Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[rubbertramp]

But rubber, South Dakota in the winter is a monster.

no, sorry, that was really the begining for the re-emergence of a militancy movement. although i dislike the term militancy it was the only thing that came to mind. pull up a map of indian land, and realize how much land and open eyed people there are. and yes, of course, many rez's. have alcohol and meth and unemployment problems.

[esquared]

What I want is to become independent of all the systems. I'm already starting to do gardening, and learning how to use solar power so that I won't even care when the electrical grid crashes.

But I feel there's going to come a time when my husband and I may part ways completely. I believe he'll be one clamouring to get a vaccine when the pandemic starts, and he'll be insisting that we do a great many things that I will flat out refuse... like going to the FEMA camp.

I am working, behind his back (though I love him dearly, I truly do, but I can't wait for him to come around, there just isn't the luxury), to prepare for the "big event" when our economy collapses.

if I end up going there, I'll be coming in with absolutely nothing but myself and my daughter and some seeds, and a bit of knowledge that I've worked hard to gain. I don't know what else to do, but I know that it'll be almost impossible for me and my daughter to survive on our own, and my husband won't survive-- he doesn't care enough to take care of himself, and he believes in the mainstream doctors/media.

Any way I can think of to get "free" of this situation depends upon me going back into the system- get a job, etc. Right now, I see it as "my job" to learn everything I can about how to survive in a failed economy, how to garden and grow things, how to live without electrical grid power, etc.

I don't feel afraid, so much as I feel lost and don't know what to do.

Why is it that so many people that know the truth always seem to attract a significant other that wants to stay blind ? I gave up on dating many years ago because I was sick of the "I only like to hear the world is a perfect place" . Looks like a go it alone or with a few former coworkers for me .

[esquared]

Honestly, I don't think they can track people that well, I really don't and if members of military stands up..even a small percent.. They are toast

We will win.

There is some really good gear out there now . Military had digital imaging 20 years before consumers did . Top line pro camera is now at 65 megapixels and the military is probably now well in excess of 200 megapixels . It is possible to read a magazine from space .

As for tracking people they have been putting sensors in the woods for years . They are hard to find and when you do find them you don't destroy them you map them for later destruction . Follow the rangers , they are stupid and will lead you right to them . As for thermal you really need a difference like a person walking in temps under your body temp but if you live where it is over 100 most of the time they will have a hard time unless they have one that looks for differences to the surface temps .

As for the military two of the larger recruiting stations are in the Philippines and in Mexico . They are recruiting foreigners and will kill most of the military off before this goes down so we will be fighting foreign US military personnel . Why do you think the VA ordered all the coffin liners sitting in Georgia ?

The real key to surviving will be to get out of the cities , find heavy cover with a water source and have food , guns , ammo and seeds to garden with and the knowledge on how to re harvest seeds so you can be your own seed bank . The other thing will be to not allow others to enter your area and then leave , everyone will be suspect . Personally that will more than likely not be the path I take as I have other plans for fun time .

[rubbertramp]

who was the chinese guy who wrote, the art of war?

never underestimate your enemies, it's a good reason to die.

[Pheonix Renewed]

Why is it that so many people that know the truth always seem to attract a significant other that wants to stay blind ? I gave up on dating many years ago because I was sick of the "I only like to hear the world is a perfect place" . Looks like a go it alone or with a few former coworkers for me .

I dunno, does seem like it, though, doesn't it. I was only somewhat "awake" when I got together with him. I was still in denial that the widespread corruption could possibly be all connected and deliberate. But still, I was much further along towards getting it than he was, and now we're worlds apart in many ways.

[rubbertramp]

i just call friends like that, disinfowarriors.

[HYDROGENPAL]

Excellent “esquared” but here the underlying problem is that most of us live in cities and we are all going to be slowly put into a martial law like state before we can even start to make emergency plans. Similar to Arkansas predicament.
They cant just run now its to late for them.
So the real question is what do we do to get around this issue as it unfolds?
What we need to look for is a massing of some kind of military for the take over of u.s. citizens.
If you can go now and leave the cities, please do. “esquared”  said it correctly, but as for me;
 I can not convince my family to leave their feelings of safety in their secure jobs as we watch the economy collapsing.
Do we leave our loved ones? Do we leave our jobs now? Do we run to the Indian reserves and try and survive in unfamiliar territories?
I really dont think so.
There is nothing we in the city can do except prepare as best as possible and pray. "Believe in God or not, couldnt hurt."

[rubbertramp]

Excellent “esquared” but here the underlying problem is that most of us live in cities and we are all going to be slowly put into a martial law like state before we can even start to make emergency plans. Similar to Arkansas predicament.
They cant just run now its to late for them.
So the real question is what do we do to get around this issue as it unfolds?
What we need to look for is a massing of some kind of military for the take over of u.s. citizens.
If you can go now and leave the cities, please do. “esquared”  said it correctly, but as for me;
 I can not convince my family to leave their feelings of safety in their secure jobs as we watch the economy collapsing.
Do we leave our loved ones? Do we leave our jobs now? Do we run to the Indian reserves and try and survive in unfamiliar territories?
I really dont think so.
There is nothing we in the city can do except prepare as best as possible and pray. "Believe in God or not, couldnt hurt."

nicely said. this is why part of my rant was about getting to know your neighbors. there could be quite a lot of firepower and supplies and ideas etc................right in your neighborhood. but if your hood is the kind of place where the neighbors don't know each other, don't want to, don't care, i do fear for your families safty.

[HYDROGENPAL]

Very interesting to calculate the opportunities that are made freely at our fingertips.
"HI let me tell you about the n.w.o. and why you should get mad neighbor." lets make a plan
That should go well.lol
most of these people don’t even wana talk about it and call you a conspiracy theorist.
I really work a lot at letting people know and my figures are 50/1 will listen so you have to talk to a lot of people to get just 1 to listen.

[rubbertramp]

Very interesting to calculate the opportunities that are made freely at our fingertips.
"HI let me tell you about the n.w.o. and why you should get mad neighbor." lets make a plan
That should go well.lol
most of these people don’t even wana talk about it and call you a conspiracy theorist.
I really work a lot at letting people know and my figures are 50/1 will listen so you have to talk to a lot of people to get just 1 to listen.

this is the problem i always see. sometimes you need to have patients. otherwise it can be like a later day saint knocking on your door.

[birgit]

this is the problem i always see. sometimes you need to have patients. otherwise it can be like a later day saint knocking on your door.

I think the time for patience is past.If there are people who want to find out what is really going on, they will come looking and asking
The rest , are I am sorry to say expendable.By the time TSHTF , they will be sooooo shell shocked  for weeks, that it will get you killed...
Know when to fold them, know when to leave them.
Those sheeple  refuse and kick at a live saver in shark infested waters.   

[rubbertramp]

I think the time for patience is past.If there are people who want to find out what is really going on, they will come looking and asking
The rest , are I am sorry to say expendable.By the time TSHTF , they will be sooooo shell shocked  for weeks, that it will get you killed...
Know when to fold them, know when to leave them.
Those sheeple  refuse and kick at a live saver in shark infested waters.   

i respectfully disagree. there's a kazillion good people out there, are you condeming them for being clueless? i have time, i've only been shot at twice.

[HYDROGENPAL]

i respectfully disagree. there's a kazillion good people out there, are you condeming them for being clueless? i have time, i've only been shot at twice.

we can still reach them

[esquared]

Excellent “esquared” but here the underlying problem is that most of us live in cities and we are all going to be slowly put into a martial law like state before we can even start to make emergency plans. Similar to Arkansas predicament.
They cant just run now its to late for them.
So the real question is what do we do to get around this issue as it unfolds?
What we need to look for is a massing of some kind of military for the take over of u.s. citizens.
If you can go now and leave the cities, please do. “esquared”  said it correctly, but as for me;
 I can not convince my family to leave their feelings of safety in their secure jobs as we watch the economy collapsing.
Do we leave our loved ones? Do we leave our jobs now? Do we run to the Indian reserves and try and survive in unfamiliar territories?
I really dont think so.
There is nothing we in the city can do except prepare as best as possible and pray. "Believe in God or not, couldnt hurt."

Anyone think this was not the plan the entire time look at how our cities are laid out . In phoenix all the major traffic routes could be shut down in just a few minutes and with very light resources . Shut down I-10 for east and west , I-17 for north and south as well as US 60 and we are trapped . The entire US freeway system is nothing more than a choke point system and nobody even realizes it . There are smaller roads which the cops will probably block and they will be the easiest to take out to leave . Like I have said before we will go to bed somewhat free and wake up in a prison called our home town . If you are in the city when it goes down , lock and load and have some payback before you die . When I travel I always take two rifles a shotgun and a pistol with 1,000 rounds for each as I don't want to get caught away from home unarmed .

I still have a little family left alive . If it wasn't for them I would have left a few years ago . I am trying to get them to leave with me but they are so ignorant but they do know , they are just afraid of the unknown .

[chirhonius]

yes, and believe it or not the mormons in utah are prepared also, not in the same way, but eyes wide open in most senses.

The mormons are well prepared that is no secret. I wonder what would happen in UT maybe things would be fine while the other states crumbled in riots. Then if the govt was weak enough they might try to take over. That would make an interesting movie. The amish would do ok and so would some of the other fundamentalist groups. Of course these groups might start disposing of "non-believers" 

[rubbertramp]

The mormons are well prepared that is no secret. I wonder what would happen in UT maybe things would be fine while the other states crumbled in riots. Then if the govt was weak enough they might try to take over. That would make an interesting movie. The amish would do ok and so would some of the other fundamentalist groups. Of course these groups might start disposing of "non-believers" 

esquare, i feel ya' when visiting friends in AJ, i go all the wat around the valley and in through apache lake- tortilla flats. it would take a hell of a pay check to get me to live in phoenix.

utah is looked at like the rez. it won't be one of the easier places to take. personally i think when the shtf you urban dwellers are the first to see a crackdown.

[HYDROGENPAL]

In Houston they have perfect choke points that I’ve seen.
Here in Austin where i live they built roads and have been driven for many years. just recently these roads that we already paid for have been transformed into toll roads. Not only did they make them toll roads but they sold them to foreign interests.
So the performed to actions here not only did they build perfect choke points with the toll booths for a quick control of the city but also make us pay for it. .
 

[rubbertramp]

In Houston they have perfect choke points that I’ve seen.
Here in Austin where i live they built roads and have been driven for many years. just recently these roads that we already paid for have been transformed into toll roads. Not only did they make them toll roads but they sold them to foreign interests.
So the performed to actions here not only did they build perfect choke points with the toll booths for a quick control of the city but also make us pay for it. .
 

i remember alex talking about guilliani and a spanish firm.

[Overcast]

In Houston they have perfect choke points that I’ve seen.
Here in Austin where i live they built roads and have been driven for many years. just recently these roads that we already paid for have been transformed into toll roads. Not only did they make them toll roads but they sold them to foreign interests.
So the performed to actions here not only did they build perfect choke points with the toll booths for a quick control of the city but also make us pay for it. .
 

Yeah, everyone thinks I'm crazy for buying a gas drinking 4x4 this last year, but if push comes to shove - fuel economy won't matter, cruising range and mobility will however. AKA, I don't need a road, and there's a few state routes I can take - I would NOT consider an interstate a suitable means of flight. Something like a SUV, Van, or Station Wagon is supreme as it can act as a makeshift shelter in a pinch.

Need tools, like axes, hammers, nails, hinges, metal bailing wire, farming tools (just the manual stuff - hoes, pick-axe, etc) and the like. Handful of lighters, if worst comes to worst, the car/truck can offer basic protection until something more suitable can be arranged.

In the end, knowledge and faith in God will be the only tools you can count on - anything else can be taken away. At least - that's my opinion

I can thank God I was brought up in the country. While I may be very rusty on skills, I remember enough.... that I'm confident of.

I listened to a story on the radio once of a lady who was a Nazi - it was her story of what happened once Nazi Germany came crashing down. Not what happened to the 'monsters' but the normal people who didn't really know what all was going on or were just completely powerless to take action to stop it.

Basically, she said in a 'flight' situation, be 100% prepared to leave with the clothes on your back and the shoes on your feet - nothing more. In the vast majority of cases, you may not be able to get away with anymore.

Material preparation is great, always - but it in no way counts for as much as mental preparation. I suspect - that's where the big break down for many will be.

[rubbertramp]

i hear ya' overcast. i actually map out escape route via dirt and 4+4 roads everywhere i am. i just drove mostly dirt from williams arizona to santa fe NM. i prefer the scenic route anyways, camping along the way. but this is all info i may need some day.

[Overcast]

i hear ya' overcast. i actually map out escape route via dirt and 4+4 roads everywhere i am. i just drove mostly dirt from williams arizona to santa fe NM. i prefer the scenic route anyways, camping along the way. but this is all info i may need some day.

Yeah... that reminds me, something I've been wanting to do for a while is get some regular ol' maps and print off tons from Google maps. Afterall; computer networks can be shut down on the fly. Printed info is the only thing really 'dependable'.

As for me, I live in a pretty hilly area, lots of trees - so a complete offroad path is outta the question, but heck, even if I just need to bury myself 5 miles in the woods somewhere, or go offroad shortly to get around whatever obstacles may be in the way, it will be a major advantage.

Guess it's all you can do really. I'll keep up on this rubbertramp, I'd like to find more info on groups that have a 'contingency' mindset.

[rubbertramp]

one thing i have noticed over the years is that gov. is scaling down the accuracy of maps. i have a whole collection of OLD forest service/blm quadrant maps. a lot of the old mining and logging roads are no longer shown.

[Overcast]

Interesting...

Well, as luck would have it - as a kid in the 70's and 80's I was rather fond of collecting maps. Thanks for mentioning that - I will keep my eyes open for that.

That's why I think a Satellite view in conjunction with maps is a great idea. That and don't forget a few pens and pencils, as I may need to make manual additions to the maps.

I bet you could find old PDFs of maps on the web too... hmmm...

Edit: here's one resource.. (links to more maps below)

http://www.milebymile.com/main/United_States/Kentucky/maps.html

[rubbertramp]

maybe, i'd be interested if you come up with anything. the pencil/pen mention is funny. with all the X's and little explanations of springs and campspots and stuff on some of my maps it would take a whole team at the pentagon to decifer my notes.

[sickofwar]

one thing i have noticed over the years is that gov. is scaling down the accuracy of maps. i have a whole collection of OLD forest service/blm quadrant maps. a lot of the old mining and logging roads are no longer shown.

This might have something to do with Clinton's, wilderness road less act or what ever the f its called. All you really need is a good topo map, a eye for detail and a good marching compass.

[rubbertramp]

i consider myself very lucky in this regaurd. i have an internal built in compass. you can spin me around in circles on a pitch black night in the middle of a wilderness. and when i stop, i can instantly point north. it's almost impossible for me to get lost, even w/o compass and maps.

[sickofwar]

i consider myself very lucky in this regaurd. i have an internal built in compass. you can spin me around in circles on a pitch black night in the middle of a wilderness. and when i stop, i can instantly point north. it's almost impossible for me to get lost, even w/o compass and maps.

I know what you mean I try to get lost and never can pisses me off. Any good sources for topo maps, low key.

[rubbertramp]

this is the topic of another thread...................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ERz71skww

just so my rez buds lurking will see.

[HYDROGENPAL]

funny video did you see how many takes they had to do to get it lol

By the way Ok so you have a bunch of maps and a 4 x 4 lol
where ya gonna go you dont think they havnt planned for that .
that is basic for even cops to do a round up. cant drive out in a truck. you really need a enduro bike

[sickofwar]

What you really need is a good set of flippers and a mask, take the path less fallowed or should I say swam.

[rubbertramp]

funny video did you see how many takes they had to do to get it lol

By the way Ok so you have a bunch of maps and a 4 x 4 lol
where ya gonna go you dont think they havnt planned for that .
that is basic for even cops to do a round up. cant drive out in a truck. you really need a enduro bike

whare am i gunna' go, have you been reading this thread. open land my friend, deep canyons, mountains, 1500 feet down in a slot canyon that is not wide enough at the top to see into.............................sometimes i wonder if people realize what is backcountry in the american west. i know 40 mile long deep canyons that nobodies explored since the anasazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Pueblo_Peoples

[rubbertramp]

What you really need is a good set of flippers and a mask, take the path less fallowed or should I say swam.

hell yea, i like it, earlier a sailboat was mentioned. hell yea, a few years lost in the southpacific might be nice as apposed to martial law and detention camps.

[esquared]

one thing i have noticed over the years is that gov. is scaling down the accuracy of maps. i have a whole collection of OLD forest service/blm quadrant maps. a lot of the old mining and logging roads are no longer shown.

The forest service is busy closing roads and the entire forest piece by piece . I know the old trails and how to access them without going through the gate . I spent many years mapping it myself with gps and then printing plastic maps .

[ramallamamama]

whare am i gunna' go, have you been reading this thread. open land my friend, deep canyons, mountains, 1500 feet down in a slot canyon that is not wide enough at the top to see into.............................sometimes i wonder if people realize what is backcountry in the american west. i know 40 mile long deep canyons that nobodies explored since the anasazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Pueblo_Peoples

Sounds perfect RT.

I'm on Maui, we still have a lot of lush valleys filled with fruit and feral pig, miles from anyone. I'm hoping to find like minded individuals like you are. I talk to a few, plant mental seeds etc., as things get worse I hope I can be a resource for survival ideas for others. I just hope they don't wait to long...

[HYDROGENPAL]

In the early 1980s, the Air Force had studied a replacement program called the Advanced Warning System, which the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization absorbed in 1984 and renamed Boost Surveillance and Tracking System

In the early 1990s, Space-based elements included Brilliant Eyes and Brilliant Pebbles.
Brilliant Eyes, however, drew more interest from Air Force space officials who sought to improve theater space surveillance capabilities after Desert Storm. The Brilliant Eyes concept called for a "distributed" satellite network consisting of several hundred spacecraft with infrared and laser sensors orbiting at 700 kilometers, capable of tracking missiles in their midcourse phase, discriminating among reentry vehicles and decoys, and predicting impact points. Like national reconnaissance assets, these satellites would also perform an arms control monitoring function.

 they can watch you from anywhere guys and even see the color of your eyes from space.
by heat tracing
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/be.htm

[rubbertramp]

thanx hydro, i am aware of the technology, but until the time really comes i'm going to still ignore it. paranoia is enough of an instinct as it is for awhile. i remember as a young man reading about how they could read license plates from space. it's been a long time since i was a young man. kinda' i'm 44.

[HYDROGENPAL]

Sounds perfect RT.

I'm on Maui, we still have a lot of lush valleys filled with fruit and feral pig, miles from anyone. I'm hoping to find like minded individuals like you are. I talk to a few, plant mental seeds etc., as things get worse I hope I can be a resource for survival ideas for others. I just hope they don't wait to long...

ram My whole family lived in oahu tell i was 18 lived in maui during the summer.
I know as a fact that those islands are some of the best deep earth secret military bases in the country.
have you been to diamand head. "proof"
We all moved from there in 1996 as my family was one of the first white families in hawaii as missionaries.
We have been watching end time info for all our lives.
You have some of the most advanced  Surveillance in the world right there looking at you.

You have no place to run for real. thast why we left.

[rubbertramp]

small islands have always made me paranoid/claustrophobic.

GEOGRAPHY    Maui County includes the islands of Maui (the Valley Isle, 727.3 square miles with 120 miles of coastline), Molokai (the Friendly Isle, 260 square miles), Lanai (the Most Enticing Isle, formerly known as the Pineapple Isle, 140.6 square miles) and Kahoolawe (the uninhabited Forbidden Isle, 44.6 square miles, formerly used as a bombing practice range by the U.S. Navy and Air Force, it is now being restored and revegetated).

[ramallamamama]

In the early 1980s, the Air Force had studied a replacement program called the Advanced Warning System, which the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization absorbed in 1984 and renamed Boost Surveillance and Tracking System

In the early 1990s, Space-based elements included Brilliant Eyes and Brilliant Pebbles.
Brilliant Eyes, however, drew more interest from Air Force space officials who sought to improve theater space surveillance capabilities after Desert Storm. The Brilliant Eyes concept called for a "distributed" satellite network consisting of several hundred spacecraft with infrared and laser sensors orbiting at 700 kilometers, capable of tracking missiles in their midcourse phase, discriminating among reentry vehicles and decoys, and predicting impact points. Like national reconnaissance assets, these satellites would also perform an arms control monitoring function.

 they can watch you from anywhere guys and even see the color of your eyes from space.
by heat tracing
http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/be.htm

There's all kinds of insane tech, straight out of our worse dreams.

Patriot missile test over atoll.
http://jj.am/gallery/d/37862-1/Peacekeeper-1280x1024.jpg

[rubbertramp]

link us to something, that huge pic is stretching my screen.