Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[user111]

Please forgive me,but I am setting here laughing my ass off at you people.
I have lived in the bush for nearly 20 years,and am presently on a "sat" connection,and nearly everything I have seen shows that if this ever does happen,and I don't think it will,your all screwed.
Geezzz people,read what your writing,one guy needs a 6x6 just to carry his crap,and another tells you to put your guns in trees.Yet another says bring lots of books to fight boredom,yer kidding me right?.
This ain't no freekin camping trip you people are talking about here.
If your all that serious this is gonna happen,you should be learning and training yourselves right now on how to survive,not how much I can read or what to take with me,my gosh.
I go to town 2 times a year for what I need,the rest I hunt,fish or grow,and I rarely have time to read as I am to freeking tired after sustaining my life here.
You really think these people won't look in trees?,gees.I have my eye on trees everytime I am out.
Come on people,you can do better than this.

[adissenter2]

user111, you must be an expert if you have been at it for 20 years... I am looking forward to you giving your advise to all of us on wilderness survival

my only experience in the wilds are on hunting trips in western Montana and I know the lighter a person packs the easier it is to function, so my point of advise to everyone is to prepare to go without what your lifestyle has depended on in the past...  this is serious... can you even conceive going without in order to survive?

[setmefree]

Some say they think nothing is going to happen.  The dollar is falling and what happens when it is worth nothing.  Will we get issued a new currency and how much will we get in exchange for what we had in american $ ?  Half of what it was worth?  A quarter of what it was worth?  Nothing for it?  Will the micro-chip come then?  We will be in a cashless society.  Don't think things are not going to get extremely bad.  I don't know about hiking into the woods to live or anything about that but what happens when you go to the grocery store and the shelves are empty?  How do I pay my credit card debt when the dollar falls completley and they no longer accept my money? Or will it?  I have no idea what's comin but I really feel there will not be an election.  In the event of an economy crashing, he (king george) will declare martial law, suspend elections and further enslave us all.  And this guy stands outside in front of reporters dancing his stupid ass around like everything is just peachy, well in his mind I guess it is.  He done his job, he's bankrupted america just as he did that baseball team.  Thanks alot georgie.  I'm ashamed. 

[user111]

Well,Think about it.The first thing my experience tells me is that living in any city is just stupid.That's the first place anyone is going to look.Think about it again,you live in a city for a reason and the other guys are gonna be there for the same reasons,MORE PEOPLE.
Lesson number 1. IF YOU ARE A CITY PERSON,be realistic enough to admit it,you'll never make it in my world and Get the hell out of the city,find a small affordable town and learn to live on less,and I mean small,like 100 to 200 population,and teach yourself to live on less,alot less.Learn to garden,fish,can,heat with wood,use less electric,and even hunt.Raise a dozen chickens.My own 12 give me 6 eggs a day,everyday and eat very little as I let them run free in the yard.Drive an old truck or car and pitch that new one.Lose the freeking debt people right now.
I can name a state in the north central midwest that has dirt cheap houses in these small towns I am speaking of with even cheaper taxes,and no population,do your homework,less than 660K in the whole state.
But Geee Mr. User111,it's so cold there,uh huh,sure is,so stay where ya are cry baby,like I said,because if you can't make it in a small town ( the 2nd to last place on anyone's hit list ),you sure as heck are not gonna make it in the woods,in my world,and I am not gonna take care of you if you try,sorry,but you have to hold your own in my world.
And those small houses in those small towns are less than 10K  and still close enough ( 40 to 50 miles ) so you can shop at that Chinese super store,what's the name of it,,,,oh yeah,Walmart.You know the one you people have been supporting all these years so they can reinforce the Chinese military.A friend told me of a house that's livable in a no crime,small,small town last week for 3500.00 and another fixer upper for 2500.00.
Think people,what's a helicoptor and heavy armor cost not to mention the people to run them,you really think they are gonna waste their time on a small town with nothing to offer their cause,when their are big cities to claim FIRST.Seems like the small town is the place for the present city dweller to escape to with or with out a family,where he/she can hone their skills and watch,listen and learn.
So many lessons and so little battery time.
I didn't mean to hurt your precious feelings,just stating facts.I live where I live because I don't like all the people and BS and hoopla,and I get along fine,but for a city dweller or anyone with no or even back woods skills,the simple fact of having no one around can be quite dangerous emotionally.I have seen it happen out here.
One other thing,before you leave that big city,talk your Dr. into giving you scripts for things you might need,antibiotics or emergency inhalers for you allergy sufferers etc,you get my point.These are hard to find and would be harder to get.Food is easy,keeping yourself alive after a mishap might be harder without them.Think about it,got to run.

[superfender]

I think its important to prepare for the worst, especially if you have a wife/husband and kids, whatever that calls for, i.e. storing food, ect., but I think its important that throughout it all we keep a good attitude and do EVERYTHING in our very soul to stop and expose these people peacefully, and wake as many people up, and try to get every ground breaking news story to be reported on mainstream news....  Can you imagine how many people would wake up if Lou Dobbs had Alex on for a full hour?  Lou owes him.......

[yanaar]

OK, good luck with your permanent camping trip. I'm certain that after a year living outside you'll look just fabulous. lol

I did look fabulous. (2 years camped twenty miles back to protest a logging.)  I grew stronger, my leg muscles became incredible, I could easily hike 10 miles from base with full pack, my hands calloused, my face weathered, my hair sunbleached, and I felt terrific.  (in fact, that's where I was when 911 hit.)  Living outdoors is rough... but it can make you strong.

[WeAreChangeNewMexico]

Guns, food, water, gold and silver....

* Watch the television show "Jericho" and you'll get a good 'whitewashed' version of what will happen!

How will this protect you from Microwave Guns and Tanks?

[user111]

And for those of you that are city dwellers,get on Ebay or Amazon and buy all the back issues of "The Mother Earth News" you can find,as it is the only true back to land,teach you how to take care of youerselves magazine I have ever read and will help you NOW.The older issues are better and have alot more how to info on self sufficiency.
I just love that bullett proof vest photo as I own a Glock myself,but never take it in the bush because it won't stop a Brown bear.
And that vest won't stop a Nato 3.08 round either,so why post it?That vest as shown won't even stop an M-16 2.23 round either,so why post it,or are you trying to tell someone the prize is your gold,silver and 2 glocks?.

[setmefree]

I like how you say get rid of your debt.  I don't have the money to pay it all off.  At the rate I'm going, it's going to take another 10 years.

[Norrin]

At the rate I'm going, it's going to take another 10 years.

You don't have 10 years. 

[setmefree]

Then I guess they won't get their frikken money.

[setmefree]

How many do I have?  want to make sure I get lucky first.

[user111]

I never said pay it off setmefree,,,I said get rid of it.
Seriously,if you really think this BS is gonna happen,you'll stay in harms way,,just because of some debt,that won't matter anyway if the defication hits the rotary occilator?.
When I moved to the back country,my health was shot and I was over weight and I smoked 2 packs a day.20 years later my health is perfect,I don't smoke and I am trim,if that's the right word.
My lesson isn't just meant as a tool for what "might happen",it's a tool for bettering yourself.

[setmefree]

I never said pay it off setmefree,,,I said get rid of it.
Seriously,if you really think this BS is gonna happen,you'll stay in harms way,,just because of some debt,that won't matter anyway if the defication hits the rotary occilator?.
When I moved to the back country,my health was shot and I was over weight and I smoked 2 packs a day.20 years later my health is perfect,I don't smoke and I am trim,if that's the right word.
My lesson isn't just meant as a tool for what "might happen",it's a tool for bettering yourself.

Well, unlike the government I like to pay back money that I borrow.  Of course if the troops come to my door at 3 am to haul me away well I guess the credit card company is SOL.  I pay my debt and have for years on time because I was trying to build good credit to someday buy a home on my own but I guess that idea is in the can.  I will keep paying until I can't anymore, that is my responsibility.  I have a place to go in a small town far away from a big city if need be.

[user111]

Well then your good to go,you have a plan of some type,good for you.I admire your integrity.
I personally don't think anything is going to happen overnight anyway as people wouldn't stand for it.Slow,abit at a time maybe,but not overnight.
But then,I live in the middle of no where,where no one comes,and hence,the news passes me by all to often unless I get on here when I can.

[setmefree]

yes, it's a small 2 bedroom cottage on a small lake.  About all I'm capable of doing is stocking up on food and that's what I'll work on.  I don't have any firearms, I wish I would have taken lessons and got one but I never did.  My car is 8 years old and just today I was thinking I need a new one because my "service engine" light is on now and then I thougt no I don't want anymore debt but I hate taking it to get fixed, I always get taken.

[user111]

setmefree,sounds like an 02 senser in your car there based on the year.If taken to a small shop,tell them you think your 02 senser is bad as the check engine light is on and ask them how much to check and repair it if that's the problem.Should be right around 100.00 or less
I am basing this on the fact that it is running ok,but the light came on.
Many autos,the light comes on at a certain mileage too,so a way to check,is to dis-connect the battery terminals and then re-connect them.When you start the car,it will reset the computer and the light will go off,if it comes on later,say the next drive or the next day,I would then check the 02 senser.It's an easy fix and saves buying a new car which you definately don't need right now.Hope that helped you.Now,back to my smoked Salmon and wild berries,take care

[Virgil_Hilts]

Get into the military and fight them from the inside. Do I hear friendly fire?

[la Resistance]

You people...WTF do you think you're doing? "Hiding Out"?  Don't you know that staying in one place is the absolute MOST DANGEROUS thing you can do during the event of martial law?

You don't need to be so damn rude. You might have an infinite amount of petrol, a steel-reinforced back and live in an area with abundant natural food and clean water, but most of us do not.

I understand what you're saying, it's the sitting-duck argument, but it's not wrong to have a base you can fall-back to. Nobody's saying you have to stay there 24/7...

[setmefree]

setmefree,sounds like an 02 senser in your car there based on the year.If taken to a small shop,tell them you think your 02 senser is bad as the check engine light is on and ask them how much to check and repair it if that's the problem.Should be right around 100.00 or less
I am basing this on the fact that it is running ok,but the light came on.
Many autos,the light comes on at a certain mileage too,so a way to check,is to dis-connect the battery terminals and then re-connect them.When you start the car,it will reset the computer and the light will go off,if it comes on later,say the next drive or the next day,I would then check the 02 senser.It's an easy fix and saves buying a new car which you definately don't need right now.Hope that helped you.Now,back to my smoked Salmon and wild berries,take care

I just hit 100,000 a week ago so...... Does that mean something is wrong?  The 02 senser or just a way for them to make money?  Thanks for the info.  By the way, how is it you have internet living like grizzly adams, lol.

[Norrin]

I personally don't think anything is going to happen overnight anyway as people wouldn't stand for it.Slow,abit at a time maybe,but not overnight.

Unfortunately, the general "sleeping" public will not wake up and take action until they go to the grocery store and all that is on the shelves are ketchup and mustard.  They won't do a damned thing until they are literally starving.  You only need to take a short trip through history to know that what I've just said is true.

[dystopia]

How will this protect you from Microwave Guns and Tanks?

Well the glock can be used to smoke the fool holding the m4 with attached grenade launcher ya see.

You only need enough armament to take out the guy who's got what you need in a hypothetical situation - say if the islamofascists decided they hated our freedom.

A .22 cal pistol or rifle with silencer homemade or otherwise would  probably be better.

[blackwater]

How many of you have been to a third world country?  I spent 6 months in Macedonia and although it's not Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran, I've seen people living on top of mountains in straw huts who herd a few goats for a living.  It's sad, and Americans cannot relate unless they've seen it.

When the dollar totally implodes, your 401k is worthless, you are unemployed and standing in the soup line, you'll start to understand what poverty really is.  You know nothing yet. 

Guns might not save you from "microwave guns," but you'll wish you had a 9mm when people are killing each other for food and water.  Ladies, you'll wish you had a silver dollar when you're contemplating selling your body for some bread.  Get some gold, some silver and some guns.  When paper money is worthless, you'll wish you at least had the means to protect yourself and your family from animals who will rape and murder at the drop of a dime.  That's on top of the need to protect yourself from the government. 

Take $1000 out of your savings and buy a gun and some silver dollars.  At least they will have some value as the dollar crashes.  Buy some freeze dried camping food or some MREs.  Prepare so that you aren't a complete victim of the government and your neighbors when the s@#t hits the fan.

p.s. a gas mask is a small investment that might save your life...   http://cheaperthandirt.com

[user111]

setmefree,,,,I have a solar battery charger to recharge my laptop battery as well as run a few lights and thru a 3000 watt inverter,I can run houshold appliances.I also have a small generator but rarely use it.I heat with wood,cook with wood or propane and heat water with either wood or propane.I also have two home built solar collectors that run thru a 12volt fan for heat.
I have computer and TV both connected thru a "sat" link and I am 150 miles from the closest town and 30 miles from the closet road system.
In case I run out of propane or there is none available,I can subsist entirely on wood and solar.In case a "sat" link goes down,well then,I guess I miss the news,gee,,what a bummer.
In case I am unable to get to town twice as year as now,or there was no staples as I normally buy,then I subsist on what I grow and hunt and fish for along with the veggies Mother nature supplies in season.
I would only mis things like flower,butter and dried beans and rice,all of which I can live without.
Hope that answered your question.
To the poster that mentioned taking someone elses,,,remember also,,there is always someone better than you and that which you might take,might be taken from you.

[NonCompliance]

user111, is this land you own? How much did it cost? Where should someone look?  How did you get away from things?

[setmefree]

setmefree,,,,I have a solar battery charger to recharge my laptop battery as well as run a few lights and thru a 3000 watt inverter,I can run houshold appliances.I also have a small generator but rarely use it.I heat with wood,cook with wood or propane and heat water with either wood or propane.I also have two home built solar collectors that run thru a 12volt fan for heat.
I have computer and TV both connected thru a "sat" link and I am 150 miles from the closest town and 30 miles from the closet road system.
In case I run out of propane or there is none available,I can subsist entirely on wood and solar.In case a "sat" link goes down,well then,I guess I miss the news,gee,,what a bummer.
In case I am unable to get to town twice as year as now,or there was no staples as I normally buy,then I subsist on what I grow and hunt and fish for along with the veggies Mother nature supplies in season.
I would only mis things like flower,butter and dried beans and rice,all of which I can live without.


Dang, I was joking.....I really didn't think you lived like that but hey, great for you.  I'm so used to making so many trips out for things that if I lived like you do, I'd have to make sure I got everything needed in one trip.  What kind of wildlife around?

[setmefree]

Oops I didn't mean to Quote all of that above.  I would love to get away from people though sometimes they just irritate me.

[chilicooker]

How many of you have been to a third world country?  I spent 6 months in Macedonia and although it's not Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran, I've seen people living on top of mountains in straw huts who herd a few goats for a living.  It's sad, and Americans cannot relate unless they've seen it.

When the dollar totally implodes, your 401k is worthless, you are unemployed and standing in the soup line, you'll start to understand what poverty really is.  You know nothing yet. 

Guns might not save you from "microwave guns," but you'll wish you had a 9mm when people are killing each other for food and water.  Ladies, you'll wish you had a silver dollar when you're contemplating selling your body for some bread.  Get some gold, some silver and some guns.  When paper money is worthless, you'll wish you at least had the means to protect yourself and your family from animals who will rape and murder at the drop of a dime.  That's on top of the need to protect yourself from the government. 

Take $1000 out of your savings and buy a gun and some silver dollars.  At least they will have some value as the dollar crashes.  Buy some freeze dried camping food or some MREs.  Prepare so that you aren't a complete victim of the government and your neighbors when the s@#t hits the fan.

p.s. a gas mask is a small investment that might save your life...   http://cheaperthandirt.com

And why is that a bad thing?  A straw hut, in the middle of nowhere is beginning to sound pretty good right now. Having a garden, owning a few goats and chickens?
Poverty? Define poverty. What? They don't have cell phones or satellite TV?
The rape thing I don't condone. I suggest a .45 instead of a 9mm for those who seek rape.
A raging fire for those who prey on children. 
 
Capitalism sucks. I don't care what anyone says. That's exactly what's destroying this nation.
Greed, money and power. Nobody ever has enough of any and nobody is going to do anything about it as long as there is a profit to be had. People buy things that they can't afford and it's all going to be taken away from them soon enough. They just don't get that yet. If you don't own something, somebody else does.
 
Screw your fellow man, what's in it for me? That's what Capitalism really is.  Everybody screws you so you, in turn, screw everyone else. 
Please educate me on how this American system is so wonderful, cause I just don't see it, and I've lived here all my life.

Do whatever, to Bush or Congress. Hang 'em all from the Washington Monument for all I care.  Let's make it a long weekend and have a party afterwards. How isn't this corrupt society just going to start up all over again?

Prostitution was never abolished. Drugs will never be abolished...... no matter how many people you kill or imprison, there will always be someone to take their place, as long as a profit is to be had.

Please enlighten me with your wisdom.   


 

[user111]

Noncompliance,,,,,Yes,this is land I own,however,not in my name.I put it in anothers for saftey sake.I paid 5k for 5 acres,but have millions at my disposal with no neighbors,my closest being 10 miles away by trail.
I own a pickup that sets at the crossraods with others that are parked there at a small store, that I use to get to the closest big town.I have a snow machine and 4 wheeler to make it easier,but can walk,altho it is an all day thing in winter.
If you live in the lower 48,try North Dakota,as there are few people and dirt cheap land in the outlying areas,with even cheaper taxes and close enough to the bigger cities for supplies.If you live in Alaska which has about the same population as ND,try alaska remote properties on the net.
Please note,I thought I was a skilled outdoors man before I came here,,I have learned alot,and only because of my prior skills and my willingness to succeed and learn did I make it.Someone with few skills and limited camping skills would never,ever make it here and I have seen this many times.The lack of survival skills and the loniness you are exposed to will kill a person from the inside out and one is not willing and prepared.IT IS NOT A GAME.
I choose this lifestyle,not because of fear of what may or may not happen,but sinply because I choose it.It is for me,but not for everyone.
My sincerest suggestion for a city dweller is my lesson one above,and try a small town in the sticks in a relitively unpopulated state.Good luck

[user111]

One other thing to remember,where I live,I am not at the top of the food chain.I am down a notch or two under brown and grizzely bears and eat much of the same food they do.I can hide or out run light to heavy armor.I can't hide or out run a bear,and that's a fact.
The desire to live a more basic lifestyle should be a decision based on desire,not the fear of "what if",for if the change is made of desire,then you will never be afraid if the "what if" happens,as you will be prepared for the changes others only hoped would never come.
I  came here to live my life,not run away from anything or anyone,but I am prepared for anything if for no other reason than it's the way I live my life,,,I have to be,my life counts on it.
I am no threat to anyone or anything as I have removed myself from that world so to speak and choose to lve my life in the purest,simplest way possible,and feel I am a far better person now for it.My thoughts on the subject.

[EchelonMonitor]

Live in a small village with a river flowing through it surrounded by farms.
Micro communities and getting back to nature is the key!
Make sure you have no debt!
If you don’t own a property near a good water supply buy one!
Even if this means your larger family’s all selling there houses
to pool enough money to buy a new dwelling (with as much land as possible)
And
Be compliant when they come to chip you!
The UN will only manage you if you are not self sustaining.
If you cannot achieve the above in any way over the next few years, theirs a good chance your life will be managed for you, to the grave

Yes--cities would be death traps.

Besides gold, foreign currencies would be a good idea and easier to carry.  Most banks can get you euros and BR pounds.

Europe will be safer because the population is already under control, not to mention that their police are not usually psychos--they have to go through 4 years of training, not the lame 8 to 12 weeks of US cops, and they aren't taser-crazy.

Also Europe and most other countries still have their small farms (subsidized to insure that they continue operating) so food is not going to be such a problem there.

Alaska sounded like a good idea.  Anywhere that has a good wild food supply, fish, shellfish, wild game, edible plants, etc.

[hyperqube]

hey, you know that wall that ya'll are begging to get built to keep them mexicans out.  what if it's real purpose was to keep you in? of course, it is

[TheNatural]

Interesting to read about your life user111. I respect your choice and I can very well understand that surviving like that is not easy and very few of us are equipped for that these days.

Things will get much tougher Im convinced of that because the world economy will most likely collapse. we see it in the plunging dollar which will, according to financial experts interviewed by Alex Jones, drag the other currencies with it. Like some of you say, I believe cities will be the worst place to be when it all becomes very difficult. The way I see it, food and energy will be vital for survival. I will not overreact and run for the hills. Instead I will stay where I live which is a village of 300 people, not a wasteland but thinly populated. we have plenty of fish in the fjords and fresh waters, people can grow their potatoes and berries and the area is overgrown with trees. I don't have a fireplace for wood yet, but it's easy to install and I already have dry wood to keep us for a couple of winters.
In Norway we have subsidized farming still, even though the pro-EU forces are working to make them bigger and fewer. One of the reasons for subsidizing frams in a very high-cost and difficult land to farm is exactly in case of a global crisis. We have two dairy farms, one pig farm and one egg farm in our small village. Even today I go directly to the farmers to get eggs which I eat 12 of evry day and unpasteurised milk.

Novus Ordo:
You're right, we are in many ways controlled in Europe, perhaps more so than in the US, but at least here we don't have the unbelievable police brutality I hear of on the A.J. Show. There have been a couple of cases of police brutality in cities and they have resulted in huge media attention. The police must go to police college which is 3 years I believe. Our local police are friendly, we have one here in our village and he's a very nice guy.

As for other currencies, I don't think that will be an option once it get very bad. They will too fail or at least lose lots of value and I think precious metals are the only alternative. Many people do not have much extra cash to invest, so I think silver is the way to go from here on. Silver is very underpriced and will probably rise much more than gold.

By the way, how much does a 1964 silver Kennedy half dolllar go for these days? If I were in America I would buy these in bulk instead of buying one here and there on auctions.

[TimeLady]

Silver half dollars used to be $4-5, now I think it's more like $10.

[jassy]

assuming I could afford to get all the survival gear together that I need, I would then have to protect it from desperados.
Which then means I have to fork out for ammo aplenty and carry it with me at all times.
This brings to mind a paragraph from one of Terry Pratchetts books.

"The assassin armed himself with a chainmail shirt, a knife in each boot, a blowpipe, darts, a blade, lead slingshot, pistol crossbow, flask of oil, lockpicks, punch dagger, assortment of caltraps and a set of brass knuckles.He took a last satisfied look in the mirror, turned on his heel and very slowly, fell over"

[life0repeats]

I think it really depends on the city you live in.  A city in the south would be in a much better situation than one like NYC where its so densely populated with a majority of the population living in buildings instead of houses.  a place like miami where only a small percentage of people live in high rises and a majority of the population has a backyard each block could essentially work as a co-op.  each family on the block grows a couple of items and they trade with each other.  i know my father lives there with most of my family and he has two hens (eggs are always in stock), he has tomatoes, pineapples, oregano, bell peppers, aloe, avocado, plaintain, small bananas, culantro, a couple of rabbits (good stew for those who've never had it), and yams.  its a regular house in a lower middle class neighborhood.  he already trades avocadoes for papaya that a neighbor down the block grows.  and for coconuts that another one grows (my father's puerto rican, one of the neighbors is haitian and the other is from trinidad - all were raised in their countries and are used to growing fruits/herbs).

and remember its WE the PEOPLE, not I by MYSELF.  I rather deal with some of the headaches other people bring and get to enjoy some fun you can have with them as well.  just will take working with others.  plus people tend to be easier to work with when their survival is at stake.

[life0repeats]

but don't get me wrong.  everyone has to do what they prefer.  all about being free.

[scaredmullatoe]

New here as a poster but I read this forum everyday.  You guys got me scared sh@#less.....Just a question to whoever is listening.....would it be feasible to live in my boat house if things start to go crazy.....im not on either coast line but Lake Michigan is where the boat is docked.....only thing i'm wondering is when food runs out what the heck to do.....I listen to Alex Jones and I ordered a bunch of that emergency food, enough to feed my family for about 3 to 4 months......I don't have any guns but I figure I can go get one or two (one for me and one for the spouse).....it's crazy because I though I was the only one scared from whats taking place but at work there are at least a dozen people who discuss things like this pretty frequently.....do you guys think its a safe idea to live on a boat while all hell breaks loose on land?

[yanaar]

I think its important to prepare for the worst, especially if you have a wife/husband and kids, whatever that calls for, i.e. storing food, ect., but I think its important that throughout it all we keep a good attitude and do EVERYTHING in our very soul to stop and expose these people peacefully, and wake as many people up, and try to get every ground breaking news story to be reported on mainstream news....  Can you imagine how many people would wake up if Lou Dobbs had Alex on for a full hour?  Lou owes him.......

I concur.  Keep on plugging for the truth to come out.  Lou Dobbs may just be the first as the economy finally gets MSM attention, along with NAU.  Worst case scenario may not take place so dramatically that we all have to become refugees in the back country.

[lord edward coke]

How the heck are you going to carry all that crap?  Especially four two-handed weapons and 1000 rounds of ammo each?  Might as well just buy a motor home...

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