Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[TheNatural]

Silver half dollars used to be $4-5, now I think it's more like $10.

Got a couple on an auction for less than $6 a piece. Coin dealers here have them for around $10. It's a pitty about the Silver dollars here which doesn't seem to go for less than $34. Only 3 months ago it was just about $20. I heard on the AJ show that gold and silver coins are getting harder to get. For those of you who don't yet know, go out and get some. Silver is in particular cheap.

[phenry]

 I looked in the rules and didn't see anything about sharing this so here goes- this is a very informative site about getting prepared-www.frugalsquirrels.com
 also to scaredmullatoe- I've been living aboard/cruising for about 20 years and it's great, although much easier (and fun) in a warm climate, but I would think it would be better to follow user111's advice.
 The reasons being-
 you're less of a target
 no bad storms
 no seasickness
 easier to garden
 can store more food
 fewer LEO's
 can have rabbits, and chickens
 easier to defend a land location,better cover
 can travel faster
 unsinkable
 easier to conceal
 better laws- LEO's can board and search a boat at any time with no warrant
 you could probably sell your boat for enough to get some land/house? around user111 
 
 just a few thoughts on the subject, although the boat life can be pretty great (especially in the Keys )

[70983]

I looked in the rules and didn't see anything about sharing this so here goes- this is a very informative site about getting prepared-www.frugalsquirrels.com
 also to scaredmullatoe- I've been living aboard/cruising for about 20 years and it's great, although much easier (and fun) in a warm climate, but I would think it would be better to follow user111's advice.
 The reasons being-
 you're less of a target
 no bad storms
 no seasickness
 easier to garden
 can store more food
 fewer LEO's
 can have rabbits, and chickens
 easier to defend a land location,better cover
 can travel faster
 unsinkable
 easier to conceal
 better laws- LEO's can board and search a boat at any time with no warrant
 you could probably sell your boat for enough to get some land/house? around user111 
 
 just a few thoughts on the subject, although the boat life can be pretty great (especially in the Keys )

Doing that is taking a dangerous bet that the feds wont come to your house

I am convinced that they will not leave ONE house unsearched, pillaged, etc.

[70983]

And for those of you with my philosophy...I recommend one of these babies:

http://www.ghilliesuitsource.com/

[rubbertramp]

Ooops, posted something similar.

Anyhow, i still need to stash more food.
I'm a survivalist though, as long as i've got my pack, water filter, M1A and ammo, 45 and ammo, first aid kit etc.......
I can just walk out in the woods and live. my biggest worry is the poisoning of wild game and fish. If this stuff dies off i could be screwed. i've only got about 6months of dried food and stuff stashed.

[70983]

Ooops, posted something similar.

Anyhow, i still need to stash more food.
I'm a survivalist though, as long as i've got my pack, water filter, M1A and ammo, 45 and ammo, first aid kit etc.......
I can just walk out in the woods and live. my biggest worry is the poisoning of wild game and fish. If this stuff dies off i could be screwed. i've only got about 6months of dried food and stuff stashed.

Thats the way to do it man.  Get a book of the local flora and fauna and you should be able to find edible plants and fungi

[rubbertramp]

Yes, but if the game and fish are poisoned who's to say plants and stuff will fair better.
There's warnings right now not to eat any fish in the entire colorado river, including the big lakes.

[TimeLady]

And for those of you with my philosophy...I recommend one of these babies:

http://www.ghilliesuitsource.com/

Finally, the mystery of Bigfoot has been solved!

[70983]

Yes, but if the game and fish are poisoned who's to say plants and stuff will fair better.
There's warnings right now not to eat any fish in the entire colorado river, including the big lakes.

its better than groveling to some thug cop in a soup line

[rubbertramp]

its better than groveling to some thug cop in a soup line

yup, i think i'd resort to eating dogs and cats before i go there.

[adissenter2]

be prepared to spend most of your time finding water, unless you prepare to an alternative method of pumping it without being connected to the grid

[user111]

User 70983,,,I strongly disagree with your notion that the Feds will search every house.
First off,they do not have and never will have the manpower,the  Fed numbers verses citizens ratio shows that clearly,even if NATO were brought to this country to do it's bidding for them.There is simply not enough bodies to do it.
And there are way,way,way to many poeple that would/will die if they head off to what they percieve as a wilderness area to live and survive.They just don't have the skills period,even if they think they do,because they have been camping every weekend for years,,,,,,,bringing with them all the needs and comforts of the city and home,IE: They have no idea of survival period.Read the postings on any site and they all read the same,I have 1 month,I have 6 months of food etc.,,,,meaning no survival skills.
And these people will eventually be caught because they would/will leave that "wilderness" or they will be found because of the pure stupidity related to non-survival skills.And I say stupidity because anyone that tries to survive out there/here with no survival skills will die or be caught or surrender,either way it leads down the same street.
No 70983.they best way for these and so many more to survive,is to hide in the open so to speak.To find a small town in a relatively unpopulated state where they can have that 1 to 6 months of their so called food supplies and be able to stretch it by raising a garden,chickens,a hog,a cow etc,and have a horse for transportation possibly.Where they will be living amongst others like themselves.Where they can hone their survival skills from their small town living and then make that transition to the wilderness if they NEEDED to,and be better prepared to survive.
IE: they are then teaching/training themselves to sustain themselves,because even if,and I say IF,the Feds ever came to that small town,it will be longgggg after the major cities have been conquered and that in itself will take time,which is something these inexperienced wildnerness wannabees will need,and if they are smart,will excercise this gift of time.
As I have said previously,if not,then they won't make it in my world and actually deserve what ever is handed to them,however crude that may seem.
Because at that time,they will become somewhat like me,,,,a rung or two down the food chain in so many words.
I appreciate your posting and respect your opinion,but you lack the simple military skills that denote that what your saying is highly unlikely to happen.Our military is stretched paper thin now,and worldwide,other NATO militaries will/would be stratched even thinner,not to mention the deserters here in our own country if this ever happened,,,,,meaning no where near enough man power,ever.

[yanaar]

If you have never "lived" in the back country, it's very unwise to pack up and go back.  Visiting there and living there are two very different things.  And you should never pack into country that you don't already know thouroughly. 

Consider your strengths.  What do you know?  Computers?  Each other?  Stay with what you know well, and get very creative about how to use your strongest knowledge to survive. 

But, it's not time to hit the panic button.  Bush & co are sooo f**ed.  They botched their "big event," (only two planes hit target,) they're way late on their easy "quick-in-quick-out" strategy for securing Iraq, and still hassling about Iran.  The intel world is watching as they keep shooting themselves in the foot.  They're too stupid to realize that they do not have the manpower to enforce martial law.  Be smart.  You know how to survive with the skills that you already have.

[dystopia]

User 70983,,,I strongly disagree with your notion that the Feds will search every house.
First off,they do not have and never will have the manpower,the  Fed numbers verses citizens ratio shows that clearly,even if NATO were brought to this country to do it's bidding for them.There is simply not enough bodies to do it.
And there are way,way,way to many poeple that would/will die if they head off to what they percieve as a wilderness area to live and survive.They just don't have the skills period,even if they think they do,because they have been camping every weekend for years,,,,,,,bringing with them all the needs and comforts of the city and home,IE: They have no idea of survival period.Read the postings on any site and they all read the same,I have 1 month,I have 6 months of food etc.,,,,meaning no survival skills.
And these people will eventually be caught because they would/will leave that "wilderness" or they will be found because of the pure stupidity related to non-survival skills.And I say stupidity because anyone that tries to survive out there/here with no survival skills will die or be caught or surrender,either way it leads down the same street.
No 70983.they best way for these and so many more to survive,is to hide in the open so to speak.To find a small town in a relatively unpopulated state where they can have that 1 to 6 months of their so called food supplies and be able to stretch it by raising a garden,chickens,a hog,a cow etc,and have a horse for transportation possibly.Where they will be living amongst others like themselves.Where they can hone their survival skills from their small town living and then make that transition to the wilderness if they NEEDED to,and be better prepared to survive.
IE: they are then teaching/training themselves to sustain themselves,because even if,and I say IF,the Feds ever came to that small town,it will be longgggg after the major cities have been conquered and that in itself will take time,which is something these inexperienced wildnerness wannabees will need,and if they are smart,will excercise this gift of time.
As I have said previously,if not,then they won't make it in my world and actually deserve what ever is handed to them,however crude that may seem.
Because at that time,they will become somewhat like me,,,,a rung or two down the food chain in so many words.
I appreciate your posting and respect your opinion,but you lack the simple military skills that denote that what your saying is highly unlikely to happen.Our military is stretched paper thin now,and worldwide,other NATO militaries will/would be stratched even thinner,not to mention the deserters here in our own country if this ever happened,,,,,meaning no where near enough man power,ever.

qft

The voice of reason here. Feds not gonna toss every house, they're outnumbered. What they'll do is play divide and conquer and use people's needs to control them.

Turn your gun in for a few cans of stew.

Get this implant so you can get food easier without waiting, etc.

They'll only go after what sticks out as a threat to them.

[lord edward coke]

tshtf    on april 27 2008   ----martial law

[yanaar]

tshtf    on april 27 2008   ----martial law

source?

[70983]

tshtf    on april 27 2008   ----martial law

What is that supposed to mean

[TimeLady]

tshtf    on april 27 2008   ----martial law

huh?

[liko]

You can run to the hills or hideout,we're you'll be hunted down by psychopaths with awesome technology(or robbed by rouge gangs trying to survive) and killed like dogs,one by one, that's exactly what these pigs want.We need to make to make grass roots decisions now (tradesmen accepting barter for work,store owners accepting barter etc etc....)try to avoid buying goods that we don't really need or from china etc... or accepting when you here someone say"i don't care,I'll be dead by then" you need to say "you make me sick" you selfish git.I'm telling you now ,when the "crap does hit the fan" its over!.As Alan Watts said"if one quarter of this legislation gets of the ground,it will be worse than living in The Soviet Union or Nazi Germany Combined! this is the Legislation that Nero would have drooled over".

[Rock]

I am going to put this thread together with the rest of the new survival threads.



Rock

[Amd304912]

mind if i up a torrent link of survival ebooks

[Rock]

link away



Rock

[70983]

mind if i up a torrent link of survival ebooks

please do

[Amd304912]

link away



Rock

make sure dht: turned on. theres a little clip of the staged gulf of iran incedent. it has mainly pdf and txt lit, on survival etc. it has military handbooks as well as creative resources. all info is info purpose only.

anti-fascist unity.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/18/901039/Table%20Of%20Contents.nfo
 
http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/3/18/901039/Books.torrent

[BeebopGalt]

How do you open a torrent file?

[ES]

If you get wounded or break a leg you will need a painkiller to help. You can make a very strong opiate tea with legal poppy bulbs that you can order from the internet or get at a flower shop. What you do is 1. crack the poppy bulb and empty out the seeds. 2. shred the bulbs into as fine a powder as you can. 3. Heat water till it simmers not boils. 4. Add the shredded poppies to the water and let them soak for about 20 minutes. 5. Strain the poppy pulp out and save the water. 6. Drink the water and it will have the effect of codeine or vikidin. Be careful because this is a powerful drug. Only use it when necessary.

[Amd304912]

How do you open a torrent file?

open in azareus
or i use bearshare premium p2p

you can drag and drop 2

[chris d.]

If you have never "lived" in the back country, it's very unwise to pack up and go back.  Visiting there and living there are two very different things.  And you should never pack into country that you don't already know thouroughly. 

Consider your strengths.  What do you know?  Computers?  Each other?  Stay with what you know well, and get very creative about how to use your strongest knowledge to survive. 

But, it's not time to hit the panic button.  Bush & co are sooo f**ed.  They botched their "big event," (only two planes hit target,) they're way late on their easy "quick-in-quick-out" strategy for securing Iraq, and still hassling about Iran.  The intel world is watching as they keep shooting themselves in the foot.  They're too stupid to realize that they do not have the manpower to enforce martial law.  Be smart.  You know how to survive with the skills that you already have.

The first part of what you stated about botching 9/11 I concur with but the wars in the middle east I think you are incorrect.  Having fought in Iraq I can tell you matter of factly that there is no intention to win that war.  That is the win.  The longer th Bush and company can keep the war going the faster they can suck the wealth from the middle class and keep many misplaced patriots away from the real fights and the real issues. 

I recomend getting a hold of a number of military field manuals to provide insight in how to survive and what an urban war entails.  Of especial interest are manuals on escape and evasion.  There are numerous exapmples of how to make quick shelters that can be hard to detect as well as means to apply first aid without proper medicine.  It is useful to understand the tatics of an urban   environment.  The most difficult military environment is the urban environment.  The accepted casualty rate is staggering to hear.  It will be nearly impossible to handle the streetwise in the ghettos.  They are masters of of hiding and moving objects from the police. 

Sometimes the best way to hide and destroy is to sacrefice yourself and hide and destroy the machine from with in it. 

Having searched hundreds of houses in Baghdad for illegal weapons and material one of the best ways to avoid detection is to have hidden panels and numerous closets packed with junk.  After tiring days it is difficult to go through another human's personal effects.  Also I recomend using your mind creatively.  For instance, get some of those vials that smell of rot and stink and if you know you will be searched soon,(as many of the Iraqies did before we came to their homes), poor it on a bunch of old clothing in a packed closet of junk.  That will bring down the morale of the troops.  It might cause them to over look or hasten their search. 

 

[dystopia]

Man I'll just say if I had to run to the hills for the rest of my life in my own country in some fictitious scenario - say the Chinese hated our freedom and needed more room to make their widgets - I'd consider myself a coward.

Truth is I'm not brave, just too damn pampered and lazy. I'd rather eventually get shot and die tomorrow after a warm shower than bust my ass and get all blistered up and live to be 80 eating wild berries. Sounds pretty gross to me, dying only takes a minute if you're lucky.

I don't like being outside much longer than it takes to walk from one building to the next and I sunburn real easy just driving to work.

Not saying I'm better than anybody else cuz I'm not, I just question what is the point of all this effort. Really that afraid to just suck it up and be satisfied with a few notches on your belt?

Something to think about, I mean is that what your forfathers did? Run and hide the rest of their lives?

At first it appears a contradiction to what I've said earlier about blending in but the only purpose of blending in would be to be more effective in resisting those dirty, dirty Chinamen.

Or would you mount some kind of valiant attack using your AKs from the safety of the wild?

I think it's a legitimate question.

[Iceberg]

I just read every post in this thread. All well meaning, and much good info.

And, of course, everyone should be prepared for emergencies.

But a lot of this is pretty close to lunacy.

First, what is with all the fear? Are you Americans or field mice?

Martial law? Concentration camps? pfff...

There are 330 million of us. 65% of us have firearms. And we ain't giving them up.
Come get some.

Haven't you watched TV in the past five years? 15 million Iraqis just fought the combined military forces of the USA and England to a stand still. Good luck taking on 200 million armed and angry Americans. The Blackwater boys won't last 24 hrs. Good luck bagging even one if you go out looking for them. All dead and gone before lunch time on day one. Ask any Iraq war vet how brave they are. They are only in it for the pay check. Think they are willing to die for their bosses? Again, pfff.

If you aren't mentally or physically prepared to actively engage, just stay home, it will be over in a day. Not to mention, US soldiers fight and die to protect us. Pity the fool that tells them they have to shoot grandma. Fragging time in the blink of an eye. For goodness sake, have a little faith in your countrymen.

Marie Antoinette said (not really, it's a fable) "Let them eat cake."
And they did...hers. (That part isn't a fable.)

East Germany had the biggest per capita secret police force in the world. The people had no weapons. 48hrs later, no more police state, no more STAZI. Sticks and stones really do break bones.

In Russia, the Soviet Commissars called the tanks into Moscow to protect them from the outraged citizens. The tankers took one look at the mob and spun their turrets around and started shelling the gov't.

That being said however, hard times are coming. Get six months of non perishable staples (in rodent proof Rubbermaid storage containers) and water. Good first aid kit, antibiotics and a good first aid manual. If you are proficient with firearms, good. Gear up. Otherwise, don't worry about it.

It's the corporations and their never ending greed that are killing our way of life.
All the comments herein on how to reduce your dependency on them are worth careful consideration. Every penny you can stop giving them weakens them. Plant a garden. Go solar. Stop eating crap processed food that is killing you. Join a food coop. Vote every one of the sold out whores in DC out of office.

But city folks running around in the woods with firearms with no hunting or camping experience? That is truly a scary thought. More of them would die, and die miserably, than will those who stand their ground.

Our ancestors built this nation, without electricity, without gasoline, or cars, or computers, or fast food joints. We will rebuild it, from the ground up with our bare hands if necessary. Hard times? Yes. The end of times? No.

I am you neighbor.
I am you brother.
There are millions of me, in every city and town in this country.
And I will not stand idly by and watch anyone do you harm.

STOP LIVING IN FEAR. It is freaking unAmerican.

[ES]

I think it really depends on the city you live in.  A city in the south would be in a much better situation than one like NYC where its so densely populated with a majority of the population living in buildings instead of houses.  a place like miami where only a small percentage of people live in high rises and a majority of the population has a backyard each block could essentially work as a co-op.  each family on the block grows a couple of items and they trade with each other.  i know my father lives there with most of my family and he has two hens (eggs are always in stock), he has tomatoes, pineapples, oregano, bell peppers, aloe, avocado, plaintain, small bananas, culantro, a couple of rabbits (good stew for those who've never had it), and yams.  its a regular house in a lower middle class neighborhood.  he already trades avocadoes for papaya that a neighbor down the block grows.  and for coconuts that another one grows (my father's puerto rican, one of the neighbors is haitian and the other is from trinidad - all were raised in their countries and are used to growing fruits/herbs).

and remember its WE the PEOPLE, not I by MYSELF.  I rather deal with some of the headaches other people bring and get to enjoy some fun you can have with them as well.  just will take working with others.  plus people tend to be easier to work with when their survival is at stake.

I think the south is where to go if the shtf. Why the hell would you go north? So you can freeze in the winter. I'll be going down south for sure. I hear people are friendly down there too. 

[user111]

ES,,,Well,cause the south is where they are gonna expect people to go,and hell,their already going there and have been for years,for the reasons you mentioned,it's warmer,better in the winter,,uh huh,,and hotter in the summer.
Nope,I disagree with you,and without sounding to brash,am happy for your decision which means less people where I am to have to worry about,which is where it get's very cold in winter,and there is alot less people,no gang violence as is seen in the south and will get much worse,no health problems to the extent you see and will see more of in the south due to the definate seasons and cold,IE: germs can't survive as well here.
And "We The People" is a very nice thought,but there is no way I want to be around a group of people with NO survival skills if the shit hits the fan,because they will sell each other out quicker than a blue light special at K Mart for a mere meal.
Just look at society today and the corporate ladder climbers and rudeness and tell me when these people are threatened with hunger,sleeping on the ground/floor and being made to keep moving with no bathing etc. and the constant fear of their lives,,,you gonna tell me you trust these folks enough to be a part of that?.All it's gonna take for them to sell you out is a big Neon FEMA sign that says "Vacancy".
Noooo,I think one would be better off to put their desire and skills with someone more inclined to be able to do the same,,,SURVIVE.So why not go north,learn those skills now and cut lots of firewood,and more wood,and then some more.
Mark my words,the last place these whatever you want to call them,,are going to look is some backwoods cabin with a little smoke coming out the stove pipe for a few people when it's cold and snowing,,,when they can be down south wearing T shirts and picking them off like fish in a tank.
At the very least as I have posted before,that little cabin in the middle of no where WILL BE THE LAST PLACE THEY WILL TAKE THEIR TIME ON,and by that time,you will have honed you skills on your turf to be far better than theirs and can move on knowing you will be ok,besides,if they get to that point of seeking out that little cabin,then they have already taken the rest of the world and their only there because they have way to much time on their hands.

[TimeLady]

If you can feel you can hack it, there are dozens of ghost towns in North Dakota you can hide out in.

I read about it in an issue of National Geographic a few months ago.

[user111]

Hey Time Lady?,Do you remeber what issue that was so maybe I can try to pull it up online?.
I have a friend that lives in ND,and he says those smaller towns are dying,but he doesn't know of any "ghost" towns.
I didn't live where I am,that would sure be my second choice.Cheap houses,far from anything like a major city.I still think it's an excellent choice for someone in the lower 48 with little to no survival skills.

[TimeLady]

January 2008

[user111]

thankyou Timelady,I'll check it out

[zafada]

I learned about the whole outdoor survival thing.  I so good at it that eventually I was making crossbows completely out of wood and vines...literally.  Very strong string can be made out of the fibers of strings, and pine pitch can be used as glue or even as wax for a candle.  You can make bread out of acorns after filtering the bitterness in a stream, you can eat prickly pears, and there are wild onions, potatoes, carrots, etc all over the northeast area.  There is mint and a loaded variety of other herbs.  Mushrooms too and the majority are edible however there are still a hell of a lot that are poinsonous and attack your liver in an hour til your dead.

The bows I made out of a young sapling which I shaved down with a rock until it was the proper shape.  The first few had knots in the trees so usually the bow is weak near those areas so it was trial and error for about a year of trying.  I made a hatchet out of a shoulder blade of a deer and I made shelter out of a pine tree which actually kept the rain out and all that fun stuff.

Man, just being out in nature every single day without seeing a human is so....quiet.  There's really nothing more beautiful.  Just imagine how natural our habitats would look if we went back to those roots?  Everything looks so dirty in towns and cities.  Everything has vinyl siding and metal doorknobs, plastic mailboxes, etc.  Everything is blue, yellow, green, red...all artificial, clashing colors and patterns..bleh.

There are a billion more things that are useful in the wild too.  Like cattails for instance.  The tubers are edible and you can actually use the stalk to brush your teeth.  There is also something else around here which is supposedly a stem off of sugarcane where you can take the goo that comes out of it and use it to numb your gums or whatever if you have a toothache.

Oh, making spears is the most fun.  I used to catch crayfish with the spears I'd make and sometimes a few fish.  Fire is even easy to make believe it or not.  The whole rubbing two sticks together actually works..however there's a process that involves oxygenating the wood threads and using a small bow to speed up the process...

Fun 

[70983]

I've come to a realization...sure staying out in the wild and all is a surefire way to save your own hide if it all comes down.  But, i've decided i'm not in this for me.  If the shtf I want to be in the action; our forefathers didn't win over this country by hidin' out in the woods and killing grizzly bears.  They took action.  If everyone bugs out to the mountains we will all be easily killed, sooner or later.  The only way they can lose is if we unite as one army of truth seekers, and stand up to their bs.  If that means I have to die for my beliefs, then so be it, but I will not go down without a fight.

[PatriotX]

And it all starts with us not complying to their RFID privacy incursions.


Patriot X

[GiveMeLiberty]

I think it really depends on the city you live in.  A city in the south would be in a much better situation than one like NYC where its so densely populated with a majority of the population living in buildings instead of houses.  a place like miami where only a small percentage of people live in high rises and a majority of the population has a backyard each block could essentially work as a co-op.  each family on the block grows a couple of items and they trade with each other.  i know my father lives there with most of my family and he has two hens (eggs are always in stock), he has tomatoes, pineapples, oregano, bell peppers, aloe, avocado, plaintain, small bananas, culantro, a couple of rabbits (good stew for those who've never had it), and yams.  its a regular house in a lower middle class neighborhood.  he already trades avocadoes for papaya that a neighbor down the block grows.  and for coconuts that another one grows (my father's puerto rican, one of the neighbors is haitian and the other is from trinidad - all were raised in their countries and are used to growing fruits/herbs).

and remember its WE the PEOPLE, not I by MYSELF.  I rather deal with some of the headaches other people bring and get to enjoy some fun you can have with them as well.  just will take working with others.  plus people tend to be easier to work with when their survival is at stake.

I think that 'growing your own' is important. The people who will tend a garden will prosper best.