Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[chirhonius]

Start with these for a Bug out bag

1 wk of freeze dried food and water.
Flashlights with spare batteries (get a really high quality light and make sure its water tight)
Waterproof matches
Water filtration kit and chlorine quick tabs
Magnesium firestarter
Knife and Leatherman pliers
Small roll of plastic bags (many uses)
Can opener
Portable GPS system or maps of your area
12V auto Water Boiler - to boil water
12V auto DC-AC Inverter as large wattage as you need
Duck Tape
Foldable Shovel/Pick Tool (mil surplus store)
Set of warm clothes
AA battery to Cell phone pocket charger for your phone (or  solar / car / cell phone charger)  Its good to use the same plug for both your GPS and cell phone- I use mini-usb for both my gps and motorola phone
CB radio/scanner in your car or a portable one in your pack.

[blind_sided]

isn't NWO just global organized crime? you should practice equal hate....

and ya... times are going to be rough but Wal-mart isn't going anywhere and stores will be open...

watching cnbc, bloomberg and the rest... .they are painting a grime future.. UK GDP will most likely be negative
for 2008 and 2009 and growth rates like we are used to won't return for 5 years...
IMF, 2009/2010 recovery will start..... and it will be slow ... that is the START.. not be like it was yesterday.
now most of the hosts are trying to paint the picture of they( the states around the world) need to step
in and qwell this bank madness, they are even debating if the US would step and and buy stocks across
the board on the S&P 500, stating this is not the american way and they don't see it with the current
administration but possibly with a democrat in the whitehouse it could happen.  They also seem to pumping
bs of false financial system like they always have... they don't want it to come cause this is
what these networks and all their banking friends got rich off of the past 25years... they will call for
bailouts till their cameras and news desk are being repo'd by the same banks they want the govts of the world
to help....

Now the guest have a different take... STEP BACK GOVT.. let the weak fail and the strong take hold and
the longer you prevent the longer the real bottom will never be realized and the markets know this is the case
and the sell off will continue.  they also speak to the fact hyperinflation will be the eventual fallout.  the guest on these
shows seem to have it right... they are saying its going to be bad for years.... not weeks or months and the one
quote was for the G7 this weekend to just go down to the bar and have a drink because nothing they do will
matter, its far too late... months ago they should have started removing the toxic assets if they wanted to prevent this.

both sides the reality is starting to show that this is going to be bad for a long time...

Remember America is the only place in the world where the poor and homeless are FAT.... so don't fret to much!
this is a reality, I'm not bashing the poor for eating to much...  

this will be a period of extreme mediocrity in America... We are going to be broke but we will eat and
we will survive.  Our material possessions will not survive this though.  There are one million things in
your current life you take for granted and by the end of this economic period you will learn the name
of every single one of them as you are forced to give them up...

crime will rise, drugs and liquor will be abused, but most people are good and will come together.
it won't take long before people start dropping their petty differences for the common good of each other
because it won't be long before that is all that matters when life becomes devoid of most other things.

i hate to see anyone suffer. I don't want to see this happen. But its not all doom and gloom..
I am positive for the future. most of us don't deserve it but we all gotta face it... its a reality
check of massive proportions in a way...

oh ya... buy as much food as you can.... i've waited far to long to up supplies.
but my needs are only rice,beans and water.  well peanut butter if I am lucky.. I am not going
to try preserve my current way of life ... I'm going for longevity in the case of long food shortages.
and yes I have alternate means of cooking without fuel...

I have survived on a rice diet before... its not so bad cept watching everyone else eat hamburgers
and ice cream.... this time I doubt I'll have that problem..  

[blind_sided]

do what you can afford... you can never be over prepared for the unknown.

[national732]

  Lots of good posts in this thread.   

[HYDROGENPAL]

I have been doing google maps on big bend national park this is where i have been making plans to escape to.
for all in texas.
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=d&hl=en&f=d&iwstate1=dir:to&daddr=TX-118,+Uninc+Brewster+County,+Texas+(Big+Bend+National+Park)&geocode=CdJ4pk0GYCHPFeQFvwEdlqrU-Q&iwloc=1&dq=big+bend+national+santa+elena&cid=14450016618084994698&ei=t4fvSNSxGpjoiwOj3o3YCA

[Rock]

Friends...................Buy spam, put the cans in plastic zip lock bags.  Bury them all over the places you want to escape.  Make sure they are three feet deep so animals will not dig them up.


Get a solar light package ($40.00).  You need light for about everything at night. 

Buy a Firebird lighter ( http://www.elighters.com/cofili.html )and two big refill bottles.  It will burn wet leaves until they ketch fire.


Boy I wish I could tell you all the things I have done in the last two months to get ready for the banks closing.


Get ready friends.


PS.  Gas and food will be the way they will call you to slavery.


Rock

[HYDROGENPAL]

Friends...................Buy spam, put the cans in plastic zip lock bags.  Bury them all over the places you want to escape.  Make sure they are three feet deep so animals will not dig them up.


Get a solar light package ($40.00).  You need light for about everything at night. 

Buy a Firebird lighter ( http://www.elighters.com/cofili.html )and two big refill bottles.  It will burn wet leaves until they ketch fire.


Boy I wish I could tell you all the things I have done in the last two months to get ready for the banks closing.


Get ready friends.


PS.  Gas and food will be the way they will call you to slavery.


Rock

please rock go on give us more details I have been buying spam as much as possible along with dried beans and rice.
powdered milk, i have small batteries and soalr poanel to charge them so i can have light and make my colloidal silver.
I have an ultra light survivale backpack. got berkey filters,

What else ROck?

[Rock]

please rock go on give us more details I have been buying spam as much as possible along with dried beans and rice.
powdered milk, i have small batteries and soalr poanel to charge them so i can have light and make my colloidal silver.
I have an ultra light survivale backpack. got berkey filters,

What else ROck?

At Sams you can buy sleeping bags ($50.00) with memory foam for 20F.  Get a small camo tent that 4 people can barely squeeze in.  You will keep your heat up.

Lots of Whiskey - alcohol will be gold when the banks close.

Head lamps (LED lights with red light).  Red light will last 100 hours.  So if you use it 15 minutes at a time how long would that last?

Berky sport filter

Castile soap.  It only takes a little to make huge bottles of disinfectant.  And it is natural.



Thats just a few things


Rock

[awestruck]

Hi there. I'm an 18 year old with no previous gun experience. With the coming collapse, and martial law being imposed, I'm contemplating buying a firearm. I'm on a really tight budget as it is. Now I just can't seem to make up my mind. Should I really blow my small amount of savings on buying a weapon and getting training from an instructor (cop) at the local gun store? I understand where all of you gun owners are coming from, but really what is my little glock going to do against fully armed FEMA twats? I'm just looking for your views and opinions before I blow my hard earned cash. thanks

[TruthDoesntFear]

get a kel-tec plr-16, i personally view it as the perfect american urban assault weapon for private defense

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/plr16.htm

[IridiumKEPfactor]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/New_Long_Guns.html

409.00





1000 rounds for 180.00

[Rock]

Hi there. I'm an 18 year old with no previous gun experience. With the coming collapse, and martial law being imposed, I'm contemplating buying a firearm. I'm on a really tight budget as it is. Now I just can't seem to make up my mind. Should I really blow my small amount of savings on buying a weapon and getting training from an instructor (cop) at the local gun store? I understand where all of you gun owners are coming from, but really what is my little glock going to do against fully armed FEMA twats? I'm just looking for your views and opinions before I blow my hard earned cash. thanks

Only if you want to hunt.  Killing people is out of the question.  There are good people on both sides who have not woke up.  Win people over with reality.  The bad guys will be hurting from whats coming to.  They have family's.  They have friends.


Rock

[stymo1]

Only if you want to hunt.  Killing people is out of the question.  There are good people on both sides who have not woke up.  Win people over with reality.  The bad guys will be hurting from whats coming to.  They have family's.  They have friends.


Rock

I agree. I also believe posting pics of AK's and other assault type weapons on this forum may lead some to believe we are condoning violence, which we all know is untrue..... but a picture is worth a thousand words.
JMHO.

[enacae]

Hey there. I'm 37 and I am looking buying my first firearm also. I have had training though. Through the military and being from WV, handling weapons is second nature to me. I would like to hear the answers to this question myself. I don't think I would try to take on battle dressed FEMA or SWAT all on my own. I think banding together with people who think like you do and have more experience in surviving in situations that you might find yourself in. It's kind of funny though, I have never thought of buying a weapon up until now. I think that in itself is a wake up call, cause I never felt the need for weapon up until this point. God bless you brother. I believe I would only use a weapon only if it is in self defense for my family. Praying for all those out there. God Bless the USA!

[awestruck]

Yeah, I don't plan on taking anyones life ever. I'm a freaking hippy haha, but when it comes to mass civil unrest, and these supposed FEMA camps, well I'm not going.  Nothing more nothing less. For now though I'm going to refrain buying one, and focus on the essentials: food, clean water, etc.

[flanagan]

For now though I'm going to refrain buying one, and focus on the essentials: food, clean water, etc.

firearms are essential.

[aerborne]

Think of the polish underground during WW2.

No one intends to take on fema agents alone, but if we're ever in that kind of situation, it's not like it's going to be easy for FEMA either. We see the police videos of katrina and idaho and stuff that they're trying to condition us to think we couldn't win against that, but the reality is, cities and population centers are huge, and it would be infinately more dangerous for them in an us vs them situation, especially with us being armed even with small arms.

One underground resistance movement could end up toppling the whole thing, or at the very least, your chances of survival are alot better. Movies like Red Dawn, and the Polish underground in WW2 are closer to reality then any of the fake propaganda from the news. Have a gun for taking to the Shooting range, and a CCW for personal defense, and if there's ever tanks rolling through your city, you''ll probably get Red Dawn on them.

[bushido_aria]

For those without firearms, I'm 28 and I never had a firearm either.

As much as I hate to consider it, worst case scenario, there's always kitchen knives.

[bethanne]

Here are two links I find extremely useful for preparation.  One for EMP and the other for a 72 hour emergency kit (not the LDS one!)

http://www.aussurvivalist.com/nuclear/empprotection.htm
http://lds.about.com/od/preparednessfoodstorage/a/72hour_kit.htm

[HYDROGENPAL]

At Sams you can buy sleeping bags ($50.00) with memory foam for 20F.  Get a small camo tent that 4 people can barely squeeze in.  You will keep your heat up.

Lots of Whiskey - alcohol will be gold when the banks close.

Head lamps (LED lights with red light).  Red light will last 100 hours.  So if you use it 15 minutes at a time how long would that last?

Berky sport filter

Castile soap.  It only takes a little to make huge bottles of disinfectant.  And it is natural.



Thats just a few things


Rock

o man i tottal forgot about the sleeping bag i have the tent i will go get one `this weekend.
Also
i have been working on learing solar cooking very cheap and easy
http://solarcooking.org/

[lord edward coke]

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v283797P2xCwy87

[goetface]

Concerning whats going on all around us in this country, the very for real fact martial law is likely coming, the very real fact we have a rogue government that has been infiltrated, the very real fact its all closing up. I mean look, im not trying to be negative, infact i try to ignore it like everythings fine and it will get better, but I DONT KNOW. I dont even feel the drive to give my studying 100% or really commit to it right now cuz I feel like I should be involved in getting the word out and changing my government.....Damn....I just dont know, if the market collapses anytime soon, i think school will seriosly be done, I want to prepare, but I cant cuz I have no time or money, what the heck do I do?

[GlobalCordon]

Tool up with weapons to defend yourself, go stash a good quantity of foods that will not perish, Get yourself some military combat trousers and waterproof smock, Make a bug-out grab bag, Now go by some beer and sit back and wait for the  mayhem to start!

[lord edward coke]

What's up       http://www.vinylrecords.ch/S/SU/Supertramp/Crisis/crisis_what_crisis.htm       

[bushido_aria]

Concerning whats going on all around us in this country, the very for real fact martial law is likely coming, the very real fact we have a rogue government that has been infiltrated, the very real fact its all closing up. I mean look, im not trying to be negative, infact i try to ignore it like everythings fine and it will get better, but I DONT KNOW. I dont even feel the drive to give my studying 100% or really commit to it right now cuz I feel like I should be involved in getting the word out and changing my government.....Damn....I just dont know, if the market collapses anytime soon, i think school will seriosly be done, I want to prepare, but I cant cuz I have no time or money, what the heck do I do?

Goet, I feel your pain. I'm in the same boat. I've been eating out less and less. Driving less and purchasing storable food. I honestly don't think I'll be able to finish my degree (I would have graduated in 2011). It depresses me, but, here's what I've been thinking about. I'm thinking of deferring for a year. The schools will still be there. It's a question of do you want to be at the school when all of this hits the fan. My family is 2500 miles away. I'm still trying to wake them up. I have no clue what to do on the school front (my graduate degree) or basically chuck the whole idea of a graduate degree and then move back with my parents to convince them to get ready for this. Goet, I really do understand the rock and hard place you speak of. I have no real solutions for myself either.

I will add this, however. If I am not studying, then I am reading books on the NWO or the Fed or listening to Alan Watt or Alex Jones. And when I'm not doing that, then I'm fighting the infowar in some way, shape, or form. These three activities take up easily 90% of my (waking) time. The remaining time, well, I'll admit: I do play Dungeons & Dragons.

[Dekionplexis]

I've been stocking up on canned goods, 'just in case'.
Most canned soups will keep until 2010, sardines keep until 2013, great stuff. Plus some other stuff.

I've been telling friends and family to do likewise, though a few think I'm nuts.

I just wondered if anyone here is from the UK and if so what measures have you made?

[nme_of_state]

I started reading some of those warnings from that site and it got me thinking.  When we had the great market crash almost 80-years ago, the banks closed their doors over night.

Question:  What would you do if, just after a major event, the banks closed their doors?  Do you have emergency spending money?

See, I don't think money will matter at that point.  Goods will matter but money will be worthless.  What do you think?


Rock

absolutely right, money won't matter. as a matter of fact I wonder if we a headed there now?

I noticed in an earlier post that you mentioned moving away from the city. Good idea. We moved 3 yrs ago from Buffalo ny to a small sw missouri town in the heart of the ozark mountains.

My decision was based on the uncertainties we as a nation are facing. I live in an old farm house on a hill with an adequate 360 view of the surrounding area. I wanted to live far enough away but also close enough for commutes. The view was also a factor in choosing where I live. I can see someone coming from atleast a half mile on the road from either direction.

Back on topic, I don't think that we should wait to see what we would do if an event like this happens. I think foresight is vital and we should be prepared in the event that something does happen.

I am afforded the luxury of having a great deal of land. So, We have decided to use it. We are constructing a modest 10x20 greenhouse, and a have a huge garden. Canning is our main focus here, and what we dont use we sell on the corner of the road, and also donate to a local church pantry.

Other things we are stocking up on is simple things like coffee, sugar and salt. I guess I chose these because historically these 3 things have had barter value.

furthermore, I am thinking about investing in wood gas as a means for backup power in the event that things get so bad that we lost grid power.

The most important thing in my opinion is to have a back up plan. Mine is rather crude, but would do in an emergency.
Missouri is riddled with caves. I have explored many, and have found 2 that do not appear to have been discovered except by native americans (I hope) which are no longer with us.

This particular cave happens to have a spring with fressh water, it has 4 different rooms, and could be lived in if necessary.  caves are also a good place to store perishables because they typically hold a temp of 54 degrees year round.

Of course it is also a good idea to have a firearm for protection and hunting as well as a bow. I need to brush up on hunting.

I am not a paranoid person, but anymore, nothing would surpise me.

I think everyone should have enough food to last atleast 4 weeks. as for bartering, I would look to coffee, sugar and salt as a tool.
another good tool would be a trade. People will always need something fixed or built. mechanically inclined people would fare well in my opinion.

If it ever came to this, I am sure it would be like going back to the stoneage!!! I really doubt it will go this far. America can be dumb at times, but we still have resolve, and are waking up to what is going on in our gov, and they will be held accountable in the end.

[Zmonk]

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/New_Long_Guns.html

409.00





1000 rounds for 180.00

 Do you know a good quality weapon that is legal in NJ that is effective for personal defense?  I just checked and that weapon is illegal in my state. 

[ScYnTiFiK]

since alot of people think somethings is gonna happen and question what they will need i made what i think is a pretty damn good list for under 1000 bucks


Water filter $200 get a katadyn and an extra filter this is the single most important thing
Lighters $10 get a bunch of bics they are tuff and water proof  they just have to dry.. and even if they break you just need to make a spark with rocks and the fluid will ignite
Tent - $80 pretty good quality – 3 season
Sleeping bag  $40 decent quality temp depends on where you live or plan on living
Fishing poles $30each (at least 1 should get 2) decent quality
Fishing hooks $15 get a lot quality isn’t to important make sure you have enuff line also
Bow and arrows $150 get a good quality used  bow and a lot of arrows
Rifle and bullets $200 used
Knifes $45 get a good knife and maybe a swiss army used if possible
Machete under $10 crappy quality just make sure you get one or 2 that wont break
Axe $10
Lantern $25 get a l.e.d. windup one with a radio
Saw $10
Hammer $10  don’t matter
Nails $10 10 penny (galvanized if you live by saltwater)
Shovel $10 spade can prolly get a used one for $5
Rope $30 get various sizes rope is important
Hemp Twine $10 get a couple spools
Pot and pan $25 get decent used ones
Utensils $15 just get whatever will last
Plates Bowls & Cups $20 preferably metal 
Scissors $5
Metal rods $30 in various widths ½ inch prolly being most useful as it can be bent but is still is strong

Max total $990 and im sure you already have a lot of the stuff listed and that you can get cheaper prices buying used goods


feel free to add

[meuhey]

what about a hydrogen solar house, you get free energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEdQRVQtffw

no more need to depend on society.

[HYDROGENPAL]

since alot of people think somethings is gonna happen and question what they will need i made what i think is a pretty damn good list for under 1000 bucks


Water filter $200 get a katadyn and an extra filter this is the single most important thing
Lighters $10 get a bunch of bics they are tuff and water proof  they just have to dry.. and even if they break you just need to make a spark with rocks and the fluid will ignite
Tent - $80 pretty good quality – 3 season
Sleeping bag  $40 decent quality temp depends on where you live or plan on living
Fishing poles $30each (at least 1 should get 2) decent quality
Fishing hooks $15 get a lot quality isn’t to important make sure you have enuff line also
Bow and arrows $150 get a good quality used  bow and a lot of arrows
Rifle and bullets $200 used
Knifes $45 get a good knife and maybe a swiss army used if possible
Machete under $10 crappy quality just make sure you get one or 2 that wont break
Axe $10
Lantern $25 get a l.e.d. windup one with a radio
Saw $10
Hammer $10  don’t matter
Nails $10 10 penny (galvanized if you live by saltwater)
Shovel $10 spade can prolly get a used one for $5
Rope $30 get various sizes rope is important
Hemp Twine $10 get a couple spools
Pot and pan $25 get decent used ones
Utensils $15 just get whatever will last
Plates Bowls & Cups $20 preferably metal 
Scissors $5
Metal rods $30 in various widths ½ inch prolly being most useful as it can be bent but is still is strong

Max total $990 and im sure you already have a lot of the stuff listed and that you can get cheaper prices buying used goods


feel free to add

great post all of which can be carried in a back pack while on the run!

[Dok]

What To Expect When Martial Law Is Declared

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Coming Soon To A Neighborhood Near You After The World-Wide Economic Collapse
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by Timothy K. Perry
(Libertarian)
Sunday, October 12, 2008
 After the coming economic financial collapse, a state of world-wide martial law will be declared. Considering the current events which are in direct alignment with documented plans for totalitarian one-world government, (white paper plans published by the Tri-Lateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, and Club of Rome), martial law will be imposed without official dissent upon the various countries of the world. Martial law is military rule imposed upon civilian populations in a time of war or during a (sic) "State of Emergency". The following elements can be expected to occur once the t.v. news anchors tell people not to panic, but that a State of Emergency has been declared due to the crash, and a (sic) temporary state of martial law has been declared, which will be rescinded once the State of Emergency has passed.

What the news people won't tell you is that given the history of martial law, the suspension of such a draconian state is far more difficult to achieve than its original imposition. Esteemed reader, ask yourself the question, why dictator or group of dictators ever voluntarily relinquished their dictatorial powers? I'm searching really hard through the history files of the world to find out the handful of amazing people who did so. So far, all I can find is George Washington who declined being elected "King".

 Whenever the "Powers That Be" decide to impose martial law, the following items can be expected:

:1. CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE ENDED-Under martial law, the U.S. Constitution is suspended and the citizens immediately lose all the protections, safeguards, and human rights guaranteed by that document. The citizens also lose every rights and privileges granted under The Bill of Rights. The constitutions of other countries will likewise be suspended with similar conditions imposed upon the citizens of those other countries.

2. CURFEW ENFORCEMENT-Anyone caught outside after curfew can be shot dead. There are no exceptions for personal emergencies unless of course, these people have some sort of official written permission or are in possession of other material which gives them a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card.

3. WRIT OF HABEUS CORPUS SUSPENDED-This means that soldiers can bust into your house, or arrest you on the street without warrants, and can throw you into prison without explanation or access to legal counsel. They can hold you there for months, even years, since there are no time limits imposed on how long you can be imprisoned.

4. PERSONAL FIREARMS WILL BE SEIZED-Armed forces can invade your home and force you to surrender any weapons you have, regardless of your constitutional right or need to bear arms for your self-defense. If you refuse, you could be shot dead in your living room, and all your possessions seized. If you're lucky, you might just get Tasered, or butt-ended with an AK-47, to eventually wake up in a Federal Emergency Management Agency (F.E.M.A.) Detention Center with a Prison Identification Number which you will go by as a "name" instead of your old name, the one on your birth certificate.

5. PERSONAL PROPERTY CAN BE SEIZED-This means that under the excuse of "requisitioning", soldiers can kick you out of your home, and seize both your home, all the contents inside that home, as well as any vehicles, or other items you have on your grounds. They also can claim the actual real estate of the acreage as well. If you refuse or resist in some way well....I guess you can fill in the blanks or use your imagination.

The following list of Executive Orders have already been signed by past U.S. presidents are in effect immediately upon declaration of a national State of Emergency or Martial Law:

Executive Order 10995: All communications media will be taken over by federal authority: radio, television, websites, newspapers, even CB and Ham radio systems. Freedom of expression, otherwise known as the First Amendment will be canceled until further notice.

Executive Order 10997: All fossil fuels, related substances as well as all electrical power, both corporate as well as privately owned devices and generators will be seized by the federal government.

Executive Order 10998: All food, means to produce such food and related products and machinery, warehouses and collectives which obviously include corporate and private farms will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated. If you are caught hoarding food, you could be shot dead, or perhaps you will be lucky enough to be Tasered, knocked to the ground, sent to a FEMA camp and be immediately classified as a "domestic terrorist", otherwise known as an "Enemy of the State".

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will be placed under complete government control. Any vehicle can be seized.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians will be drafted into forced labor which the t.v. anchors will euphemistically call "volunteer labor" at a variety of designated work places or camps under federal supervision. Go watch old film reels of the slave labor images under Nazi prison camps, or if you prefer, go watch a copy of Cool Hand Luke with Paul Newman, to get a more modern updated "American flavor" of what it's like to be part of a slave labor chain gang. Of course, you must always remember, that if you go against the Boss, you will be accused of "A Failure To Communicate."

Executive Order 11490: Absolute dictatorial "presidential" control will be exercised over all US citizens, business as well as church institutions during a State of Emergency where martial law is declared necessary.

Executive Order 12919: At the direction of the president, this Executive Order allows various Cabinet officials  to take over all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency.

 Executive Order 13010: This Executive Order allows FEMA to take control over all other government agencies.

Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES" -This order allows for the declaration of a State of Emergency   during natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergencies that seriously  threaten the national security of the United States. This order allows for total, unquestioned federal takeover of every local police enforcement agencies, as well as local price fixing and wages. It also forbids reassignment of personal financial assets within or outside of the United States.

All in all, it makes me wish I was born several hundred years in the future, because by then, we will be genetically designed to obey without question, with no personal will or identity of our own. So in that case, we won't know what we've lost, because all the history books, or shall I say history "discs" will have been rewritten. Hopefully, this game plan will be abandoned, and the planned scenario will never happen to us, even though plans have been written for just such a scenario. Hopefully, the decision will be made to abandon this plan and revitalize the world economy without dramatic incident so such draconian methods are not necessary to unite all countries under the one world globalist banner. I don't think anyone is going to resist the transition to a one world police state anyway. Most people just want to be able to pay their bills and get by, and enjoy what little free time they have, no matter what group is ruling.  After all, this transition is already being achieved as we speak.

http://www.nolanchart.com/article5188.html

[70983]

I am going to come out and say this right now, that for those of you who are thinking of bugging out of the country I recommend Mongolia.

Why? 

1.  Its completely flat in some parts, also mountains to hide in.
2.  Even if you lived in the city theres not much to worry about because the entire country only has a population of about 3 million
3.  I doubt anyone will look for you there
4.  Their military is so small I could beat them with one hand tied behind my back
5.  Learn ways of nomadic culture that has let them survive there for hundreds of years.
6.  Hot women.

[sedevacantistomaha]

Has anyone mentioned night vision?

[sedevacantistomaha]

If you are on any type of anti-depressants (like I was), you may want to consider whether now may be a prudent time to begin weaning yourself off of them. Look, we have become a Prozac nation, a nation of pill-popping zombies. I for one have been on Effexor XR for the last 7 years until in April I decided I really don't want to be taking this shit for the rest of my life, and if there's ever martial law and I intend to bug out, then there's no point in taking this shit anymore anyway since there's no refill counters out in the middle of nowhere. I then made the mistake of trying to wean myself off this God-forsaken "medicine" on my own and I got VERY sick. I missed 3 days of work because I thought I could taper off this stuff on my own. WRONG! I went back to my psych. and had him make out a regimine to wean off this stuff and because I'd been on it for the last 7 years, it will not be until December until I'm fully off for good. I'm telling you guys, if any of you are on anti-depressants and you know you won't be able to keep taking them in the near future due to having to bug out for what looks to be imminent martial law, NOW is the time to figure out a regimine to get off these drugs because the pharma companies that created these wonderful pills mananged to make them so you can't just all of a sudden quit taking them. Some people end up never getting off of them! They'd rather keep taking them than suffer the w/drawls. But it can be done. And you will need time. Everyone is different of course. Some people won't have any problems at all. But I've found from my research that most people need time to wean off these pills.

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I recommend some type of water flotation device if not a full-out life preserver because sooner or later we will likely encounter having to cross a river or rapids even. Not many of us will be lugging a raft around, but I WILL be taking along a life jacket even though it takes up a LOT of space in my B-O-B.

[HYDROGENPAL]

I recommend some type of water flotation device if not a full-out life preserver because sooner or later we will likely encounter having to cross a river or rapids even. Not many of us will be lugging a raft around, but I WILL be taking along a life jacket even though it takes up a LOT of space in my B-O-B.

great thinking you could have a blow up type.
mongolia never thought about that. Cold?
Hot women? pix?

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What's up hydro? Yeah, I just bought a life jacket at Scheels sporting goods this past weekend. Set me back $50 and it's not a space saver by any means, but think about it, it can also be used for extra warmth in the winter.

Is anyone else finding that they have way more stuff to cram into their B-O-B than they have room for? You see, I'm thinking long term survival here, so I know I have to have items to get me by for all 4 seasons. Winter clothes are taking up lots of space even in a compression sack! But I have to have them, eh?

[sedevacantistomaha]

Blow up raft is no good, I already checked into it. The reason is because (a good sturdy one) weighs almost as much as a small canoe, plus there's always chances of puncture anyway. Plus you're talking a lot of space taken up in your BOB to carry it. Then again, what if one needs to cross a river and it's subzero temps (yet the body of water in question isn't frozen over either).

On second thought, maybe an inflatable raft will HAVE to do afterall. Maybe I need a bigger BOB??

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Wet suit???