Thats No Moon, thats a Space Station - David Icke's new book.

[thenewsonsofliberty]

i would like to know more about this, anywhere i can get it online? or audiobook? david icke talking about it? anything.. i gotta know

[Xill]

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[unitedstrokesofamerica]

I know the show just ended but post that show up, I forgot to tune in and want to hear it.

[Volitzar]

 

[Freeski]

So... is the moon real or not?
 

[TheHouseMan]

How is Icke going to prove this, exactly? Has he been there himself? What did he see some lights or something? Some eye-witness report from moonies? In contact with the Washington Times (LOL)..? Read it in the Bible? Watched some Disney movie and said it's real..?

What the F kind of game is this?

You see, in Icke's earlier books, he at least gave some evidence, such as the Bible, which does actually speak of the Annunaki in the Book of Enoch, and the famous snake encounter in the Garden of Eden.... I'm not even a Christian, but some people take the Bible as a piece of paper very seriously. So, that's fine.

But for Icke to say reptilians are living in the moon, and to have us wait for the book release to find out his evidence... WTF is this?

I guess Icke uses outlandish claims to reel in people to the real conspiracy stuff, or maybe he's just trying to make a bunch of money (well, we know he's doing that, regardless).

So.. yeah. That's all I have to say. I'll read his new book when it gets torrented, and I'll probably be very disappointed.

[jeremystalked1]

David Icke hears voices in his head.  He is a targeted individual!

They're feeding him lots of truth - the obvious stuff - mixed with lies.

The problem isn't that he's getting voices in his head... the problem is that he's listening to them.

Whatever his operator/handler is telling him is 100% bullshit.

[carlee]

we all have voices in our head. Its called the thinking mind

[flaming_red_pill]

we all have voices in our head. Its called the thinking mind

In this day and age, it's really frightening even to have a mania, an obsession, or a passionate interest, for fear that it's generated by malignant forces. A probability of even a fraction of a percent is frightening enough. Is it possible that it's the gov't or is Icke into spirit channeling/occult?

[Jackson Holly]

TRYPT:

When we try to combine gravity (Einsteins gravity/inertia spacetime) with QM, our equations fail

 ... are you still there Trypt? Let's look at PULSARS and STRANGE MATTER:

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Strange Star or Strange Science?

 

Nowhere is the gravitational paradigm of cosmology shown to exhibit more strangeness than in compact high energy phenomena in deep space. A report in the journal Nature of 15 November proposes that a recently discovered star "is made of an exotic stuff called 'strange matter', never yet seen on Earth". In other words, it may be a "strange star". This bizarre suggestion comes out of the mathematics describing stars that generate rapid pulses of radiation, commonly called "pulsars". The x-ray pulses are thought to be due to a rotating beam of x-rays that flashes toward the Earth once per revolution like a cosmic lighthouse.


Picture credit: W. Feimer (Allied Signal), GSFC, NASA]

This seemingly simple model began to show signs of strain many years ago when the first millisecond pulsar was discovered. In order to flash (rotate) several times a second a pulsar would need to be very compact indeed, only a few kilometres in diameter. But to generate x-rays gravitationally requires an extreme concentration of matter to accelerate particles to a sufficiently high energy so that when they strike the star x-rays are produced. The only objects that theoretically meet that requirement are neutron stars and black holes. Both kinds of object are well outside our experience.

The discovery now of an x-ray pulsar SAX J1808.4-3658 (J1808 for short), located in the constellation of Sagittarius, that flashes every 2.5 thousandths of a second (that is 24,000 RPM!) goes way beyond the red-line even for a neutron star. So another ad hoc requirement is added to the already long list - this pulsar must be composed of something even more dense than packed neutrons - strange matter!

~ O ~

When astrophysicists are having difficulty with their models they traditionally turn for rescue to the nuclear physicists. (They were called in to explain away the missing solar neutrinos). The news report goes on: "The most fundamental building blocks of nuclear matter are thought to be particles called quarks. The 'regular' nuclear particles or 'nucleons' - protons and neutrons - are composed of 'up' and 'down' quarks: two up quarks and a down quark make one proton, while a neutron consists of two downs and an up. But there are at least four other, more exotic, kinds of quark, amongst them the so-called 'strange' quark.

In nucleons, quarks are supposed to exist in inseparable groups of three, which is why no one has ever seen an isolated quark. But at extremely high densities of matter, quarks may become uncoupled or 'deconfined'. 'Strange matter' is a melange of deconfined up, down and strange quarks. Physicists are hoping that the new particle colliders currently under construction, such as the Larger Hadron Collider at CERN in Geneva, will create conditions extreme enough to break quarks free. But the Universe may have got there first. X.-D. Li of Nanjing University, China, and colleagues' suggestion that J1808 is a strange star follows a small number of similar proposals for other astrophysical objects that emit bursts of X-rays. The X-ray bursts from these objects are signs of violent activity of a sort that becomes possible only when matter is pushed to extremes."

I think J R Saul highlighted the language problem we are seeing here when he wrote, "Ten geographers who think the world is flat will tend to reinforce each other's errors. If they have a private dialect in which to do this, it becomes impossible for outsiders to disagree with them. Only a sailor can set them straight. The last person they want to meet is someone who, freed from the constraints of expertise, has sailed around the world." J R Saul, Voltaire's Bastards.

~~ O ~~

The Nobel Laureate, Irving Langmuir, coined the term "pathological science" for "the science of things that aren't so".

Two key symptoms of such science are:
(1) the resort to fantastic theories contrary to our experience, and
(2) the use of ad-hoc requirements to save the appearances.

If we apply these criteria, two disciplines that share line honours for pathological or strange science are cosmology and particle physics. They both deal with unseen objects - neutron stars, black holes, quarks, etc. They both produce fantastic ad-hoc requirements to explain new discoveries - dark matter, super-heavy objects and exotic particles. They cross-infect each other with their theoretical requirements both to save appearances and convince governments to spend large sums of research money for super-colliders to replay bits of a hypothetical Big Bang, or to build gravity-wave telescopes when we have no proof such waves exist. The above report brings such strange science sharply into focus.

It is not ordinary matter, but scientific models that are being pushed to extremes. Einstein warned: "Most mistakes in philosophy and logic occur because the human mind is apt to take the symbol for reality". Neutron stars and quarks have never been seen. They are derived from mathematical symbols. Let's take quarks first.

There is little to suggest that any of the shrapnel from high energy colliders exists in normal matter. If enormous energy is spent in shattering a proton to unlock the hypothetical quarks then the energy itself may manifest as particles that don't play any part in ordinary matter. Flying a 747 into a mountainside and picking over the ruins is not the best way of finding out how an aircraft works. Suggesting that a star can be composed stably of unobserved particles simply because a theory of invisible, super-heavy objects demands it is asking too much!

~ ~ ~ O ~ ~ ~

Here are some of the many unstated assumptions underpinning the X-ray pulsar model:
(my comments are in italics)

1. It is assumed that the physics of neutral matter and ideal gases on Earth can be used to explain the operation of the glowing balls of plasma we call stars.

99.999% of the universe is made of plasma. It is not necessarily electrically neutral and does not behave like an ideal gas.

2. It is assumed that all interstellar plasma is mostly an ionized, uncharged, superconducting gas that can trap and carry magnetic fields.

Plasma is not a superconductor so magnetic fields cannot be trapped in it. The origin of the magnetic fields is not clear from standard theory. The Electric Universe proposes that magnetic fields and plasma filaments in space are formed by electrical currents in charged plasma. (No book on astronomy mentions electrical effects).

3. It is assumed that we understand how our Sun and other stars shine, evolve, and someday die or form neutron stars.

We do not understand the Sun's magnetic field, the hot corona, solar wind, solar cycle, x-ray variability, coronal mass ejections, sunspots, low neutrino count, etc., etc.

4. It is assumed that we understand what causes a supernova explosion.

The number of ad hoc assumptions required for a mechanical explosion following a sudden stellar implosion results in a highly unlikely explanation. SN1987A showed that such explosions are not spherically symmetrical.

5. It is assumed that a supernova can "squeeze" stellar protons and electrons together to form neutrons.

A first-order wild conjecture. The model incorporates many unproven assumptions about the unseen internal structure of stars. If the implosion is not spherically symmetrical there may be insufficient "squeeze" to force protons and electrons to merge, even if that were possible. No account is taken of electrical effects. Our own Sun with a mean density only slightly above that of pure hydrogen shows that electrostatic forces are at work within stars to offset compression forces.

6. It is assumed that it is possible to form a stable neutron star.

When not associated with protons in a nucleus, neutrons decay into protons and electrons in a few minutes. Atomic nuclei with too many neutrons are unstable. If it were possible to form a neutron star, why should it be stable?

7. It is assumed that a supernova can further squeeze neutrons until they "pop their quarks".

A second-order wild conjecture.

8. It is assumed that it is possible to have a stable massive object composed of quarks.

A third-order wild conjecture based on the pathologies of both astrophysics and nuclear physics. It is an unseen object composed of unseen matter.

9. It is assumed that a neutron star can convert the energy of infalling matter into tightly collimated, pulsed x-ray beams.

It is difficult to imagine a more unlikely way of achieving this effect.

10. It is assumed that a spinning object is required to cause the pulsations.

Only required in a purely mechanical model.

11. It is assumed that Nature overlooks the normal (and infinitely easier) method of creating x-rays by accelerating electrons in an electric field.

12. It is assumed that Nature overlooks the simplest way of creating pulsed radiation by a charge-discharge relaxation oscillator cycle (where electric charge builds up slowly until a threshold is reached and a sudden discharge occurs).

13. It is assumed that Nature ignores the simplest way of creating a highly collimated x-ray beam and particle jet (if one is required from the observations) by the use of the plasma focus effect.

^  ^  ^  ^
~ O ~ Is this science or science-fiction? ~ O ~

The Electric Universe model assumes that Nature knows best. It does not require strange matter or a strange star. The x-ray pulses are caused by regular electric discharges between two or more orbiting, normally constituted, electrically charged bodies. It is a manifestation of a periodic arc instead of a spinning star. If beaming of the radiation is occurring then that should be verifiable here on Earth in the lab by studying the plasma focus device.



The Electric Universe model lets go of the Newtonian dogma that gravity is the driving force in the cosmos. It allows for the possibility that the fundamental characteristic of normal matter - its electric charge - plays the most significant role. So if gravity wave telescopes detect anything at all, it won't be gravity waves from super-heavy objects. And particle physicists who are trying to work out how the universe was constructed from strange matter early in the Big Bang are wasting their time. The astronomer Halton Arp, author of the Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies, has conclusively disproven the theory of an expanding universe and so knocked out the foundation of the Big Bang theory.

Meanwhile the plasma physicists and electrical engineers are waiting in the wings for those astro-and nuclear-physicists parading their strange science in public to get off the stage. It would be entertaining if it weren't so serious. But it is costing us dearly and holding up real progress.

~O~ http://www.holoscience.com/views/view_strange.htm ~O~

[Scootle]

I always found it interesting that the moon is just the right size and distance to be able to block out the sun as it does... it's higly improable that it came about as the result of a random collision or whatever ... but I always took that as evidence of intelligent design... I find it hard to believe that it was created by aliens or whatever... but I'm open to anything... it seems a little strange to me that people are just now calling david icke's sanity into question haha...

Here's an interview with him about it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSeH_Iy3As

[flaming_red_pill]

Does he mean there is a base on the moon, or is he literally saying that the moon is a base, i.e. completely fabricated and hollow?

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Do I really have to watch that?

[citizenx]

Yes, you have to watch it.  There will be a quiz afterward.

What a waste of freakin' time.

[iks83]

Icke really turned into diarrhea in the punchbowl again with this one. And its a shame that forum members are falling on their knees and praise him instead of asking obvious questions. I stopped listening to the interview after the 2nd part cause I just couldn't take it. Its like coasttocoast with some idiot with a crazy story as guest and the host groveling and failing to ask any hard question.

I mean the stuff about the alignment with the galactic center garbage has been debunked already in several 2012 debunking videos. Then he started with the insane statement that back before everything started mankind didn't need to eat food and animals didn't need to hunt other animals.... right so when they suddenly needed to eat food they imagined themselves some digestive systems, for the animals too of course and poof.... lets dig in. Its absolutely unlogical and whats his proof? Some tribal stories and stone tablets or whatever. Especially those ancient texts have been misinterpreted and mistranslated since centuries. More garbage piling on more garbage until some Mayan calender was made up and became the central point of the new age religion.

[planning4acrash]

Is Alex Jones embarrassed now for entertaining David Icke now that his new book discusses that the Moon is hollow, lived in by aliens obsessed with controlling humanity? Wouldn't that be the planet Poptart stuff he hates? Doesn't this sound like hard core co-intel-pro now? I quote:


"David's most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons."

"He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7."

http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246

[d0rn]

As for the earth turning into a dump - check. Moon being a hologram of sorts? Haven't been up there, can't prove it other than what NASA is supplying us with. See it with your own eyes should be the slogan. Maybe David should spend some cash and go to the moon to see if it's real or not. I wouldn't mind space tourism. David had an experience 20 years back. It has lead him to write books on his thoughts. That is how I see it. Look at it as if it were a novel. Then it makes more sense.

[Dok]

David Icke gone bonkers finally?

Gone? that guys always been bonkers.

[needguide]

Is Alex Jones embarrassed now for entertaining David Icke now that his new book discusses that the Moon is hollow, lived in by aliens obsessed with controlling humanity? Wouldn't that be the planet Poptart stuff he hates? Doesn't this sound like hard core co-intel-pro now? I quote:


"David's most staggering revelation is that the Earth and the collective human mind is manipulated from the Moon, which, he says, is not a ‘heavenly body’, but an artificial construct – a gigantic ‘spacecraft’ (probably a hollowed-out 'planetoid') – which is home to the extraterrestrial group that has been manipulating humanity for aeons."

"He describes what he calls the ‘Moon Matrix’, a fake reality broadcast from the Moon which is decoded by the human body/mind in much the same way as portrayed in the Matrix movie trilogy. The Moon Matrix has ‘hacked’ into the human ‘body-computer’ system, he says, and it is feeding us a manipulated sense of self and the world 24/7."

http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246

I am not sure if he has lost it. I am sure it will be a fascinating book.I just watched the newest interview with   Him I have seen for a while, Thanks to someone from this forum...he is interesting.. I am possessed by "Christ" So I don't by it....but it is still very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM

[planning4acrash]

Oh, I don't doubt that its interesting, I have heaps of morbid curiosity for it, but this stinks of being cointel-pro. A vicious attempt to throw weak minds off the scent.

[needguide]

Oh, I don't doubt that its interesting, I have heaps of morbid curiosity for it, but this stinks of being cointel-pro. A vicious attempt to throw weak minds off the scent.

I think he honestly believes it,So  co-Intel-pro? from unseen forces, I would believe, Not from some agenda a human cooked up.

[Kilgore Trout]

I would like to point out that in the history of "sci fi" what in past seemed impossible is today quite ordinary. All of todays innovations have their roots in science fiction. To our ancestors a round earth was laughable as well.

[d0rn]

I would like to point out that in the history of "sci fi" what in past seemed impossible is today quite ordinary. All of todays innovations have their roots in science fiction. To our ancestors a round earth was laughable as well.

And an iPad would be a window into another dimension for people a few hundred years ago. In 200 years, space travel will be relative common. Owning your own frigate or traveling through space will be common. And hundreds of years after that, we'll become something nobody to date could have ever dreamed of. Yet everyone will have their own "sci fi" into the future moments. They just don't see themselves as living in one as we do now. Today the earth is round. Tomorrow it's inside a web of universes (multi verse theory).

Technology will grow and grow. Long after we're all dead. We'll never see that Star Trek future. But other humans in their time will, and they'll think nothing of it. Just as you can drive a super expensive car or a plane with technology in every corner. Chatting on the Internet. Having a blast.

Wish we could have frozen a human from 1500s and brought him back now. He would think he's in heaven or maybe hell. I think he would commit suicide from all the information overload.

[jeremystalked1]

David Icke's interests, conclusions, and experiences scream mind control victim.  He undoubtedly believes all this stuff.  Maybe that's because he's seen "proof" of it fed to him by his COINTELPRO 2.0 handlers.

[citizenx]

Gone? that guys always been bonkers.

+1

Just because he might be on our side doesn't mean he isn't completely out to lunch.

[needguide]

I don't think he is to far off the bag...Although He seems to be referring to some Kind of a Rapture.. False or not, would have to be decided By each person, for Him, Or Her self.

[Dok]

I am not sure if he has lost it. I am sure it will be a fascinating book.I just watched the newest interview with   Him I have seen for a while, Thanks to someone from this forum...he is interesting.. I am possessed by "Christ" So I don't by it....but it is still very interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRTS-Zsd6ZM

They both make Maitreya happy. 

[Kilgore Trout]

And an iPad would be a window into another dimension for people a few hundred years ago. In 200 years, space travel will be relative common. Owning your own frigate or traveling through space will be common. And hundreds of years after that, we'll become something nobody to date could have ever dreamed of. Yet everyone will have their own "sci fi" into the future moments. They just don't see themselves as living in one as we do now. Today the earth is round. Tomorrow it's inside a web of universes (multi verse theory).

Technology will grow and grow. Long after we're all dead. We'll never see that Star Trek future. But other humans in their time will, and they'll think nothing of it. Just as you can drive a super expensive car or a plane with technology in every corner. Chatting on the Internet. Having a blast.

Wish we could have frozen a human from 1500s and brought him back now. He would think he's in heaven or maybe hell. I think he would commit suicide from all the information overload.

A few things from Star Trek made it so far , like holograms but specifically the "communicator" , which was basically a one touch "nextel" direct connect. I agree though.

[Georgiacopguy]

I just love it when the Icke apologists kick into high gear to defend his crazy talk... There are just some thigns that you can't defend, and to even attempt to defend them makes you look just as crazy as Icke.

[howard]

what makes this so crazy? if you could describe our rulers as anything it would be slimey f**king cold blooded reptilians!! now im not saying this is 100% truth, but the more you research the more youll find supporting this theory. there are many theories about all the moons and planets being hollow. including earth. if i remember right congress financed an expidition to hollow earth early 1900's or maybe late 1800's, and hitler was even on a quest to find the southern entrance to hollow earth on antarctica .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5NdtIEXoA

and why did the moon "ring like a bell" for an hour after apollo 12
These quotes are both from the first Chapter of Alien Agenda, and refer to the Apollo 12 incident.


Dr. Frank Press, MIT.

None of us have seen anything like this before on Earth. In all our experience, it is quite an extraordinary event. That this rather small impact... produced a signal lasting more than 30 minutes is quite beyond the range of our experience.



Maurice Ewing, Seismic Experiment Coordinator.

As for the meaning of it, I'd rather not make an interpretation right now. But it is as though someone had struck a Bell, say, in the Belfry of a Church a single blow and found that the reverberation from it continued for 30 minutes.

[Georgiacopguy]

Pseudo junk science at it's worst. Quote Hoagland while you are at it.

[RollerCam]

Since no one seems to have read the book yet, I'm forced to quote me a little vintage Einstein:

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

Boo-Yah!

[Georgiacopguy]

So I'm ignorant because I fail to believe a hollow moon theory, a moonly mothership if you will, with a moon matrix as it's purpose??? Sure, I'll gladly wear that moniker if it keeps me from being confused with "believe in anything" tards such as yourself.  Icke is cointelpro moron who makes it up as he goes along, will beleive in anything, and you my friend are his brain dead disciple. People like you make me realize that social darwinism does exist.

[Damascus]

Hmmmm... I'm looking for a word.... Has to do with something about having an unreasonable, unrealistic belief that is not supported by any evidence what so ever... I just can't seem to put my finger on it. Oh wait maybe it is dogma? Yea that might be the word I'm looking for. So many have fallen for Zecharia Sitchen's BS it is now becoming legitimate. So many believe it then it must be true.

[Georgiacopguy]

Hmmmm... I'm looking for a word.... Has to do with something about having an unreasonable, unrealistic belief that is not supported by any evidence what so ever... I just can't seem to put my finger on it. Oh wait maybe it is dogma? Yea that might be the word I'm looking for. So many have fallen for Zecharia Sitchen's BS it is now becoming legitimate. So many believe it then it must be true.

Yeah, some of these Icke followers are as bad as religious zealots.

[Freebird100]

David Icke's interests, conclusions, and experiences scream mind control victim.  He undoubtedly believes all this stuff.  Maybe that's because he's seen "proof" of it fed to him by his COINTELPRO 2.0 handlers.

I agree.Mind control is their biggest weapon.It`s hard for people to understand it when they can`t actually see it take place.

It reminds me of that ex MI6 agent who bad mouthed British intelligence and  soon after claimed he was Jesus and was wearing women`s clothes.

They have the mind control down.This is why they don`t have any fear of people like David Icke and Alex Jones and what they say.They know in the end they can alter how things turn out.

[Kilgore Trout]

Truth as we all know is stranger than fiction in many cases. All you people who judge and point fingers and call names , you all lack a very crucial component to necessitate original thought and original questions , that component is IMAGINATION.

There are many levels to ICKE and his work. one need not only take his ideas literally , at some point each individual should of course draw their own conclusions from the ideas he presents , but please stop that cowardly judging bullshit. None of you have the absolute truth about any of this , so stop pretending that your views are more valid.

Those reptilian theories are no less believable than the talking reptilian in the book of GenIsis.

[cjrocks]

This is retarded.

[Scootle]

Look guys I think any rational person can agree that the moon was probably intelligently designed. Whether it be by god or otherwise. The so called "giant impact theory", which is currently the most widely accepted atheistic theory, isn't even a theory at all, coz theories need supporting evidence! It's really just a story. The idea that billions of years ago a rock the size of mars smashed into the earth and out of that came the moon is presented in schools and in mainstream documentaries as a proven fact, but it aint, it's speculation. Scientists don't have a clue where the moon came from. Add to that the fact that the moon is just the right size and distance away from us compared to the sun that it blocks out the sun the way it does during an eclipse, and naturalistic theories become enormously improbable. Now you can go down the creationist route and believe god created it or you can go down a so-called "new age" route and believe aliens created it. Both are equally valid. Anyone who instantly dismisses this as crazy is still asleep in my oppinion.

[Freeski]

Truth as we all know is stranger than fiction in many cases. All you people who judge and point fingers and call names , you all lack a very crucial component to necessitate original thought and original questions , that component is IMAGINATION.

There are many levels to ICKE and his work. one need not only take his ideas literally , at some point each individual should of course draw their own conclusions from the ideas he presents , but please stop that cowardly judging bullshit. None of you have the absolute truth about any of this , so stop pretending that your views are more valid.

Those reptilian theories are no less believable than the talking reptilian in the book of GenIsis.

+1

[Viper]

Look guys I think any rational person can agree that the moon was probably intelligently designed. ..

Ok, now please explain away the moonmen beaming holograms into our heads, he's a kook.