Gods of the New Age

[Dok]

Gods of the New Age

The Best Video on the New Age Movement ever made. An eye-opening film of the Yoga Meditation, Eastern Mysticism, PsychologiaI Therapy, Self-Help, Mind Control and much more... Expores the eerie world of ego-maniacal gurus and their western counterpats, New Agers. The definitive work. Explores its birth, its invasion, and its effect on western society. It explores the pagan roots of eastern mysticism, meditation, yoga, and more. An eye-opening expose of the New Age movement. Shows how it was conceived in the early 1960's at a planning session by Hindu gurus in India as a means of converting Americans to Eastern mysticism. The seemingly innocuous devices used range from Yoga meditation to a belief in reincarnation. We are given an extraordinary inside glimpse into cult mentality and mindless obedience, and we see how an outright attack against traditional American beliefs has been successfully launched, not only from Hindu missionaries, but from unsuspecting Americans who have accepted the surface manifestations of this religion as trendy and fun. The film covers the chilling parallels between the belief structure in today's New Age subculture and that in Hitler's Third Reich two generations ago. 1 hour 43 minutes.' With explosive facts, it explains why yoga, meditation, psychologiaI therapy and self-help are turning millions to a pagan worldview. This film expores the eerie world of ego-maniacal gurus and their western counterpats, New Agers. In a series of exclusive, candid interviews, we share the thoughts of "master" and witness the blind devotion and mindless obedience of "disciple." Gods of the New Age takes us from a clandestine, early sixties planning meeting held by Indian gurus to today's dignified U.S corridors, American schoolrooms and Christian churctes. The film uncovers the chilling paralels between today's Western culture. and the similar climate that bred Hitler's Third Reich a generation ago!

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6272335793596892362&ei=keKOS9mNL4TWqgKS0r2_CQ&q=gods+of+the+new+age&hl=en#

[ronaldomoon]

The Best Video on the New Age Movement ever made.

This is an absolutely true statement. This movie is amazing. I've watched it twice in the last few days, first on my own and then with my wife. And I just ordered that Johanna Michaelsen book that was mentioned in this video - "The Beautiful Side of Evil". It cost me a grand total of $6.02 and that's shipping and tax included! I can't wait to read it, she really seemed to know her stuff in the movie.

It's funny that I spent so many years searching for "the truth" in regard to religion while ignoring the Bible and books/films by Christian authors like this one. It's funny because everything that I ended up learning, those things that made me realize that the Bible is the truth, were already all explained in books and movies by people like Johanna Michaelsen, Dave Hunt, and the Alien Resistance crew. A lot of the things that are talked about in this movie are things that I used to at least partially believe in. Probably better that it worked out that way though, with me learning about it more from the inside-out because now I can tell people about this stuff and use my own experiences as an example of how these things can get people going down the wrong path. I'm just glad I woke up before it's too late.

And this is sort of off-topic...but, Dok - do you ever try to talk about this stuff with Christians who aren't already "in the know" so-to-speak regarding things like we discuss on this forum? If you do, how does it go? It seems like most Christians I know don't want to take this stuff very seriously. I do run into some folks that are very open to this kind of thing but a lot seem to either not care, not think it's a real problem, or not even believe that there are things like evil spirits empowering evil men who conspire against God. They think it's too "out there" or something like that. Anyway, just wanted to see if you have had similar experiences.

[Shroom!]

OK Dok, so Yoga is evil? All eastern spiritual thinkings are wrong?

[America2]

OK Dok, so Yoga is evil? All eastern spiritual thinkings are wrong?

Just watched the darn thing-WOW...yes, Hinduism IS evil...you need to watch this!

1Ti 4:1  Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2  Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3  Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4  For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5  For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6  If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.

[ekimdrachir]

I must see, zeitgeist 2 was good but such a let down. We need to locate the best documentaries like these.

[America2]

I must see, zeitgeist 2 was good but such a let down. We need to locate the best documentaries like these.

For the most part, I had no idea Hinduism has done THIS much damage to our society as a whole, not just Christianity, but pretty much everything else.

Our Hollywood movies are heavily influenced by Hinduism

Ghandi was NOT this "man of peace" the MSM and Hollywood(the movie where Ben Kingsley played the lead character) has portrayed him - as a matter of fact, he's one of the fathers of the New Age movement, and has done his part of blending Hinduism with Christianity. From what I understand in that documentary, he was also a petifile.

Churches seminaries since the 70's or so have slowly but surely let Hinduism ooze into their walls

Yoga of course came out of Hinduism

George Harrison of the Beattles was actually THE guy who brought this Eastern religion occult practice when the Beattles visited India one year - otherwise, prior to this, Yoga was ONLY practiced by the OCCULT in the West - now? It's really spread in the West.

Again - HIGHLY recommend this documentary - there's ALOT more to this.

[Shroom!]

Sorry but Yoga is not evil. How exactly is stretching your muscles and toning up evil?

[Dok]

Sorry but Yoga is not evil. How exactly is stretching your muscles and toning up evil?

dont know much about Yoga do ya. 

[Shroom!]

dont know much about Yoga do ya. 

Well my gf does it occassionally and a lot of our friends to it regularly. I'm not so flexible these days due to an old sports injury so a lot of the stretches I can't do. Please tell me how strectching and clearing your mind is a bad thing? I will watch that vid but I don't have the time right now.

[TheJudge]

Sorry but Yoga is not evil. How exactly is stretching your muscles and toning up evil?

I think what they are saying is that some people practice Yoga to achieve "enlightenment" and view it as a way to reach their "god"...I have not seen the documentary, but I imagine that is what is going on...I do not see where there is a problem doing Yoga just for the stretching moves or some kind of exercise...However, I think there is a lot more to the practice of Yoga than just exercise...I could be way off base though.

[Shroom!]

I think what they are saying is that some people practice Yoga to achieve "enlightenment" and view it as a way to reach their "god"...I have not seen the documentary, but I imagine that is what is going on...I do not see where there is a problem doing Yoga just for the stretching moves or some kind of exercise...However, I think there is a lot more to the practice of Yoga than just exercise...I could be way off base though.

Yes, yoga is used along with meditation. Yes, some people use it as one method from which to attain enlightenment. At the very least, it can be used to clear your mind and help you relax. Yoga masters spend a very long time trying to reach the desired state. Who's to say that the eastern idea of enlightenment is less valid than the western idea of salvation?

[Dok]

Well my gf does it occassionally and a lot of our friends to it regularly. I'm not so flexible these days due to an old sports injury so a lot of the stretches I can't do. Please tell me how strectching and clearing your mind is a bad thing? I will watch that vid but I don't have the time right now.

watch the video, than get back to me if you have any more questions. Yoga means to yoke, its what your yoking yourself too. Ill let you look that up.

[TheJudge]

watch the video, than get back to me if you have any more questions. Yoga means to yoke, its what your yoking yourself too. Ill let you look that up.

DOK...Is this what you are referring to??

http://www.pastornet.net.au/response/articles/18.htm


Yoga means "to yoke"—to yoke with Brahman (i.e., the "Infinite," the "Universal Spirit," the impersonal force that the Hindus call "God") via the realization of an altered state of consciousness, thereby theoretically releasing oneself from the bondage of endless reincarnation. Yoga comes out of the Hindu Vedas. It can be traced back to Patanjali, who was a religious leader. Shiva, one of Hinduism's three most powerful gods, was known as "The Destroyer"—he's called Yogi Swara or the "Lord of Yoga."

- Consider the following portion of an article from a secular newspaper:

"It is estimated that there are 10,000 yoga teachers in the United States, who teach between 4 and 5 million students a week. Yoga is a program that involves conscious stretching, deliberate movements, controlled breathing and relaxation exercises. It's purpose is to develop strength, flexibility, balance, body alignment, body awareness, muscular balance, calmness and controlled breathing. Yoga originated from a school of thought in the Hindu religion, which suggests that postures can isolate the soul from the body and the mind. In the Western world, yoga is used mainly as a form of exercise. Yoga comes from the original Sanskrit word, 'joga,' which means 'to join.' Yoga means to join body, mind and breath; to get them to work together in harmony [This is a lie!]. It's very gentle, slow and meditative; but it requires concentration. Yoga instructors say they have received a handful of complaints from people who believe yoga is intertwined with mysticism and the occult. [We] acknowledge that yoga does indeed come from a portion of India's Hindu religion, but [our] classes deal mainly with the physical aspects of yoga, and do not in any way coerce people to become involved in Eastern religion" [another lie]. (Source: The Bloomington Herald-Times, 1991.) (Emphasis added.)

Sadly, even professing Christians have bought into this lie. Every Yoga teacher is, in effect, a Hindu or Buddhist missionary, even though "he or she may wear a cross, insist that Jesus was a great Yogi, and protest that Yoga is not a religion but science. This is the most blatant of lies. Yet it has been so widely proclaimed and believed that in America's public schools, beginning in kindergarten, and in almost every other area of society today, Yoga and other forms of Hindu-Buddhist occultism are taught and accepted as science. In contrast, Christianity has been thrown out of the schools and is being crowded out of every other area of life in the "broad-minded" move to replace religion with the New Age 'science'!" (Source: Dave Hunt, Peace, Prosperity, and the Coming Holocaust, p. 147.)

- The practice of Yoga is pagan at best, and occultic at worse. Its teachings eminate from the Eastern religions, all of which teach that self is God, only we just don't realize it. "The goal of Yoga is 'self-realization '—to look deeply within what ought to be the temple of the one true God and there to discover the alleged 'true Self' or 'higher Self' and declare self to be God. Nothing could be more religious than that, yet with straight faces all of the Yogis insist that practicing Yoga will not change anyone's religious beliefs. This is the religion of Antichrist; and for the first time in history it is being widely practiced throughout the Western world as Transcendental Meditation and other forms of Yoga." (Source: Dave Hunt, The Seduction of Christianity, p. 54.)

- Yoga calls itself science. "By calling itself science, Yoga (which is the very heart of Hinduism), has within the last [30] years become an integral part of Western society, where it is taught in nearly every YMCA or YWCA, in clubs, in public schools, in industry, and in many churches. Dressed in Western clothes, Yoga has gained acceptance in medicine, psychology, education, and religion under such euphemisms as 'centering,' 'relaxation therapy,' 'self-hypnosis,' and 'creative visualization.' Yoga is designed to lead to the 'realization' of one's true 'godhood' through an inward meditative journey that finally locates the ultimate source of everything within the human psyche." (Source: Dave Hunt, The Seduction of Christianity, p. 110.)

- Hatha-yoga is a popular form of Yoga practiced today by those looking for a form of relaxation and non-strenuous exercise. Johanna Michaelsen, however, correctly discerns:

"There is a common misconception in the West that hatha-yoga, one of about ten forms of Yoga that supposedly leads to self-realization, is merely a neutral form of exercise, a soothing and effective alternative for those who abhor jogging and calisthenics ... [However], Hatha-yoga is 'one of the six recognized systems of orthodox Hinduism' and is at its roots religious and mystical. It is also one of the most difficult and potentially dangerous [spiritually] forms of Yoga.

"The term hatha is derived from the verb hath, which means 'to oppress.'... What the practice of hatha-yoga is designed to do is suppress the flow of psychic energies through these channels ["symbolic, or psychic, passages on either side of the spinal column"], thereby forcing the 'serpent power' or the kundalini force to rise through the central psychic channel in the spine (the sushumna) and up through the chakras, the supposed psychic centers of human personality and power. Westerners mistakenly believe that one can practice hatha-yoga apart from the philosophical and religious beliefs that undergrid it. This is an absolutely false belief. ... You cannot separate the exercises from the philosophy. ... 'The movements themselves become a form of meditation.' The continued practice of the exercises will, whether you ... intend it or not, eventually influence you toward an Eastern/mystical perspective. That is what it is meant to do! ... There is, by definition, no such thing as 'neutral' Yoga" (Like Lambs to the Slaughter, pp. 93-95). (Last emphasis added.)

- So if someone's interested in physical exercises that are designed to help one's body, he should not take Yoga, which is designed for death, and teaches how to reach this state of consciousness* where one gets a better reincarnation. Even the physical positions in Yoga come right out of the Hindu scriptures, and are designed to put one into this state of consciousness where you imagine that you're God. Therefore, Christians who think they think they're getting relaxation and/or exercise, are really getting Hinduism! They think they're getting science, but they're getting religion. It's mislabeled and it's dangerous! (Summarized from Dave Hunt's comments on a 1988 John Ankerberg Show program, "The New Age in Society.")

- John Weldon and Clifford Wilson wrote in Occult Shock and Psychic Forces that Yoga is really pure occultism. Hans-Ulrich Rieker, in his book The Yoga of Light, also warns that misunderstanding the true nature of Yoga can mean "death or insanity." Also a little known fact is that virtually every major guru in India has issued warnings similar to these; i.e., deep-breathing techniques such as the ones taught in Yoga are a time-honored method for entering altered states of consciousness and for developing so-called psychic power.

* Yoga is one of the basic means of reaching this altered state of consciousness. And the altered state is the doorway to the occult. Sir John Eccles, Nobel Prize Winner for his research on the brain, said the brain is "a machine that a ghost can operate." In a normal state of consciousness one's own spirit ticks off the neurons in his brain and operates his body. We are spirits connected with a body. But in an altered state, reached under drugs, Yoga, hypnosis, etc., this passive but alert state, the connection between the spirit and the brain, is loosened. That allows another spirit to interpose itself, to begin to tick off the neurons in the brain, and create an entire universe of illusion. You've then opened yourself up. It's called sorcery. People are literally teaching themselves how to be demonized, all in the name of developing one's full potential.

Biblical Discernment Ministries - Revised 3/96

[Dok]

DOK...Is this what you are referring to??

http://www.pastornet.net.au/response/articles/18.htm


Yoga means "to yoke"—to yoke with Brahman (i.e., the "Infinite," the "Universal Spirit," the impersonal force that the Hindus call "God") via the realization of an altered state of consciousness, thereby theoretically releasing oneself from the bondage of endless reincarnation. Yoga comes out of the Hindu Vedas. It can be traced back to Patanjali, who was a religious leader. Shiva, one of Hinduism's three most powerful gods, was known as "The Destroyer"—he's called Yogi Swara or the "Lord of Yoga."

- Consider the following portion of an article from a secular newspaper:

"It is estimated that there are 10,000 yoga teachers in the United States, who teach between 4 and 5 million students a week. Yoga is a program that involves conscious stretching, deliberate movements, controlled breathing and relaxation exercises. It's purpose is to develop strength, flexibility, balance, body alignment, body awareness, muscular balance, calmness and controlled breathing. Yoga originated from a school of thought in the Hindu religion, which suggests that postures can isolate the soul from the body and the mind. In the Western world, yoga is used mainly as a form of exercise. Yoga comes from the original Sanskrit word, 'joga,' which means 'to join.' Yoga means to join body, mind and breath; to get them to work together in harmony [This is a lie!]. It's very gentle, slow and meditative; but it requires concentration. Yoga instructors say they have received a handful of complaints from people who believe yoga is intertwined with mysticism and the occult. [We] acknowledge that yoga does indeed come from a portion of India's Hindu religion, but [our] classes deal mainly with the physical aspects of yoga, and do not in any way coerce people to become involved in Eastern religion" [another lie]. (Source: The Bloomington Herald-Times, 1991.) (Emphasis added.)

Sadly, even professing Christians have bought into this lie. Every Yoga teacher is, in effect, a Hindu or Buddhist missionary, even though "he or she may wear a cross, insist that Jesus was a great Yogi, and protest that Yoga is not a religion but science. This is the most blatant of lies. Yet it has been so widely proclaimed and believed that in America's public schools, beginning in kindergarten, and in almost every other area of society today, Yoga and other forms of Hindu-Buddhist occultism are taught and accepted as science. In contrast, Christianity has been thrown out of the schools and is being crowded out of every other area of life in the "broad-minded" move to replace religion with the New Age 'science'!" (Source: Dave Hunt, Peace, Prosperity, and the Coming Holocaust, p. 147.)

- The practice of Yoga is pagan at best, and occultic at worse. Its teachings eminate from the Eastern religions, all of which teach that self is God, only we just don't realize it. "The goal of Yoga is 'self-realization '—to look deeply within what ought to be the temple of the one true God and there to discover the alleged 'true Self' or 'higher Self' and declare self to be God. Nothing could be more religious than that, yet with straight faces all of the Yogis insist that practicing Yoga will not change anyone's religious beliefs. This is the religion of Antichrist; and for the first time in history it is being widely practiced throughout the Western world as Transcendental Meditation and other forms of Yoga." (Source: Dave Hunt, The Seduction of Christianity, p. 54.)

- Yoga calls itself science. "By calling itself science, Yoga (which is the very heart of Hinduism), has within the last [30] years become an integral part of Western society, where it is taught in nearly every YMCA or YWCA, in clubs, in public schools, in industry, and in many churches. Dressed in Western clothes, Yoga has gained acceptance in medicine, psychology, education, and religion under such euphemisms as 'centering,' 'relaxation therapy,' 'self-hypnosis,' and 'creative visualization.' Yoga is designed to lead to the 'realization' of one's true 'godhood' through an inward meditative journey that finally locates the ultimate source of everything within the human psyche." (Source: Dave Hunt, The Seduction of Christianity, p. 110.)

- Hatha-yoga is a popular form of Yoga practiced today by those looking for a form of relaxation and non-strenuous exercise. Johanna Michaelsen, however, correctly discerns:

"There is a common misconception in the West that hatha-yoga, one of about ten forms of Yoga that supposedly leads to self-realization, is merely a neutral form of exercise, a soothing and effective alternative for those who abhor jogging and calisthenics ... [However], Hatha-yoga is 'one of the six recognized systems of orthodox Hinduism' and is at its roots religious and mystical. It is also one of the most difficult and potentially dangerous [spiritually] forms of Yoga.

"The term hatha is derived from the verb hath, which means 'to oppress.'... What the practice of hatha-yoga is designed to do is suppress the flow of psychic energies through these channels ["symbolic, or psychic, passages on either side of the spinal column"], thereby forcing the 'serpent power' or the kundalini force to rise through the central psychic channel in the spine (the sushumna) and up through the chakras, the supposed psychic centers of human personality and power. Westerners mistakenly believe that one can practice hatha-yoga apart from the philosophical and religious beliefs that undergrid it. This is an absolutely false belief. ... You cannot separate the exercises from the philosophy. ... 'The movements themselves become a form of meditation.' The continued practice of the exercises will, whether you ... intend it or not, eventually influence you toward an Eastern/mystical perspective. That is what it is meant to do! ... There is, by definition, no such thing as 'neutral' Yoga" (Like Lambs to the Slaughter, pp. 93-95). (Last emphasis added.)

- So if someone's interested in physical exercises that are designed to help one's body, he should not take Yoga, which is designed for death, and teaches how to reach this state of consciousness* where one gets a better reincarnation. Even the physical positions in Yoga come right out of the Hindu scriptures, and are designed to put one into this state of consciousness where you imagine that you're God. Therefore, Christians who think they think they're getting relaxation and/or exercise, are really getting Hinduism! They think they're getting science, but they're getting religion. It's mislabeled and it's dangerous! (Summarized from Dave Hunt's comments on a 1988 John Ankerberg Show program, "The New Age in Society.")

- John Weldon and Clifford Wilson wrote in Occult Shock and Psychic Forces that Yoga is really pure occultism. Hans-Ulrich Rieker, in his book The Yoga of Light, also warns that misunderstanding the true nature of Yoga can mean "death or insanity." Also a little known fact is that virtually every major guru in India has issued warnings similar to these; i.e., deep-breathing techniques such as the ones taught in Yoga are a time-honored method for entering altered states of consciousness and for developing so-called psychic power.

* Yoga is one of the basic means of reaching this altered state of consciousness. And the altered state is the doorway to the occult. Sir John Eccles, Nobel Prize Winner for his research on the brain, said the brain is "a machine that a ghost can operate." In a normal state of consciousness one's own spirit ticks off the neurons in his brain and operates his body. We are spirits connected with a body. But in an altered state, reached under drugs, Yoga, hypnosis, etc., this passive but alert state, the connection between the spirit and the brain, is loosened. That allows another spirit to interpose itself, to begin to tick off the neurons in the brain, and create an entire universe of illusion. You've then opened yourself up. It's called sorcery. People are literally teaching themselves how to be demonized, all in the name of developing one's full potential.

Biblical Discernment Ministries - Revised 3/96

ya, looks good.

[TheJudge]

OK...I do have one problem with some of these assertions...I see and understand the definitive issue for a Christian who uses Yoga to reach an altered state of consciousness and enlightenment...However, some of these people are claiming that the moves/positions in Yoga create this pathway to an altered state whether the practitioner realizes it or not....therefore, that person is participating in the Occult...I do not quite get that....So now is someone going to claim that when a runner experiences "runners high", that runner is participating in the Occult?  After/during vigorous exercise the body releases endorphins in the body creating a "feel good" feeling for a period of time.  So would these folks claim that a person who performs calisthenics and enjoys both the physical, mental, and emotional benefits of such exercise is part of the Occult? Another question...Some exercises performed in gymnastics and wrestling (I participate in both sports) are similar to some moves in Yoga.  For example, the wrestlers bridge and gymnastic bridge are moves practiced in Yoga, although I do not know its actual Yoga names....Are some going to claim that gymnasts and wrestlers are participating in the Occult? I have a hard time accepting that one....

[Shroom!]

Occult does not mean bad. Occult means "hidden knowledge". It was the christians who turned the word into one that means bad or black magic.

[America2]

Sorry but Yoga is not evil. How exactly is stretching your muscles and toning up evil?

Well, I'll just say this much(again) - Hellywood(which is an arm of the NWO) uses alot of this Hinduism doctrine in their movies(see George Lucas and his Star Wars movies). Yoga comes out of Hinduism.

BEFORE the Beattles went out to India on a concert tour, Yoga was ONLY practiced by the OCCULT in the West. But when George Harrison brought it back to the West(they included some of their philosophies in one of their songs), it was when the seeds got planted.

No, not saying the Beattles were solely responsible, but you can't deny how much clout this rock group has, even to this very day. It's no different, from let's say, how Tom Cruise and John Travolta used their clout in the 1990's to spread this Scientology propaganda in the West.

This is all I'll say for now - just watch the video, you will be shocked.

[TheJudge]

America2...What your thoughts on the questions/thoughts I posed above? I am watching this documentary now and it is shocking/disturbing....

[Dok]

OK...I do have one problem with some of these assertions...I see and understand the definitive issue for a Christian who uses Yoga to reach an altered state of consciousness and enlightenment...However, some of these people are claiming that the moves/positions in Yoga create this pathway to an altered state whether the practitioner realizes it or not....therefore, that person is participating in the Occult...I do not quite get that....So now is someone going to claim that when a runner experiences "runners high", that runner is participating in the Occult?  After/during vigorous exercise the body releases endorphins in the body creating a "feel good" feeling for a period of time.  So would these folks claim that a person who performs calisthenics and enjoys both the physical, mental, and emotional benefits of such exercise is part of the Occult? Another question...Some exercises performed in gymnastics and wrestling (I participate in both sports) are similar to some moves in Yoga.  For example, the wrestlers bridge and gymnastic bridge are moves practiced in Yoga, although I do not know its actual Yoga names....Are some going to claim that gymnasts and wrestlers are participating in the Occult? I have a hard time accepting that one....

I don't think you are quit getting it. Yoga is a spiritual exercise. The movements are used to help you focus. Is there anything wrong with stretches? no, but when your stretching for football or weight lifting, your not trying to get yourself to a spiritual higher plane, or unlock chakras or stuff like that are ya?

a Ouija board is just a game, right?

[Shroom!]

I don't think you are quit getting it. Yoga is a spiritual exercise. The movements are used to help you focus. Is there anything wrong with stretches? no, but when your stretching for football or weight lifting, your not trying to get yourself to a spiritual higher plane, or unlock chakras or stuff like that are ya?

a Ouija board is just a game, right?

What's wrong with unlocking chakras? Do you think I am a herald of the devil becasue I practice Reiki (which originated in Japan so must be evil, right)?

[Dok]

What's wrong with unlocking chakras? Do you think I am a herald of the devil becasue I practice Reiki (which originated in Japan so must be evil, right)?

you sure... Japan? dig a little deeper. 

[tinfoiltruth]

Dok, would you feel it is ok to use Yoga if it is Christ Centered?

IE. using yoga to focus on Christ, on your spiritual relationship with Christ?

a form of meditation
Joshua 1:8 (King James Version)

 8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

[Dok]

Dok, would you feel it is ok to use Yoga if it is Christ Centered?

IE. using yoga to focus on Christ, on your spiritual relationship with Christ?

a form of meditation
Joshua 1:8 (King James Version)

 8This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.

A SUBTLE AND DANGEROUS SHIFT IN CHRISTIANITY

By Marsha West

June 13, 2010
NewsWithViews.com

It seems everyone’s practicing yoga meditation these days. Physicians recommend it to their patients which means it’s beneficial…right? Meditation is said to relieve stress, anxiety, hypertension, acne and post-nasal drip, so go for it! Just tighten those abdominal muscles, inhale deeply and chant Maaaaaaaaa all in one breath and your concerns will drift away like a feather floating on the wind…

But what if you’re a Christian? Should you practice the same sorts of things as Buddhist, Hindu’s and New Agers?

Listen to what the Bible says:

"This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth, but thou shalt meditate thereon day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success" (Josh.1:.

Firstly, meditating day and night does not mean to stay awake for 24 hours a day. Secondly, Christian meditation is very different from Eastern meditation. Followers of Jesus Christ are not to sit in the lotus pose in an altered state of consciousness seeking the “God within” like pagans do. The Bible teaches that when Christians meditate our minds are to be fully engaged. We are never to go into a trance-state.

What does meditation involve? “The word ‘meditation’ in Hebrew means basically to speak or to mutter. When this is done in the heart it is called musing or meditation. So meditating on the Word of God day and night means to speak to yourself the Word of God day and night and to speak to yourself about it.”

Before you dive into God’s Word take a moment to ask the Holy Spirit to illuminate your mind and to reveal truth to you. As you read, stop to ponder what God has spoken through the words on the page. Always, always, always consider the context. In Charles Spurgeon’s sermon “Pray Without Ceasing,” he says there are four important questions to be asked:

“What do these words imply? Secondly, What do they actually mean? Thirdly, How shall we obey them? And, fourthly, Why should WE especially obey them?”

Sometimes you need to read a passage over and over…reflect on it…analyze it…and listen while the Holy Spirit speaks truth to you. A word of warning: Listening to God does not require that you “empty” your mind. This meditative practice, called Lectio divina a.k.a. spiritual formation…the silence…best known as contemplative (centering) prayer (CP) is a growing trend in evangelical churches despite the fact that this sort of prayer ritual comes from teaching associated with Catholic mystics such as Meister Eckhart, Ignatius of Loyola, St. John of the Cross, and St. Teresa of Avila. CP was reintroduced by Thomas Merton, Thomas Keating, Henri Nouwen, William Meninger, Basil Pennington and other mystics.

Many in the Emergent Church movement (ECM) are advancing Roman Catholic mysticism as well. Yet they insist on being seen as mainline evangelicals. ECM has not only introduced aberrant teaching into our churches, it undermines the authority of Scripture. Gary Gilley laments that there has been a shift from infallible scriptures to “psychological and sociological experts, opinions of the masses, trends of the moment and the philosophy of pragmatism. This shift has been subtle, which has made it all the more dangerous. Few have bothered to deny the Bible itself, they just misquote it, abuse its meaning, force their opinion on it, and if necessary mistranslate it to give the appearance that the Scriptures are backing their claims. The affect of all of this scriptural manipulation is to both erode the authority of God’s Word and to give the appearance that what Scripture has to say isn’t really important. It is only a short step from here to a Christian community that no longer has much use for the Bible.” (This is eerily similar to the way liberals/progressives treat the U.S. Constitution.)

The Body of Christ needs to know who these apostates are. Rick Warren for one. Warren has been promoting CP in his books for years. Other important figures are Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, Brian McLaren, Leonard Sweet, Frank Viola, Jim Wallis, Tony Campolo, Richard Rohr, Rob Bell, Tony Jones, Doug Pagitt, Dan Kimball and Shane Claiborne. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Listen to why it can be dangerous:

“It has the potential to become, and often does become, a pursuit of mystical experience where the goal is to empty and free the mind and empower oneself. The Christian… uses the Scriptures to pursue the knowledge of God, wisdom, and holiness through the objective meaning of the text with the aim of transforming the mind according to truth. God said His people are destroyed for lack of knowledge (Hosea 4:6), not for lack of mystical, personal encounters with Him.”

One should also consider that emptying or freeing the mind can put a person in contact with demons:

“[T]he dangers inherent in opening our minds and listening for voices should be obvious. The contemplative pray-ers are so eager to hear something—anything—that they can lose the objectivity needed to discern between God’s voice, their own thoughts, and the infiltration of demons into their minds.”

Contemplative prayer is almost identical to how the Zen Buddhists meditate. Following is part of the meditation process, "Just be still and know”:

“Sit in the lotus pose (cross legged) keeping your spine straight... put your hands on each other in your lap… Now look at your left hand...just look. Aware of the left part of your body... look at the left hand in an empty manner. Just look. Don't let any thought pop up in your mind…look blankly on your left hand and try to feel the left portion of your body…feel the left part...feel…This very process will activate your right brain. When the right brain activates, it results in disappearance of thoughts. Your thought will start disappearing…[ Slowly after a few sessions of practicing this meditation, you will be able to instantly achieve this state of disappearance of thoughts]”

In Buddhism repeating a single word is known as a mantra. Many Buddhists simply murmur ommmm repeatedly. When Christians practice CP a word or phrase from the Bible is repeated. Many believers, especially young people, have been conned into believing that saying “I love Jesus” over and over will get them in contact with God. The fact of the matter is this approach to drawing close to God is unbiblical. Thus it should be eliminated from the serious Christian’s approach to and understanding of meditation and prayer.

With these practices and beliefs comes a “virtual encyclopedia of theological error,” says Gary Gilley. Many change agents in the Church are “Progressive Christians” now morphing into “social justice Christians” (SJC). Social justice is doublespeak for socialism. Spreading the social justice gospel is not the good news the Bible speaks of. SJCs want to mold America into a socialist saturated nanny state. Their aim is to redistribute the wealth. Before you buy into the SJC hype, check your history books. In every country socialism has been tried it has failed. Socialism takes away people’s freedoms and ultimately leads to tyranny. So why on earth does America want to copy it?

SJCs are bent on reinventing, or as Dan Kimball puts it “re-imagining” traditional Christianity. Progressives are pushing pluralism. Because….when the Church becomes ecumenical and includes aspects of other religions it will blend nicely into their perception of how the 21st Century is going to be.

Authentic Christianity will never blend in! Christianity stands alone. All other religions are based on works righteousness (if you’re a good person you will ultimately be rewarded). The Bible is very clear that “there is no one righteous, no not one” (Rom 3:10). We are all sinners in need of a Savior. Sin separates us from a holy God. Christians believe Christ died for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. We believe we are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ’s righteousness alone. True Christians are willing to die for the Truth. Are counterfeit Christians willing to die for their truth?

So, where was I?…Oh yes.

Progressive Christians are introducing theological error into the Church faster than a starving cheetah chasing down a gazelle. In “How to Practice Meditative Prayer” Acts 29 Pastor, Winfield Bevins, explains:

“In Hebrew thought, to meditate upon the Scriptures is to quietly repeat them, giving oneself entirely to God, and abandoning outside distractions. The two main things that we are told to meditate on are God's word and God's goodness. Paul tells us, ‘Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things’ (Philippians 4:.”

Paul was not talking about prayer when he said “think about these things.” He was saying that we should let our minds dwell on pure thoughts because what we allow into our minds shapes our actions. Paul finishes his thought in verse 9:

“Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”

Do what you have seen me do, says Paul. This is not about finding a quiet place to sit crossed legged and prayerfully meditate—he was telling them to imitate what they have seen in him! According to Matthew Henry's Whole Bible Commentary:

“In these things he proposes himself to them for an example (v. 9): Those things which you have learned, and received, and heard and seen in me, do. … What they saw in him was the same thing with what they heard from him. He could propose himself as well as his doctrine to their imitation. It gives a great force to what we say to others when we can appeal to what they have seen in us. And this is the way to have the God of peace with us-to keep close to our duty to him. The Lord is with us while we are with him.”

Many Christians lead busy lives so they put off spending time with God. In fact, data shows that most believers spend very little time in their Bibles, even though there’s a whole lot of prayin’ goin’ on! People running hither and yon bombard the Lord with bullet prayers. Now, don’t get me wrong. Praying umpteen times a day is what believers should do--we are commanded to pray without ceasing. (1 Thes. 5:17) We are also commanded to abide in Christ:

“I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing” (John 15:5).

If followers of Jesus Christ are to bring forth good fruit they must stay attached to the Vine. The fruit believers bear when they’re not abiding in Christ may look ripe and juicy on the outside. But it is rotten fruit!

There is a story in Luke 10:38-42 of two sisters, Mary and Martha, who thought differently about how to serve their Master. When Jesus came to their home Martha stayed in the kitchen preparing food for their guests. She had her own ideas on how to serve Christ. Martha became vexed that Mary was not helping with the meal. Instead she sat at the feet of Jesus to hear his word. Martha actually went to Him to complain. Instead of taking her side, Christ publicly rebuked her:

“And Jesus answered and said unto her, Martha, Martha, thou art careful and troubled about many things…”

In his commentary Matthew Henry explains the situation:

“He repeated her name, Martha, Martha; he speaks as one in earnest, and deeply concerned for her welfare. Those that are entangled in the cares of this life are not easily disentangled. To them we must call again and again, O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the Lord.”

Jesus continues:

“But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her.”

Again, Matthew Henry:

“She had justly given the preference to that which best deserved it; for one thing is needful, this one thing that she has done, to give up herself to the guidance of Christ, and receive the law from his mouth. Note, Serious godliness is a needful thing, it is the one thing needful; for nothing without this will do us any real good in this world, and nothing but this will go with us into another world.”

Certainly there is nothing wrong with cooking for guests. But what we need to remember is that we are children of God before we are servants of God. Like Mary, we must sit at our Lord’s feet. Martha was so busy serving Jesus that she had no time to spend with Him! Have I hit a nerve?

Prayer is intended as praise, confession, thanksgiving, and asking for others. (Phil 4:4-7) In prayer we find God's love and we will experience peace. Moreover, through prayer we are conformed to God’s will. Prayer is not meant to be an esoteric experience, like the contemplatives would have us believe. The Bible does not teach that God’s people are to go into a self-induced altered-state of consciousness to commune with Him. Again, meditating day and night does not mean we are to look for the “God within,” as Eastern mystics and occultist do. For the Christian to be involved in any sort of pagan practice is strictly forbidden by God! This is because God opposes paganism's polytheism and blatant immorality. There is no getting around the fact that polytheism and immorality are the pagan way.

The Christian who truly wants to please God will do as the psalmist suggests:

"Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength and my redeemer" (Psalm 19:14).

1- Explore the Emergent/Emerging/Emergence Church Movement
2- Explore “Christian” Yoga
3- Explore Contemplative Prayer

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[tinfoiltruth]

A SUBTLE AND DANGEROUS SHIFT IN CHRISTIANITY



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good read thanks dok. book marked for later date when I have time to study it

[TheJudge]

What is bible verse that is quoted at the very end of this documentary?

Thanks!

[shipgeek]

OK Dok, so Yoga is evil? All eastern spiritual thinkings are wrong?

A very narrow minded view indeed.

Christianity can be really evil - think inquisition.

Think all these paedophiles within the catholic church at every level, money laundering from the Vatican, a Pope trying to protect paedophiles... and they are not only in the catholic church... these evil doers exist in other religions as well.

and those teachings saying you have to suffer and carry your cross to reach heaven?

I would rather deal with positive thinking philosophies... at least they get you somewhere and they belong to our time.

[Dok]

A very narrow minded view indeed.

Christianity can be really evil - think inquisition.

Think all these paedophiles within the catholic church at every level, money laundering from the Vatican, a Pope trying to protect paedophiles... and they are not only in the catholic church... these evil doers exist in other religions as well.

and those teachings saying you have to suffer and carry your cross to reach heaven?

I would rather deal with positive thinking philosophies... at least they get you somewhere and they belong to our time.

Well Catholics arent Christian. So ah, hows that narrow mindedness working out for ya?

[shipgeek]

Well Catholics arent Christian. So ah, hows that narrow mindedness working out for ya?

catholics are not christians?

what are they?
jews? muslims? buddhists? atheists?

isn't the catholic church about Jesus Christ?

 

[Dok]

catholics are not christians?

what are they?
jews? muslims? buddhists? atheists?

isn't the catholic church about Jesus Christ?

 

no.. Its about Mary and a works based system. Has absolutly nothing to do with Christ Jesus. sorry.

[shipgeek]

no.. Its about Mary and a works based system. Has absolutly nothing to do with Christ Jesus. sorry.

wasn't Jesus born from Mary? or was he born from some Hindu Goddess?

don't they have statues of Jesus in the catholic churches and worship him and re-enact the last supper with the apostles?

[Dok]

wasn't Jesus born from Mary? or was he born from some Hindu Goddess?

don't they have statues of Jesus in the catholic churches and worship him and re-enact the last supper with the apostles?

He was born of Mary. Ya they have statues of Jesus, which is against the Bible, and they also have statues of Mary that they pray to, and statues of saints that they pray. When you break down the Catholic faith its very similar to the hindu religion. They even stole the Hindus rosaries, which also isnt in the Bible.

[shipgeek]

regardless of statues, if they worship christ (the son of mary who died on the cross) how could they not be christians?

again what ere they? hindus? jews? muslims?

[lovkarpin]

catholics are not christians?

what are they?
jews? muslims? buddhists? atheists?

isn't the catholic church about Jesus Christ?

 

id suggest you look abit into this thread: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=19824.0
lots of pictures and fun stuffs to illustrate who Catholics truly pledge their allegiance to

[America2]

A very narrow minded view indeed.

Christianity can be really evil - think inquisition.

Think all these paedophiles within the catholic church at every level, money laundering from the Vatican, a Pope trying to protect paedophiles... and they are not only in the catholic church... these evil doers exist in other religions as well.

and those teachings saying you have to suffer and carry your cross to reach heaven?

I would rather deal with positive thinking philosophies... at least they get you somewhere and they belong to our time.

Do you even have any idea who the Vatican really is? No, they're not Christians.

[Dok]

regardless of statues, if they worship christ (the son of mary who died on the cross) how could they not be christians?

again what ere they? hindus? jews? muslims?

Hmmm, Solomon built the Lords Temple, he was the wisest man that ever lived, he also worshiiped God, but then hed go into the high places and sacrifice babies to idol gods. he didnt make it.

Just because people say the worship Jesus dosent always make it so.

Matt 7

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[Truth2042]

The vatican is a HUGE part of the NWO.. I don't think many people realize they are one of the top leaders.

[America2]

The vatican is a HUGE part of the NWO.. I don't think many people realize they are one of the top leaders.

Yep - they've done one heck of a job sending out Jesuit agents to masquerade as "ministers of righteousness".

Why today's "church" can't see this, I don't know why, but some are fairly obvious - for example (CFR agent)Rick Warren endorses alot of RCC pagan practices(and he praised Constantine's empire recently), but en yet, many Protestant and Baptist churches have warmed up to his Purpose Driven program. Dallas Willard and Richard Foster endorse contemplative prayer and other RCC pagan practices, but en yet, the Southern Baptist Convention warms up to them. And let's not forget Billy Graham, who's walked hand in hand with the Vatican all his years.

Just think Rev 17

[TheQ]

Basically if you are not a Christian you are going to hell? amiright guys?

[Lucian Solaris]

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Haha, moving the goal-posts aren't we?

I smell a "No real Scotsmen" fallacy...

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[America2]

Basically if you are not a Christian you are going to hell? amiright guys?

Rom 10:9  That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10  For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.



Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 3:17  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Joh 3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.