Tips To Survive: What Will You Do When The Crap Hits The Fan?

[freeflying]

has anyone here ever shot one of these " American 180 "  22 LR  rifles.?

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg62-e.htm



Caliber: .22LR (5.6x15 rimfire); .22ILARCO (.22 Short Magnum rimfire)
Weight: 2.6 kg empty; approx. 4.5 kg with loaded 176-round magazine
Length: 900 mm (35 ½ in)
Barrel length: 470 mm (18 ½ in) standard; 229 mm (9 in) short.
Rate of fire: 1200 rounds per minute with .22LR ammo; 1500 rounds per minute with .22ILARCO ammo
Magazine capacity: 165, 177, 220 or 275 rounds
Effective range: 100 meters

The American 180 is one of the most interesting submachine guns. The idea of the very high capacity, small caliber rifle which can be fired for long time without reloading has been devised by the American gun designer Richard (Dick) Casull in early 1960s. During the same time he produced about 80 semi-automatic rifles, known as Casull Model 290 rifles, in .22LR, with 290-round flat pan magazines. these rifles were finely made and quite expensive.

During early 1970s the idea of Casull rifle has been upscaled into small-caliber submachine gun, intended for police use. The .22LR ammo, which is low powered by all standards, has advantages of low report, low recoil, low probability of ricochets and over-penetration, as well as good accuracy. Necessary stopping power has been achieved by multiple hits in a short period of time, thanks to aforementioned low recoil, high rate of fire and very large magazine capacity. Designated as American-180, the submachine gun was initially manufactured in Austria under contract from US-based company, and then imported into USA by Christopher and Associates. latter guns were manufactured by American Arms International and Illinois Arms Company, Inc. (ILARCO). Significant numbers of American-180 SMG's were purchased by police departments and prisons, mostly for riot control situations. But is soon had been found that, while single .22LR round cannot defeat typical police body armor if used by 'wrong' hands, but long bursts will literally dig through the body armor and do significant damage to the officer wearing it.

American-180 is a conventional blowback operated submachine gun, firing from the open bolt. It can be fired both in single shots and in full automatic mode. The receiver is a solid machined steel part, the furniture is made from wood. The most unusual part of the gun is its multi-layer flat pan magazine, reminiscent to magazines of the pre-WW2 aircraft machine guns. The original magazines were made from steel and held 177 rounds in three layers, bullets pointing inwards (to the center of the pan). Late production magazines were made from translucent Lexan plastic, and held either 3, 4 or 5 layers of ammunition, with 165, 220 or 275 rounds capacity respectively. Some guns were chambered for .22 ILARCO ammunition, also known as .22 Short Magnum rimfire, as it was a .22WMR (Winchester Magnum Rimfire) cartridge shortened to the same length as .22LR cartridge. As the .22 ILARCO was more powerful, the rate of fire increased from already spectacular 1 200 rounds per minute to 1 500 rounds per minute. Spent cases were ejected to the bottom. American-180 submachine guns were fitted with adjustable sights, and a 'Laser Lok'  laser sight has been offered as accessory. For stationary use in prisons or during riots on the streets, ILARCO provided dual and quadruple mounts for American-180.

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Got a couple, always looking for parts as they break often, have had to resort to making replacement parts as they are expensive. Fun but not suited for anything but fun shooting.

[freeflying]

They're giving all of the yuppies a hint. Stock up on food now before it is too late!

I have an efoodsdirect Patriot Pack coming this Thursday.

I read the labels for some of thier food, I wouldn't eat it. I eat nothing with hydrogenated stuff in it.

[freeflying]

Yeah, I don't plan on taking anyones life ever. I'm a freaking hippy haha, but when it comes to mass civil unrest, and these supposed FEMA camps, well I'm not going.  Nothing more nothing less. For now though I'm going to refrain buying one, and focus on the essentials: food, clean water, etc.

When they come to take you to fema camp you either go or shoot them and make a run for it. That will be you only options. No guns mean anyone who wants your food and water will be able to get it without a fight.

[joeblack]

I've never owned nor bought a gun in my life and need some advice and directions as to how to get a gun. i know there are the gun stores, pawnshops, want ads, sometimes fleamarkets. i need advice on buying a gun, the filling out forms (or not) or what to expect if i go to a gun store or pawnshop and i want to buy a gun.

i think i am like a lot of people and can say i don't know much about guns. I'm for guns but just never used a gun. i am willing to take up arms and fight side by side with you to defend the real country that i love. i feel like when the nwo comes for your guns, they will get your guns. it won't matter if you have millions of bullets and hundreds of guns because they will have armed helicopters to simply destroy your house and you in it, or rip you apart like they did in waco. they have been get ready for years with training, buying the baddest toys around, while most people have been beer drinking, watching football and getting fat. they can call for back up and have 50 or more bad ass crazy armed military or cops at your door step but because a woman getting tazed by two cops for sitting in the wrong seat at a game and the crowd sits and watches, i doubt not a lot of people will come to your rescue.

i feel like the money will become worthless, you can afford to pay your house payment, you lose you house and you become homeless and off to the camp you go but now your a armed homeless "crazy" person so your gunned down. no money, no paying your car insurance, no car to drive to drive but if you do drive it , the check points will catch you to find you haven't paid your fees and off to the camp you go or you have no home/no insurance and your armed...your gunned down. all your food you stockpiled, the gold you bought, the guns you have, where are you going to put them to use and protect while you are trying to save your house, fend off the military, the police, the mobs, the hungry, your family members that just woke up and now are wanting part of your food and water. and this is just the beginning.

[ConcordeWarrior]

I don't see how anybody would survive in case there's a nuclear attack or neutron weapons attack or making use of such other devices. Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and how much worse it would be if it happened in our days.

By the way, how would the radiation clouds be moving around the Earth? East to West or West to East or North to South or South to North?

[DireWolf]

We don't chose for ourselves. That's the whole point. If you want to save your own skin, you're at the wrong place. The way you save yourself is by making sure you don't stand out in the crowd, and we're doing the exact opposite. Many young men sacrificed their lives for you to enjoy the relative degree of freedom you have. Many of their names will never be known and many never even reached the age to marry and have children. If you want to save your own skin, go ahead, see if you can move somewhere offshore like the sub-elites who know what's going on do, but most of us chose a long time ago to go down fighting this evil.

Well said. We have made ourselves known as opponents to the tyranny that's here and yet to come. I have resigned myself a long time ago to going down with the ship, so to speak, but will take as many of them with me as possible while attempting to open the eyes of those blinded.

[pikeaero]

i think i am like a lot of people and can say i don't know much about guns. I'm for guns but just never used a gun. i am willing to take up arms and fight side by side with you to defend the real country that i love.

I'm not a super gun expert, but I am on a tight budget, so could only afford a single weapon.  The Ruger Mini-14 seemed to fit the bill, it's simple, reliable (evolved from the early Vietnam era M14 rifle), versitile, not terribly expensive for a high quality rifle,  short, easy to handle in close quarters or in the field, many off-the-shelf options available from third parties. Modern versions are more precise than older ones due to upgrades in the manufacturing process.

The AR-15 sports similar characteristics.

Remember, it's not going to do you any good if you don't have a reliable source of food and water!

--pikeaero

[margrits55]

I have been getting excellent information for years from Mother Earth news. No agenda there, just information.  I was also led to the mental militia forums.   There are some awesome people there who have been thinking about survival for longer than most of us have realized there was a problem.

[TimeLady]

Taken from the Zombie Survival Guide. A list of things a single person or a group will need in case they need to bug out:

- Backpack

- Dependable hiking boots (already broken in)

- Wide-mouth, quart-sized water bottle

- Water purification tablets*

- Wind- and waterproof matches

- Bandana

- Map**

- Compass**

- Small flashlight (AAA battery) with coated lens

- Poncho

- Small signaliing mirror

- Bedroll or sleeping bag (both will be too cumbersome)

- Sunglasses (polarized lenses)

- Palm-sized first-aid kit*

- Swiss Army knife or multi-tool

- Hand-held radio with earpiece**

- Knife

- Binoculars**

- Primary firearm (preferably, a semiautomatic carbine)

- Fifty rounds (if in a group, thirty per person)

- Cleaning kit**

- Secondary firearm (preferably a .22 rimfire pistol)*

- Twenty-five rounds*

- Hand weapon (preferably, a machete)

- Signal flares**

*not necessary in groups

**need be carried by only one person if in a group

In addition, all group should carry:

- Silenced ballistic weapon (preferably a silenced firearm or crossbow)

- Extra ammunition for fifteen kills (if weapon differs from standard)

- Telescopic sight

- Medium-sized medical kit

- Two-way radio with headphones

- Crowbar (in lieu of hand weapon)

- Water-purification pump

[herbalepoch]

With the possibility of the imminent collapse of our American economy and the ever present need for preparation I am of the opinion that all people in this country need to be ready. Self-education is the first step and action is the second. The following brief outline is a summation of how myself, my family, and others close to me are preparing to meet these future challenges.

We began by formulating a goal, to survive! Then we started planning the strategies needed to see that goal through to the end. That was six months ago and today we are more than ready to meet our goal in the way of supplies and food. Altogether we have spent around $1700 ordering, packaging, and storing. We have a year supply of food and are prepared for anything, including hiding in a cave.

In this first link I point out several pdf files to download...the Global Sovereign's Handbook, to understand how exactly they have subverted the Constitution...Home Renewable Energy, learn how to build energy in your garage...and Run Your Car with Water, those little Brown's Gas converters.

http://wearechangeci.org/downloads.html

The next link is for converting a lawn mower into a generator; simple, easy, straight forward...

http://www.theepicenter.com/tow02077.html

Next we have a website by two soldiers from right here in Indiana...their education page is invaluable with resources, videos, and materials for combating the current problems of preparedness and awareness....

http://mikeandjake.com/eduaction.aspx

Now we move into food preparations...I've got many great links for this. Be warned however that the FBI is now compiling lists of food bank and ammo orders...they want to see who's getting prepped! I would suggest that friends(very close friends) find a common place to store foods a materials.

Stored Foods...
http://beprepared.com/

http://honeyvillegrain.com/

http://www.aaoobfoods.com/dehydratedfoods.htm

Food places like these and eFoods should be avoided except for things like powdered eggs and the like. You are preparing for survival so forget the flashy stuff. Buy bulk foods like beans, oats, and rice. Vacuum seal them with oxy absorbers.

Seeds...

http://cheapveggieseeds.com/index.html

http://www.heirloomseeds.com/

Seeds are definitely needed and I would suggest that everyone plan on 'gorilla' farming your food. If the Fed carries out their crazy plan then our foods will be targets. A secluded clearing in the woods near a creek is best but along the sides of hills is ok too. As long as a source of water is near by.

Also think about medicinal herbs and foods to grow as well. Medicine will be in short supply and stuff like that will turn into a high priced commodity.

Dehydrators and supplies...

http://www.excaliburdehydrator.com/Dehydrators-37-cat.htm

If you have a garden and you have energy...then you need a cheap efficient way to dry all that food for winter!

Oxygen Absorbers for packaging your foods...

http://www.mredepot.com/servlet/the-4/Vacuum-Sealed-Oxygen-Abdorbers/Detail

Everyone will need to be able to identify and utilize wild plants of every kind in their area. The sad fact is many good people will starve to death not realizing they are only 20 feet from a food source...

I suggest that Amazon is the most streamlined way to do this...simply run a search on a few cheap books and in 1 week you have enough knowledge at your fingertips!

Other reading material and pdf's...

http://www.stevespages.com/page7c.htm

Download all the pdf's from that page about survival, winter survival, etc... You will need that information, even if its just a brief glance.

I would suggest that beyond everything else you make plans. Plans to quickly evacuate you area to safety, leaving supplies hidden for later collection. Pack up quick movement packages, one for each family member to carry. They should pack plenty of foods, water, and a light shelter if needed.
I suggest planning in very small groups of close friends where each man has a single tie to another similar group. Plans for identifying the immediate threats in your areas and how to avoid then and if needed eliminate those threats in a defensive manner.

Gather maps of every kind of you local areas and any area you plan on evacuating to. Road maps are fine, topographical maps with roads are best. You'll want to avoid populated areas as much as possible.

They are trying to force us into violence. We must be prepared to avoid that violence at all costs! Prepared to move, prepared to sacrifice, prepared to live.

Thanks
Perry Shepard
WeAreChangeIndiana

[Godisconsciousness]

wild tobacco is sparse but inccressing accross the country, getting off tobbacco is one reality but not as realistic for everyone (All The Fun ATF). growing fruits and nuts and what not on road sides and any open space that isn't poisoned or cut(landscaped) by private moronic nuts (lost souls) all over public property.  plant it up and if the local state and federally paid workers and or soldiers get paid to cut down 200 million food trees instead of just 200,000 next year, they might wonder who is american, and who is lost.  the feds on the island of kaua'i
in hawaii cut down lots of food trees to try and stop people from surviving off the grid out there in one federAL PARK... we call it the wild life sanctuary for humans.  green houses on any scale, even 1 ft i use to grow food fast, starts it up so its almost a foot high, then i bring em outside and plant em. all over.  fruit and nut i say because the mainland (Continental United States, for all you mainlanders)
is good for keeping these trees, bushes for decades. Going to black berry patches, and transplanting blackberries to some descrete location, or any plant to some descrete location, where hopefully you and your cohorts will have a private picnick/harvest, Make wine, i made 55 galons of blackberry/honey wine with 8 gallons of honey i bought from a beekeeper at 25 a gal. and about 4 gallons of pure blackberry juice, or 7 gal of blackberries. awaesome, bury it, tell someone who will nev er stab you in the back and do it again. you don't even have to work to save allot of food.  making a designated amount of wine at a time is presently legal in most states, as is beer, but beer doesn't last like booze and well made wine.  when the dollar goes to nothing, sadly, alcohol might be quite a commodity, it will still probably be the cheepest meal an alcoholic can get. i suggest trdeing large quantities of wine to people you believe to be un incombered by the product.  if there was a food tree on public land for every person in this country, we would be alot safer. Johnny appleseeds.  ferment in a container large enough for a small starter plant or a big one. fermentation in closed areas can give you a head ach from all the CO'2 realeased so you grow all your green house food right with the fermenting sugars. the plants breath like gamblers at the casino and will love you for it, and reward you too. the co2 has to be aired out some how if you are to enter and work i think, so i suggest, closed bubbles just big enough for a container and a plant in a pot to isolate them from your nose and let the plant get even higher concentrations of it's favorite air born sustenance, Unless airborn sex is also sustenence, we can only imagine. water vapor is the number one cause of global warming according to the global warming science stuff and the ocean castes of tons of it, more then we land lubbers could ever hope to condend with. condensation with that ecola blue and other inventions would prove your existance thriving on water that came from enforced condensation, thus you could go to court for some futuristic carbon tax fraud and say, how much co2 do i emit... whatever the answer is the mass could never be equivallent to the amount of water you confess do drinking daily.
seed banks to thwart the ownership of your food crops is also a must.  how can someone own our plants that we grewn from seed, that makes me want to grab a pick and walk to the white house right now. that alone, (without everything else alex talks about) is enough to really just make me role up to safeway in a giant car shaped like a giant seed and insenerate myself on top of it, and then the car blows up, like right when i'm dead, and a big loud speaker is yelling GMO Can't Own My farm I Grew, get away from the vehicle it is going to explode, gmo can't own my farm i grew, get away from the vehicle it is going to explode reapeat forever, until they turn it off, LOUD!
oh if my mother and grandmother where up there looking down on me, then that would then be my knew excuse. so write notes and leave them for unsespecting lost souls.

[Godisconsciousness]

Oh yah questions. what do you get when you don't prepare?...hopefully lucky.

[Godisconsciousness]

I have several question about the economy crashing and upcoming depression?

1)What do you think the survival rate of an uniformed/unprepared american will be?
2)I just started stock piling(most soup), but how long do you think I need to stock up for?
3)What is this going to mean for ordinally people trying to pay bills?A lot of people not affording house payments will lose their house?
4)Will there even be elections in 2012?
5)I believe things will be really bad, but I am always a little paranoid about everything.

Everybodys thoughts?

Faith and a gun and a bunch of food goes a long way, but faith alone, and you need to fallow your instincts like a fighter in a fight. perfect and quick. don't doubt the magic in the world.  many might survive and kick some ass at a moments notice, it's hard to say. i think they'll have to imprison and kill alot of people in just a few days. they think they can pick out who is a threat before a major confrontation, but i don't think their intellegence is correct. all my guns are not even with me, i have to much faith to worry for guns yet(might be stupid, might not). they don't know what we do because we know to be unpredictable. they won't jail the majority of the public, cause they don't have enough brain washed fools to do it, so they will have to kill us and blame it on terrorizm.

[REV BAXTER]

Its something I don,t see talked about alot. SALT you can not live without it. Back before Elec. It was the only way to preserve meat. You put about 2 in. of salt in the bottom of a barrell then a layer of meat, more salt then more meat all the way to the top. This meat whould stay good for up to too years!! Back in the old days, say back in the 1600-1700 AD salt was worth its waight in gold. You could trade one pound of salt for one pound of gold!! You will die without salt in your diet!!! Its next to water. You have to have salt in your diet to live, the same as water. Don,t jest buy guns and amo buy salt it will be some of the best trading mat. you can get when the SHTF!!!!

[xfahctor]

and if you happen to live near the ocean, you can start making it yourself too, just evaporate the water, presto, sea salt.

[JTCoyoté]

10lb Salt, 100lb bulk grains, 50 lb bulk beans, 5lb pepper, 10lb coffee, carry whole coffee beans to chew on for energy. Have a method for obtaining or storing 200 gallons of water per person... these are individual minimums per year... This should be stored in air/water tight non-bio-degradable containers is several locations accessible by you... store clothing, small red lens flashlights with extra batteries, arms and ammunition as well as utensils and fuel... own several quality pocket knives and Zippo lighters and fuel, carry one of each all the time and keep the knife sharp and the lighter fueled... Make sure all in your family can get to these locations by memory.

JTCoyoté

"Our country's founders cherished liberty,
not democracy."
~Ron Paul

[lazyhorse]

but apart from traditionally preserving meat? (i'm vegetarian anyway).
there is salt in food already. the other animals don't have salt mines.

tobacco. alchohol. chocolate. petrol. ammo. toilet roll. pain killers.

[cladano]

Which is better for preserving meat- sea salt or table salt?

[OldSchool]

Which is better for preserving meat- sea salt or table salt?

Definately sea salt. It's natural.

[OldSchool]

10lb Salt, 100lb bulk grains, 50 lb bulk beans, 5lb pepper, 10lb coffee, carry whole coffee beans to chew on for energy. Have a method for obtaining or storing 200 gallons of water per person... these are individual minimums per year... This should be stored in air/water tight non-bio-degradable containers is several locations accessible by you... store clothing, small red lens flashlights with extra batteries, arms and ammunition as well as utensils and fuel... own several quality pocket knives and Zippo lighters and fuel, carry one of each all the time and keep the knife sharp and the lighter fueled... Make sure all in your family can get to these locations by memory.

JTCoyoté

"Our country's founders cherished liberty,
not democracy."

~Ron Paul

Amen to that. I also keep plenty of nuts (almonds and black walnuts are great proteins and minerals) and jerky too. I keep a web belt ready with a butt pack filled with as much survival gear as I can fit in it, including emergency blanket, water puri-tabs, triox tabs, 1st aid, spare zippo, minimag light, a spare keyring led flashlight, and whatever else is needed.

[Nailer]

I'm not a super gun expert, but I am on a tight budget, so could only afford a single weapon.  The Ruger Mini-14 seemed to fit the bill, it's simple, reliable (evolved from the early Vietnam era M14 rifle), versitile, not terribly expensive for a high quality rifle,  short, easy to handle in close quarters or in the field, many off-the-shelf options available from third parties. Modern versions are more precise than older ones due to upgrades in the manufacturing process.

The AR-15 sports similar characteristics.

Remember, it's not going to do you any good if you don't have a reliable source of food and water!

--pikeaero

price the accessories for a mini 14, I saw new 20 round clips for it  and the price was a staggering $64.97

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG390-36.html

[lord edward coke]

http://www.awrm.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=000212           

[wasanka]

Hi all...

Merry Christmas!!!

This is my first post here but like all of you I am increasingly
worried about things to come. I've seen a lot of good advice here and some damn
good questions. I wanted to pipe up and mention to anyone who has not yet actually
read the book, "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse: A Novel of the Turbulent Near Future" by
James Wesley Rawles (check Amazon).

This book was recommended by a co-worker friend (we work in a maximum security prison in
Northwest Washington State) who is one of the most into it survivalist guys I know (and I know a few).
The book is fiction and in some places a little weak in the dialog department but besides that
it portrays a very likely scenerio about what would happen across the US in the event of a financial
meltdown.

The cities will be like Road Warriors real quick. With plenty of good resources and weapon descriptions
throughout the book it is also educational and riviting. Starts of with a bang. I think the overal
mental mindset depicted within is what is needed to survive. Check it out.

The fact that a bunch of obvious whimp ass pacifists gave the book bad reviews due to too much talk of
guns and violence, well, so much the better. My kind of book.

For those thinking they will be fighting it out with the government or any trained military group, well,
going out in a blaze of glory with freedom's wind blowing in your face is a better option than being
in a cell someplace and forgotten but you need to read Ragnar Benson's "The Modern Survival Retreat".
A retreat is a place to go and live, not a place to fight it out with a larger superior trained force because
you will lose. That said, when the meth-heads and even people just desparate for food begin to starve, the chaos likely to ensue may mean you'll be protecting yourself from common folk, not the military. I'm definitely pro-gun on that issue but the people who are already dirtbags will be the first ones to do home invasion robberies and the convicts even now getting out of prison have a hard time getting jobs or honest work and kicking in your back door and sticking their guns in your family's face is just a regular day at the office for these types now.

How will it be when they start forming groups?

I like seeing good guys with guns. I think it wise to hook up with some people you can really trust and figure out what you will do now rather than just talk and theorize endlessly about the subject. If you go around running your mouth at work or elsewhere, the "sheeple" friends, relatives and co-workers you have will just think you are one of those "survivalist nuts" and when the shit hits the fan they will remember all that stuff you bragged about having.

A few good people you can really trust is better than being the office expert on the survivalist subject.

Read "The Survivalist's Medicine Chest" also by Ragnar Benson. I was a medic in the army and expired EMT. Giving myself a shot of penicillin (four days in a row) is something I have already done when I put a nail through my finger and didn't feel like making our local hospital $500 richer. Animal meds are identical (in most cases) to the human destined drugs. I had it on hand initially because I live way out in the sticks and have german shepherds and if they get a nick running around in the woods and an infection I can (and have) save their lives by having a $10 bottle of penicillin on hand. Works fine on me too. I won't give my eleven year old daughter a shot of it because my wife would freak out but if there were no doctors, well, different story.

Benson mentions different sources for animal meds but you can find anything you need online. No narcotics or decent anesthetics but booze is better than biting a bullet. Could consider growing opium poppies (see Richters.com for seeds).

Somebody mentioned wild tobacco (again Richters.com) recently here. I tested our growing environment (a lot of rain here and mild summers as of late) and planted about fourteen plants because we had a lot of things to plant and I didn't want to waste space if they didn't grow well. They thrived so now I have a bunch more seeds. I am not much of a smoker but I chew so I tested the tobacco by not chewing a few hours and seeing if my tabakee had any kick. It did. It has a little more nicotine than commercial cigarettes. I gave some to to full time smokers and straight from the plant it's smokable and has a nice mild taste. It's used commercially to extract the nicotine for use in insecticides. Why pay the government?

I plan to grow a whole bunch more mainly for barter if need be and I will try to pulverize it to make my own version of Skoal. I should just quit I know but it calms me down in the face of all of my end-of-the-world preparedness activities. If my neighbor who raises goats runs out of tobacco maybe he'll give me some goat cheese. Who knows?

Another handy plant, pyrethrum, (also at Richters.com) is commonly found in commercial insecticides. Check out labels in the gardening department. Easy to grow and bugs don't go near it. You just take two table spoons and boil like tea, strain and add a couple drops of liquid dishsoap to a pint spray bottle. Works like a champ. Might come in handy if gardening is any part of your survival plans. It his harmless to animals topically at least.

If you haven't joined the NRA you should. Unless you are so paranoid you think it will mark you as a threat. If things get that bad, well, a whole bunch of us will be threats I guess. Many believe executive orders could be signed right off the bat so high capacity magazines and semi-autos, if you can afford them, should be acquired before Obama raises his right hand.

Also, a number of states (including my liberal ass state) has proposed legislation to serial number ammunition and create a data bank of ammo buyers. If this happens ammo will be real expensive real fast.
I can't afford to feed all of my guns big ammo so I'm getting what I can for larger caliber but laying in lots of .22.  A well placed .22 will do tons better than the .308 that's empty because it's owner ran out of ammo.  This isn't paranoid talk, I read the proposed legislation for 2009 for Washington State and another handful of states have identical crap in the works.

[adissenter2]

welcome to the board wasanka, great first post!

I agree with most of what you said besides the joining the NRA part.  Thanks for the book recommendations, I have only read Patriots - Surviving the Coming Collapse and that was a very motivational read, my hopes are that others that have read it or will read it take notes.

[Nailer]

Wasanka.
If you haven't joined the NRA you should. Unless you are so paranoid you think it will mark you as a threat. If things get that bad, well, a whole bunch of us will be threats I guess. Many believe executive orders could be signed right off the bat so high capacity magazines and semi-autos, if you can afford them, should be acquired before Obama raises his right hand.
...

Do some research on the NRA and you will find out they are stooges of the Government, GOA is a 100% better and they do not give in to government and to top it off the head honcho now of the NRA is a lawyer who at one time was Anti gun nut.

[B_brave]

I have lots of storable food including cases of MRE's, I got plenty of guns and ammo and I got Berkey water filters. With $5000 left over after all that, what should I get now? Should I just hold the money or get some gold? Silver? What would you do; any suggestions? Thanks!

[OldSchool]

If you think you have enough supplies, then it's time to get more. You can't buy it later, and you certainly can't throw money at animals to hunt with, so it's probably best to make double sure you have all of your supplies. Next, liquidate your cash to a transferrable currency such as precious metals, cigarettes, gas, alcohol, and much ammo. When the dollar crashes, life will drift back into the days of trade and bartering.
 

[Vipercat]

Holding the cash will be okay for a few months, you still need cash to pay for things as it is not really practical to hand the store clerk a ounce of silver for $11 worth of groceries. But keep silver and gold as a "long term investment" for your savings. Whatever you do DO NOT put anything into a bank, not even a safety deposit box. Only keep a minimum amount in a checking account to pay the essential bills such electricity and payments. I got about 6k cash, 5 ounces of gold and 25 ounces of silver right now. My food storage is slow but progressing. I have lots of dehydrated vegetables, rice, and grains, frozen stuff, canned goods, and bottled water, and of course coffee, you can't survive a depression without coffee   . Also consider securing your area with good locks, barred doors, and bars over windows if the situation allows it, and try getting a reliable firearm and lots of ammo if possible. The more you got stored and the more self sustaining your situation is, the better off you will be. You can't prepare enough... I'd do more if I had the money and time to do it faster.

[B_brave]

Thanks for the replies. I think I will purchase some more food and maybe some silver. Hopefully some gold in the future. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Thanks again.

[molarediere]

night vision goggles

[B_brave]

night vision goggles

Im not sure about those, but I was considering some gas masks. What do you think?

[ES]

Take care of other stuff like lighters, candles, rope, tools, soap, razors. Or why not use some to burn dvds or flyers. Make an investment in waking up those around you. Might be more helpful than you think.

[OldSchool]

Yeah, actually it would be good to hold on so some of the cash. Another suggestion would be to visit your local surplus and camping stores. You may have to resort to survival situations and you will need to pick up camping and survival essentials. Just in case you have to abandon your home (i.e fires, riots, heavy military activity), you will have to insure that you can carry with you the things that will be needed to survive. It's actually a good idea to keep a small pack with essentials. More than likely there will be power outages and water shortages (if the water company goes offline). If it happens while you are at work, you will need to insure your safety during your trip back home. Traffic jams may bring things to a halt, so you will need to have some things with you. Pack up what you think you will need to survive until you get home. I keep a small pack already packed in my truck just in case.
 For your home I may also suggest alternative light sources such as emergency candles, LED flashlights, hurricane lamps, light sticks. If you live in a cold climate, a good stock of handwarmers will help when a fire can't be built.
 I also have a gas mask and regular filter masks just in case. You may also consider a good set of binoculars.

[TimeLady]

Hold on to some of the cash and fill a money belt with small-denomination bills, then buy things like matches, rope, rechargeable batteries, moar supplies with the rest.

[heavyhebrew]

Don't forget disposable butane lighters. If things go Mad Max, those will be priceless.
And medicine, you can never have enough med supplies imo.

[Please Wake Up!]

Toilet paper and lots of it

On a side note, I think that I would consider moving to Utah if/when the SHTF.  I have a friend who is a Mormon and she talks about being prepared all the time from a food standpoint.  She's getting her back porch walled in and making it a food storage area and she talks about some of her neighbors who could open a grocery store with all the food they have stored up.  I guess Mormons are big with that... On the downside, she told me that I couldn't bring any booze into her home if I went there  

[B_brave]

How about buying one of those hammock tents....they're light and easy
to set up quickly at setset when traveling through the forest.  Best to
always keep moving when TSHTF.

Buy good silk underwear and sturdy wool clothing if your in the north.
Also a good pair of leather hiking boots are a good investment too.

Good idea, but I am in the deep south. Doesn't get too cold here. I have added lighters, matches, rope and candles to my list.

[ES]

Also look into the shortwave/flashlight/radios that can be cranked and charged by hand. I believe Alex advertises one on prisonplanet.com look for the banner and check it out.

[TimeLady]

Toilet paper and lots of it

On a side note, I think that I would consider moving to Utah if/when the SHTF.  I have a friend who is a Mormon and she talks about being prepared all the time from a food standpoint.  She's getting her back porch walled in and making it a food storage area and she talks about some of her neighbors who could open a grocery store with all the food they have stored up.  I guess Mormons are big with that... On the downside, she told me that I couldn't bring any booze into her home if I went there 

Don't most Mormon temples have food canneries? Sounds like Utah or Idaho would be the place to be if/when SHTF.

Or whatever, you can just do what this guy did http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFwEft8cMbQ

[cladano]

I myself was thinking about a solar backup generator, Atmospheric Water Generator, dehydrator, heirloom seeds, vitamins, those pills that help with radiation poison, bars of natural soap, baking soda, hydrogen peroxide, laptop.....