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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #40 on: August 20, 2007, 11:42:17 AM »
Bugging out of a City when Martial Law comes....

 One thing in a city that is almost always overlooked, is storm water drainage tunnels. All cities have them, and most lead out of the city, so if you get caught in a city that is being locked down under Martial Law, one could use these tunnels to get out safely, as long as it isn't during a rainstorm.
 Stay away from subway tunnels tho, as Big Brother now has CCTV's mounted in all of these.
Upon entering this drainage system, if you remove a manhole cover, and leave it open, someone will find it open, and immediately learn that others have started using the tunnels, so be sure to drag that cover closed, behind you. Sure, they are very heavy, but you need to remember that it is always wise to cover your escape tracks as much as possible.
 Once you get to the end of the tunnel, which will usually end up at a lake or stream, if its daylight, stay where you are till nightfall. Then come nightfall, leave, but stay away from roads. During Martial Law, all roads will be heavily patrolled by armed personell, looking for someone to shoot. Stay in the woods, travel slow but methodically, be safe, and you will stay safe. Don't run, walk! If you hurt yourself, you can only blame yourself. Carry a 1st aid kit at all times, and learn how to use it.

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #41 on: August 20, 2007, 11:49:24 AM »
When it comes to survival, forget about items requiring batteries.
 Buy crank up flashlights, and radios, and forget about using up much needed space in your BOB for batteries. Batteries create more weight than you might think, so blow them things off.
 You BOB should be equipped with things that will keep you alive, not items that will burden you more, and in the end, die out. Besides, if your flashlight takes batteries, and your batteries die out, where do you expect to find replacement batteries? Are you just gonna walk into a local Chinamart to get you more, in an area that is locked down in Martial Law? I Think Not!

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #42 on: August 20, 2007, 11:58:08 AM »
Best thing any of us can do to help us survive a situation is THINK first before you act:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_skills
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2007, 12:29:34 PM »
Night Vision Escape.....

Here's another item that will help you in staying in stealth mode at night against others who are using Night Scopes, searching for you....Buy a few Emergency Blankets, double sided Reflect-Insulate.
When you wear one of these over your body you will start heating up, because the blanket reflects your own body heat back towards you instead of outwards, you can become virtually invisible to anyone looking thru a Night Scope. This is because the reflective side agaist your body doesn't allow that heat signature thru the blanket to be picked up by infra-red night scopes.
They are silver on both sides, which would stand out in the night quite well, even if they blocked out your heat signature, but there's a really easy fix to this...just simply line a pair of pants, and a hooded jacket with this blanket "fabric", and then the silver will no longer show.
This emergency blanket "fabric" is exceptionally thin, yet tough, so making it into a liner in pants and a jacket really wouldn't add much weight or bulk to whatever clothes you plan on wearing. Thing about this easy idea, is that you will have to watch yourself because the heat inside can build if your doing alot of physical activity, like running for your life!

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2007, 12:30:51 PM »
I personally use digital camers, not 35 mm, but the little film canisters are extremely waterproof and air tight. If you are not into 35mm, when you visit any of the "chain stores", go to the photo department and ask them for empty film canisters--They are glad to give them to you.
There's so many other uses for them, that the list could go on and on....like....
Waterproof pill fobs.
Waterproof matches container.
Waterproof spice containers fer cooking.
Could be made into a stealth fishing bobber, just slip a small section of fishing line under the cap, and viola.
Container for keeping lens cleaning cloths dry.
Thread storage containers, Buttons, needles, etc...
just to name a few.
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2007, 12:36:59 PM »
A 4' x 4' sheet of 8 mil clear plastic sheeting...can be used for collecting water. Stack up rocks at 4 corners up to about a foot tall, then a rock holding a corner of the plastic sheeting at each of these stacks. Dig a hole under the sheeting about a foot deep, right below the middle, and place a container. Now place a rock on the top, middle of this sheet. Condensation will form on the underneath of the plastic, and will drip down into the container, giving you clean water to drink.

In your bug out bag....Don't forget to pack a short length of garden hose for draining drinking water from hot water heaters.

If you have bought cheap folding knives before, and say the handle has broken, or the rivet that holds the blade in place has broken, or whatever may have happened, save the blades.
A blade could be tied into a long stick and made into a spear, or you could manufacture your own handles out of antlers or hardwood, and make them a fixed blade knife. Even cheaply made SS knives can be used for other purposes. Plant them in the ground, points up, like pointy stick battlements and I would gaurantee that anyone stepping onto these are less likely to continue their rush upon your property in an attack.
Small blades could also be attached to home made arrows, for hunting or defense. Any loose blade in a time of survival could also be a trade item, with or without a handle.
Also, as a trade item, if you see cheap grab bags of knives, buy them up, and keep them as a tradeable item. This way you will still keep all the good knives for yourself, but have a valuable trading item in a time of need.
When the time for true survival comes, there will be many items that others will want, or need, in order to survive themselves. Items like food, clean water, ammo, knives, clothing, blankets, camping gear, guns, even information can all be traded. As the days pass in a survival event, one will have to know what is more important. If there is no electricity, or incoming supplies, then trying to trade a flashlight for food will bring dire consequences for yourself, unless that flashlight is a shake flashlight, or a dynamo crank flashlight, one that doesn't require batteries to operate. These are things in which the values will constantly be changing, and people will have to be alot more compromising about this and not get stuck on a certain value.

Solar Oven/Cooker...unless you have in your possession a vast supply of propane, natural gas, wood or charcoal briquets, a solar oven can be purchased for a fair bit of money, be small enough to travel with, and can be used anywhere outdoors, in any inclement weather, as long as there is sunlight. There could be 8' of snow on the ground, but if it's a sunny day, you could still cook anything to your hearts content, all without smoke. Here's a site that sells this type of portable solar cooker> http://kensolar.com/tek9.asp?pg=products&specific=jnopoqj0


Another real handy item to have around is black powder. Even a 1 lb. can in your bug-out bag can be used from everything from starting stubborn fires to signal flares. Just a pinch in a bleeding wound, lit, will cauterize it, for example. Modern smokeless powder from a cartridge will too, but it is slower burning. Black powder is very fast-burning to the point of explosiveness and takes much less pressure to react with optimum effect.

7.62 & .50 ammo can "Seals" and how to keep them at their best. I use vaseline to coat the seal to keep it from drying out. DO NOT use Armor-All to do this, as it wears out over time, but vaseline will be there for years and makes it more pliable enhancing the airtight seal.

Another great product that I have found on the market that rocks for creating extra space in your BOB's are items called "Space Bags". These are those bags you see advertised on TV from time to time, where you load clothes into them, zip em up, and suction out all the air with a standard vaccume cleaner. If you really want to pack your BOB bags as effeciently as possible, maximizing your space, then I highly reccomend these bags. The company has also created a new line, which doesn't require a vaccume device to suck out the air. Instead, all you do is roll these bags up after loading & sealing them, and by rolling them, this pushes the air out thru the bag's one way valve. Here's the factory's website for any of those interested in saving some much needed space...
https://www.spacebag.com/spacebag
When you order factory direct, they always throw in extra bags as an incentive for return customers.
These bags when sealed are waterproof, moth and bug proof, and can also be used in packing away more than just clothes. By removing all the air, your ammo and other gear will remain rust/oxidation free for years. I love em, because you can pack the crap outta them, and when you suck out all the air, the bag is flatter than a pancake, and makes them easily stackable. Don't take my word for it tho, try one out and see for yourself! By using these bags, even the smallest vehicle could be packed with tons of clothes and blankets while still leaving room for all your other gear.

Make SURE that in your "BO" package that you have a State "Atlas & Gazeteer" for each State or States YOU will be traveling through. These can be found at China-Mart and better book stores. These "Atlas & Gazateer's" include topographic maps of the ENTIRE STATE, broken down into "Grids". It will show even the dirt/mud trails and all unpaved roads. I get one if I go to a State I have never been to before. I have a small library of these.

Food Dehydrators coupled with vaccume food sealing machines that use those special food storage bags are a great way to increase food storage capabilities and make for excellent extended shelf lifes.
Start dehydrating meat into jerky, however spiced you want it or not, and seal in these bags that remove all oxygen. Once this is done, you have a meat product that has an extremely long shelf life, if stored in a cool area. The same can be done with all kinds of fruits and veggies. Once you have alot of bags filled with dehydrated food: meat, veggies and fruits, make use of a Storage Torpedo.
Canned food has a good shelf life granted, but to me, canned food also has two bad side affects, one is the fact that weight becomes a major issue. A person bugging out on foot can carry way more food, if it's dehydrated and packed in heavy plastic bags, than a person trying to carry out canned food. Another issue I have with canned food is the fact of how much more space canned food takes up. Granted, all those round cans can be stacked up very well, but just look at all the space that is wasted between all those cans. If a person is able to stay in one place without having to bug-out, then by all means, stick with canned food. If you think you will ever need to have to bug-out in order to survive, try food dehydration and vaccume food sealing techniques.
There is no reason in the world that would stop anyone from dehydrating their own food these days, since there are many companies that sell these machines for a small measure of money.
Here are some websites which offer food dehydrators that are cost effective.....
http://dehydrators.livingright.com/item284.Miracle-Dehydrator-ME972.html
http://www.sausagemaker.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=209
http://www.everythingkitchens.com/americanharvest2.html#fd-35
http://www.cabelas.com/ssubcat-1/cat570005.shtml
As you can see, there are many models available to choose from. Now, check out below for some Vaccume Food Sealer machines.....
http://www.thecateringchef.net/vacuum-food-sealers-rival-seal-a-meal-sealer-t...
http://www.jardenstore.com/product.aspx?bid=18&pid=2479
http://www.stacksandstacks.com/html/6940_food-vacuum-elite.htm
This is just to show a few as there are many more sites out there.

These two machines used together in conjunction with one another will help anyone to achieve manufacturing their own long shelf life food, without having to buy it from other places. Making it yourself will save you a ton of money in the long run. By vaccume sealing your food, you will remove all oxygen from the bag which is what causes food to go bad. With these special vaccume sealed bags, you can also seal your food into rationing portions very easily, so that you can save the rest later without causing food spoilage or allowing insects and other vermin access to your food.
If you want to create a stew with dehydrated foods, all one has to do is add water, and heat it all up over a fire.

Native Food 101,
Another thing to pick up is a book that covers edible plants, lichens, mushrooms, roots, nuts and berries that grow in the wild, within your area of residence. A guidebook like this can normally be found at your local Conservationist/Wildlife Agency, and if not there, they can at least point you in the right direction in order to obtain such a guide.
One must never forget, that before the Pilgrims got here, that the Native Tribes had always been gathering edible plants, roots, lichens, mushrooms, nuts and berries since time began. They are everywhere, even in the deserts, albeit different species. All one has to do is look for them.
For instance, did you know that the leaves of the Poke Plant are edible? Boil them up with a touch of salt, and they are really quite good (better than spinach IMHO). Just do not eat the berries, stalk, or roots of this plant, as it will make you extremely sick. Only the leaves are edible. Prickly Pear Cactus can be eaten. After peeling off the outer skin, fry em up, and add some spices if ya like.
Another thing that people who are trying to survive must think about, is other forms of wildlife that can be eaten, besides deer, turkeys, quail, etc... What I mean by this, is that rattlesnake steak is quite good. So is turtle soup. Frog Legs fried up is another such game that most people just don't think about as being edible, along with crayfish. Don't forget about other species of birds, like crow, dove, and even the lowly pigeon. Don't forget about fishing. We have it good in these here States of the Union, with the fact of how many freshwater lakes and streams we have all over the Country. Even some ponds are well stocked.
There is enough food out in nature for all to survive on, if one just opens their mind to the possibilities and learn about what to look for, and where to look for it, and how to gather it.

Smoked meats and fish will also last for quite a while longer.
This is how the Native Americans treated their foods in order to make them last thru the winter months. There are books abound that talk about this practice.

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2007, 12:38:56 PM »
Keeping safe and secure in a world that can track your every movement.....
Some people know about this, and some do not.....
 There are many electronic products out in today's market that can enable Big Brother (Our Gov't) to keep tabs on where you are at, at all times. These items all have tracking chips implanted in them, just for this purpose, so Big Brother can find you anytime they deem necessary.
 These items include....
Cell Phones, all kinds.
Global Positioning Systems (GPS), This includes vehicle systems like On-Star.
Radio Frequency Identification Devices (RFID's),
These tags are found embedded into clothing, and just about every other item imaginable these days.
Some of the newer 2-way walkie talkie radios.
Laptop computers, PDA's, palm pilots, blackberries, pagers, zip drives, flashcards, I-pods, and other MP3 players, just about any and all computerized gear sold on the market today is chipped for tracking.
 When the day comes for all of us to disappear to the woods for survival, when the SHTF, I would suggest that you leave all these devices behind, and make sure that there are no RFID tags in any of the rest of your gear or clothing. Everything being produced today, including packed food items all have these damnable tags embedded in them, or on them. Big Brother wants to know where you are, at all times, and keeping these electronic devices near your en-campment will make it that much easier for them to find you. These devices are extremely small, with new ones being produced today that are the size of a grain of sand, so take heed, and thoroughly check all your gear, clothing and foodstuffs.
 Otherwise, they will have to use the rest of their equipment to find you, which includes Sattilite Reconnisance Systems and Remote Controlled Drones, which one can hide from more easily. These devices can track your movements in infrared, so having something that can block your heat signatures would be a big plus.

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #47 on: August 20, 2007, 12:39:42 PM »
Tactical "Toys"
An item that I bought a couple of years ago, for fun with my neices and nephews for when they visit, is a water balloon slingshot, which is capable of launching a water filled balloon over 300 yards. The reason I brought this up, is that an item like this can be packed away using a very small space, weighs very little, but could be used as a defensive weapon, with the capability of lobbing molotov cocktails 300 yards away. It could also be used for lobbing extra mags to another buddy in need who is spaced farther away from your position. All that is needed for one of these slingshots is two trees, poles, or sides to an open window to attach the ends to. Even tho this item is considered a "toy", there are alot of uses for this type of item. The rubber tube straps can be used as a tourniquet in an emergency situation, or used to siphon fluids from one container to another, just to name a couple.
Don't forget about RC Cars, RC off-road trucks, dunebuggys, tanks, along with RC boats and hovercrafts, and RC Helicopters. Heck, they even have RC blimps these days.

Another reason why I brought this up is the fact that in a pinch, other "toys" could be used for defensive/offensive operations like radio controlled devices modified to give an extra "punch" on impact, monitoring operations like baby monitors and spykids toys, extra battery resources can be came by, by removing the batteries out of childrens toy motor vehicles which are usually 12 V DC along with other usable parts, small go karts could be modified as small one person, fast moving attack vehicles, etc...One only has to think about other items in a strategic mindset, and if you live in an Urban area, know that there will be many items around that others will not think about using.
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #48 on: August 20, 2007, 12:41:19 PM »
Home Defence Problems & Senarios......
Other things to think about concerning home defence.......
If all one has to do is defend one's home against 1 or 2 crack heads or meth addicts, this can be easily achieved, as only the person who owns that home, knows the home, so any such attacker as these could be put down with relative ease, even if they were armed.
Now, if a person or two was trying to defend their home from more than 2 attackers, by themselves, then major problems are going to arise. One or two persons cannot keep an eye out covering all windows in a home, thus a group of attackers can easily take over your home. There is no such thing as keeping a 360° view of your surroundings at all times, unless you happen to have one window that wraps around your entire home, with no blockages and that window is bulletproof, or you have CCTV cameras pointed in every direction out from your home with TV monitors set up in your basement with someone watching the monitors during all hours.
While just one person sitting out in a field, or behind a tree can lay down a supressive fire or drawing fire in order to make you react and fire back, another person could easily sneak up on the opposite side of the building and toss a molotov cocktail onto your roof. Then you'll be trying to defend a burning building, or leaving your home, entering direct fire from your attackers.
Or, in this senario, what will you do if an APC (Armored Personel Carrier) pulls up onto your front yard, armed with a Co-axial controlled automatic weapons system, which fires both a 45mm gun, and a 7.62 gun? How will you defend your home then? Or in the case of what happened at Waco back in '93 where a Tank drove right into the building and started spewing CS gas all over the place, then what would you do?
Or, another senario could be a blackhawk helicopter flies above your house dropping troops onto your roof. How will you defend against that?
Basically, what I'm saying here is that when (not if) the SHTF, you best BO (bug-out) because what is going to be happening is something in which it will be impossible to defend your home from. This is why you better have a back up plan and another place to go. Your home will not be safe, unless you plan on dying needlessly trying to save what is yours (material stuff), when it's your life, and the lives of your loved ones that are more important in senarios such as these. Living out in a rural area will help immensely, but you can still easily come under attack in a house. Living in a brick covered house will only delay the inevitable. 50 Cal. armored peircing rounds can easily penetrate brick, not too mention an average house is susceptible to fire.
Even a home built like a bunker will not keep you safe for very long. If whoever it is attacks you, and wants you dead, they WILL call in either an air strike, or artillery, which in both cases, you will be screwed!
Mind you that what I'm saying here is not meant to be offensive to anyone, but that one really needs to have a back-up plan and BO area in which to get to just in case.
The most important "things" to be defending, is Yourself and Your Loved Ones!
Shelter can be re-built. Other items can be re-aquired thru time. Food can be hunted for, gathered, or grown. Water supplies can be found else-where. It's Your LIFE and the Lives of Your Loved Ones that You cannot Ever get back if they are lost!
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #49 on: August 20, 2007, 12:41:54 PM »
Storage Torpedoes:
This is a project that I'd like to share for those who have a very limited space in which to store things within their homes or apartments. This item is also easy to build, easy to waterproof, are crushproof to a degree, bug and worm proof, and can be buried wherever one can. As they say, one shouldn't ever, store all their stuff in just one place.
Storage Torpedoes are made from 4-5' long sections of 6" diameter PVC Piping. Lowes sell 10' sections of this pipe for around $26. One 10' section can make two very durable and waterproof storage moduals. All that is needed besides the pipe are slip on caps, a can of PVC Pipe Glue, a tube of silicone, and some cardboard. These items are needed in order to make Food Storage Torpedoes.
Take your 10' section of pipe, and cut it in half, making two 5' sections, or you can make 2 - 4' sections which will make them a little easier to bury. Anyway you do it, is up to you.
Take one section and grab an end cap. Apply PVC pipe glue to the inside of the cap walls, and slide it onto the section of pipe. This will dry really fast, so you want to be sure to get that cap seated fast. Once your done doing that, take the tube of silicone, and make a bead all the way around the pipe, where the end cap stops. This will completely waterproof this end. Allow to dry.
Next, cut cardboard rounds to 6" diameter. These will be the food rationing seperators. Usually, if well packaged, and we'll use MRE's as an example for this Torpedo, 4 MRE packs will fit side by side in this tube. So take 4 MRE's, put them all together in the other end of pipe, place a cardboard round over them, and push them on into the pipe. Keep repeating this step over and over till the pipe is completely full.
A 4' section of pipe can hold a 5 day supply of MRE's for 4 people for one meal each. 5' sections will hold 6 day supply for 4 people with one meal for each person, each day.
Once you have filled this pipe, just slide on the next cap without glueing it, and tap it down till it's seated well. Take a knife and make a gouge in this cap, so this way you'll know which end is the easy end to open.
Once seated, where the cap meets the pipe, use your silicone to seal it up. After this silicone bead dries, it's now ready to be buyried. The reason why you only use silicone to seal one end without glueing on the cap, is so you can more easily cut that seal with a knife later, so you can extract what you have stored. Since the other end was glued and sealed, and after you have used up the contents of this tube, it could then be used for water storage, by standing it up on it's sealed end and tying it against a tree.
Now, some pvc pipe is blue and some is white, but this is easily fixable. After you have it all sealed up, and the silicone beads are dry, just shoot the whole thing with some plastic bonding, green or brown spray paint. Just make sure that you can still see the groove you made on the end that is the easy open end of this pipe. The only thing left to do after that, is to bury it, length wise into the ground, and remember where you placed it.
For food storage, it is better to bury your Food Torpedo at least 16" deep. This way the food won't get overly hot in the summer, or freeze in the winter. MRE's buryied 16" deep, will easily store for 10 years. Anything else stored, really won't matter on temp. changes, so those Torpedoes could be just 2-3" below surface.
These Storage Torpedoes can be used to store a wide variety of items, ie...two rifles, magazines and ammo will fit easily into one, just be sure to add some form of desiccant so as to keep your guns and ammo rust free. Fishing gear, extra clothing, extra blankets, some camping gear, extra tents, tarps, rope, two way radios and other electronic gear + desiccant, extra batteries + desiccant, etc...the list could go on and on.
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2007, 12:43:03 PM »
Now, how bout we talk a lil bout "Armor" plating. The easiest and cheapest way to armor plate say a flak jacket is by adding in some plate steel. Granted this "armor" won't be the best, but it would be better than nothing at all. Kevlar can be bought in fabric rolls, but this is highly expensive, and kevlar breaks down after a period because of UV rays from the sun. You can add pieces of plate steel easily, by drilling holes near the edge, and literally riveting them into a jacket or whatever, just use fairly large washers before riveting them in, so that the fabric will last longer. Ie, you will sandwich more fabric using washers with the steel plates, than with just the rivets themselves. Also, doing this will add weight. The more weight you carry on foot, the faster your going to get worn down while running, and slower you will move. The thing about this type of "armor" is that armor piercing rounds won't be stopped by it, but if a grenade or mortar rd goes off near by you, you will have a higher rate of survivability than with nothing at all. There are always pro's and con's with everything.
Want Body Armor? Check out this site.....
http://www.survivormall.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=17
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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #51 on: August 20, 2007, 12:43:47 PM »
"Personal Hygene" Tip...
"Thai Crystals" for the arm-pits, the plastic cannister weighs just 4.25 ounces: one cannister lasts for one person, a year. I think they are about $6.25 a piece. And another added bonus is they give off no aroma and can also be used on the feet.
They are produced by Deodorant Stones of America, P.O. Box 5442, Scottsdale, AZ 85261; 1-480-451-4981.

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #52 on: August 20, 2007, 12:44:10 PM »
The link below is for US Army Survival Manual: FM 21-76 where you can view the book for free.

I have been searching the book shops for the ultimate survuval manual. Most are hardly worth the paper they are printed on, and that especially includes the popular "survival" books which tend to contain potentially deadly errors and omissions. The main problem with these "worst case" books and others is that most readers, unfortunately, have no way of knowing what is accurate and what is fantasy. For readers who wish to stick to nonfiction, this book is your best choice.

This is the newer civilian version of the Army survival book, that concentrates on the straightforward survival material a civilian going camping may need to know. It is writen in vary accessible easy to understand language, and you do not need to be an expert. The material includes information on Navigation and compass use. Health & Hygiene in the outdoors to prevent sickness, including first aid. Hazards in the wild to watch out for.

Foods and where to find them including harvesting and identifying native plants and vegetables. How to fish and tons of unusual different ways to catch them with local materials that actually work; other food from fresh water sources. Trapping mammals, rodents, reptiles, insects, catching birds, and more including how to dress and prepare these. Cooking, preserving food in the wild. Vital information on the many methods of fire making including without matches or lighter.

One of the most important chapters tells you how to find the most important element you need to survive. Water from Plants, digging for water, purifying found water, and building a solar water still. Other chapters include Climate and Weather, Travel, finding or building Shelter, Clothing, Health, Survival at Sea, Poisonous Snakes, signaling for help, what to do if you are lost, and much more ...

An extremely useful book for the camper to keep in their supplies. One very nice treat... the version sold here differs from the real surplus military version in that it offers color photos of the plants (original military version was black and white), and it is very comprehensive. While there are books available on edible and poisonous plants that are more specialized, the material here is very adequate for inclusion in this manual. All in all, one of the best books on the survival subject, well rounded and very detailed.

Oh, and remember again this book has been modified for civilian use. The original title of manual FM 21-76 when it was written for the military was "Survival, Evasion, and Escape", rather than this newer version that is specifically titled only "Survival".

The military chapters of the original book dealing with evasion tactics and escape methods have been removed. If you feel you need that info too, buy an older version with the full title intact.

http://www.equipped.org/fm21-76.htm

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Re: Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?
« Reply #53 on: August 20, 2007, 12:46:13 PM »
Here is a link with tons of information links so that anyone can more thoroughly learn about all the risks of chemical/biological/nuclear problems, along with tons of other informational websites......
http://disasterlinks.net/

This site has numerous free online e-books to learn even more about nuclear fallout and how to protect yourself better....
http://www.ki4u.com/webpal/d_resources/survival/books/books.htm

Free Online Survival Manuals......
Can be located here, and can be downloaded free, and or printed off for free, so check it out......
http://www.ahrimangate.com/freePDFpage.htm
These survival manuals cover just about everything concerning surviving just about any situation that could happen, in any case or senario. Do yourself a favor and read them all, and print them off for future reference.

Gieger Counters and Kearney Fallout Meters ( http://www.campingsurvival.com/homradmeasde.html ) From the website at the left, you can either order the kit form of the KFM for $32.95 and put it together yourself, or buy one already assembled for $64.95.
Gieger Counters however are very expensive to purchase, but here are a couple of websites that offer them...
http://www.campingsurvival.com/nupecokeycha.html
http://www.geigercounters.com/
http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/geiger_counter.html
http://www.imagesco.com/geiger/geiger-counter.html

Get a book and teach yourself how to make Macrame, which is making items from rope or twine. Learning this will help you to make your own fishing nets, which can come in quite handy, especially if your out of other fishing gear. You can also make quite a few other cool things, like your own hammocks, or even hanging chairs. Why sleep on the ground, when you really don't need too?

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« Reply #54 on: August 20, 2007, 01:19:30 PM »
Night Vision Escape.....

Here's another item that will help you in staying in stealth mode at night against others who are using Night Scopes, searching for you....Buy a few Emergency Blankets, double sided Reflect-Insulate.
When you wear one of these over your body you will start heating up, because the blanket reflects your own body heat back towards you instead of outwards, you can become virtually invisible to anyone looking thru a Night Scope. This is because the reflective side agaist your body doesn't allow that heat signature thru the blanket to be picked up by infra-red night scopes.
They are silver on both sides, which would stand out in the night quite well, even if they blocked out your heat signature, but there's a really easy fix to this...just simply line a pair of pants, and a hooded jacket with this blanket "fabric", and then the silver will no longer show.
This emergency blanket "fabric" is exceptionally thin, yet tough, so making it into a liner in pants and a jacket really wouldn't add much weight or bulk to whatever clothes you plan on wearing. Thing about this easy idea, is that you will have to watch yourself because the heat inside can build if your doing alot of physical activity, like running for your life!

RWS

SO freekin' kool.  Thanks for this tip.  I was looking for an idea on this.  You can by that reflective material at a dollar store.  I just bought 4 reflective blankets for cold nights, but I now know I can use it for stealth movement at night.

Best advice yet, thanks,


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« Reply #55 on: August 20, 2007, 05:02:53 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2007, 05:16:18 PM »
Hey everyone, I'm new to this form, even though Ive been listening to Alex Jones for a while. Anyways, I'm 17, and my family thinks I am a little crazy for believing this stuff. So basically, as of now, I don't have access to a safe house or supply cache outside of my city. What would you guess suggest as a starter kit that I could keep in my closet to at least help me get out of my town. I already have a planned escape route that is secluded so I'm good on that. Ive been hearing about a short wave radio to start off? Any suggestions would help. Thanks.

I'm in a similar position to you, being only 18. This thread seems to have quite a bit of valuable information and discussion on what to pack in an emergency 72 hour kit (read the whole thread).

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« Reply #57 on: August 20, 2007, 05:24:34 PM »
im moving out of the city in about a year and a half, thats as soon as i can manage it

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« Reply #58 on: August 20, 2007, 05:50:23 PM »
If and when Martial Law gets implemented, one needs to think about LTS (Long Term Survival) and the gear that will help you to accomplish LTS.
 
 Marmalade>The thread that you posted the link for has good ideas in them, but mainly for STS (Short Term Survival) senarios.

The difference between STS and LTS is that in STS situations, you will be able to go back home, or even stay home during the situation, ie like after a natural disaster.
 LTS however means that you will have to survive indefinately away from your home, so therefore the gear that you will need, has to be considered for a situation like bugging out for good, away from a city that has been clamped down under Martial Law, with armed NWO goonsquads running around all the time.
 Also, under the LTS situation, one may have to become nomadic, in order to keep from being captured by enemy forces. Being nomadic means that all your gear, food, ammo, medicine and yourself, will have to remain extremely mobile, meaning that one campsite just ain't gonna do it.

Some Native American Tribes were nomadic in that during the winter months, they traveled south, and in the summer months they traveled north, and they traveled to follow their main game, which at that time was Buffalo. This example however is to show that being nomadic had its advantages, but like everything else, there are Pro's and Con's to every situation. It's just one more thing to seriously think about when considering your choices that you make when it comes to survival gear.

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« Reply #59 on: August 20, 2007, 06:10:47 PM »
There are surely many parallels between what you'd need for STS and LTS though? Such as clothing, fire starting equipment, etc..

As to LTS survival though, DEFINITELY learn about edible foods, medicinal uses for plant life, and how to hunt (e.g. trap, snare, bow). Also, try to learn skills that will be of use long-term, particular creating goods for trade, growing foods, etc..

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« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2007, 06:56:07 PM »
Hey everyone, I'm new to this form, even though Ive been listening to Alex Jones for a while. Anyways, I'm 17, and my family thinks I am a little crazy for believing this stuff. So basically, as of now, I don't have access to a safe house or supply cache outside of my city. What would you guess suggest as a starter kit that I could keep in my closet to at least help me get out of my town. I already have a planned escape route that is secluded so I'm good on that. Ive been hearing about a short wave radio to start off? Any suggestions would help. Thanks.


My experience; I ended up returning the crank-able Grundig shortwave to Radio shack that was about 40 bucks, because it always drifted off the station,... but I was trying to listen to Alex  while I did other things, so that particular radio might be fine if you hold the tuner. It's small and pretty light with no batteries. It was the best I could find locally as far as crank SW radios. I'm sure there are better ones out there.

There's a lot of good ideas on this thread already for your kit, but the best tools will be kept in your memory. Knowledge is lightweight, and you may not be able to reach your pack when you want to disappear.

This thread also suggests that you don't really need a water filter, which is true, but don't drink water you're not sure of. One amoeba or a swarm of bacteria in your gut will hamper your stealth to say the least! Being unsure, dig a hole in a sandy area near a stream or other water source, to below the water level, and in a while it should fill with water that has filtered through the soil. See the link for an easy read on more of these tips.

Here's a page on ways to get safe water if you have no filter;
http://standeyo.com/News_Files/Water/Finding_Survival_Water3.html

Just think "food-water-shelter". I can recommend any book by Bradford Angier, for example,.. he makes survival sound like a holiday. Memorize as much as possible, cause when you need the book it may be across town or loaned out or whatever.

Books are heavy,... the only one I will want is an Edible Wild Plant book with pictures.
There are good ones with drawings of the plants, and drawings can often be more accurate than photos, but that depends on the artist(s).

Hope that helps. I'm no survival pro, I just got into it when I was little for some reason.  A serious survival kit would have a First Aid Kit for serious injury, for one thing,...  there are sites that have the serious lists, if you search 'survival-kit' you'll have it.

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« Reply #61 on: August 21, 2007, 07:22:54 AM »
Depends on the situation...

Martial Law declared:
Get all the food, water, batteries and anything else you need, trying to avoid anything electronic or that can track you and go underground, find somewhere safe, hide, and keep going from place to place...

World War 3:
Same as Martial Law if something like mandatory military service is introduced.
If Nukes, pray go what ever god you pray to and put a bullet in your skull imo...

Any basic skills helps (knowing where to find fresh water, what berries and mushrooms are edible, how to catch and cook wildlife, how to build a shelter, how to start a fire etc etc)

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« Reply #62 on: August 21, 2007, 01:11:37 PM »
While I am more likely to take action than run and hide :) I am interested in a place I can send my close family to hide out... thus I've been considering what a good underground shelter would be.

  An artesian well is possible in my area (West TN) so I'm not terribly concerned with fresh water (unless I'm on the move), but electricity is a concern...  Solar is nice, but not really something you can use while *underground*  So.. I was thinking... Simply place a water sealed waterwheel under a powerfull stream, (uncovering only the 1/2) then have it's spinning cause a long shaft to rotate an electric generator. When a stream suddenly goes from wide to narrow Bernoulli's principle of physics dictates that the stream will flow faster... meaning higher RPMs
  The whole thing would be underwater/underground... and thus not easy to recognise.

  I imagine it's also possible to find some sort of way to tap into a pocket of natural gas to drive a small turbine/generator. I've heard that in some places you can have your own natural gas well, but I'm pretty sure such places are few and far between. Just like natural geothermal power.

  I suppose I'll have to go 18th century, and just have a hand pumped artesian well. 

Duh... storable foods, , suger and kool-aid / crystal light etc., propane tanks and a propane cooker, handcrank LED flashlights, laterns, radios, guns n ammo, and something many forget... Entertainment!  books!, musical instruments, a lowpower cd player rigged up to a hand crank... bottles of wine / vodka etc., specialty food items, etc. etc. 

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« Reply #63 on: August 21, 2007, 05:25:53 PM »
What will you bring for alcohol?  Bud? Jack Daniels?  Look, I want to survive with a smile on my face  ;D


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« Reply #64 on: August 21, 2007, 08:21:39 PM »
Haha im with you on that brother.If we have enough numbers and we engage in our gorilla warfare the right way they cant beat us. And right we definetly cant stay in the cities if all this starts to go down.Head to the hills,find a cave and make yourselves a home and then we can organize and move against the enemy and take over our local government buildings and if it comes down to it we die fighting.Bows and arrows might not be such a bad idea lol.Hundreds of archers are quite a force to be f***ed with.
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« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2007, 08:46:02 PM »
A great article.Its pretty much in line with all the posts on this thread.We freedom fighters need to get self-sufficient and arm ourselves.
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« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2007, 10:37:56 PM »
Know all edible and medical plant life usages.  Desert and mountainous terrain would be the most treacherous.  Especially for junk food castaways.  If your left with nothing, then at the least study before you get stranded.  Most importantly..hide from radars, infra-red..etc.. cause if it does turn into nazi germany here, your not facing 1943 technology..

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« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2007, 11:04:13 PM »
I just got me one of these  ;D.  Poor dear!

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« Reply #68 on: August 24, 2007, 07:11:53 AM »
Great thread people. Wish we could buy some of this stuff in the UK.

One question... how can I be sure I have no tracking tags/RFID in my gear?

Two books I just bought:

SAS Survival Guide by John Lofty Wiseman (Collins Gem)
Food for Free by Richard Mabey (Collins Gem)

They are only 11.5 x 8cm big so pack away in your kit easily.

Berkey Water Filter... been using the SS2 at home. Great piece of kit!

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« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2007, 11:26:58 AM »
Another possible tactic for getting out of a city that's been locked down under Martial Law...

 Go back to video clips of New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, and carefully watch and write down what the Mercs/Troops/Cops were wearing as they were going house to house to un-constitutionally remove firearms from the people. This will have to include the initial BDU outfit, along with boots, vest, knee pads, shin pads, elbow pads, helmet, etc....and your firearms will at least have to have a military look to them. Carrying a single shot 22 rifle would immediately give you away, as just an example, but there are items that you can buy, that can turn a regular Ruger 10/22 Rifle, into looking like an assault weapon, ie...like a black synthetic folding stock, a dbl muzzel brake, 30 rd banana clips, a laser dot scope, tactical lights mounted, etc...

 Start going to companies that sell these types of Battle Dress Uniforms and start buying yourself all the gear that you remember seeing the goons wearing in New Orleans, until you have a full battle dress uniform of your own. Do a search for BDU's (Battle Dress Uniforms) in order to find those companies.

 Now, if Martial Law ever gets implemented in your city, put on the full uniform, and hopefully you will blend in enough to "become one of them" long enough to get out of that town. If you get stopped at a checkpoint, mildly act retarded, as you won't know their pass-words, and they may blow you off as being a lowly recruit, who just forgot. This tactic may just work, but then again, it may not, but it's a chance, if there are no other ways to get out. At least, if you were wearing a full Battle Dress Uniform, that looked like theirs, you could at least walk around fully armed without too many eyebrows raised, dependant of course upon what firearms those were.

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« Reply #70 on: August 24, 2007, 11:35:49 AM »
This reminds me of something we were taught (army training) waaay back in my basic training days:

If ever captured and become a prisoner of war // a number of people grab a mop, a bucket, a shovel, a pick and walk towards the gate as if YOU KNOW what your're supposed to be doing.  Like on an expected everyday work detail, nothing out of the ordinary.  Acting as if YOU KNOW what is expected of you by those 'in charge' // just doing their bidding // staying calm cool and collected and acting otherwise normal, which may not cause unwanted attention in your direction // Who knows the guards must might open the gates wide and let you walk out.  Those are the kinda things we were taught and you are expected to try, granted it might very well be at your own peril --but a person can't give up -- think about it, and then do it.
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« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2007, 12:45:53 PM »
.............WARNING...........

"Do not eat mushrooms in a survival situation! The only way to tell if a mushroom is edible is by positive identification. There is no room for experimentation. Symptoms of the most dangerous mushrooms affecting the central nervous system may show up after several days have passed when it is too late to reverse their effects."

(From army survival guide; http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=2587.0 )

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« Reply #72 on: August 24, 2007, 03:49:29 PM »
That mushroom thing, that's a good point, even if you're not fighting for your life in a survival situation, doing nothing more than simply strolling along the forest some day and come upon some interesting-colored mushrooms, ones that you feel inclinded to pick for evening supper -- just to impress the girl you're with with you extensive mastery of survival skills.  Probably not a good idea doing that, unless you've a time-tested expert: 

Photographs of (some) poisionous mushrooms:
http://www.naturallist.com/fungipoi.htm
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« Reply #73 on: August 24, 2007, 03:56:16 PM »
If the mushroom is found on cow minor, it may cause happiness when eaten.  Shrooms tend to do that.  ;D


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« Reply #74 on: August 24, 2007, 04:34:34 PM »
When eaten?  What?  The cow manure its growing it, or the mushrooms? -- or after the first two or three 'rooms' it doesn't much matter // the whole darn cow starting with the 'out-take' rear end and working your way up to 'in-take' front end of the cow.  Please be more specific. 

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« Reply #75 on: August 24, 2007, 05:12:37 PM »
I think these can replace a bad day.....just kidding


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« Reply #76 on: August 24, 2007, 09:43:06 PM »
Using ice as a magnifying glass? Cmon now people  ???

A magnesium fire starter is a much better option if no matches/lighters are available. Hell, even the soda can and chocolate bar method is better than that.

For radios, check out C-Crane, great hand cranked radios.

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« Reply #77 on: August 25, 2007, 12:21:55 AM »
Using ice as a magnifying glass? Cmon now people  ???

A magnesium fire starter is a much better option if no matches/lighters are available. Hell, even the soda can and chocolate bar method is better than that.

For radios, check out C-Crane, great hand cranked radios.

Ice is for an emergency solution, for when there is no survival kit, it's winter, and sunny.
I hate to think how cold my hands would get shaping the darn thing into a lens, but if I had to, I could, and I hope I don't, but if I do, I will make it work.
I'm not familiar with the soda can and chocolate bar method, but if it involves me eating the chocolate bar, I will probably want to practice it. How does it work? 

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« Reply #78 on: August 25, 2007, 12:50:42 AM »
this is a little of topic... but I do understand whats going on and how much trouble we're in, Ive got guns, gold, im gonna get a water filter soon, and I do know someone that owns 17 acres in the middle of nowhere that I can get to in 20 minutes when shit does go down. But my question is this.... I just graduated college in May, money isnt that much of a problem right now. Ive got the opportunity to go though a 6 month internship program that will land me a full time job. So my question is should I do it.... I mean what's the point? I realize I have no future (at least for a while) I know this sounds kinda stupid but what would any of you do if you were in this position? I just woke up to all this only about 6 months ago, even though I feel like Ive got a pretty good grasp on what's going on and what's gonna happen I just wanted some input from someone who has known about this longer than I have. What would you do? Any feedback is appreciated.
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« Reply #79 on: August 25, 2007, 01:24:17 AM »
this is a little of topic... but I do understand whats going on and how much trouble we're in, Ive got guns, gold, im gonna get a water filter soon, and I do know someone that owns 17 acres in the middle of nowhere that I can get to in 20 minutes when shit does go down. But my question is this.... I just graduated college in May, money isnt that much of a problem right now. Ive got the opportunity to go though a 6 month internship program that will land me a full time job. So my question is should I do it.... I mean what's the point? I realize I have no future (at least for a while) I know this sounds kinda stupid but what would any of you do if you were in this position? I just woke up to all this only about 6 months ago, even though I feel like Ive got a pretty good grasp on what's going on and what's gonna happen I just wanted some input from someone who has known about this longer than I have. What would you do? Any feedback is appreciated.

I understand that feeling; pointlessness. It's the conditioning trying to reclaim us.
The future is totally pliable, it could be the only thing hitting the fan for you is a great opportunity.
Being self-empowered with knowledge allows us to envision the future with confidence, if we so choose.
If things do indeed snap, we will win, that's what I know. Hope that helps.