Thats No Moon, thats a Space Station - David Icke's new book.

[planning4acrash]

I'm just imagining all the folk now freaking out whenever the moon comes up. Turned into moon worshipers. I know folk totally sucked into the Lizard stuff. Its a certain type of person who is very easily sucked in by this stuff. Incidentally, the chap I know who is most sucked in, he is a compulsive gambler. Maybe, this stuff appeals to the manic depressives who need that extra kick and danger factor to retain the feeling of being alive? Incidentally, you'll get more and more people like this with all the vaccines and poor diets.

Maybe Icke, with this moon crap is attempting to create a pseudo sci-fi religion for the growing number of mentally ill, aspergic, autistic and the like? They are a huge portion of society and, if the establishment have their way, almost all children will go down that route.

[Georgiacopguy]

I hear you, but it is possible that the "evil people here on earth that are real, tangible, and are committing evil right now' are just pawns themselves... in a much  bigger thing, something we don't yet understand.

So just because something MAY be possible, in a very far off distant realm of thinking, we should forsake reason, common sense, logic, and evidence, while we wallow around in the mud within a pit of fantasy??? It may be possible that I would win the lottery, so should I play it often, even though the odds are so remote? I mean, following your logic, the Christian rapture may happen within weeks, so i should fixate on that, stop working, and just give up on everything else, because the end is near anyhow. Right?

  My point is; we should focus on what we know, and what we can prove. Hell, Alex only focuses on what he can prove. When we fixate on these imaginary tails, it takes us away from the primary focus, it makes us look like foolish idiots who will beleive anything so long as it isn't mainstream, and it only discredits us.

[Freeski]

So just because something MAY be possible, in a very far off distant realm of thinking, we should forsake reason, common sense, logic, and evidence, while we wallow around in the mud within a pit of fantasy??? It may be possible that I would win the lottery, so should I play it often, even though the odds are so remote? I mean, following your logic, the Christian rapture may happen within weeks, so i should fixate on that, stop working, and just give up on everything else, because the end is near anyhow. Right?

  My point is; we should focus on what we know, and what we can prove. Hell, Alex only focuses on what he can prove. When we fixate on these imaginary tails, it takes us away from the primary focus, it makes us look like foolish idiots who will beleive anything so long as it isn't mainstream, and it only discredits us.

I do agree with you, but "fixate" is the operative word here. I do keep an open mind about most things -- but certainly do not fixate on anything other than the battle between liberty and tyranny.

[Georgiacopguy]

I do agree with you, but "fixate" is the operative word here. I do keep an open mind about most things -- but certainly do not fixate on anything other than the battle between liberty and tyranny.

You may not fixate per se, however their are Icke followers who do. Were I to describe your process where Icke is concerned, I'd call it a...distraction. Not an intentional one, but you allow yourself to become enveloped in the distraction that is Icke from time to time. To no important end.

[KikiLee Tass]

Awesome post! And thanks for the props. I'm the one in the orange!

Thanks Freeski  Keep up the music, it raises the vibrations, lifts the spirit, and makes people feel good. .....oops, those things aren't tangible and proven - - hush my mouth

[madworld21]

In a thread on the Icke forum, numerous members are talking about kids being shipped to the moon and ate by the aliens for food. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm sure Icke is laughing all the way to the bank.

[Georgiacopguy]

Thanks Freeski  Keep up the music, it raises the vibrations, lifts the spirit, and makes people feel good. .....oops, those things aren't tangible and proven - - hush my mouth

Sarcastic alien fawning twit...there are proven benefits from music.

[Michal Ptacnik]

Well, I've seen and heard enough to know that there are at the minimum occurrences that make quite a lot of people believe in alien abductions, reptilians and all the rest. It can be real aliens, it can be disembodied spirits or just some kind of incredibly powerful government psi-op (actually, if you think about the requirements to pull it off, the most improbable of the three), but something is definitely going on.

[KikiLee Tass]

Sarcastic alien fawning twit...there are proven benefits from music.

Woah, must've touched a raw nerve, sorry mate, I'm sure you don't normally resort to personal insults  . Anyway I thought you said aliens didn't exist. (...Oh heck, keep forgetting that sarcasm winds you up - sorry again)
I do sympathise that you've come in for flack after trying to wake people up and you've got ridiculed. (I'm serious by the way) More fool those people. In my personal (fawning twit) opinion, though, they're the kind of people who'd ridicule someone coming out with the truth anyway; David Icke or no David Icke...
Feel free to hurl more insults if you want, it doesn't bother me                 

[Georgiacopguy]

Woah, must've touched a raw nerve, sorry mate, I'm sure you don't normally resort to personal insults  . Anyway I thought you said aliens didn't exist. (...Oh heck, keep forgetting that sarcasm winds you up - sorry again)
I do sympathise that you've come in for flack after trying to wake people up and you've got ridiculed. (I'm serious by the way) More fool those people. In my personal (fawning twit) opinion, though, they're the kind of people who'd ridicule someone coming out with the truth anyway; David Icke or no David Icke...
Feel free to hurl more insults if you want, it doesn't bother me                 

Somestimes I do, sometimes I don't. I just find it very difficult to respect people who fall for Ickes nonesense or want to fall for his nonesense. I like to think I'm rooted in reality, and I have a certain expectation that other people be rooted in reality.But when they go around waving their arms and screaming lets pretend, it gets bothersome, tiresome, and when it infringes on my ability to wake others up, it pisses me off. In a good many cases, I can directly correlate the criticism I received to the tripe that Icke puts out. So yeah, it pisses me off. If you wanna play lets pretend, go do it in your personal space, or on a D&D boardgame. When it impacts others, is when its gone too f*cking far.

[Djævlen]

Not sure if this has been stated here yet, but Icke isnt the first to propose such a notion. Richard Hoagland has theorized that several moons in the solar system could be artificial. For instance Phobos as well as the asteroid known as "2867 Steins." Not saying I buy into it, but they seem to have their reasons for speculating.

[Kilgore Trout]

Not sure if this has been stated here yet, but Icke isnt the first to propose such a notion. Richard Hoagland has theorized that several moons in the solar system could be artificial. For instance Phobos as well as the asteroid known as "2867 Steins." Not saying I buy into it, but they seem to have their reasons for speculating.

I was going to buy hoaglands "Dark Mission" until I found out it's nearly $30.00 american...i do enjoy his fantastic theories as I do ICKE's , not sure what harm this causes really....I get into hollow earth theory too , and Mothman and skunk ape and so on...

I love what Hoagland says about "the lie" , the lie is different on every level...meaning that even those who lie to us may think they are telling the truth.

[citizenx]

Hoagland is Scientology/CIA/military-industrial-complex industrial strength disinfo.

Paying 30.00$ to read his tripe is obscene.

They should pay you -- handsomely.

[Djævlen]

Hoagland is Scientology/CIA/military-industrial-complex industrial strength disinfo.

Link? Proof?

[Djævlen]

I was going to buy hoaglands "Dark Mission" until I found out it's nearly $30.00 american...i do enjoy his fantastic theories as I do ICKE's , not sure what harm this causes really....I get into hollow earth theory too , and Mothman and skunk ape and so on...

I love what Hoagland says about "the lie" , the lie is different on every level...meaning that even those who lie to us may think they are telling the truth.

I've read it, its very interesting. I'm a huge fan of the whole Jack Parsons/Crowley/NASA occult stuff, which is covered in the book. Get the book if you are into that lore. I'm sure Amazon or eBay has it at a discounted price.

[Kilgore Trout]

I've read it, its very interesting. I'm a huge fan of the whole Jack Parsons/Crowley/NASA occult stuff, which is covered in the book. Get the book if you are into that lore. I'm sure Amazon or eBay has it at a discounted price.

I might have to afterall because I do enjoy those subjects.

[citizenx]

Link? Proof?

You are right, I was thinking of Hal Puthoff and Ed Dames -- two other "Art Bell"/Coast to Coast regulars, but if you look into the past of all these men connected with the military and military industrial complex, you will see links to occultism, Parsons, Crowley, Hubbard and the whole O.T.O. infiltration of NASA and the M.I.C.

If you're really interested in studying "alternative" material.

(I check out C2C occasionally myself, but I think it is also a conduit of disinfo.)

[Freeski]

I love what Hoagland says about "the lie" , the lie is different on every level...meaning that even those who lie to us may think they are telling the truth.

I don't know Hoadland, but this is true: a simple example would be your mother, brother or sister supporting/championing the "War on Some Drugs" using the arguement that if we DIDN'T have it, then everyone would turn into a drug addict. Total BS borne of ignorance rather than ill intent.

(or a newly elected rep selling the idea that the Nanny State is actually good for us)

[citizenx]

Hoagland is wrong about so many things.  I don't know where to start, but I was programming simulators for military weather satellites back in the 1980's and I can tell you his claim that NASA is supressing antigravitic effects on spacecraft orbits is absloute hogwash. We can start there if anybody wants to.

[Kilgore Trout]

I don't know Hoadland, but this is true: a simple example would be your mother, brother or sister supporting/championing the "War on Some Drugs" using the arguement that if we DIDN'T have it, then everyone would turn into a drug addict. Total BS borne of ignorance rather than ill intent.

(or a newly elected rep selling the idea that the Nanny State is actually good for us)

Good example , I agree.

[Kilgore Trout]

Hoagland is wrong about so many things.  I don't know where to start, but I wa programming simulators for military weather satellites back in the 1980's and I can tell you his claim that NASA is supressing antigravitic effects on spacecraft orbits is absloute hogwash. We can start there if anybody wants to.

Could it be that you were working on a smaller part of a bigger picture? You know , like the compartmentalized "need to know" kind of work wherein you only see a small portion of the reason for your work...

[citizenx]

Could it be that you were working on a smaller part of a bigger picture? You know , like the compartmentalized "need to know" kind of work wherein you only see a small portion of the reason for your work...

If Hoagland is right, they were just giving me money for no reason.

[Djævlen]

Hoagland is wrong about so many things.  I don't know where to start, but I wa programming simulators for military weather satellites back in the 1980's and I can tell you his claim that NASA is supressing antigravitic effects on spacecraft orbits is absloute hogwash. We can start there if anybody wants to.

why is it hogwash? he's basically retelling/analyzing the story of Werner Von Braun and his contributions to NASA (the black opps stuf). i believe NASA has hidden technologies that allow a secret space program to exist. i am no scientist, but it seems plausible to me.

[citizenx]

It's hogwash, because if it was true, the engineers would have had to put calculations into the algorithms that just weren't there.

[Kilgore Trout]

If Hoagland is right, they were just giving me money for no reason.

Back to the lie being different at every level , sure what the large porton of NASA thinks they were working on could be something totally outside of the "Secret Space" program...I think that's known as a "front"/cover story. And we know that the money is of no concern to the controllers of these orginzations , because after all it's free money that we work for.

[nustada]

Sometimes I wonder if momentum itself creates an extremely weak but expansive anti gravity "field"(note most antigrav ideas violate conservation of energy, but this would not). Sort of like how current makes reverse electromagnetic fields. That might explain acceleration of the universe and the shape of the galaxies. My math and physics isn't sharp enough to make a detailed hypothesis, and it would be irrelevant to us on a human scale.

(if someone were able to maintain a container with near zero kelvin, liquid, electromagnetically active material, you could speed it up to near the speed of light and create an anti gravity motor. As some materials have proven to be frictionless at near zero K. Also the container or zero K material would have to be able to not "burst" the container for the centrifugal force.)

[citizenx]

OK, unless someone actually worked in aerospace, I don't want to argue this point anymore.  It is B.S.  Good luck.

[Kilgore Trout]

OK, unless someone actually worked in aerospace, I don't want to argue this point anymore.  It is B.S.  Good luck.

Hey does being a janitor at Langley count? I'm sure I could walk out my front door and trip over a few of them..

[citizenx]

OK, get one of them to sign up for Prison Planet Forum.  Yes, I'd rather discuss this with one of them.

[Freeski]

Sometimes I wonder if momentum itself creates an extremely weak but expansive anti gravity "field"(note most antigrav ideas violate conservation of energy, but this would not). Sort of like how current makes reverse electromagnetic fields. That might explain acceleration of the universe and the shape of the galaxies. My math and physics isn't sharp enough to make a detailed hypothesis, and it would be irrelevant to us on a human scale.

(if someone were able to maintain a container with near zero kelvin, liquid, electromagnetically active material, you could speed it up to near the speed of light and create an anti gravity motor. As some materials have proven to be frictionless at near zero K. Also the container or zero K material would have to be able to not "burst" the container for the centrifugal force.)

English please!

[citizenx]

Hoagland (and his ilk) is pushing the same occult/theosophian beliefs by saying, "Look over here--there is occultism in NASA."  He's just pushing the same new age ideology in the back door of reason.

[Kilgore Trout]

Hoagland (and his ilk) is pushing the same occult/theosophian beliefs by saying, "Look over here--there is occultism in NASA."  He's just pushing the same new age ideology in the back door of reason.

yeah now you lost me , you are one of these people who have a problem with the proper terminology regarding "religion". "New age " is older than any religion , all it really is  , is human understanding.

[Kilgore Trout]

yeah and citizen x I hope your okay with the reptilian aspects of ICKE too , since GenISIS and the fall has a reptilian humanoid hybrid manipulating mankind , is that new age too?

[citizenx]

Kilgore, I think I lost you a long time ago.

The "new age" is human understanding?

And who decides what the proper terminology for religion is?

Who is the Pope of the "new age"?

And, Genesis is another brand of hogwash, IMO.

[Djævlen]

Hoagland (and his ilk) is pushing the same occult/theosophian beliefs by saying, "Look over here--there is occultism in NASA."  He's just pushing the same new age ideology in the back door of reason.

he is not "pushing" anything. unless you've read his work, please dont comment. you are making yourself sound ignorant (not to be rude). if you do the research, its is common knowledge that NASA is a HIGHLY occultic agency. all you have to do is examine launch dates in conjunction with astronomical phenomenon, for starters. also, the names of the craft have significance, not to mention the astronauts being high ranking Freemasons, the Jack Parsons connection (JPL) and the list goes on and on.

[Freeski]

yeah and citizen x I hope your okay with the reptilian aspects of ICKE too , since GenISIS and the fall has a reptilian humanoid hybrid manipulating mankind , is that new age too?

If nothing it's an amazing coincidence. (plus the apple logo)

[Kilgore Trout]

Kilgore,

And, Genesis is another brand of hogwash, IMO.

Good , and humans need not a "pope" or any other external influence to inform them of what their senses already show them .

[nustada]

English please!

I am just wondering what if momentum, mass and velocity, might create a field that is very weak, like on the quantum or plank scale. But had a very large area of effect, or field loop. The field opposes gravity, or is gravity but of the opposite polarity. The field is difficult or impossible to observe on small scale experiments due to it potential divided over a massive area, and relative weakness. But on a galactic scale, it causes object with massive speed and velocity to repel each other.

As a small scale comparison, when electrons move, they create an electromagnetic field, however it is reverse, meaning if the electron stops and the field collapses, it would be pushed back in the opposite direction. In the presence of an electromagnetic field, and electron accelerates, but in its own velocity it generates its own electric field that counteracts the motive one, this is generally termed as "back EMF".

Also if one wanted to create and anti gravity motor. assuming the above is correct, one would need to accelerate a significant mass to near the speed of light in a confined space. The only way to do that would be in a frictionless confined space. The only "natural" frictionless material are certain liquids at near zero Kelvin, and the only way the I can think of to accelerate it would be by a magnetic field in a toroid. The major problem, that is not yet demonstrated would be how prevent the container from exploding as a result of the centrifugal forces.

[citizenx]

he is not "pushing" anything. unless you've read his work, please dont comment. you are making yourself sound ignorant (not to be rude). if you do the research, its is common knowledge that NASA is a HIGHLY occultic agency. all you have to do is examine launch dates in conjunction with astronomical phenomenon, for starters. also, the names of the craft have significance, not to mention the astronauts being high ranking Freemasons, the Jack Parsons connection (JPL) and the list goes on and on.

Actually, I agree with Hoagland about the infiltration of the space agency by occultists.  If you look at his ideas about the universe, reality and humanity, you will see, however, they are informed by the same occult sources.

[Kilgore Trout]

If nothing it's an amazing coincidence. (plus the apple logo)

yup. It really is funny to me that alot of people nay say the reptilian "research" as if the mainstream religion of the US is not rife with this kind of thing , the snake/serpent/dragon etc decieving mankind...