will be out of the way of those who truly care about life enough to strive for it.

 In the end we all die, what you do while alive will be the legacy you leave behind, you really want yours to be that of a quitter and despair? Life is a gift, if you despise it so much don`t wait, I wont lose any sleep over YOUR CHOICE!!!!!

I don't think you paid attention. You saw and 'heard' what you wanted to hear. I will fight to the end, but in the end, I will NOT be taken, and I will NOT allow my family to be taken. I will die fighting, or I will die by my own hand. I will NOT die in a FEMA camp.

Just because I will die before I go to a FEMA camp doesn't mean I won't fight.

But of course, you've made up your mind, and you refuse to hear anything but what you want to. Just like those who refuse to accept the NWO exists, and only hear what they want to hear, as well.

If you run out of ammo and are about to be taken, you can just be taken and live the rest of your life in a FEMA camp, I don't care. That's YOUR CHOICE and I don't give two shits what choice YOU make about living out your final days as a slave, or about hearing whatever you want to hear and nothing else.

[DireWolf]

As long as you live and breath there is hope, of rescue or escape. Many of our founding fathers and their families were captured and lost all they had, yet they fought for they knew the cost to begin with and counted it acceptable, be it what it may.

 My comments were not directed at anyone in particular, just those in general who choose that path. I know no one here personally in this forum, so it couldn't be directed at you as an individual. People take no offense, unless it hits close to home and the truth, but I know you or others are just blowing off steam, so I take no offense at your words, as you should not mine.

 I did not start this life I now call mine and therefore I have not the authority to end it. POW`s returning home after years of captivity and abuse found it worth the price paid to again see loved ones and live free once again.

 Life is not fair, and it will never be. To be born is to eventually die, to do so at your own discretion is to assume you know the future and all that it will bring. If it brings only sorrow and pain it is still not your right to end that which you did not create, or else you would have chosen not to be born.

[Pheonix Renewed]

As long as you live and breath there is hope, of rescue or escape. Many of our founding fathers and their families were captured and lost all they had, yet they fought for they knew the cost to begin with and counted it acceptable, be it what it may.

 My comments were not directed at anyone in particular, just those in general who choose that path. I know no one here personally in this forum, so it couldn't be directed at you as an individual. People take no offense, unless it hits close to home and the truth, but I know you or others are just blowing off steam, so I take no offense at your words, as you should not mine.

 I did not start this life I now call mine and therefore I have not the authority to end it. POW`s returning home after years of captivity and abuse found it worth the price paid to again see loved ones and live free once again.

 Life is not fair, and it will never be. To be born is to eventually die, to do so at your own discretion is to assume you know the future and all that it will bring. If it brings only sorrow and pain it is still not your right to end that which you did not create, or else you would have chosen not to be born.

I've heard a load of moronic arguments against suicide in my life, but "you have no right to end your life because you didn't start your life" is the dumbest one yet. When you have to live my life and do my suffering for me, then you can tell me I have no right to choose whether or not I do that suffering. Until then, your bullshit rhetoric about how "you don't have the right to end what you didn't start" will just make me laugh. The sheer, unadulterated, staggering arrogance of people who demand that other people suffer just so that "I don't have miss you" is unbelievable. Any family member that wants someone else to suffer unimageable agony just so that they don't have to miss that person needs to be disemboweled and left in an anthill to die a slow, agonizing, brutal death. Maybe then they'll actually give a f*ck about someone else's suffering for 2 seconds of their miserable existance.

[Choronzon]

a little .223 round, which you may have to unload one on a UN thug 2 or 3 times to drop em. The SKS is close to a .30 caliber, as opposed to .22.

actually, the .223 is totally uncompareable to the .22 calibre.  the 223 will "tumble" in trajectory, one of the fastest feet per second bullet in existance.  upon impact it tends to shatter into countless pieces of shrapnel.  i know 2 people now that have taken a .22 in the head.  one was point blank in the face.  they are both alive today.  i doubt anyone can survive a 223 round that impacts anywere near a vital area.  the exit wounds are insane.
that being said, the firearms that use the .223 are generally not good for the kind of uses we are talking about here.  with one exception.  the Ruger Mini-14.  just an awesome rifle, IMO.
The SKS is a great weapon, but is secondary to an AK-47.  they both use the same calibre cartridge.  SKS's can have larger capacity clips i guess, but i personally like the AK more regardless.  also there are really nice egyptian AK-47s that use the american .308 cartridge, for about 300$ US. 
another point i guess is, dropping armed soldiers that are targetting you.  yikes.  i would rather hide in one of the nearby "caves" with a .357 for a few days while they do their "rescue missions". 

[HYDROGENPAL]

So what is the break down of the supply list once again?

here is a video on berkey water filter and how to build one for your self save $100 just buy the 2 filters and make it your self.

http://www.enerhealthbotanicals.com/BERKEY-WATER-FILTERS-s/8.htm

[GoodBush]

So what is the break down of the supply list once again?

here is a video on berkey water filter and how to build one for your self save $100 just buy the 2 filters and make it your self.

It really varies depending on location. But I got a little list aquired.

-Source of h2o, storing and purifying.
-Stored food, seeds and a green garden. Books on eating off the land.
-First aid.
-Self defensive measures, there are options other than guns if your "laws" don't allow.
-Evacuation plan, second or third option for residing out of your home.
-SW radio.
-Gold
Thats my incomplete list.  I got many other things specifically for my area as well.

[HYDROGENPAL]

It really varies depending on location. But I got a little list aquired.

-Source of h2o, storing and purifying.
-Stored food, seeds and a green garden. Books on eating off the land.
-First aid.
-Self defensive measures, there are options other than guns if your "laws" don't allow.
-Evacuation plan, second or third option for residing out of your home.
-SW radio.
-Gold
Thats my incomplete list.  I got many other things specifically for my area as well.

I have been panning for this for a while and have taken mixed martial arts for training if I need to fight.
Ive taken my truck off road and mapped out a route not useing the roads to get out. as they will all be blocked im sure.
dont care for radio nothing i want to hear except for family and even then all free Frequencies will be blocked by the military any way.
Got many books on solar food making and now have berkey filters
I need, seeds and a green garden. Books on eating off the land if some one would like to exchange books?

[RollerCam]

I'll always have some kind of radio for communications---smoke signals are too hard to comprehend.

All frequency ranges cannot be blocked at all times nationwide. Physically impossible... highly improbable.

[DireWolf]

 Knowledge is power, so the more you know the more powerful and dangerous you are to the NWO and that`s a wonderful thing.

 Learning to survive, and the skills required to do so is a great start, but much more will be needed to ensure that we win this conflict they will impose upon us.

 Strategy, leadership, the kind of knowledge that they don`t want us to have, and the resolve to see through to the end what is started.

 Guerrilla fighting tactics, IED`s, Psychological warfare, and electronic knowledge will be needed, so the more we know the better.  One person is not apt to have all this information available to them so we need to network at a local level with those we trust. While it is good to be proficient in any given area it is better to be cross trained in another area so we will have built in redundancy to compensate for an absent or lost member.

 The NWO is counting on us to flee to the hills and provide little or no resistance, or giving in. Secrecy is paramount, develop non traditional methods of communicating. Dress and act accordingly to blend into the local culture you may find your self in. Pretend to be a good slave if need be letting them think they have the upper hand, understand their strengths, give them false assurance, and use their strengths against them thereby beating them at their own game.

[esquared]

actually, the .223 is totally uncompareable to the .22 calibre.  the 223 will "tumble" in trajectory, one of the fastest feet per second bullet in existance.  upon impact it tends to shatter into countless pieces of shrapnel.  i know 2 people now that have taken a .22 in the head.  one was point blank in the face.  they are both alive today.  i doubt anyone can survive a 223 round that impacts anywere near a vital area.  the exit wounds are insane.
that being said, the firearms that use the .223 are generally not good for the kind of uses we are talking about here.  with one exception.  the Ruger Mini-14.  just an awesome rifle, IMO.
The SKS is a great weapon, but is secondary to an AK-47.  they both use the same calibre cartridge.  SKS's can have larger capacity clips i guess, but i personally like the AK more regardless.  also there are really nice egyptian AK-47s that use the american .308 cartridge, for about 300$ US. 
another point i guess is, dropping armed soldiers that are targetting you.  yikes.  i would rather hide in one of the nearby "caves" with a .357 for a few days while they do their "rescue missions". 

Do you guys have any idea how many people have lost their lives to the .223 round from an American made M-16 ? Got any idea how many M-16's have been brought ashore after exiting a submarine ? They are tough weapons . What the hell do you think they are going to use when they come for us ?

[esquared]

i probably have the best plan here but i need some help from you guyz:

does anyone know how to make a poison that kills you instantly.(last ditch resort)for example: planet x causes some catastrophe and the world is ending.people are running and yeling all around me. i say to myself,''f dis''.i drink the poison and die......peacefully.

i remember seeing this stuff in movies or something where a ninja commits suicide after failing his mission.

I would make a poison and delivery system to get it into their bloodstream quickly . DMSO and a poison mixed into it will quickly absorb through the skin .

[Mrs. B]

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=0

Link to the best info I've seen for surviving the economic crash of a first-world country. FerFAL lives in Argentina whose economy crashed in 2001. Here's a few snippets & chapter titles but I left out a lot, so don't go by what you see here, you need to read the whole thing:

"I started thinking about several issues, what I learned (either the hard way or thanks to this forum) after all these years of living in a collapsed country that is trying to get out an economical disaster and everything that comes along with it. Though my English is limited, I hope I’m able to transmit the main ideas and concepts, giving you a better image of what you may have to deal with some day, if the economy collapses in your country. Here is what I have so far:

URBAN OR COUNTRY?

"Someone once asked me how did those that live in the country fare. If they were better off than city dwellers. As always there are no simple answers. Wish I could say country good, city bad, but I can’t, because if I have to be completely honest, and I intend to be so, there are some issues that have to be analyzed, especially security...

SERVICES

"What ever sort of scenario you are dealing with, services are more than likely to either suffer in quality or disappear all together. Think ahead of time; analyze possible SHTF scenarios and which service should be affected by it in your area. Think about the most likely scenario but also think outside the box....

WATER

POWER

GAS

A DIFFERENT MENTALITY

GRAY/BLACK MARKET

"Once the SHTF the black/gray market will take no time to appear all around you.
In my country, gray markets were even accepted in the end. At first it was all about trading skills or craft products for food. Districts and towns would form their own barter markets, and created their own tickets, similar to money, that was used to trade.

"This didn’t last long. Those tickets were easy to make on your home computer, there was no control and eventually people went back to paper money.

"These markets were usually placed on warehouses or empty land, and were managed by some wise guy and a few thugs or hired security. Anyone can go rent a kiosk inside these markets for about 50-100 pesos (about 20-30 dollars) a day and sell his goods and services. Peace within these markets is usually respected… lets just say that these managers don’t call the police if someone tries anything funny, like stealing, fighting or taking advantage of women. That’s not good for their business and anyone that tries to mess with their business finds out how much pain the human body can actually experiment or gets a free ticket to meet the Lord. Sometimes even uniformed cops manage security on these markets, for a small fee of course. As always, you still have to be careful. They may still try to pick your pockets or even attack you once you leave the market. Once you leave the market, you are on your own, as always...

"GOLD!!

Someone hit me in the head please because I messed up about the gold issue.

Everyone wants to buy gold! “I buy gold. Pay cash” signs are everywhere, even on TV! I can’t believe I’m that silly! I just didn’t relate it to what I read here because they deal with junk gold, like jewelry, either stolen or sold because they needed the money, not the gold coins that you guys talk about. No one pays for the true value of the stuff, so big WARNING! Sign on people that are buying gold coins. Since it is impossible to determine the true mineral percentage of gold, small shops and dealers will pay for it as regular jewelry gold. What I would do if I were you: Besides gold coins, buy a lot of small gold rings and other jewelry. They should be less expensive than gold coins, and if the SHTF bad, you’ll not be loosing money, selling premium quality gold coins for the price of junk gold. If I could travel back in time, I’d....

GUNS, AMMO AND OTHER GEAR (long & detailed)

WHEN HE KNEW THE SHTF

CRIME & INSECURITY

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS

A LIST OF THINGS 'IF-YOU-HAD-IT-TO-DO-OVER-AGAIN' YOU WOULD GET

MORE ON SECURITY--KIDNAPPING

TEA WITH MY AUNT

"Another issue I want to point out. SHTF such as political crisis or economical collapses take time to settle.
There wont be a declared SHTF day. Yes, there are events that are like landmarks, milestones in the course of history. But it will take time, society will change little by little, until the new reality is assimilated and accepted, consciously or not, by the entire population. After a few months, you’ll se people talking about before and after certain event that changed their world. For you it may be 9-11, for me it’s life before and after the 1:1 (meaning the 1 dollar, 1 peso conversion) or life before and after the 2001 crisis. People use it on their daily conversations. “ So, you’ve been to Hawaii?, wow!” , “Yes, yes but we went back before the 1:1, now it’s impossible to pay for such a trip”, “ Yes, too bad”

"This time of uncertainness, until people accept that the world around them changed, takes time, months or even years, and it’s a SLOW decline, slowly slipping down. One day you’ll start seeing more people begging, more prostitutes, houses not painted, cars will start to look a little more shabby, because people don’t have money to fix them, until one day you will tell yourself “wow, this wasn’t like this 6-12 months ago.” Things do not get accepted day over night, a SHTF event may occur in a matter of seconds, but it takes MONTHS to sink in.
That’s why you should keep an open, independent mentality, and eyes and ears listening all around you, so as to stay ahead of the herd....

Financial security, and the ability to move:
The greatest survival trait.

Which brings me to my final consideration on survival, my final conclusion concerning surviving mayor crisis.
Money.

Yes, some paper money, gold, silver, but mostly money in accounts in a couple of “safe” countries and money invested in real estate.

We had people going from middle class to poor over here. We had people going through some terrible situations, and it’s safe to say that those that fared better where those with solid finances.

Our society runs on money, people. Not only paper money, but accounts and virtual money. It would take a world wide collapse, practically the end of humanity for money to be useless as a concept.

A country, or several, even a continent can go down into misery, dragging it’s local paper money with it, but the other end will rise proportionally. I truly believe this, and history also shows that there are always losers and winners, conquered and conquerors, the balance, the ying yang always remains.

A giant meteor could destroy earth and little green men could enslave us, yes, but in the infinite spectrum of possibilities, that scenario is the less likely one. I’d rather prepare for those that are more likely. And it’s very likely that though your country can go down with an economical collapse, suffer civil war or natural disasters, you will probably have the possibility to escape to somewhere safe, greener pastures.

Hel!, that’s what thousands of Argentines ultimately did, what my family did, and what I intend to do as soon as possible.
Just last week my parents told me that they ran across some old friends that recently moved to Spain. Bad guys broke into their home with them inside, don’t know exactly what happened but it must have been ugly, so they got fed up of the insecurity and moved to Spain with their daughter.

I consider myself a citizen of the world, and have no problem to move if I must. I strongly suggest you think about this, because it may be the ultimate survival solution. While I do believe in the stronghold, retreat concept, I do not believe it is possible to fight off an entire starved, crazed nation..."

posted by FerFAL

[rubbertramp]

this is a secret. but as far as organized, armed,well stocked and ready to go there's really only 1 group that i know of. they live on a huge chunk of land and are actually soveirgn, inside of america. they have plans to take care of thier elders, there's a plan to shut down all access into thier private property. there is a whole network of communication to get the word out when the time comes. they are very familiar with living off the land and raise plenty of meat. there are encampments stocked and ready to go, that are so remote you can only hike or horseback into them.
is this ringing a bell for anyone. as a gringo i'm very thankful for being invited into the loop, after many years of romping thier land and meeting people.

[JBS]

infrared satellites will pick them up in about an hour, helicopters arrive with blackwater exterminators in 3 or 4 hours. Sorry I had to pee on your parade.

[rubbertramp]

infrared satellites will pick them up in about an hour, helicopters arrive with blackwater exterminators in 3 or 4 hours. Sorry I had to pee on your parade.

if you think they haven't taken any of this, along with biologicals etc....into consideration you still don't understand what i'm saying.

[thrashbassist]

Either way, it's a great opportunity to learn from people who are experienced at living off the land. I've been talking to lots of people from the local Amish community here about taking care of crops and raising livestock. Luckily there's an Amish market around here that's open every weekend, that's where I buy my veggies, it also gives me the chance to observe the way they do things.

[rubbertramp]

yes, and believe it or not the mormons in utah are prepared also, not in the same way, but eyes wide open in most senses.

[JBS]

I definitely agree with that kind of preparedness and I would be doing the same, if only I could. Something I would be doing, if I were not eternally stuck in hellhole city, CA, usa. I have opted to "go down with the ship." I am too old to go anywhere, that is if anything bad even happens at all. It takes money to properly dig in, a luxury I don't have. I know what to do and how, I just can't do it.
What I meant really is 'they itch' with 'genocidal fever' to find holdouts and the force is so overwhelming with manpower, technology and so on, it seems there is no place to hide from 'them.' Heat signatures are very hard to hide.

[rubbertramp]

your catching on. 150,000 able bodied, and growing daily. they are now inviting other nations and pueblos, from inside the us.
anyhow, some may be interested in this.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=+elders+speak&search_type=&aq=f

[thrashbassist]

Not to mention that if they get their way, all wilderness in America will become an unauthorized zone for the masses, and kill squads will be constantly sweeping them overhead. Even if you live nomadically, your chances of getting caught are pretty good. Of course, that's no excuse not to try. It's better than getting incinerated in a prison camp, or dying in your cell-like apartment in the overcrowded cities like a caged rat.

[rubbertramp]

26,000 square miles. and that just one nation.

[JBS]

Not to mention that if they get their way, all wilderness in America will become an unauthorized zone for the masses, and kill squads will be constantly sweeping them overhead. Even if you live nomadically, your chances of getting caught are pretty good. Of course, that's no excuse not to try. It's better than getting incinerated in a prison camp, or dying in your cell-like apartment in the overcrowded cities like a caged rat.

Exactly right.

[rubbertramp]

hmmmmmm, f**k the helicopters, doesn't anyone here understand what insurgency means. we're talking area. are like afganistan. anyways, i've been trying to clue this board in on some of what's happening. but doesn't seem like anyone cares. let's just whine about our debt instead. i can't believe some of what i read here. like the homeless thread. file bankruptcy, find out where the food banks are. there was a couple of great theads though, one i started about firearms and another that was bumped about weapons.
i gotta run, i'll be back shortly to continue this rant. but think about it 98% of this board are complaining about what they're doing to us. we need to start contemplating WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO THEM. or yes the wilderness closing and black helicopters will get you.

[Pheonix Renewed]

But the question is, will they take in 'outsiders'?

[rubbertramp]

But the question is, will they take in 'outsiders'?

My word, a question! the answer is yes! but not all, if your whining about dept, and wondering where you can cash in your food stamps, no.
it's time folks, i went from owing 100k to 0, it took 3 years, but it was one of my highest priorities next to preparedness. i'm reading the homeless thread and working on my V8 Vega, had it since the 70's, and yes, i'm selling that also. so i''l be back soon.

[sickofwar]

infrared satellites will pick them up in about an hour, helicopters arrive with blackwater exterminators in 3 or 4 hours. Sorry I had to pee on your parade.

There are a few ways around this, think space blankets and neoprene.

[rubbertramp]

There are a few ways around this, think space blankets and neoprene.

Yea, another brother/ sister. what we need to realize is there's still millions like those in the homeless thread who have one eye open but are part of the system they hate. this is a major problem in america. bitch, bitch, bitch, but where's the line for foodstamps. aw, when the shit hits the fan the homeless shelter will feed me. wtf, if the grocery store shelves are empty do you really think the shelters will have food! these people will die if they lose electricity and thier fridge no longer works.

oh, did anyone watch the elder vids i linked to. did you notice the subliminal message in the first one? the chemtrail!

[Pheonix Renewed]

What I want is to become independent of all the systems. I'm already starting to do gardening, and learning how to use solar power so that I won't even care when the electrical grid crashes.

But I feel there's going to come a time when my husband and I may part ways completely. I believe he'll be one clamouring to get a vaccine when the pandemic starts, and he'll be insisting that we do a great many things that I will flat out refuse... like going to the FEMA camp.

I am working, behind his back (though I love him dearly, I truly do, but I can't wait for him to come around, there just isn't the luxury), to prepare for the "big event" when our economy collapses.

if I end up going there, I'll be coming in with absolutely nothing but myself and my daughter and some seeds, and a bit of knowledge that I've worked hard to gain. I don't know what else to do, but I know that it'll be almost impossible for me and my daughter to survive on our own, and my husband won't survive-- he doesn't care enough to take care of himself, and he believes in the mainstream doctors/media.

Any way I can think of to get "free" of this situation depends upon me going back into the system- get a job, etc. Right now, I see it as "my job" to learn everything I can about how to survive in a failed economy, how to garden and grow things, how to live without electrical grid power, etc.

I don't feel afraid, so much as I feel lost and don't know what to do.

[sickofwar]

Yea, another brother/ sister. what we need to realize is there's still millions like those in the homeless thread who have one eye open but are part of the system they hate. this is a major problem in america. bitch, bitch, bitch, but where's the line for foodstamps. aw, when the shit hits the fan the homeless shelter will feed me. wtf, if the grocery store shelves are empty do you really think the shelters will have food! these people will die if they lose electricity and thier fridge no longer works.

oh, did anyone watch the elder vids i linked to. did you notice the subliminal message in the first one? the chemtrail!

 You, you, mean the loverment wont save us. I have been wanting to walk of the farm for a while now, need a few more supplies. I am mad as hell and am not going to take it any more.

[rubbertramp]

I don't feel afraid, so much as I feel lost and don't know what to do.

Now, people like you and your daughter will be helped when the time comes. it's ok to be part of the system while trying to prepare your self, but relying on the system is a completely different story. in our book, women and children and our elders come first. i will give your daughter my last dried food pack, i can eat a freakin' cactus if i need to.

[GoingEtheric]

sovereign? lol . In the belly of the NWO? Not bloody likely. no one's 'sovereign', not even the klan gringo.

[lord edward coke]

What I want is to become independent of all the systems. I'm already starting to do gardening, and learning how to use solar power so that I won't even care when the electrical grid crashes.

But I feel there's going to come a time when my husband and I may part ways completely. I believe he'll be one clamouring to get a vaccine when the pandemic starts, and he'll be insisting that we do a great many things that I will flat out refuse... like going to the FEMA camp.

I am working, behind his back (though I love him dearly, I truly do, but I can't wait for him to come around, there just isn't the luxury), to prepare for the "big event" when our economy collapses.

if I end up going there, I'll be coming in with absolutely nothing but myself and my daughter and some seeds, and a bit of knowledge that I've worked hard to gain. I don't know what else to do, but I know that it'll be almost impossible for me and my daughter to survive on our own, and my husband won't survive-- he doesn't care enough to take care of himself, and he believes in the mainstream doctors/media.

Any way I can think of to get "free" of this situation depends upon me going back into the system- get a job, etc. Right now, I see it as "my job" to learn everything I can about how to survive in a failed economy, how to garden and grow things, how to live without electrical grid power, etc.

I don't feel afraid, so much as I feel lost and don't know what to do.

anything from ragnar benson is top shelf . http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=benson+ragnar&tag=yahhyd-20&index=stripbooks&hvadid=28902636511&ref=pd_sl_3bllg85upf_e
     although you might find cheaper at ebay.
     if you want hands on schooling non better than George Gordon. http://georgegordon.org/Classes.htm#100,000
   he has a class on survival and living off the land.          

[sickofwar]

Now, people like you and your daughter will be helped when the time comes. it's ok to be part of the system while trying to prepare your self, but relying on the system is a completely different story. in our book, women and children and our elders come first. i will give your daughter my last dried food pack, i can eat a freakin' cactus if i need to.

Sorry had to ask, is your nation north or south.

[rubbertramp]

sovereign? lol . In the belly of the NWO? Not bloody likely. no one's 'sovereign', not even the klan gringo.

cool, one down, you are the enemy. did you even read this thread before dropping your 2 cents in the gutter? that copper was worth something.